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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 780198 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1095 on: April 20, 2013, 01:11:51 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGiEQecEsQ

Skycollection ( http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection ) has published the new video above.

Again he does not do any conclusive input and output measurements. Very strange, because that would be a straight forward thing to do.

Greetings, Conrad

Well something is weird. The big battery to the right seems to be connected to the cap and the meter is measuring the battery? The battery starts off at 11.1v. That is completely discharged, as  far as  useful charge as it was intended.

That is the reason it can be taken to 29v.  ;) And then it even stays near 20v after the gen motor is stopped. That tells me the battery is in terrible shape and the cap is "trying to hold' the charge but it is leaked into the battery, and the battery doesnt seem to want much of it as slowly as the voltage is dropping, or the cap/battery voltage would have dropped down to at least something over 11.1v pretty quickly. ;)

Its a shame that some show so much but it all remains a mystery. ;)

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1096 on: April 20, 2013, 01:38:57 AM »


Its a shame that some show so much but it all remains a mystery. ;)

Mags

Until someone who understands these things figures it out.  ;D

Other than the battery being toast(looks new though) that cap may look large, but knowing those types, and what range of capacitance they are, I dont see anything very exciting about the level of charge happening. The Voltage would be more if the dead battery were not in the circuit. ;)

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1097 on: April 20, 2013, 05:45:15 AM »
Well something is weird. The big battery to the right seems to be connected to the cap and the meter is measuring the battery? The battery starts off at 11.1v. That is completely discharged, as  far as  useful charge as it was intended.

That is the reason it can be taken to 29v.  ;) And then it even stays near 20v after the gen motor is stopped. That tells me the battery is in terrible shape and the cap is "trying to hold' the charge but it is leaked into the battery, and the battery doesnt seem to want much of it as slowly as the voltage is dropping, or the cap/battery voltage would have dropped down to at least something over 11.1v pretty quickly. ;)

Its a shame that some show so much but it all remains a mystery. ;)

Mags

Yeah I agree Mags, the battery is badly sulfated or damaged and if he does not mention that in the video he is either very uninformed of being deceptive.
I also seen nothing in the video to indicate and miraculous charge rate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGiEQecEsQ

Looks to me like he is a neat experimenter, but doesn't understand what he is doing/seeing or he is deceptive/misleading.

Basically I would not watch any more video's without being very very skeptical.

If he wants people to not question him he should not make video's.

The result we see in the video is perfectly normal behavior for a badly sulfated battery fed energy from a coil discharge. That is the effect the video shows.

The cap is probably there because without it being there the voltage generated at his drain or collector pins would destroy them
due to the battery not being able to take on the energy quick enough. As many of us know quite well. We've seen the same effect.
That is why neons are used between the collector and emitter  pins on desufator circuits, because if the battery is too badly sulfated
the developed voltage will usually damage the transistors. Adding a large capacitor across the charge battery is common practice for
when a battery is so sulfated the safety neons fire continuously.

Haven't we moved past pulse motors and sulfated battery effects ?

I'm not attacking him either just making observations.

Cheers

P.S. Isn't this getting way off topic. It has as much to do with "Delayed Lenz Effect". It's a pulse motor trying to charge a badly sulfated battery.

What exactly was he claiming for the video ? I don't see any "new" inductors.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1098 on: April 20, 2013, 06:37:08 AM »
Yeah I agree Mags, the battery is badly sulfated or damaged and if he does not mention that in the video he is either very uninformed of being deceptive.
I also seen nothing in the video to indicate and miraculous charge rate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGiEQecEsQ

Looks to me like he is a neat experimenter, but doesn't understand what he is doing/seeing or he is deceptive/misleading.

Basically I would not watch any more video's without being very very skeptical.

If he wants people to not question him he should not make video's.

The result we see in the video is perfectly normal behavior for a badly sulfated battery fed energy from a coil discharge. That is the effect the video shows.

