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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779631 times)

Offline CRANKYpants

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #330 on: October 18, 2011, 01:01:47 PM »
However the output starts to drop
Luc

HEY LUC,

THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT... SINCE THE SECONDARY INDUCED BEMF FLUX IS INCREASING THE PRIMARY IMPEDANCE INSTEAD OF DECREASING IT AS PER A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER.

YOU CAN SEE THAT YOUR PRIMARY CURRENT HAS DECREASED ALSO.
PRIMARY CURRENT MAGNITUDE DETERMINES SECONDARY VOLTAGE SO IF IT DROPS LOAD POWER DROPS AS WELL.

CHEERS
T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #331 on: October 18, 2011, 01:08:36 PM »
Here are the new Scope Shots with the GTL 90 Transformer connected to 120vac 60Hz Grid Power

Power in Reactive = 0 Watts

Power out = 0.74 Watts

Please note that I changed the Shunt Resistor to 1 Ohm since Input Voltage is much higher then the Singal Generator Output was.

First Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power no Load (phase check)
Second Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power & 10 Ohms Load (phase check)
Third Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power & 10 Ohms Load (complete view & data)

One interesting thing about this Transformer is when I connect the 10 Ohm load to the Secondary there is Zero effect to the Primary Phase degree. You can see that between the first scope shot (no load) and the second scope shot (10 ohm load).

Please post your comments

Luc

Hi Folks,

From Luc's scope shots it is seen the voltage drop across his 1 Ohm shunt resistor is 110mV.  It is ok that this 110 milliAmper is a reactive current because the input voltage leads 90° wrt the input current but it SHOULD be supplied from the mains to maintain the induction in his GTL90 transformer.

So what is the advantage with this or similar setups I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

PS Luc, would like to invite you (and anyone else) for this sightseeing here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkPLfOjCW0   
(music by Johann Strauss: Blue Danube Waltz)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 01:39:20 PM by gyulasun »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #332 on: October 18, 2011, 01:29:24 PM »

So what is the advantage with this or similar setups I wonder.
Thanks, Gyula

IF LUC'S DATA IS CORRECT IT MEANS THAT HE CAN CHARGE HIS CELLPHONE OR EV USING ONLY REACTIVE (BORROWED) POWER, REACTIVE CURRENT USED ON ONE HALF OF THE SINEWAVE AND RETURNED ON THE OTHER... NET CONSUMPTION = 0.0 WATTS (EXCEPT FOR SOME SMALL DC HEAT DISSIPATION see http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/tracir.html#c4 in this case 50 Watts instead of 2600 Watts).

REACTIVE CURRENT PROVES THAT GOD EXISTS BECAUSE WHO ELSE BUT A BEING OF INFINITE LOVE WOULD CREATE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN USE (ANY AMOUNT OF) AND NEVER PUT A DENT IN THE ORIGINAL SUPPLY? WOW NOW THAT'S A MIRACLE BABY!  :D

AND EVERYONE ON THE GRID CAN DO THE SAME SHARING AND WE CAN ALL GET DOWN TO THE BUSINESS OF ENDING THESE BOAT RIDES.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 02:37:17 PM by CRANKYpants »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #333 on: October 18, 2011, 03:30:42 PM »
Especially for GotoLuc:

 (good work on the GTL 90 Transformer BTW)

Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31i8kvkJoWY
Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CePs4Dde7ck&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

And Luc I want you to know that I am also feeling myself "MAD LIKE TESLA" !
BTW what is in the book?

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

Thanks Overunityguide for the videos. Did you shoot them yourself?

So I guess you live in Amsterdam?... I have been there to visit for a day when my sister was living in Belgium. Very nice and diversified city. So much to see. We did not get the chance to do a canal boat tour. I like all the floating homes. Great stuff

Thanks for sharing

Luc

@Wings, thanks for the link on the book.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #334 on: October 18, 2011, 03:49:18 PM »
Hi Folks,

From Luc's scope shots it is seen the voltage drop across his 1 Ohm shunt resistor is 110mV.  It is ok that this 110 milliAmper is a reactive current because the input voltage leads 90° wrt the input current but it SHOULD be supplied from the mains to maintain the induction in his GTL90 transformer.

So what is the advantage with this or similar setups I wonder.

