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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779582 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #585 on: February 24, 2013, 07:21:04 PM »
I have a sneaking suspicion that Thane Heins is gone for good.  I just did some searching and I can't find anything new on the web.  He pulled his YouTube account so a lot of online articles link to dead videos now.

My pet theory is that when he linked up with that electric motorcycle company last year the field testing failed.  All of Thane's claims about extended range for the electric motorcycle did not come true with real world testing.  Perhaps it was the first time he had a chance to really test his alleged system with a real partner that had a real electric vehicle.  So perhaps Thane imploded after that.  After about a year there should have been some positive news coming out of that venture and there has been none.

The roots behind my sneaking suspicion go back to a few years ago when Poynt99 and myself and others debated with Thane about one of his clips showing a strangely wired transformer setup.  To my great surprise Thane was not demonstrating a mastery of the basic concepts about magnetic flux and magnetic circuits in relation to his setup.  It was a shocker.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #586 on: February 24, 2013, 10:36:27 PM »
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That is what i am aiming for, a coil that accelerates the rotor beyond its no-coil speed.
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I wish you the best of luck with that.
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #588 on: February 25, 2013, 12:30:33 AM »
I have a sneaking suspicion that Thane Heins is gone for good.  I just did some searching and I can't find anything new on the web.  He pulled his YouTube account so a lot of online articles link to dead videos now.
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MileHigh


Hi!
No, he is still active - see his new YT channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/PDiCanada1/
On SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/PDIResearch


The Heins Effect (the Delayed Lenz Effect) confirmed:
http://www.magistrala.cz/freeenergy/category/tv/channel/jean-louis-naudin/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/indexen.htm


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #589 on: February 25, 2013, 12:16:53 PM »
I don't think you looked very hard MH.

He has a new youtube channel and is still working with the EV guy.




I have a sneaking suspicion that Thane Heins is gone for good.  I just did some searching and I can't find anything new on the web.  He pulled his YouTube account so a lot of online articles link to dead videos now.

My pet theory is that when he linked up with that electric motorcycle company last year the field testing failed.  All of Thane's claims about extended range for the electric motorcycle did not come true with real world testing.  Perhaps it was the first time he had a chance to really test his alleged system with a real partner that had a real electric vehicle.  So perhaps Thane imploded after that.  After about a year there should have been some positive news coming out of that venture and there has been none.

The roots behind my sneaking suspicion go back to a few years ago when Poynt99 and myself and others debated with Thane about one of his clips showing a strangely wired transformer setup.  To my great surprise Thane was not demonstrating a mastery of the basic concepts about magnetic flux and magnetic circuits in relation to his setup.  It was a shocker.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #590 on: February 25, 2013, 06:39:29 PM »
I stand corrected about Thane Heins going off of YouTube.  But at this point my assumption is still that the deal he worked out with the electric motorcycle company is dead because his alleged technology did not prove itself to be valid when they did field trials.  It would seem to be the logical reason that the videos and the YouTube channel was pulled.  By the same token, the development cycle for something like this could easily take two years or more so who knows.

The "delayed Lenz effect" is another issue that I think is misunderstood by many experimenters.  Seeing a rotor speed up when you short a pick-up coil or whatever is not necessarily confirming that there is some kind of effect related to Lenz' Law or some kind of excess energy effect.  Also, I believe that J.L. Naudin has a history of doing experiments and then retracting his conclusions after the fact when more data becomes available.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #591 on: February 26, 2013, 11:38:33 PM »
I stand corrected about Thane Heins going off of YouTube.  But at this point my assumption is still that the deal he worked out with the electric motorcycle company is dead because his alleged technology did not prove itself to be valid when they did field trials.  It would seem to be the logical reason that the videos and the YouTube channel was pulled.  By the same token, the development cycle for something like this could easily take two years or more so who knows.

The "delayed Lenz effect" is another issue that I think is misunderstood by many experimenters.  Seeing a rotor speed up when you short a pick-up coil or whatever is not necessarily confirming that there is some kind of effect related to Lenz' Law or some kind of excess energy effect.  Also, I believe that J.L. Naudin has a history of doing experiments and then retracting his conclusions after the fact when more data becomes available.

