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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 780202 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1080 on: April 19, 2013, 03:22:33 AM »

 
This Tesla series bifilar coil is the closest thing to a free lunch that science has to offer. The SBC charges itself spontaneously as a capacitor, and goes into self resonance as an independent L C tank circuit at the correct frequencies. I believe this SBC tank reonance drives my high speed neo tube in series with a battery and reed switch, when the r.p.m. exceeds the reed switch limit.

Hey Syncro

Are you driving your SBC just as you would a regular coil pulse motor?

Also, are you sending charge back to the battery from the drive coil?

Any circuits you can show?

Thanks

Mags


Offline synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1081 on: April 19, 2013, 03:51:10 AM »
@Mags,
 
         The two ends of the red wire thread spool SBC: One goes to one end of the reed switch. the other end of the coil wire and the other end of the reed switch connect to the two battery electrodes. Three simple components in series. Secondly, you can see the position of the reed switch over the coil face for running, and lastly: The spinner.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1082 on: April 19, 2013, 03:58:00 AM »
snip..
 I believe this SBC tank reonance drives my high speed neo tube in series with a battery and reed switch, when the r.p.m. exceeds the reed switch limit.

Quite possible.
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1083 on: April 19, 2013, 04:19:59 AM »
"the energy stored in the coil will now be two hundred and fifty thousand times as great."

If there is no difference in this coil and a normal coil, why would Tesla state this? Sounds like a HUGE difference to me. Nothing identical about it. And he clearly represents it as compared to a normal coil. ;)

"Capacity secured in this particular way 'possesses an additional advantage' in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, 'are more readily and easily obtained' as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

He clearly states that there is an advantage. Both as to efficiency and economy are more readily and easily obtained.  I read somewhere, I think it was a debate or lecture that Tesla stated that the higher the voltage, the advantages become more apparent. Something like that. Id have to find that.

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1084 on: April 19, 2013, 04:26:57 AM »
My discovery:
 
 
Four wires wraped together will wind a "Quadfilar coil". Wired as two Tesla serial bifilars, one pulsed D.C will invert the power to A.C. in the other, plus the "Q" coil doubles the pulsed D.C. to A.C. output voltage.

Any resonant transformer can make an AC sine wave from a pulsed DC input.
Tesla coils do it well.

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EDIT: changed "will make" to "can make".

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1085 on: April 19, 2013, 04:33:23 AM »
  I believe this SBC tank reonance drives my high speed neo tube in series with a battery and reed switch, when the r.p.m. exceeds the reed switch limit.

This is entirely possible, simply put the pulses to the coil create harmonics and if the harmonics are of a low enough frequency and the Q is good enough the rotor could see the harmonics as driving "pulses" and the rotor speed would increase relative the influence of the harmonics. Still the energy in the harmonics is from the supply, it's oscillating energy.

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1086 on: April 19, 2013, 04:39:08 AM »
Over 25k the resonant frequency begins to drive the neo tube, but it takes 1/2 a minute to run up to that speed, then "Shazzammm" it begins to "Hyper Accelerate" at around 10,000 r.p.m. per second up to near a 50k plateau. I tried disconnecting the battery, but it droped dead. I'm pretty sure the reed switch is stuck closed. There's an open circuit, but no longer any measureable amp draw.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1087 on: April 19, 2013, 04:57:07 AM »
Over 25k the resonant frequency begins to drive the neo tube, but it takes 1/2 a minute to run up to that speed, then "Shazzammm" it begins to "Hyper Accelerate" at around 10,000 r.p.m. per second up to near a 50k plateau.

Well hot dang!!   ;)   Any vids?  ;D

That reed switch must be a champion.  ;D   I have a few of them. I like the ones that the reed pulls out of the relay when you straighten the leads. Some at RS are sealed, last I got some. I cut the plastic carefully around the end of the relay to remove the reed and POOF!  An amazing amount of super fine wire coil jumped out like a can of peanuts, um, I mean snakes. lol  It was one that was 1024 ohm.  At first the sound came and I thought I broke the reed, and then I didnt understand what I was seeing as there was sooo much wire and I just didnt get it for a couple seconds. I laughed. I got a pic of it and its posted here somewhere also. It literally 'unsprung' outward and expanded.