Thanks, Gyula

PS Luc, would like to invite you (and anyone else) for this sightseeing here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkPLfOjCW0   
(music by Johann Strauss: Blue Danube Waltz)

Hi Gyula

I don't fully understand the advantage of a Transformer having these characteristics!... this is all new to me. I just learned yesterday how to correctly calculate AC Power ;D

So, that will be my next investigation project. How to use this in a practical application.
I will post what I find as usual.

So you live in Budapest , Hungary?... looks very beautiful at night from the water. I wonder if they could use some Reactive Transformers to Power all those lights. ;D
A few years back I went to Tychy, Poland to do some volunteer construction work of a new youth center. I wish I would of known you then and how close I was to see Budapest.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

PS did you shoot the video yourself?... if you did! great job ;)

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #335 on: October 18, 2011, 06:33:37 PM »
Hi Luc,

My "problem"  with such transformers is that you have to give input power continuously and although it sounds good the transformer gives it back (albeit with some loss) in the other half sine wave as Thane wrote but the bottom line is that input power should be created first and if millions of people would start using many kilo or Megawatts of reactive power from the mains, the utility providers surely would find out how to handle the situation and continue charging for electricity accordingly. It is hard to believe they would cooperate with the consumers...
Nevertheless, it is always good to learn from hands on tests.

Gyula

PS  No I did not shoot the video.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #336 on: October 18, 2011, 09:05:27 PM »
Hi Luc,

My "problem"  with such transformers is that you have to give input power continuously and although it sounds good the transformer gives it back (albeit with some loss) in the other half sine wave as Thane wrote but the bottom line is that input power should be created first and if millions of people would start using many kilo or Megawatts of reactive power from the mains, the utility providers surely would find out how to handle the situation and continue charging for electricity accordingly. It is hard to believe they would cooperate with the consumers...
Nevertheless, it is always good to learn from hands on tests.

Gyula

PS  No I did not shoot the video.

this can be a solution?

Use of electrical power multiplication for power smoothing in power distribution James F. Corum

http://www.google.com/patents?id=kqiYAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/8622d1311265352-resonance-properties-rotating-ring-circuits-ring-circuits.pdf

Tesla everywhere

http://books.google.ch/books?id=ZNqo1zaZRTYC&lpg=PA215&ots=ZJXOJknmUP&dq=%22Resonance%20Properties%20of%20Ring%20Circuits%22&hl=it&pg=PA202#v=onepage&q=%22Resonance%20Properties%20of%20Ring%20Circuits%22&f=false

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #337 on: October 19, 2011, 12:45:02 PM »
DEAR OUG,

I HAVE ANOTHER JOB FOR YOU FOR WHEN YOU GET BACK FROM YOUR BUSINESS TRIP THIS SATURDAY.  :-*

MAKE A BI-FILAR SERIES CONNECTED SECONDARY COIL FOR YOUR ORIGINAL LENZ DELAY TRANSFORMER SO YOU CAN SHOW HOW THE BI-FILAR WOUND COIL DIFFERS FROM THE HIGH IMPEDANCE SINGLE WIRE WOUND COIL.

CHEERS
T

Dear Thane,

This is exactly what I have done last week, and I have played several days with it by now. My bifilar series connected coil has two windings both of about 3 Ohms each. And I have used this coil as a secondary transformer coil just like in my first transformer video about the Delayed Lenz Effect inside a transformer.

For now my conclusions are: That when I run the setup on 950 Hz that for the bifilar series connected secondary transformer coil I am getting the same effect with my LED light bulb load, just as in my high impedance secondary coil transformer experiment. 0.2 Watts input power drop going to the primary coil.
But for now, because my bifilar series connected secondary coil has got two windings of low DC resistance, I had decided to load them with a 5 Watts 12V incandescent car light bulb. (also on 950Hz) So after doing this I came to the conclusion that my input voltage going to the primary had to be higher, so this is what I did. And after increasing the input voltage going to the primary coil I saw the following effect taking place:

After connecting the load to the bifilar series connected secondary coil, the input power going to my primary coil went up by 4 Watts, and there was going about 3.2 Watts to the 12v car light bulb in this scenario. So 80% efficient by now, was the best I could squeeze out of it.

