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Title: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TheOne on August 23, 2011, 02:46:25 AM
New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils

Here the videos:

Working device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gECwKzRw-gs
Device piece by piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Awqk9zOjw

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This motor operates from a self-induced magnetic field from coils that repel the rotor consists of a magnet and a lower wheel with two weights to create inertia. As initial power source is connected to a battery that delivers 2.4 volts, which converts electric coils and magnets to rotate the coils induce her see an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil carrying alternating current to the diodes that rectify DC pulsing, a condenser is connected to stabilize the current obtained more than 60 volts of power as a result. The coils act as chokes and how to transform your look.
Each coil has a double strand of wire, motor consumption is 100 mha. the speed is about 7000 rpm

What do you think?
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 23, 2011, 03:21:13 AM
Thats amazing !!!  ;D

i believe its an electric fan motor style.  ;)
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TheOne on August 23, 2011, 03:28:59 AM
I added the english translation of the spanish description from the video.

I hope its not a hoax :), if hoax the 2 like opposite magnets at the bottom are a hidden battery, but I dont think so, we weed to list all material we can see from the video and make one ;)
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TheOne on August 23, 2011, 04:17:10 AM
I asked if he can give me the plan and he say no :)
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on August 23, 2011, 05:13:19 AM
Hi All,

I posted this in the other thread, but it looks like a hybrid of a compulsator, if there are no hidden batteries. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compensated_pulsed_alternator

What I find most interesting with the compulsator is this statement:

"...the compulsator could be used in non-pulsed mode to drive a tank with electric motors for limited periods as a kind of "quiet mode"..."

Now if this can be brought up to speed and run electric motors for a tank in short durations, it should have no problem with pulsing itself to keep the flywheel in motion.

Looks like he is using a gyroscope rotor as the flywheel and bringing it up to speed with the Dremel. He is also using tiny coils for low inductance. I don't see how the switching is done between pulse and collect through the diametric magnet.

Pretty interesting design for such a small device.

Some more info:
http://www.utexas.edu/research/cem/projects/army_electric_gun_program.html

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Iron-Core Compulsator

TIn the mid-1980’s, the first compulsator built for the U.S. Army electric gun program was successfully demonstrated. Named the "Iron-Core Compulsator" (ICC), the device is a 6-pole, rotating field machine which stores 40 MJ of kinetic energy at 4,800 rpm, and can repetitively deliver ten 1 MJ, 2 ms pulses. The ICC generates an open circuit voltage of 2 kV and operates at a peak current of 1 MA, resulting in a peak power rating of 2 GW. After fulfilling its stated contract goals by firing a burst of railgun shots at 10 Hz, the ICC has become a reliable CEM laboratory power supply for testing other components including high power switching for newer compulsators, and advanced railgun barrels.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: lumen on August 23, 2011, 05:55:38 AM
Looks to me like he is using a Piezo crystal between two magnets, and he is actuating movement into the crystal with pulses from the coils. The crystal separates the two magnets and changes the overall field. These pulsed magnets then push on the bottom rotor magnets to drive it.

Just a guess!
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TheOne on August 23, 2011, 03:18:58 PM
Looks to me like he is using a Piezo crystal between two magnets, and he is actuating movement into the crystal with pulses from the coils. The crystal separates the two magnets and changes the overall field. These pulsed magnets then push on the bottom rotor magnets to drive it.

Just a guess!

I think you got it, I remember long time ago someone telling you can change the magnet polarity with current but I never saw one replication of this, if the crystal is the key that could be it

So the bottom magnets are changing polarity and make spin the rotor while the 2 coils are generating the current to power the crystal and generate extra current
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Qwert on August 23, 2011, 04:13:36 PM
I asked if he can give me the plan and he say no :)
Would you like to ask him, what he is going to do with this invention: to patent it or to start production for example. Making it only for the purpose of Youtube presentation makes no sense; looks like a hoax.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on August 23, 2011, 05:13:23 PM
Hi All,

I do see something that seems a little odd. After re-watching the first video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gECwKzRw-gs) at 2:01 he says it is putting out 4 amps? from those tiny coils?, something doesn't add up there. I have a large 1" diametric magnet and can get 8amps@120mv from a 10gauge coil @20krpm. So 60v*4amps = 240watts, from tiny coils, doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Low-Q on August 23, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils

Here the videos:

Working device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gECwKzRw-gs
Device piece by piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Awqk9zOjw

What do you think?
I think he should replace the small lithium cell with a capacitor before we make any conclusions. The design looks very simple, and should be easy to replicate for those with a little more than average skills in electronics.