Reeds have an upper limit of their freq of operation. I dont know what the RS ones are. But maybe being in close proximity to that diametric mag, as they are strong, I have a few  in different sizes, the field is strong enough to take the reed contacts beyond that rating. They have resonant freq also, and show also at harmonics there of.

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1088 on: April 19, 2013, 05:02:14 AM »
It runs completly enclosed to protect from magnet fragmentation. I may cut a window through the side. I have to lasertach from below, half off a countertop.
 
The coil grew cold to the touch after warp factor!
 
The reed switches vary widely in their performance. Maybe one in five will reach these upward frequencies.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1089 on: April 19, 2013, 05:07:10 AM »
It was 1050 ohms.  ;D

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1090 on: April 19, 2013, 05:45:26 AM »
Hey Syncro

With just the sbc, a reed and a battery, the coil will produce only one field out in the direction of the magnet. How does the reed know which pole of the magnet to fire on to get the mag polarities right ?

Here is what I did in this case a while ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgs7dvyZqc

This was before I started using a tiny bias magnet on the reeds so that it only closed when a particular pole be it N or S, depending on the bias mag polarity.

This drill bit deal, I was literally looking to get the magnets field attracted to the reed while the reed was further away. I dont know what I was thinking or even how I came up with it. but it did bias the reed to a particular pole of the magnet depending on what side of the reed the bit was near.

I have seen that if the reed is at the right distance from the mag, just on the verge of not firing, it would only fire for 1 pole and not the other. It could be an abnormality in the magnet and how it was made. But the drill bit, or a nail, was a weird encounter. :o ;D

Mags

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1091 on: April 19, 2013, 06:00:25 AM »
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"the energy stored in the coil will now be two hundred and fifty thousand times as great."

If there is no difference in this coil and a normal coil, why would Tesla state this? Sounds like a HUGE difference to me. Nothing identical about it. And he clearly represents it as compared to a normal coil. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

"Capacity secured in this particular way 'possesses an additional advantage' in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, 'are more readily and easily obtained' as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased."

He clearly states that there is an advantage. Both as to efficiency and economy are more readily and easily obtained.  I read somewhere, I think it was a debate or lecture that Tesla stated that the higher the voltage, the advantages become more apparent. Something like that. Id have to find that.

This can rephrased to give you another viewpoint.   The SB wiring creates the opportunity for adjacent loops in the coil to sustain a higher potential between them.  Therefore the tiny capacitance can be charged to a higher potential more "easily" because of the coil geometry.  So if you say that there was one volt of potential between loops, and then with the SB wiring you can get 500 volts between loops, there is your 250,000 times the stored energy capacity.

So if the coil self-resonates the odd-even interleaving facilitates this capacitative energy storage at high voltage potentials.

However, if the coil is not self resonating and instead being used in pick-up coil or driver coil applications, then the coil winding-to-winding potential never gets excited to such high levels except for the generation of a back-EMF spike.  So this "extra capacity for energy storage" never gets exercised for conventional applications.  The capacitance is still assumed to be minuscule and of no significance.

That implies the only advantage is self-resonance but I am not aware of any applications for this.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1092 on: April 19, 2013, 03:40:50 PM »
@Mags,
 
         Pretty cool setup! Tiny magnets are alot of fun to play around reed switches with.
 
"With just the SBC, a reed and a battery, the coil will produce only one field out in the direction of the magnet. How does the reed know which pole of the magnet to fire on to get the mag polarities right" ?
 
The face of the SBC changes field polarity to just the opposite of the approaching magnet pole, in compliance with "Lenz's Law".  It really makes no difference to the magnet spinner what side of the SB coil pulses at TDC, because the polarity will always be in repulsion. A single wire coil would assert a pole, and fail to work.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1093 on: April 19, 2013, 09:02:31 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFGiEQecEsQ

Skycollection ( http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection ) has published the new video above.

Again he does not do any conclusive input and output measurements. Very strange, because that would be a straight forward thing to do.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1094 on: April 19, 2013, 10:40:47 PM »
Hi Conrad, this is the effect that zirofosil caused in my projects for his "video attack", i will not participate in past projects and future projects because the people of this forum attack me too...!