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Offline illuminati

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meyers vic
« on: August 15, 2011, 03:50:47 AM »

I have been messing around with meyers vic for 8 months now, there had to be a answer, well lads its been cracked so fill ya boots.
This is a cut n paste from another site where i go under the name rizla and yet another spintronic.
It is lazely pieced together for people who have looked into meyers technology before and may find it interesting.
 
After building so many variations that just dont work i sat back and asked the question what is happening with meyers longitudal primary. Well mainstream science has no answer, so i dug a little deeper and uncovered the spin orbit of electrons. This creates emf in transformers, the angle of the magnetic flux affects the spin orbit of electrons and so the amount of induced emf. I was finding some answers.
 
Things got more interesting when i uncovered the fact that different metals have different effects when the electron orbits are manipulated by magnetic flux. In iron wire they form tiny magnets, they have a north and south pole they can attract and repel, i now have the effect meyer describes in his patents. 
take a look at this site
 
http://www.asdn.net/asdn/electronics/spintronics.shtml
 
What it says is ferrous metals can have each atom give a 1 or 0 state, its a typical spintronics site, you have to look thru a lot to get the full picture.
The 1 or 0 are actually north and south poles, this is unique property of ferrous metals and it does not just apply at a nano level unless you wish to manipulate each atom individually.
 
First theorised around 1860 then proven in 1921 the spin orbit of electrons is where electronics meets magnetism, this science has been around a long time but not common knowledge.
 
I located some insulated iron based wire, after a number of experiments i found that a iron wire vic works, the mystery is over. Also the primary is not dual bi-directional longitudal wrap, it is a normal winding.
A recent test shows copper wire for the primary works but all other coils have to be a suitable ferrous wire like iron. Stainless, even 300 grade, is a poor choice due to electron scattering. Note as well the primary must be very tight and generate a uniform magnetic field (i mean a perfect uniform magnetic field) or current will leak out. A primary and secondary is all thats needed for testing to start with, this should read zero amps on a meter that measures down to 10uA with a short circuit. You can now wire in the inhibit and charge choke one at a time while checking for current leakage. If the primary is not wound correct you will notice the difference the inhibit choke makes in reduceing current while the charge choke adds more current.

So after building your vic you may well wonder why this has been such a problem, as you can see the patents have been altered and we have all been building crap that will never work, 4 years of running round in circles. Not only that but the spin orbit of electrons science has been hidden for about 80 years, it had to be suppressed or water fuel technology would be impossible to stop.
 
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I have just confirmed a earlier observation the iron primary induces over x2 more current than the same size copper primary. This has not been tested on a normal transformer just my vic with loose wound primary (leaky).

Heres a link for some iron wire, its not ideal but works and is cheap (about £2.50 for 40 metres). Garden wire and others like it are a bit naff.
 
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html or the other just posted
 
Pure iron should give best results, but it`s a b*tch to find and when you find it the cost is £75 for 5 metres so thats simply not happening for me.


Spintronic articles relates to nano science it`s nano techno babble, with a little patience we can piece together usefull information.
 

Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
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copper (non magnetic) does no work with the meyers vic
 
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html
This covers the boys that first proved the spin orbit theory
 
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source  http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
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This is the one we like

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« on: August 15, 2011, 03:50:47 AM »

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Re: meyers vic
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 06:31:06 AM »
The 8xa circuit is a variation of the vic matrix circuit it uses the same technology.

You just need to apply some basic information to build the 8xa circuit.
 
1) Primary flux aligns electron orbit spin in surrounding coils
2) electrons then behave as tiny magnets in ferrous metals with the correct magnetic field applied
3) the north and south poles of each atom attract to each other causeing electron clustering rather than electron flow, i do not know for certain this is how electron clustering happens but i do know it works.

lets look again at the science that makes this happen
 
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source  http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
 
So why not use copper wire? (non magnetic, non ferrous)
 
Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
in Copper wire each atom cannot form a north or south pole so meyers stuff will not work.
 
The tiny magnets formed will attract or repel, opposites attract likes repel, so we can start to see how meyers transformer works, like the inhibit choke for example.
 
Here is a new look on meyers vic with some real science to back it up and proven to work. from this we can build his tube system 6 tube assemblys can run a 1.6l engine, The steam resonator and his injector system the complete energy solution. Without his vic none of this can be built.

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 10:03:58 AM »
I have a Lawton pulser circuit and 2 stainless steel tubes and experimented with them long time ago. I have used bifilar wound coils on ferrite cores that really enhances gas production. But never was enough to support a motor running.

So I connect the output of my lawton pulser to the primary coil of the vic; the primary which is made of copper.
The secondary which is made of iron wire goes through a diode and than connected to the wfc? So simple?

Please draw a schematic.
I have read in the muellers thread someone using stranded wire with a iron wire in the middle an is experiencing a raise of voltage.
So your claim seems to be possible.