Vidar
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 24, 2011, 01:00:14 AM
miniturising energy source, impressive!!!  ;D

nothing, i just want to induce this in your brain  :D
http://www.youtube.com/user/arvindguptatoys#p/a/f/2/HHEdIZ282hE
http://www.youtube.com/user/arvindguptatoys#p/f/3/vSPFwibREUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMxGhpRHzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EJhUsxhUs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIf9iPskgJs&feature=fvwrel

Quote:
This motor operates from a self-induced magnetic field from coils that repel the rotor consists of a magnet and a lower wheel with two weights to create inertia. As initial power source is connected to a battery that delivers 2.4 volts, which converts electric coils and magnets to rotate the coils induce her see an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil carrying alternating current to the diodes that rectify DC pulsing, a condenser is connected to stabilize the current obtained more than 60 volts of power as a result. The coils act as chokes and how to transform your look.
Each coil has a double strand of wire, motor consumption is 100 mha. the speed is about 7000 rpm.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TheOne on August 24, 2011, 03:08:04 PM
What I dont understand from his video his he talk about batteries, even show one but dont use them at all...

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I think he should replace the small lithium cell with a capacitor before we make any conclusions. The design looks very simple, and should be easy to replicate for those with a little more than average skills in electronics.

Vidar

You mean that one side is magnet and on the other side its a small lithium cell?
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Lakes on August 24, 2011, 03:42:10 PM
Two magnets with something glued in the center between the two springs?

I would guess that its either a battery or a piezo.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Low-Q on August 24, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
What I dont understand from his video his he talk about batteries, even show one but dont use them at all...

You mean that one side is magnet and on the other side its a small lithium cell?
It is quite clear that there is a battery cell the blue one on the bottom side in the first video (In the second video it is obvious that it is a lithium cell between the two springs). A regular lithium cell used in small cameras. On the top there is a cylindrical neodym magnet often used in brushless motors for RC planes. The flywheel is also from a brushless motor - probably an E-Flite brand motor. On this flywheel, there is magnets - if the red and blue colour is indicating South and North. There is pickup magnets on the top with very many windings, so the voltage will rise to 70V after the bridge rectifier and the charge capacitor. This is as far as I understand a clever design, but not overunity. The proof lays in the part where he by accident sort circuit the capacitor on the top. The RPM decrease, and never rise. A true OU device would increased RPM untill the friction prevents it to go faster. This device does not.

Vidar
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Cherryman on August 24, 2011, 06:08:47 PM
....The RPM decrease, and never rise. A true OU device would increased RPM untill the friction prevents it to go faster. This device does not.

Vidar

Because he uses a high RPM (Dremel) to start, it could be the start RPM is above the "friction" point you mention, so you could be right and wrong at the same time!
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: DeepCut on August 24, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
@Low-Q

What you say makes sense, especially when you consider the software running on the laptop is for RC aeroplanes !
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: hartiberlin on August 25, 2011, 02:19:03 AM
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: batfish on August 25, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...


My Spanish isn't very good, but this is how I read the description on Youtube:

“This motor operates on the basis of an electromagnetic field which is self-induced by coils that repel a rotor which consists of a magnet that has a flywheel with two weights below it to create inertia. A battery is connected as the initial source of power, supplying 2.4 volts which turns the coils into electromagnets. The effect of rotation on the coils is to produce in its turn an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil. This alternating current is taken and rectified by diodes as pulsed direct current. A capacitor is used to smooth the current, yielding 60 volts as a result.  The coils work as inductors and as transformers in turn. Each coil consists of two windings of wire. The motor consumes 100mA, and the rotor turns at about 7000 rpm.”

On this basis Stefan's circuit diagram is an over-simplification, as it omits the fact that the the diode bridge takes its input from secondary windings.

This device looks a bit like a cross between the Turtur device (modified so that the magnet rotates in a magnetic field produced by primary coils that are connected to a battery), and Muller/Adams/Romeruk devices which rely on the interactions between coils, rotor magnets and stator magnets.

It's worth emphasizing that this device, like the Turtur device, does not seem to have anything that you can describe as a driver coil, and has to brought to its operating speed by an external starter (in this case, the Dremel).

You could look at this as a variant of the Turtur device in which the resonator is provided by the primary circuit so that an alternating current is produced in the secondary windings.

Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Hoxan on August 25, 2011, 12:13:48 PM
Edit:
@allama: yes, you are absolutely right,

sorry on misleading you guys in wrong direction, I remember similar device from 2005 or so that had 4 magnets and used one as energy source
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: allama on August 25, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
Hello. I´m spanish and i think that the schema could be this one, with only one magnet (youtube video description says that the others are only weights)  ;)

Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Poit on August 25, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...

Exactly... Leds can be very deceptive with their input current. This forum knows all to well that Leds can run as low as Microamps.... so for this guy to ASSUME that ALL 75 Leds are running at 25miliamps is stupid! especially since he doesnt messure it. This fella knows his way around a multi meter... he shows the voltage .. can do ohms law etc... so why oh why did he not do a current check on the leds?!!! all he had to is hook the multimetre up in series with it!!! NOT BLOODY HARD!

