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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779437 times)

Floor

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #615 on: February 28, 2013, 07:53:35 PM »
First.
Please excuse my interruption into your conversation, if you will.
This is the first time I have logged into O.U.,  I am trying to get attention upon a new electropermanentmagnet motor /generator
design, and I  would very much like for you gentlemen to take a Quick look at the brief attached PDFs. I have filed a provisional patent in the U.S.. I want this design in the public domain !!!  If you think the design has merit, Please ! copy, publish, build, experiment with, use, or sell
the design, as far and wide as you can, and as quickly as you can. I think that it is possible that this innovation could push a conventional high efficiency  DC motor / generator over unity.  I
It is beyond my capacity to get the design out to very many people. I lack both the means and the technical skills to so.

Please view the attached files and if you think, I may right about this, please act swiftly.


Thank you for your time and consideration

              Floor
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #616 on: February 28, 2013, 08:34:23 PM »
Hello Floor and welcome :)

I can't understand why the device may be OU, could you provide us with a description of what you think is going on, what is the main concept ?


Thanks,

DC.


Floor

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #617 on: March 01, 2013, 03:56:43 AM »
A permanent magnet only motor would be a simple thing to design, if there were a way to rapidly turn permanent magnets on and off, without expending a lot of energy to do so. Electro permanent magnets are sometimes used in lifting cranes, now that we have very powerful "rare earth" magnets.  In these lifting cranes, an electromagnet is used in a magnetic polarity opposite to the permanent magnet, to neutralize the permanent magnet, (in effect, "turning the permanent magnet off"). This prevents the dropping of a pay load in the event of a power failure, and requires power only to release the payload. This however would use too much power to be effective in an electric motor. 

Similarly, an electromagnet can be combined with a permanent magnet to create a magnetic field which is stronger than either the electromagnet or the permanent magnet alone. The combination results in an electromagnet which has a magnetic field that is greater than the wattage input alone can produce.

In the design presented, by proximity, (the distance from the other component / elements),  the electro permanent magnets (E P M's)
are in effect"turned off" until the electromagnet elements are energized. When the electromagnet elements are energized, their magnetic
fields will have a percentage of the permanent magnets, magnetic fields added to them. 

If a conventional all electromagnet, DC motor or generator of a design, that was of say 91% efficiency, had also this type of E P M integrated into it's design, it would be O U if the E P M's  can contribute 10% to the efficiency. Can they?

          Thanks again for your time

                         Floor




 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #618 on: March 01, 2013, 11:00:10 AM »
OK that's made it clearer, thanks. I like the sound of it.

Have you built a prototype ?


DC.



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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #619 on: March 01, 2013, 04:41:33 PM »
@Floor,
 
Art Porter's Magnetic Amplification and Neutralization Generator does exactly that:
 
 
http://www.gap-power.com/

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Delayed Lenz Effect R.PM. threshold.
« Reply #620 on: March 01, 2013, 04:54:25 PM »
JLN'S new Lenz Delay replication experiment starts with 18 N-S stator magnets at 600 Hz. 18 times 600 equals 10,500. The diametric magnet stator Lenz delay threshold speed of around 25k divided by two yields approxametly the same amount! Those are the pole shifts the coil makes per second. At that speed, the magnet stator simply begins moving a tiny bit faster then the coil's pole shift rate and gets a push, with or without an output coil.
 
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm

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Re: Delayed Lenz Effect R.PM. threshold.
« Reply #621 on: March 01, 2013, 05:09:05 PM »
JLN'S new Lenz Delay replication experiment starts with 18 N-S stator magnets at 600 Hz. 18 times 600 equals 10,500. The diametric magnet stator Lenz delay threshold speed of around 25k divided by two yields approxametly the same amount! Those are the pole shifts the coil makes per second. At that speed, the magnet stator simply begins moving a tiny bit faster then the coil's pole shift rate and gets a push, with or without an output coil.
 
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm

Thanks for that synch, it's good to see Naudin taking this up :)

DC.

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Re: Delayed Lenz Effect R.PM. threshold.
« Reply #622 on: March 01, 2013, 11:42:22 PM »
Hi synchro1,

Thanks for the pictures and the link to the energetic forum, I read through it again. Unfortunately you had camera problems and my questions remained unanswered and albeit later you made even some videos, actual measurements did not turn out and later the thread went down on the topic and abandoned...

