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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779575 times)


Offline DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #511 on: December 08, 2011, 02:50:09 PM »
I've been testing the new setup, with occasional pauses for sleep and food ;+}
 
 It seems that it generates more power than it uses but i will have to wait until i get a scope (new year).
 
 Here's a vid :
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDOOSOhbz0
 
 
 Thanks for reading,
 
 DC.
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #512 on: December 09, 2011, 07:55:38 PM »
I've been testing the new setup, with occasional pauses for sleep and food ;+}
 
 It seems that it generates more power than it uses but i will have to wait until i get a scope (new year).
 
 Here's a vid :
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDOOSOhbz0
 
 
 Thanks for reading,
 
 DC.

Excellent looking setup DC!

Does the coil Voltage output stay at 446vdc when you connect the Amp meter?

Thanks for sharing

Luc


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #513 on: December 09, 2011, 09:23:14 PM »
Thanks Luc :)

The voltage RISES due to the amp meter being a small load and the acceleration-under-load effect taking place !

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it shows that in the video but my voice is a bit mufled

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On Thane's advice i will try them connected in parallel, but i tried that with the old setup and got no AUL but we'll see.

As it is the effect only supports a very small range of loads.

I'm having trouble measuring voltage and current at the same time, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, on one occasion i got a shock from one wire only which surprised me.

I'm testing smaller coils as well, 50 grammes rather than 500 grammes of copper. The effect is much better with the 50g coils for some reason.

Cheers,

DC.




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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #514 on: December 10, 2011, 10:59:53 AM »
hello

have you guys tried to put inductor in series with load ? it also changes the cos(phi) by 90 degrease!

something similar to stanley meyer circiut but just one inductor??

oh maybe stans work was based on phase change so the primary side of transformer didnt see the load? so he could make hydrogen by regular electrolysis but transformer didnt see the amp draw? he used few khz so xl=2(pi)f*L the bigger the (f) frequency the bigger the phase shift!!

well we cant get very high L without high wire resistance because L=uN^2A/l so many turn are needed (or high (u) core ) the resistance is problematic, only one figure which is frequency is left to play !

so we can get cos (phi) with the formula

(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/946/cosphi.jpg)


so if we do hi L hi R  or low L low R it really doesnt mater whats mater is the frequency!!

you can put figures to formula for diferent coils and you see that only figure you can play is FREQUENCY!!!

you can find some more calculation here
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/rlimp.html#c1
cheers from poland
wojsciech
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 02:25:56 PM by wojwrobel »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #515 on: December 11, 2011, 06:04:41 PM »
hello

and once again mr Tesla did it first !!! pat 512,340 COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS

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I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.  It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.  In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spires is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.
 In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil considering - the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.
 I have illustrated diagrammatically in the accompanying drawings the general nature of the plan which I adopt for carrying out this invention.
 Figure 1 is a diagram of a coil wound in the ordinary manner.
Figure 2 is a diagram of a winding designed to secure the objects of my invention.  Let A, Figure 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which are wound upon and insulated from each other.  Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; then considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them a potential difference of one-tenth of a volt.
 
 If now, as shown in Figure 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference,
 the energy stored in the coil as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great.
 
 Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed.  Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased.
 Coils composed of independent strands or conductors wound side by side and connected in series are not in themselves new, and I do not regard a more detailed description of the same as necessary.  But heretofore, so far as I am aware, the objects in view have been essentially different from mine, and the results which I obtain even if an incident to such forms of winding have not been appreciated or taken advantage of.
 In carrying out my invention it is to be observed that certain facts are well understood by those skilled in the art, viz: the relations of capacity, self-induction, and the frequency and potential difference of the current. What capacity, therefore, in any given case it is desirable to obtain and what special winding will secure it, are readily determinable from the other factors which are known.
 What I claim as my invention is: A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as herein before described.
A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.
 NIKOLA TESLA  Witnesses: Robt. F. Gaylord
Parker W. Page
 

so what he means is we can wind coil bifilar connect in series we can multiply inductance (energy stored) of our coil by 250,000 !!! or squere voltage diference between wires!
thats very intresting!!

so then we can reduce frequency or eliminate the core which is not perfect anyway!!!

what you guys think

cheers from poland
wojsciech

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #516 on: December 11, 2011, 09:46:37 PM »
Is to say that the enormous power stored, is taken from the source?