I know why he didn't... because it wouldn't be impressive any more... think about it... he tells you EVERYTHING.. even the damn hertz the thing runs at... EXCEPT for the current and voltage draw on the leds (the 60 volts he shows you is UNLOADED, means nothing)....

his maths =

"75 leds = 1 led = 25maX75 =1.85Amp"

sure.. thats about correct.... but he fails to mention is that his leds are running below 2.5miliamps per led.. giving a total of 190miliamp draw..... hmmm.... 200miliamp going in.. 190miliamp going out....thats a net loss of 10miliamps.. AND thats being extremely generous... its  most likely going to be a 20 - 40 miliamps loss..

He would be better off connecting the super cap / lithium battery (depending on which video you watched) to a joule thief and then running the 75 Leds... would run for longer than his contraption.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: mikestocks2006 on August 25, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
Can anyone speculate what is  this component(s) held by the left hand?

At around 1:45 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Awqk9zOjw
And again at 2:09 2:10 and 2:14

Interesting videos
Thanks for posting
Mike
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: gyulasun on August 25, 2011, 07:54:53 PM
Can anyone speculate what is  this component(s) held by the left hand?
...

Hi Mike,

I think he has two button cell batteries in series in the lower part of that component (this may explain the 2.4V) and there is a Neo cylinder magnet attached to the top part of the 2.4V battery pack.
(here is such a battery pack, searched at random by google, he probably removed the solder tabs from the outsides of the batteries:
http://www.image.micros.com.pl/_dane_techniczne_auto/ak%20mh80b2al3.jpg )

Regarding the creation of the 63V or so DC voltage in the capacitor I think he uses a reed switch hidden inside one of the coils and this reed switch probably is in series with the coil to interrupt the 2.4V battery current and the spike from the collapsing field is also rectified by the diode bridge.
The type of the capacitor cannot be a supercap because in that small mechanical size supercaps normally have 2.4 or 5V DC ratings.

There is another possibility: the reed switch is not in series with the coils but in parallel and performs as short-circuiting the coils at the the induced sine wave peaks. See coil shorting technics elsewhere in this or at other forums.

Gyula
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: mikestocks2006 on August 26, 2011, 03:22:52 AM
Hi Mike,

I think he has two button cell batteries in series in the lower part of that component (this may explain the 2.4V) and there is a Neo cylinder magnet attached to the top part of the 2.4V battery pack.
(here is such a battery pack, searched at random by google....
Gyula
Hi Gyula
Yes, it doesn’t look like neo mag(s) or capacitor(s). As you commented it looks like a battery.
A small alkaline 23AE comes to mind too, outputs 12V or button cells.
So there may be a battery power source there in the system.
It also appears that this particular video has been removed

Thanks for commenting.
Mike
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 26, 2011, 05:16:25 AM
It also appears that this particular video has been removed

Thanks for commenting.
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_C3LsD_Pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Sbtw8nriE
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: hartiberlin on August 26, 2011, 07:01:53 AM
Lidmotor did a great replication and got the same
results:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZEJnqZo8pU

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Shadesz on August 26, 2011, 05:22:45 PM
lol looks like you pissed him off by uploading those mirrors. Seems like he has a little arrogance to him.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Lakes on August 26, 2011, 05:55:24 PM
Very nice replication!

It did get me thinking though, would the output pulses from the generator move a piezo mounted magnet enough to keep the thing going?
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 26, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
lol looks like you pissed him off by uploading those mirrors. Seems like he has a little arrogance to him.
we know he reads this thread anyways... ;) did he think no one would mirror it? if anyone wants the .mp4 of either video send me a pm.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: TinselKoala on August 27, 2011, 05:38:23 AM
Another free energy motor/generator that requires a battery or a charged capacitor to run? Why do I find that so darn funny?

Stefan asked, "The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?"

Yes, that's the question, and the answer is "NO", it doesn't. If it did, it could run itself. In the first video, you can see the voltage on the cap decreasing steadily during the short time he shows the voltage. And in the second video, there is clearly a battery.
As has been stated, the no-load voltage is meaningless, especially when measured by a six-dollar voltmeter. The fact that it can light up a bunch of LEDs and/or a NE-2 shouldn't be surprising to anyone here. Why doesn't he go the next step, and show it running on a battery that it charged itself, like I have done? Maybe it just hasn't occurred to him yet.

