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Author Topic: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils  (Read 30951 times)

Offline DeepCut

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 08:42:07 PM »
@Low-Q

What you say makes sense, especially when you consider the software running on the laptop is for RC aeroplanes !

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 02:19:03 AM »
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 10:00:17 AM »
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...


My Spanish isn't very good, but this is how I read the description on Youtube:

“This motor operates on the basis of an electromagnetic field which is self-induced by coils that repel a rotor which consists of a magnet that has a flywheel with two weights below it to create inertia. A battery is connected as the initial source of power, supplying 2.4 volts which turns the coils into electromagnets. The effect of rotation on the coils is to produce in its turn an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil. This alternating current is taken and rectified by diodes as pulsed direct current. A capacitor is used to smooth the current, yielding 60 volts as a result.  The coils work as inductors and as transformers in turn. Each coil consists of two windings of wire. The motor consumes 100mA, and the rotor turns at about 7000 rpm.”

On this basis Stefan's circuit diagram is an over-simplification, as it omits the fact that the the diode bridge takes its input from secondary windings.

This device looks a bit like a cross between the Turtur device (modified so that the magnet rotates in a magnetic field produced by primary coils that are connected to a battery), and Muller/Adams/Romeruk devices which rely on the interactions between coils, rotor magnets and stator magnets.

It's worth emphasizing that this device, like the Turtur device, does not seem to have anything that you can describe as a driver coil, and has to brought to its operating speed by an external starter (in this case, the Dremel).

You could look at this as a variant of the Turtur device in which the resonator is provided by the primary circuit so that an alternating current is produced in the secondary windings.


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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 10:00:17 AM »
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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 12:13:48 PM »
Edit:
@allama: yes, you are absolutely right,

sorry on misleading you guys in wrong direction, I remember similar device from 2005 or so that had 4 magnets and used one as energy source
« Last Edit: August 25, 2011, 02:37:00 PM by Hoxan »

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 02:07:28 PM »
Hello. I´m spanish and i think that the schema could be this one, with only one magnet (youtube video description says that the others are only weights)  ;)


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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 02:07:28 PM »
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Offline Poit

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 05:46:12 PM »
I think these are just 2 coils between a magnet rotor.

The basic circuit is this as the attached circuit.

Sorry for the bad resolution, it was just done via my crappy phone camera.

Maybe he just uses the bifilar windings in each coil just in parallel to get
more capacitance inside the coils.
Or are there really more than 2 connections on each coil ?
In the first movie he uses a 2.4 Volts battery to run it which consumes
100 MilliAmps, so he is using about 240 MilliWatts of input power.

In the second video he is charging up a big cap, probably a supercap
from 2 batteries at the beginning of the video and uses it to run the circuit.

The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?
The LEDs are not very bright ...Hmmm...

Exactly... Leds can be very deceptive with their input current. This forum knows all to well that Leds can run as low as Microamps.... so for this guy to ASSUME that ALL 75 Leds are running at 25miliamps is stupid! especially since he doesnt messure it. This fella knows his way around a multi meter... he shows the voltage .. can do ohms law etc... so why oh why did he not do a current check on the leds?!!! all he had to is hook the multimetre up in series with it!!! NOT BLOODY HARD!

I know why he didn't... because it wouldn't be impressive any more... think about it... he tells you EVERYTHING.. even the damn hertz the thing runs at... EXCEPT for the current and voltage draw on the leds (the 60 volts he shows you is UNLOADED, means nothing)....

his maths =

"75 leds = 1 led = 25maX75 =1.85Amp"

sure.. thats about correct.... but he fails to mention is that his leds are running below 2.5miliamps per led.. giving a total of 190miliamp draw..... hmmm.... 200miliamp going in.. 190miliamp going out....thats a net loss of 10miliamps.. AND thats being extremely generous... its  most likely going to be a 20 - 40 miliamps loss..

He would be better off connecting the super cap / lithium battery (depending on which video you watched) to a joule thief and then running the 75 Leds... would run for longer than his contraption.

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 06:22:23 PM »
Can anyone speculate what is  this component(s) held by the left hand?

At around 1:45 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Awqk9zOjw
And again at 2:09 2:10 and 2:14

Interesting videos
Thanks for posting
Mike

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 07:54:53 PM »
Can anyone speculate what is  this component(s) held by the left hand?
...

Hi Mike,

I think he has two button cell batteries in series in the lower part of that component (this may explain the 2.4V) and there is a Neo cylinder magnet attached to the top part of the 2.4V battery pack.
(here is such a battery pack, searched at random by google, he probably removed the solder tabs from the outsides of the batteries:
http://www.image.micros.com.pl/_dane_techniczne_auto/ak%20mh80b2al3.jpg )

Regarding the creation of the 63V or so DC voltage in the capacitor I think he uses a reed switch hidden inside one of the coils and this reed switch probably is in series with the coil to interrupt the 2.4V battery current and the spike from the collapsing field is also rectified by the diode bridge.
The type of the capacitor cannot be a supercap because in that small mechanical size supercaps normally have 2.4 or 5V DC ratings.

There is another possibility: the reed switch is not in series with the coils but in parallel and performs as short-circuiting the coils at the the induced sine wave peaks. See coil shorting technics elsewhere in this or at other forums.

Gyula

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 03:22:52 AM »
Hi Mike,

I think he has two button cell batteries in series in the lower part of that component (this may explain the 2.4V) and there is a Neo cylinder magnet attached to the top part of the 2.4V battery pack.
(here is such a battery pack, searched at random by google....
Gyula
Hi Gyula
Yes, it doesn’t look like neo mag(s) or capacitor(s). As you commented it looks like a battery.
A small alkaline 23AE comes to mind too, outputs 12V or button cells.
So there may be a battery power source there in the system.
It also appears that this particular video has been removed

Thanks for commenting.
Mike

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 07:01:53 AM »
Lidmotor did a great replication and got the same
results:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZEJnqZo8pU

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 05:22:45 PM »
lol looks like you pissed him off by uploading those mirrors. Seems like he has a little arrogance to him.

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2011, 05:55:24 PM »
Very nice replication!

It did get me thinking though, would the output pulses from the generator move a piezo mounted magnet enough to keep the thing going?

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2011, 07:02:48 PM »
lol looks like you pissed him off by uploading those mirrors. Seems like he has a little arrogance to him.
we know he reads this thread anyways... ;) did he think no one would mirror it? if anyone wants the .mp4 of either video send me a pm.

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Re: New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2011, 05:38:23 AM »
Another free energy motor/generator that requires a battery or a charged capacitor to run? Why do I find that so darn funny?

Stefan asked, "The question really is, if the rectified 60 Volts DC output has more
power than the 240 MilliWatts of input power ?"

Yes, that's the question, and the answer is "NO", it doesn't. If it did, it could run itself. In the first video, you can see the voltage on the cap decreasing steadily during the short time he shows the voltage. And in the second video, there is clearly a battery.
As has been stated, the no-load voltage is meaningless, especially when measured by a six-dollar voltmeter. The fact that it can light up a bunch of LEDs and/or a NE-2 shouldn't be surprising to anyone here. Why doesn't he go the next step, and show it running on a battery that it charged itself, like I have done? Maybe it just hasn't occurred to him yet.

It's a neat little motor though.

 

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