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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779639 times)

Offline CRANKYpants

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #375 on: October 21, 2011, 03:19:53 PM »
Bravo also for your test. Yes it is really fantastic and somehow disturbing  :o to feel the effect in our's hands.

YOU ARE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF FREAKIN' INTERNATIONAL LAW BREAKERS  8)

T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #376 on: October 21, 2011, 03:53:52 PM »
OK i stabilised the test-bed.

I put two wooden blocks (yes it's all very high-tech !) under the base-plate to stop it flexing when the coil is placed there.

I also cut a new shaft (carbon rod) that is longer, so there is more room between base-plate and top-plate and the coil isn't squeezing up the top-plate.

I seem to have lost a few tens of Hz though, top speed has dropped to 412 Hz. Maybe that happens with a longer shaft, i don't know anything of mechanical engineering.

It's interesting that you get the best speed from the magnet when it's center is above the drive coil center. Is the magnetic field strong at the 'curve-out' than it is at TDC of a coil ?

So the results aren't as dramatic, but the effect is still there, the coil still 'over-speeds' the rotor.

All previous tests have shown that the higher the impedance, the stronger the effect so i will buy a kilo of wire for the next test.

I stuck a voltmeter on the gen-coil and it read 272 VAC, i haven't bothered measuring current since this gauge of wire won't be used for getting power out, but it's probably micro-amps rather than milli.

I'm going to test the addition of a capacitor now.


** EDIT ADD **

Oops, forgot results !

First stable test-bed test, 21/10/2011.

No coil/core present.

Hz   : 412
mA   : 411

Coil/core present, open-circuit.

Hz   : 400
mA   : 415

Coil/core present, short-circuit.

Hz   : 414
mA   : 409

10 Ohm load resistor.

Hz   : 422
mA   : 404

30 Ohm load resistor.

Hz   : 420
mA   : 405

100 Ohms load resistor.

Hz   : 420
mA   : 405


Onward And Upward :)

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #377 on: October 21, 2011, 06:13:10 PM »
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Offline DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #378 on: October 21, 2011, 06:15:16 PM »
Tested the effect through a stepdown AC-AC transformer then rectifier, got speedup but no overspeed.

One thing i don't understand is, i am measuring no current at all.

I have one meter setup to read voltage, with a 10 ohm resistor between it and the gen coil.

Another meter for reading current, is clipped to either leg of the resistor.

Am i doing something wrong with the power measuring ?


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DC.



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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #379 on: October 21, 2011, 06:15:52 PM »
I just did 2 test runs. At first I couldn't replicate the speed up from my previous setup at 950Hz. I started thinking what changes did I make. And it became clear. The core length in front of the coil has shortened! I readjusted my coils a little to the back and Bingo! The effect came back, starting from around 800 Hz. So the Lenz delay has got much to do with that sticking out piece of the core for the most part, I think. At least in my case.

Look at WoopyJump's latest vid how far to the back his coil is...

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #380 on: October 21, 2011, 06:16:26 PM »
Nice one keyho. The position of the core will change the inductance of the coil to a certain extent.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #381 on: October 21, 2011, 09:26:21 PM »
Good book on transformer engineering, lots of explanations, doesn't just rely on maths alone and includes phase-shifting transformers :

http://www.mediafire.com/?6ikmb55t92wixr8


Best to all,

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #382 on: October 22, 2011, 02:41:52 PM »
"Until one is committed, there is hesitancy,the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never have otherwise occurred. A whole... stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man can have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now." ~ Goethe

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #383 on: October 23, 2011, 01:59:48 AM »
Boss
Truer words have rarely been put to print !!
Thank you for sharing this inspiration!!

Chet
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I'll be posting this in the mens room over the Urinal!!

"Until one is committed, there is hesitancy,the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never have otherwise occurred. A whole... stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man can have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now." ~ Goethe

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #384 on: October 23, 2011, 05:10:01 PM »
Hi all

@Kehio very nice job bravo. Hope to get more results soon.

OK today i decided to make a second serie of test.

First i doublestacked  the magnets on the rotor to get more flux

Second i changed the prime mover motor for a stronger one

third i made the measurement through a FWBR and a 1 ohm resistor ( see the pix and the shematic at the bottom of the result pix.)

So  in this new setup the threshold seems to be at around 865 rpm.

Under this speed the rotor begin slowly to slow down and goes down to very low rpm (about 230 ) and during the deceleration the current increase from 470 ma up to 570 ma.

But above the threshold the rotor accelerates.

So i made the test at 6 than 7 up to 11 volts dc on the prime mover.

And as you can see on the result sheet , the acceleration is much stronger at 10 volts than at 6 volts.