The cap is probably there because without it being there the voltage generated at his drain or collector pins would destroy them
due to the battery not being able to take on the energy quick enough. As many of us know quite well. We've seen the same effect.
That is why neons are used between the collector and emitter  pins on desufator circuits, because if the battery is too badly sulfated
the developed voltage will usually damage the transistors. Adding a large capacitor across the charge battery is common practice for
when a battery is so sulfated the safety neons fire continuously.

Haven't we moved past pulse motors and sulfated battery effects ?

I'm not attacking him either just making observations.

Cheers

P.S. Isn't this getting way off topic. It has as much to do with "Delayed Lenz Effect". It's a pulse motor trying to charge a badly sulfated battery.

What exactly was he claiming for the video ? I don't see any "new" inductors.

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Hey Farmhand

Yeah, I always looked up to his builds, and so many. But its a bit of a tease at times, where it possibly looks like something 'real good' but never any answers to 'real questions'

I can see that he has done just about every variety, style and some new ideas in his builds, so I think he knows what is going on within his circuits, at the least by now. ;)

Im not sure what he intended to show in the vid as a result being the voltage reading of what I see. But if I had to guess, from what I see, it seems like a bit of transparent trickery.  :o ;D

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1099 on: April 20, 2013, 10:49:02 AM »
sorry for the delay in answering
no video cam available and I do not like to post videos neither,  for a main reason: I am very short in measurement knowledge, therefore, I am unsure of the results gotten from many of the experiments done . .  so the least thing I want is to mislead or give false info, as I have poor measurement equipment even no oscope.
I am here mainly to learn, and something I found very often, is people showing videos with no specs nor schematics and many of them showing only voltages but no Amps, which is very frustrating.
IMO measurement of output pulsed DC without a scope originates many wrong conclusions, as well as batteries behavior.
Anyway, taking constructive criticism as an attack is just a childish behavior. . . . so your considerations about the attached pic are very welcomed.
Is just to clarify what I meant for a "sliding coil" in my previous post.
If any is interested I may post as many specs or schematics as required. Of course I insist in the poor measurement subject.
The motor type Adams is driven by 2 hand made electromagnets, a reed switch and a 2N3055 transistor.
I just placed a voltage divider before the reed input as to elongate its life, using just a small current/voltage at the transitor base.(I know this way is not efficient because of resistance looses)
It works from 3V to12V. (but at 12V the trans. gets warm, so I use 6V as average input, the mA input varies also)
Average rpm at 6V- 500mA: 3600 rpm.
About the sliding coils, I tested many, mainly tesla series bifilar ones (solenoid) and mainly with 3500 turns, the higher output voltage was fitting the output coil physicaly closer to the driving coil, but average Amps were always quite low. Very easy to load many leds but very weak with resistive loads.
The lack of a Scope, do not allows for an accurate search for the resonant condition. I go as far as I can.
Cheers
edit-forgot to say: no input or rpm changes perceptible at any loading condition.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2013, 12:50:28 PM by ALVARO_CS »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1100 on: April 20, 2013, 01:18:59 PM »
IMO, in this kind of setup the collector coil is electricaly isolated from the driver coils, and influenced by the magnetic saturation-collapse of the ferrite core, but I cannot see the diference if this happens only by the electric pulse of driver coil, or the magnet`s rotor action, or probably both.
The driver in this case is metal shielded around and back, and when pulsed its magnetic field may be sensed at a far distance. Leedsalkin stated (I checked this) that shielding that way enhances the magnetic properties, but winded normally. this ones are series bifilar but with a diode between. Ideed the magnetic polarity reverses,thus I winded opposite at right hand rule, to get a North-north repulsing situation at rotor-drive.
sorry for long rant  :P
english not my native language  :-[
cheers

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1101 on: April 20, 2013, 03:30:09 PM »
@ALVARO-CS,
 