Would you mind telling when you find the current goes to zero Amps, how much current is still flowing, really zero or there is a few milliAmpers flowing which needed to maintain the +15k rpm?  After the many tests you did in that era what is your present understanding on the phenomena:  any chance to go higher than 1 in COP?  Do you need technical help perhaps?

Regarding Naudin's tests you mention below,  he has showed detailed input power measurements which is very good indeed but miraculously this time he did not show the corresponding output voltage and current values... ( http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE10en.htm )
IT is ok that he confirms the regeneration effect but from his demo it is not clear whether there is any benefit from it COP wise? Afterall, this is what we are interested in, are we not? 

rgds,  Gyula

JLN'S new Lenz Delay replication experiment starts with 18 N-S stator magnets at 600 Hz. 18 times 600 equals 10,500. The diametric magnet stator Lenz delay threshold speed of around 25k divided by two yields approxametly the same amount! Those are the pole shifts the coil makes per second. At that speed, the magnet stator simply begins moving a tiny bit faster then the coil's pole shift rate and gets a push, with or without an output coil.
 
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #623 on: March 02, 2013, 12:23:07 AM »
@Gyulasum,
 
I tried to self loop the gizmo and blew up a cap. I discovered that a seperate bifilar series wrapped pick up coil with two coupled diametric magnets back to back in the air core of a plastic Radio Shack magnet wire spool with a 1/2" core did the trick. This magnet core output coil caused the 3/8" magnet rotor to speed up while held errect over the axled spinner. Self looped, it charged the run battery vigorously. Definitly way O.U. I've been over this lots on the Romero thread, but I know of no one who has as yet replicated the results. The Lenz delay effect threshold drops dramaticly with coupled diametric magnets snug in the output coil core. Don't forget to tape the holes closed or they'll wind up stuck to the stator magnet.
 
                                    "THE OUTPUT COIL POLE SHIFTS HAVE TO FIGHT THE POWERFUL CORE FIELD."

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #624 on: March 02, 2013, 03:34:01 AM »
Yes so collection of back EMF will be absolutely necessary ?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #625 on: March 02, 2013, 04:07:33 AM »
A large 4" diametric magnet spinner with perhaps eight magnet core output coils could attach to an A.C. induction moter at the axel. The motor could run the spinner up to threshold speed, then after the output coils began to power the spinner, a shunt could turn the motor into a powerful A.C. alternator. All the coils and the alternator could tie into the same rectifier, and maybe charge a large D.C. battery bank. This would generate kilowatts of free energy!

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #626 on: March 02, 2013, 04:48:10 AM »
A large 4" diametric magnet spinner with perhaps eight magnet core output coils could attach to an A.C. induction moter at the axel. The motor could run the spinner up to threshold speed, then after the output coils began to power the spinner, a shunt could turn the motor into a powerful A.C. alternator. All the coils and the alternator could tie into the same rectifier, and maybe charge a large D.C. battery bank. This would generate kilowatts of free energy!


When you convert the motor into powerful AC alternator,  it (alternator) will produce powerful lenz's forces which inturn will slowdown your spinner.  Even if your spinner rotates at 50k,  it will not have enough torque to overcome strong lenz's forces.   Eventually your spinner will stop. 

Build the machine and see.   Then you will know the exact practical problems.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #627 on: March 02, 2013, 01:41:25 PM »

A large 4" diametric magnet spinner with perhaps eight magnet core output coils ....


When you use a large diametric magnet,  you may get powerful torque at the center of the magnet.   But I don't think you will be able to achieve OU in single stage.  You may have to do it  in several stages.
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #628 on: March 02, 2013, 03:32:53 PM »

When you use a large diametric magnet,  you may get powerful torque at the center of the magnet.   But I don't think you will be able to achieve OU in single stage.  You may have to do it  in several stages.

The alternator acts as a torque converter, and governor, like balls on a steam engine and has a hydrolic clutch. The spinner R.P.M. is controled by charging the alternator windings, to best run it in resonance.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #629 on: March 02, 2013, 04:15:14 PM »
Hi Synchro,

There is a patent that I thought was pretty clever, you might be able to try with your spinning magnet.

US8120225 - External split field generator
http://www.google.com/patents/US8120225

The patent shows how to use a spinning diametric or other magnet near the center of a coil to aid an already established flux path. I'm not sure how Lenz will effect the spinning magnet as it is 90 degrees to the coil and positioned at the coils bloch wall. Something to look into maybe.