It is a pitty because at 2600 rpm i heard the bad "CLAACKK" followed by a special woble , which indicate me to immediately stop the test before beeing tranperced by some furious ejected magnets  Youp!! :-[

But i wonder what would happen if i could go much faster. I mean when we go higher above the threshold , the acceleration is even stronger.

(at 6 volt, i  can only accelerate from 950 rpm up to 1087 rpm that is an increase of 137 rpm,  but at 10 volts i go from 1197 up to 2438 rpm that is an increase of 441 rpm

What would the rpm  increase be at 20 volt ?? ::)

Of course in this test i did not take account of the increasing output of electrical energy from the coil. But i can  spin  the same DC motor as the prime mover  (slowly ) with a propeller.

I will re-re-watch the Thane's video to try to pick up some more explanation of this phenomen. And improve my test bench.

ok for today

good luck at all

Laurent
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 06:14:17 PM by woopy »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #385 on: October 23, 2011, 06:57:02 PM »
Great work.  ;)

I think it would much safer if you would move the magnets to the inside of the plastic ring.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #386 on: October 23, 2011, 10:06:10 PM »
Great work.  ;)

I think it would much safer if you would move the magnets to the inside of the plastic ring.

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY  ;) AND DRILL A HOLE IN YOUR DISK (THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR CORE) SO YOU CAN MOUNT YOUR COIL IN THE SAME PLACE AT THE EXTERIOR.

YOU ALSO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE (I THINK) TO DOUBLE YOUR FREQUENCY (AND INDUCED COIL VOLTAGE) BY DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF POLES (INSIDE YOUR DRUM).

IF YOU ARE REALLY CRAFTY AND ENERGETIC - YOU CAN EVEN MAKE A CORE SPOKE PATTERN AND PLACE IT INSIDE THE DRUM WITH CORES ON EACH SPOKE.

YOU WILL HAVE TO MATCH UP A NORTH POLE SPOKE WITH A SOUTH POLE SPOKE ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT YOUR FLUX TRANSFER THROUGH YOUR CORE WILL BE HIGHER SO YOUR INDUCED EMF WILL ALSO BE HIGHER... WHICH WILL IMPROVE OVERALL PERFORMANCE SIGNIFICANTLY . 8)

IF YOU ARE EVEN MORE CRAFTY YOU CAN START THE ROTOR WITH THE STATOR REMOVED AND GRADUALLY INSERT IT INTO THE ROTOR THUS MECHANICALLY VARYING THE LOADED GENERATOR SPEED.  :P

CHEERS
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #387 on: October 24, 2011, 03:11:37 AM »
i am not sure if this correct,
but something i have noticed.

kapanadze device may have something shared with this device.

in both videos they call it cold electricity they tune the current to be cut off at top of sine wave. because they say because of phase shift of the current starts to flow only after voltage begins to be high enough.
so they don't let the voltage flow.
but the not flowing voltage can charge a capacitor.
as i grasped from http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/index.htm (there is overmore explanation in mit lectures near bottom about this cold electricity)

in this device you also tune the frequency so the phase shift will be most effective.

so that's the idea of similarity i have noticed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9UKBEEKx4w
@23min-25min
and
kapanadze explanation 1(russian)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj5KX7_JHXo
@20min-~22min

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #388 on: October 24, 2011, 05:55:34 PM »
Hi everyone,

just a quick update of how one could use an off the self Transformer with a small Capacitance in Series to create a Delayed Lenz Effect or Phase Shift.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtZh5bStD8

The Troid used in the video demo has a 0.3 Ohm DC Resistance on each coil and they are 35mH each

The Series Capacitance is 24uf

Shunt Resistor is 1 Ohm and load is 10 Ohms

Power out is 10.8 Watts

Power in is Reactive 0 Watts

Luc


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #389 on: October 24, 2011, 07:40:40 PM »
Fantastic. ;)

Some wiki:

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The portion of power due to stored energy, which returns to the source in each cycle, is known as reactive power.

If the loads are purely reactive, then the voltage and current are 90 degrees out of phase. For half of each cycle, the product of voltage and current is positive, but on the other half of the cycle, the product is negative, indicating that on average, exactly as much energy flows toward the load as flows back. There is no net energy flow over one cycle. In this case, only reactive energy flows—there is no net transfer of energy to the load.

In your case there is obvious transfer of energy to the load so congratulations. ;)

But I think you should not stop here. Because if everyone would use reactive power then el. energy companies would start sending bills for reactive power.

If when using reactive power the energy flows toward the load and back, then there must be a way to make self or almost self sustaining circuit which will still deliver (create?) energy for load. Perhaps some sort of LC tank in resonance?

Keep up the good work. ;)