MileHigh

Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #592 on: February 27, 2013, 12:23:55 AM »
Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

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I agree. And I think i said close to the same earlier. ;]

Another thing is, what causes the speedup? Is it that the freq of the rotor is at a point where the pulses of the rotor exceed a freq that cant pass through the coil as well as lower freq? cutoff freq. And if so, does that mean that the output is less at this time also? If so, there is no gain here.

But, if the coil is resonant at these freq 'and' near cutoff freq of the coil, then there may be delay and an upward climb in output in this range. Like as I perceive  Romero's motor accomplished.

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #593 on: February 27, 2013, 01:22:33 AM »
Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

Cheers

Yes that baseline test is the one i would like to see, i'm chasing it as you know and i hope it's not my tail ;+}

I think there is something else at play not just the rise time, there is odd behaviour at times.

If it were just the risetime then pushing the frequency would result in AUL bands and DUL bands ?

Also one thing these coils do, at certain frequencies, if you unshort them the rotor stays at the accelerated speed, what is happening there do you think ?


Cheers,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #594 on: February 27, 2013, 01:48:12 AM »
I wound a thread spool with a bifilar wrap, series wired, and powered a 1/2" diametric tube magnet on 1/4" ceramic bearings. The coil was wired in series to a Reed switch and a 12 volt 6 amp hour Radio Shack battery and an amp meter. I Laser tached the reflective tape marked magnet spinner. At 25k, a burst of speed developed that practically doubled the r.p.m's while the amp draw dropped to zero. I called this effect Lenz propulsion, and developed a theory. No output coil was present. What's this say about a baseline?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #595 on: February 27, 2013, 02:22:49 AM »
I wound a thread spool with a bifilar wrap, series wired, and powered a 1/2" diametric tube magnet on 1/4" ceramic bearings. The coil was wired in series to a Reed switch and a 12 volt 6 amp hour Radio Shack battery and an amp meter. I Laser tached the reflective tape marked magnet spinner. At 25k, a burst of speed developed that practically doubled the r.p.m's while the amp draw dropped to zero. I called this effect Lenz propulsion, and developed a theory. No output coil was present. What's this say about a baseline?

@ Synchro : at 25k rpm, the comparison between your setup and thanes is like comparing a rocket (yours) with a cessna airplane (Thanes). But that aside, your result is fascinating to say the least. However, it is possible that at that level of rpm, the rotor induced back emf into the drive coil may be causing a current phase shift within the drive coil (or interfering with the drive current) which in turn is masking (negating) the magnetic drag of the coil's core (assuming it has one!), thus allowing a marked increase in rpm, and decrease in drive current - but I must admit, I really don't know.

@ Deepcut - Continued high speed after unshorting the coil - that's another fascinating observation to which I also do not know the answer.

The best thing about your postings (DC) and Synchro - is that for the first time in a long time, I actually don't have a clue as to the cause of your results. I like mysteries in need of solving.

Cheers

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #596 on: February 27, 2013, 02:32:22 AM »
@Hoptoad,
 
             That's a good one, perhaps the best. Another is skipping, and a third, the coil's pole shift lags. I really have no idea either. Pirate Twinbeard has his own unique explanation as well.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #597 on: February 27, 2013, 03:51:43 AM »

              and a third, the coil's pole shift lags.


That should be  the main reason for this effect. Another is the speed characterics of motor which  depends on back emf  which in turn depends on the strength of the stator magnets.  I  think at last this research work has come on a right track after 38 pages of misguiding information.
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #598 on: February 27, 2013, 04:21:35 AM »
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Another thing is, what causes the speedup?
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You may find this explanation satisfactory (written in 2007) ...... then again you may not ! ..... LOL

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Go to Page 11 for an explanation of the speed up under load effect (AUL).

Cheers


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #599 on: February 27, 2013, 05:59:50 AM »
You may find this explanation satisfactory (written in 2007) ...... then again you may not ! ..... LOL

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Go to Page 11 for an explanation of the speed up under load effect (AUL).

Cheers


Hi hoptoad,
Since you are the author of this blog, i'm sure you have explored the AUL effect more than us Here,
Is there a posibility of overunity with this effect?


Regards
Cc