Ive read it before, but thanks for posting it.  ;]

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #517 on: December 12, 2011, 07:12:20 AM »
well not really, from the source!

source see this power in real time P=U*I*cos(phi) where cos(phi)=>0 degrease which is 1 so it have time to react with lenz effect, but we need this momentearli power storage for phase shift so our source would not see the the consumed power (or will not have time to response with more energy consumption) which is also P=U*I*cos(phi) where cos(phi)=>90 degrease which is 0

so basicaly by delaying current on generators coil we can avoid lenz effect, magnet passes and just after we consume the power stored between wires...

cheers from poland
wojsciech 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #518 on: January 23, 2012, 03:21:07 PM »
The magnetic and electric fields of a coil or magnet


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #519 on: March 07, 2012, 02:06:52 PM »
Hello Everyone,

The coils employed in this prototype are 4.5 ohms, 16 gauge bi-filar wound series connected with M1 core laminations and create acceleration at 1800 RPM with a 10 ohm light bulb. Each coil can produce 50 Watts or more and the magnets are 90 lb pulling weight. They create so much torque and acceleration that two set screws on each rotor were not enough to keep them secured to the drive shaft and they had to be returned to the machinist to have key-ways installed. Even now the air gap on each side is about 1/2 an inch. When properly balanced with three rotors and offset cores the cogging torque is virtually zero and the core "cost" was very low - which is reduced as speed increases anyway and is NOT an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins?feature=mhee#p/u/4/u3gVfltiO-E

I will post the test data when I find it to end this discussion (which is a waste of time BTW) because all generators have coils and cores with some hysterisis losses inherent in them but not all generators accelerate when a load is applied which is the REAL issue.

Cheers
Thane
Hi Thane,
I am confused about the size of the coil referred to in this message.
I had a look at the link you provided and took a still image of the side view of the generator.
Assuming the magnet dia is about 25mm, The stators look to be about 12mm thick and the spacing between the stators around 71mm.
Allowing for the coil bobbin end thickness, this give about a 67mm winding length. The coil diameter looks to be about 60mm.
Now the coil is bifilar series connected, so I assume the 4.5 ohms is the total resistance for the two coils in series.
4.5 ohms of 16AWG is about 341m, so in the winding space there would have to be about 1596T, 50T per layer and 32 layers.
The problem with this is that results in a coil diameter of about 112mm, assuming a 27mm diameter former over the core.
Even though these are just rough estimates, the coil diameter is grossly different to what I would expect for a 16AWG 4.5ohm coil.
Could you put me straight here?
Thanks
Barry
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #520 on: May 04, 2012, 07:41:39 AM »
i have been studying Delayed lenz effect and it is interesting.. i just wondering that if what we looking for is phase shift between primary current and secondary current, why not tuned primary and secondary to resonance. At resonance the primary current 45 degree out phase with each other. Simulation in attachment

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #521 on: May 04, 2012, 04:13:28 PM »
Hi juan_86,

thanks for your post.

You are right! at Resonance Voltage and Current are 90 degrees out of phase. However, as soon as you try to pull some power out of the circuit everything changes. That is my experience anyways.

The one who can find a way to extract energy form a Resonant circuit without affecting it will have achieved a great thing

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #522 on: May 05, 2012, 01:31:46 AM »
Hi juan_86,

thanks for your post.

You are right! at Resonance Voltage and Current are 90 degrees out of phase. However, as soon as you try to pull some power out of the circuit everything changes. That is my experience anyways.

The one who can find a way to extract energy form a Resonant circuit without affecting it will have achieved a great thing

Luc

Ive put out this document a few times. This may be a cure for the resonant ills. ;]

In the first couple pages, variant 2, it is said that the output from the secondary does not kill the primary resonance.  ;]

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #523 on: May 05, 2012, 02:48:27 AM »
Hi Dave45, It is really important when posting info to make sure it is correct and while reversing your drawings would create the correct opposite scenario it requires that the drawing be correct in the first place. Others are going to see this and assume it is correct and go off using it to formulate thier ideas and projects. Your top drawings are wrong in the spin direction through the coils in that you have clearly defined a coil that has equal and opposing fields at each end and at the bottom your drawing shows a horrizontal alignment which is actually only correct when applied vertically to the left and right pair. I tried to quote your post here but it wouldnt work and im about to try and add a picture here that i have never done before to show what i am talking about here.
Garry

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #524 on: May 05, 2012, 05:07:58 AM »
thanks Luc for the reply.

yes, introducing load will change the resonance balance. my idea is like this, what if we set the secondary to resonance at high voltage. As you can see, the secondary voltage increase slowly like energy collector. then we setup spark gap at secondary tuned  circuit to discharge the energy collected into capacitor.  Spark gap could transfer the energy fast enough to not change the resonance.