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 12:28:10 AM »
Hi cell

I looked into lawton cell but dropped it, too many odd things about how its built that did`nt sound right to me.

anyways the lawton pulser should work fine, look through meyers vic matrix patent, as i have pointed out things have been altered but it gives you a good idea, the schematic is in there. Re-read carefully what i have posted (yea it`s not well presented) and understand the project you are thinking of takeing on before you start to build. What u will be putting together is four coils around a core, do you see what i have done to make the transformer work?

This is the shape your spools will look like
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1267
You will need access to a lathe or 3d printer to make spools.
The primary spool is missing from the pictures.
you will need a ferrite core or a cold roll grain orientated silicon steel core should work.

i will sort out some pics to upload and put together a decent document...given some time.

yes a iron wire transformer muliplys current induced. When i wound a copper primary for my vic and compared it to the iron primary i really was`nt sure what was going on, then i confirmed it on the net. It does generate more heat tho.

Is that enough to get started on, let me know if what i have said is clear.





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Re: meyers vic
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 04:22:07 AM »
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html

Its not ideal but very cheap and works, iron wire of use is either expensive or hard to find

the link is already posted but i do exactly the same when reading on forums so no problem

i advise everyone read what i have posted carefully so they understand the theory of how this transformer works.

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Re: meyers vic
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2011, 10:11:53 PM »
@illuminati
If the effect will not show up with 2 coils wound on an I-Core , one of the wires being iron wire, I will not be able to replicate this thing.
The effect should be noticeable with simple setups.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 01:27:16 AM »
@the cell

the effect will show with two coils if the primary is wound perfect, a leaky primary you need the inhibit choke makeing 3, 4 coils if u then add the charge choke.  the primary is a critical winding 3 coils is advised, can u not find a large enough core?

here is a quote from the first page i posted
Note as well the primary must be very tight and generate a uniform magnetic field (i mean a perfect uniform magnetic field) or current will leak out. A primary and secondary is all thats needed for testing to start with, this should read zero amps on a meter that measures down to 10uA with a short circuit. You can now wire in the inhibit and charge choke one at a time while checking for current leakage. If the primary is not wound correct you will notice the difference the inhibit choke makes in reduceing current while the charge choke adds more current.

Let me know exactly how you plan to built this so i know people are following. Do you understand the spintronic science links?


some primary winding info
The spin orbits must all line up perfectly to do this the primary magnetic field must have no bends, kinks, gaps ect. It must be a very tight close wound perfect coil. not easy. The best way is to machine the spools so there is no gap formed as you first wind the wire on, you can then compress the wire without a bend appearing.
Failure to do this will mean not all electrons align. The electrons that do not will leak out into the circuit or in other words create emf.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2011, 05:09:09 AM by illuminati »

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 07:22:01 AM »
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Soft Magnetic Alloys

Electronic controls have been integrated into an increasing number of automotive functions. This trend has sparked development of a variety of soft magnetic alloys that are needed to optimize the output and response time of electro-mechanical components such as cores, armatures, solenoid switches and relays. Properties that are important to these soft magnetic materials include:

(a) High saturation induction, which allows development of a strong magnetic field, enabling solenoids and fuel injectors to work with a minimum of energy input.

(b) High permeability, which readily induces high magnetism, a property allowing design of smaller, more efficient components.

(c) Low coercive force, which allows rapid magnetization and demagnetization, both essential in opening and closing valves and injectors.

(d) High electrical resistivity, which reduces the energy losses associated with eddy current formation and results in increased electromagnetic efficiency.
From: http://www.newmaterials.com/Customisation/News/General/General/A_Designers_Manual_On_Specialty_Alloys_For_Critical_Automotive_Components.asp

These are the properties that clearly show why Meyer used 430FR wire. There have been some advances in these types of wire but the problem is attaining this wire as of now I only found one company that sells the wire and they don't sell it to the public and I have no idea of the cost. But these types of "Solenoid Quality Wire" seems to be what is needed for the task at hand. It is being used in industry for the same reasons we want to use it. If anyone finds a supplier please let us all know for it would be great to find these types of wires buy, design, & test things with them.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 08:54:34 AM »
I have not tried stainless, it is a ferrous metal, 300 grade is your best bet but use iron i know it works.

what i posted earlier was a little mis-leading, there are 4 coils but 3 spools used in the vic, as explained in meyers vic matrix patent. by reading what i posted u may think 4 seperate spools need to be machined.

h2o stainless is a very bad starting choice, it is unlikley to work as i have explained in this thread. I know i am correct i now understand the basics of this technology, there is no mistake on my part, i have seen it working. time will prove me correct as it has shown the patents have been altered, thats why nobody in 4 years has even one meyer wfc working.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2011, 09:52:06 AM by illuminati »

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 10:31:24 AM »
I have not tried stainless, it is a ferrous metal, 300 grade is your best bet but use iron i know it works.

what i posted earlier was a little mis-leading, there are 4 coils but 3 spools used in the vic, as explained in meyers vic matrix patent. by reading what i posted u may think 4 seperate spools need to be machined.

h2o stainless is a very bad starting choice, it is unlikley to work as i have explained in this thread. I know i am correct i now understand the basics of this technology, there is no mistake on my part, i have seen it working. time will prove me correct as it has shown the patents have been altered, thats why nobody in 4 years has even one meyer wfc working.