It's a neat little motor though.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
Yes, that's the question, and the answer is "NO", it doesn't. If it did, it could run itself. In the first video, you can see the voltage on the cap decreasing steadily during the short time he shows the voltage. And in the second video, there is clearly a battery.
As has been stated, the no-load voltage is meaningless, especially when measured by a six-dollar voltmeter. The fact that it can light up a bunch of LEDs and/or a NE-2 shouldn't be surprising to anyone here. Why doesn't he go the next step, and show it running on a battery that it charged itself, like I have done? Maybe it just hasn't occurred to him yet.

It's a neat little motor though.
the answer is no? really? what evidence do you have? where is your "replication"? how do you know the battery wasn't charging? you're just adding more assumption(s) from the peanut gallery. why am i not surprised?

yes it is a neat motor. much more elegant than any of your kludges (except your ocpmm hoax of course).
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Poit on August 28, 2011, 08:27:19 AM
assumptions? you are kidding right? there is no assumptions....... he did not show a voltage and amperage coming out of the machine.

It would be like me claiming to have a really awesome new car wheel brake technology and not showing the wheel stop...

if anything the guy who did the videos was assuming quite a lot with his maths on what he THINKS the current is (i.e leds 25miliamps etc etc)..... why would he show information about his own assumptions on the device when its right in front of him to put a multimeter on!!! what a joke!
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Low-Q on August 28, 2011, 10:14:04 AM
the answer is no? really? what evidence do you have? where is your "replication"? how do you know the battery wasn't charging? you're just adding more assumption(s) from the peanut gallery. why am i not surprised?

yes it is a neat motor. much more elegant than any of your kludges (except your ocpmm hoax of course).
There is no proof of overunity in this video. There is a reason why not all measurements are covered.
When he tested all the LEDs, all of them was in parallell. The white ones are ran by approx 3.7 - 4.2VDC to lit properly. These LEDs was very dimmed, so the voltage was probably not more than 1.5 to 2V max - initial voltage was 65V. That tells much about the poor energy capacity of the powersource. The current through the LEDs will drop CONSIDERABLY when voltage drops under 3.6V. So there was not much energy out of the "generator". A few micro amps at max is my guess based on the observations - at 1.5 - 2V. That says a lot about this device. That we could say is a proof of a non-over unity device.

Vidar
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Poit on August 29, 2011, 05:46:26 AM
I agree... so far all that has been presented is proof of a non-over unity device
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 29, 2011, 06:04:10 AM
that is what constitutes proof to you? a youtube video?

::)

you should learn what a proof is... power is not energy, a youtube video is not proof... tra la la
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Poit on August 29, 2011, 09:22:42 AM
that is what constitutes proof to you? a youtube video?

::)

you should learn what a proof is... power is not energy, a youtube video is not proof... tra la la

get your eyes checked? "non-over unity device"  i.e NON-OVER UNITY!

idiot
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: gauschor on August 29, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
Thanks for the close up investigation of the device. I agree that there isn't any proof of overunity in this video. Why is it always LEDs and not some real load like a bulb or toy motor, and why didn't the uploader show the amperage? Instead I recall him saying it's about 4 Amps (which can hardly be true).

...oh, but I can't check anymore what exactly he said since the video is gone. Maybe I misheard and it was 4 milliAmps.
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on August 29, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_C3LsD_Pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Sbtw8nriE

The magnet that he is saying at the top is not a magnet.  ::)

its a coil with transistor and 2 battery cell of 3v with iron core.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59agKzvoas&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRn4A_cKeow&feature=related

wow wilby your a star now  ;D  ;) so proud of yo, is this video yours?  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySqz7Hgpkk&feature=related
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: Jimboot on August 29, 2011, 03:06:03 PM
@Tito that last vid is from zeropoint132 maybe willy? Anyway will be replicating tomorrow. Like to see how it would go on a fixed rotor.
My wides birthday tomorrow tho so probaly in later in the night down here in Oz
Title: Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 29, 2011, 07:17:50 PM
get your eyes checked? "non-over unity device"  i.e NON-OVER UNITY!

idiot
you didn't address either of the questions i posed to you in my previous post thus, your response is a logical fallacy. try a cogent one next time, if you know what one is and get your eyes checked you mental midget...  WHERE DID I CLAIM THIS DEVICE WAS OVERUNITY? HUH? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT IDIOT?

@tito... get your eyes checked too you mental midget... do you know what a 'mirror' is?


the only thing this device proves is that you and tinsel koala and lowq don't know what constitutes a proof, love to make assumptions, speculations, jump to conclusions and respond with logical fallacy. i never once said jack shit about overunity about this guy's motor... yet in each and every one of your responses to my posts you go off blabbing to me about something i never said.  why don't you guys play a game? make a sentence out of the following words: face, shut, sodding, your.

i'll repeat my questions that NONE of you answered:
the answer is no? really? what evidence do you have? where is your "replication"? how do you know the battery wasn't charging? you're just adding more assumption(s) from the peanut gallery. why am i not surprised?

regards.