HEY LUC,

YOU HAVE A RESONANT CIRCUIT THERE...  ;)
I STILL WONDER IF THIS (AND OVERUNITYGUIDE'S) TRANSFORMER DELAYED LENZ IS ACTUALLY A CORE HYSTERISIS DELAYED EFFECT OR A BIT OF BOTH?

CHEERS
T

To continue with the above, I now am thinking also that the Lenz Delay has to do something with the "CORE HYSTERISIS DELAYED EFFECT" which you are describing above, rather then that it has to do something with input or output coils of the transformer... So for now I do think that building a proper core which can be saturated above a certain level can be the key to further enhance the Delayed Lenz Effect.

Thane I think that you are aware of the Gabriel Device? Which can be viewed in the following thread:

Gabriel Device, possible COP=8: (Operation: Thane Heins effect based device)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10518.0

Furthermore, I do think that the following Tesla patent can be very helpful when trying to do further experimentation in this Delayed Lenz Effect field:
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-433,702-electrical-transformer

Ok, I think that was all for today,

Wishing you all the Best and With Kind Regards, Overunityguide
« Last Edit: October 19, 2011, 02:09:20 PM by Overunityguide »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #338 on: October 19, 2011, 02:58:57 PM »
Hello,

Lenz-Delay ?
Here we go: http://www.intalek.com/Papers/zaev1.pdf

Regards

Katgor01

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #339 on: October 19, 2011, 03:59:41 PM »
Just a small update.

Yesterday i tested a bifilar-wound, serially connected coil, the same 0.25mm coil i previously had as straight-wound, the performance increases in terms of a rise in frequency and a drop in current draw are on the order of four times better than a straight-wound coil.

Here's a short clip of the new coil in action. I plan to get a cheap HD camera soon, apologies for fuzziness and mesy desk ;+}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8DEYX-e6_Q


Best to all,

DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #340 on: October 19, 2011, 04:08:25 PM »
To continue with the above, I now am thinking also that the Lenz Delay has to do something with the "CORE HYSTERISIS DELAYED EFFECT" which you are describing above, rather then that it has to do something with input or output coils of the transformer... So for now I do think that building a proper core which can be saturated above a certain level can be the key to further enhance the Delayed Lenz Effect.

Hi Overunityguide,

I also believe the Delayed Lenz effect has to do with the core.
Thanks for sharing your new tests results

Furthermore, I do think that the following Tesla patent can be very helpful when trying to do further experimentation in this Delayed Lenz Effect field:
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-433,702-electrical-transformer

You may also want to look at this Tesla Patent which is 4 years later then the one above.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=uwhBAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #341 on: October 19, 2011, 06:00:40 PM »
Agreed with Luc on core material.

I am running my device at ~400 Hz.

I have tried ferrite, with poor, if any, acceleration under load or even short-circuit.

Bright, mild steel was OK, the effect was there.

My best results so far are from the loose bolts contained in masonry anchor shields, i'm unsure of their material composition but i cut into one and it looks like steel but could be an alloy.

The seller of the bolts doesn't have a clue what they are made from and seems to think i'm rather odd in asking ;+}

I just tried a bifilar/series coil with two conductors of different size, hoping that the difference in potential between them may enhance the effect, but it degrades it, the effect is still there but suffers by 30% in rotor frequency and 12% in currrent draw.


Best to all,

DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #342 on: October 19, 2011, 08:08:28 PM »
My laminations arrived today.

The performance was not as good as my loose anchor bolts !

Results in spreadsheet here :

http://www.mediafire.com/?zh6s7dwt21wx53h

If you don't have excel installed then get the viewer here :

http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=10


Best to all,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #343 on: October 20, 2011, 01:25:53 AM »
Hi Overunityguide,

I also believe the Delayed Lenz effect has to do with the core.
Thanks for sharing

Luc

YOU ARE ALL ON CRACK...! 
IT'S NOT DELAYED LENZ AT ALL IT'S DIVERTED LENZ 8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu0MDMDChSg  8)
JUST KIDDING A BIT OF BOTH IS REQUIRED ;)

CHEERS
T


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #344 on: October 20, 2011, 03:26:52 AM »
Deep cut
RE: anchor bolts and support sleeves.
Grade 5 material unless its Xtra high strength application [85 ->100,000. psi material]
There should be an AISI spec or an ASTM spec on the product for reference.

Chet