Hi illuminati,

I am not doubting what you have found as I have faith in you. All I did was shed some light on Meyer's choice of wire for there is a reason he used it. The "WHY" is the most important part of all of this for without knowing the "WHY" we have nothing but speculation and endless tail chasing.

So far I have gotten the ER array to work fairly well as I fully understand why it was wired in series now and more. I also understand the compressional style of ER array something no one has seen before. It's all there for us in science just don't listen to the science guys that are paid by the energy sellers for all they want to do is keep things the way they are so they keep getting paid.

The problem I have with the wire is it's size for I would need it in a 0.280 mm wire so things fit correctly in the core I have for it. I have come a long ways since I was booted out of the ionizationx and energetic forms. I can tell you the ER array is not the true source of power being added to the system it is the Gas Processor that is doing this. You can, if you want, take a look at the science I found out about the device here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174 But the short version is it works like this; The laser energy works on the atoms from the inside and the ionization energy works on the atoms from the outside and together they do the seemingly impossible and that is to strip far more electrons ever thought possible with such a low energy input. The way it works is suttle and thus far I am the only one that has all the science to prove it works using the known methods of science we all know about.

Just take a look and it will become clear, I hope, anyway your doing great work but remember there is a time limit on all of this with the Dwarf star headed our way to get something up and running to make a difference for the gas supply lines will be cut off if all they say will happen with the Dwarf star's passing. Take care and best of luck to us all in the hard times ahead.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 11:11:38 AM »
i think we understand each other on there being hard times ahead, i have sacrificed a attempt at monetary gain to help people. i think we know where this problem stems from (aliens my arse). I get the feeling its to late.

What do u think h2o, should i buy a rv, few cells to power  it and head of for adventure, or maybe build a bunker. decisions  ::)

anyways nice to here from you h2o

happy days

illuminati

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2011, 08:47:19 PM »
I have a question : is that iron wire insulated or not ? I heard about silver plated iron wire being very good in eliminating electron current while which remain is magnetic current.

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2011, 03:07:52 AM »
has to be insulated forest or some serious re-design

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2011, 05:46:46 AM »
As i have said the primary magnetic field aligns surounding coils electrons so they form magnets that attract to each other (electron clustering)

We can see here how external fields affect electron spin.

When a piece of ferromagnetic material is placed into an external magnetic field, two things happen.
The spins in each domain shift so that the magnetic moments of the electrons become more aligned with the direction of the field.
Domains aligned with the field expand and take over regions previously occupied by domains aligned opposite to the field.

source http://electron9.phys.utk.edu/phys136d/modules/m7/material.htm


this covers permanent magnets but still has relevant information
 
"Instead, every electron is a tiny magnet due to its inherent magnetism (what we call electron spin).
Furthermore, the alignment of the electron spins makes a hunk of iron (magnetite) into a magnetic lodestone.
All atoms have electrons with electron spin and magnetic fields due to their orbits about the nucleus. But not all material is magnetic like the lodestone (ferromagnetic). If the electron spins of an atom's electrons are aligned oppositely, their magnetic fields cancel. That's what happens with tissue paper, flesh, or other non-ferromagnetic substances.
Each iron atom, on the other hand, has four electrons whose spin magnetism doesn't cancel. They line up. Aligned magnetic fields make matter magnetic.
Iron is a peculiar, remarkable substance. Its aligned-field electrons spontaneously couple and form small long-lasting domains. The spins inside these microscopic domains are almost perfectly aligned. Most domains, though, aren't aligned. In common un-magnetized iron, many domains are randomly oriented"

source http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2005-04-01-wonderquest_x.htm


Some materials are unsuitable like copper here it explains why

Since all matter is made up of atoms and all atoms have electrons that are in motion, do all atoms have magnetic fields?
The answer to this question is yes and no. All the electrons do produce a magnetic field as they spin and orbit the nucleus; however, in some atoms, two electrons spinning and orbiting in opposite directions pair up and the net magnetic moment of the atom is zero. Remember that the direction of spin and orbit of the electron determines the direction of the magnetic field. Electron pairing occurs commonly in the atoms of most materials. In the experiment you observed a helium atom showing two electrons spinning and orbiting around the protons and neutrons of the nucleus. The two electrons are paired, meaning that they spin and orbit in opposite directions. Since the magnetic fields produced by the motion of the electrons are in opposite directions, they add up to zero. The overall magnetic field strength of atoms with all paired electrons is zero.

source http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/HighSchool/Magnetism/electronpairing.htm


 

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