             That's called a "Piggy Back" coil. It shares the core with the power coil. Gadgetmall reprted O.U. results with one just like it. Thank you for showing us pictures of the build. Very interesting test bed! You mentioned earlier that the output coil could be adjusted to help deliver a kick to the rotor? A lasertach would sure be nice to help confirm any "Lenz Delay" effect. 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1102 on: April 20, 2013, 04:42:50 PM »
sorry sinchro, I may be explained it in a wrong way. What I meant is that the output increases as the output coil gets closer to the driver, but not difference in rpm nor in input power.(no kick)
I even noticed no changes starting the motor and adding the output  coil (already loaded) after max rotor speed.
The driving circuit acts as if the output coil was invisible.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1103 on: April 20, 2013, 04:52:28 PM »
sorry sinchro, I may be explained it in a wrong way. What I meant is that the output increases as the output coil gets closer to the driver, but not difference in rpm nor in input power.(no kick)
I even noticed no changes starting the motor and adding the output  coil (already loaded) after max rotor speed.
The driving circuit acts as if the output coil was invisible.

"Lenz Masking"! I implied a motor might be concievable, but your accomplishment stands as an advance unique unto itself. I'm certain Gadgetmall confirmed your results with his setup. Very impressive outcome. "Zero Lenz" output coils are not the Unicorn!
 
Quote from above:

"this ones are series bifilar"

What coils are serial bifilar, the power, output or both?
 
The power coil pulse may be all the output coil gets, but so what, it's free energy. The output coil needs to be tested alone on the sliding core for "Lenz propulsion" effect".

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1104 on: April 20, 2013, 05:24:54 PM »
Synchro1:

Good clip for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gINzRCOOs-8

Alvaro:

You are right, both the pulse of the driver coil and the magnet's rotor action will generate output in your pick-up coil.  If the pick-up coil drives a very small load you might not see and changes in rotation speed because the change in speed is not noticeable.  You are getting a Lenz' Law resistance to the rotor turning but it is probably very small.  You have to experiment with different load resistors.

There is no over unity from a pick-up coil like in your setup.  Proper measurements would show this.

MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1105 on: April 20, 2013, 05:28:30 PM »
wait wait, I have to emphasize in avoiding any claim, as I said, the lack of accurate equipment may drive to inapropriate measurements. (no hurras by now please)
This is the first time I post this here (or anywhere), and not aware of related Gadgetmall accomplishments. (I miss him in the Joules thief thread)
If someone here would be interested in replicating such a setup, and make some oscope shots, THAT would be the way to confirm or deny it.
If this will be the case, I would have a pleasure in posting the physical specs  as No of turns, sizes etc.(I don`t know the flux density of my magnets from HD, neither the saturation degree of the ferrite core, from a AM radio)

cheers

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1106 on: April 20, 2013, 06:04:41 PM »
Gadget's "Piggyback Coil" video:
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA
 
Gadget wires a tny capacitor in series with the powercoil, and generates even more power in L C tank oscillation with the rotor stopped. The series bifilar behaves the same way.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1107 on: April 20, 2013, 06:24:09 PM »
Moire patterns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-TNQXl9KE

Lorentz force acting on moving charges resulting in moire patterns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89TaH6Er1Y

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1108 on: April 20, 2013, 06:28:57 PM »
Sinchro1: The schematic for the motor coils are at page 5 in:  http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/Coils11.swf
(I think author is Hoptoad)

The collector coils I tested were series bifilar (solenoid wind, not panckake) some 3500 turns of both wires winded in parallel connected end of A with beggining of B. - 0.2 mm enameled copper.

The driver coils: as per attached schematic /diode 1N4007 / 0.4mm enameled copper wire / 320 turns each, total 640 T / shield from a small dc motor / back: a steel washer / core diam - 10mm, x length 100mm.

MileHigh: I tried with leds and with a dc incandescent lamp 12.V - 07.A through a .1mF cap in parallel,-FBR - electrolytic cap bank.-load

As you said, small loads of leds easy to light up, but not power enough to lite the incandescent lamp.
Nevertheless, as I said in both conditions a change in the rpm should be noticed,  above all the short at the incands. lamp.
cheers

PS: guys you are so fast in posting I get always late ;D

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1109 on: April 20, 2013, 06:44:03 PM »
Alvaro:

That circuit that you are using may damage your transistor.  If you notice when the transistor switches off the inductive energy gets discharged inside the transistor.

MileHigh