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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779585 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #525 on: May 05, 2012, 04:03:16 PM »
Ive put out this document a few times. This may be a cure for the resonant ills. ;]

In the first couple pages, variant 2, it is said that the output from the secondary does not kill the primary resonance.  ;]

Mags

Hi Mags,

thanks for you post.

I remember seeing this document some years back. I don't know if any of these techniques work?

If you know of any researcher who have built this please post a link.

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #526 on: May 05, 2012, 04:21:06 PM »
thanks Luc for the reply.

yes, introducing load will change the resonance balance. my idea is like this, what if we set the secondary to resonance at high voltage. As you can see, the secondary voltage increase slowly like energy collector. then we setup spark gap at secondary tuned  circuit to discharge the energy collected into capacitor.  Spark gap could transfer the energy fast enough to not change the resonance.

Hi juan_86,

sounds like a good idea!... have you built and tested it yet?

Please let us know

Thanks for sharing

Luc


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #527 on: May 05, 2012, 05:00:47 PM »
Here is the code for Falstad.com/circuit   simulator.

Click and release the switch at the top right to start the charge of the LC, which consists of the primary of a 1 to 1 transformer.
The spdt switch in the middle switches in and out the additional inductor on the loaded secondary.

You will see that when the inductor is added to the secondary in series with the load that the primary resonance is preserved and without the inductor it is dead.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #528 on: May 07, 2012, 05:33:01 AM »
Hi Mags,

I played with this circuit simulator last year and then built the circuit. The real results are not the same as the simulator. Its name is very close to false ;D

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #529 on: May 07, 2012, 05:47:05 AM »
Hi Mags,

I played with this circuit simulator last year and then built the circuit. The real results are not the same as the simulator. Its name is very close to false ;D

Luc
Hey Luc
Well I wasnt going for ou in the sim. Just showing an example of how to keep the primary resonating while taking from the secondary.

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #530 on: May 07, 2012, 06:16:59 AM »
I understand but chances are it won't work as this simulator shows

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #531 on: May 08, 2012, 01:32:23 AM »
You cant delay lenz in the real world. Thanes setup is clearly showing forward emf and yet he is careful to leave that conclusion up to the viewer rather than state it in any of the video's i have seen. Compare what he is doing to Adams, Bedini etc collecting the colapse and suddenly you can see what causes this. Whats also missing from thane is the numbers eg what the actual draw is relative to say speed on the scooter and what speed would be achievable on a standard motor on said scooter with the same draw, same can be said for the generator part of it. Just like a bedini setup it only looks good as a test bench device because the output from the colapsing flux field remains the same even though the draw increases to do any work. Thanes system isnt delaying lenz it is converting bemf to femf to add to the drive input rather than take from it.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #532 on: December 07, 2012, 02:06:58 AM »
Gotoluc, Gyula, Mags ?

I've been at this on and off and am getting good results with small transformers and loads, anyone else still doing this ?

Gotoluc isn't answering emails or youtube messages, anyone know what he's up to ?


Thanks,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #533 on: December 07, 2012, 03:44:02 AM »
Gotoluc, Gyula, Mags ?

I've been at this on and off and am getting good results with small transformers and loads, anyone else still doing this ?

Gotoluc isn't answering emails or youtube messages, anyone know what he's up to ?


Thanks,

DC.

Hey Deep

Been working on a sound system for this guy. 1974 Impala. He is nuts. 4 10s in each door, + 1 8 and 2 tweets. Trunk lid motorizes up and 10 8s, 4 tweets.
And theres more. 12000 watts, not including the 4 15s subs.   :o :o

I told ya he was nuts. ;]

Can ya show us what you got going? ;]

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #534 on: December 07, 2012, 04:23:40 AM »
There is beautiful. I would want one of those in Brazil. We would have a nice party!


Fausto.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #535 on: December 07, 2012, 05:05:16 AM »
There is beautiful. I would want one of those in Brazil. We would have a nice party!


Fausto.

Thanks   ;]

He will probably be deaf before most rock stars.  ;]

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #536 on: December 07, 2012, 06:36:58 AM »
snip...
Been working on a sound system for this guy. 1974 Impala. He is nuts.
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Mags

If you're talking about Impala amplifiers ? they were affectionately known in the hey day, as "the great impalers".

Brian Eno made his debut as a music producer in the early seventies, releasing new state of the art, hi fidelity "wall of sound" recordings of prominant 70's bands.

In the studio he listened to every post mixed session on headphones, blasted at max through his "impaler".

LOL

I wonder how his hearing is these days.!

Cheers ...... P.S. if you're talking about Impala - the car, ignore everything I've just said .... LOL
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 08:09:56 AM by hoptoad »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #537 on: December 07, 2012, 12:13:06 PM »
Hey Mags :)

Hey Toad :)

Can't believe those ten 8's in the back !

Excellent-looking job you're doing on them.

I've been a bit busy with other stuff (life !) so i have only been able to experiment off and on, so i haven't really gone much further. Just been trying to nail down the characteristics of acceleration under load (AUL from now on!).

I made a transformer version that performs better than the pulse-motor version. With the transformer i attach a load, say a light bulb, the bulb lights and the current draw to the transformer primary goes down a lot more than it did with the pulse motor.

This is a 12V/65mA bulb, and when i attach it the input power drops 60mA, while the bulb is drawing 65mA at full brightness.

We are lucky in that you get greater rewards from this effect the more power you put in. With increased input power your percentage return gets bigger !

I don't know if it has OU potential but it certainly saves a lot of energy, it's ideal for anything with an alternator and that runs on batteries.

Even as it stands, you could scale up the transformer a little and run a table light off it, but at 90%+ energy savings !

It's a crazy effect and i can't believe research on it seems to have gone quiet.


All the best,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #538 on: December 08, 2012, 02:57:30 AM »
Anyone know what's up with Luc ?

No reply to my emails or YT messages. No appearance on forums since May :(


DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #539 on: December 08, 2012, 03:25:24 AM »
snip...

I made a transformer version that performs better than the pulse-motor version. With the transformer i attach a load, say a light bulb, the bulb lights and the current draw to the transformer primary goes down a lot more than it did with the pulse motor.

This is a 12V/65mA bulb, and when i attach it the input power drops 60mA, while the bulb is drawing 65mA at full brightness.

We are lucky in that you get greater rewards from this effect the more power you put in. With increased input power your percentage return gets bigger !

snip...

Do you have a circuit diagram and list of components you could share ?