Bill,

LEDs can be lit very easily from almost any small voltage source. Can you please try to hook up a small motor or Joule Thief to your device? That would put this all to rest and show you have some real power!

Great work!

-Altrez

You're right, Chet -- no need to respond to ad hominem attacks.  Now back to the science --
Thanks, Bill, for these measurements.  But I need to check your "decimal point" --

E = 1/2 C V**2, here's what I noted:  60,000 uf cap is the same as 60 milliFarads, 60mF,
so we have (taking V on the cap as 0.55V, a rough average):

P = E/t = [1/2 60mF (0.55V)**2]/60 s = 0.15mW = 0.15 MILLIwatts = 150 microwatts.

This is a considerable improvement from the other day, but still below one milliwatt.

@JS

The problem is using  a 60000uf capacitor, you will not be able to bring it down to 0 volts. As soon as your short is open, voltage can rise on its own up to the levels mentioned.

@billmehess

Honestly, I think your call for a demo on the 31st is rather premature. Obviously you are not really ready as I see this is more in a scrambling mode to get something to work half decently. Getting all these people to come in and see a few microwatts (with three modules) in action is not exactly demo material. You will need to provide a fail proof demo showing all the factors in action and that will be difficult at that level in order to cancel all other outside interactions.

Again this is one of the reasons you need to just disclose your build like anyone else on these forums so guys can look into it with you and not through you. It's time to get back down to Earth level and deal with the reality.

@JS mentioned he is available so you have one of the best guys on your side as well as may others here and around the world. If there is something novel is your device, don't worry these guys will HELP YOU find it, explain it, show it and apply it at its maximum effort. But I think the time for playing demo games with the grand trumpets sounding, should subside and I think you will be best served as open source. Patenting a microwatt is not a smart move. I have also lit LEDs when consuming microwatts. Many have.

With all due respect, it's time to open up the basket. It's your call. Hope you make the right decisions. If you want some posterity give your device a name like the "BM Ether Cruncher" or whatever and your name will be in there at every turn.

wattsup

@JS

The problem is using  a 60000uf capacitor, you will not be able to bring it down to 0 volts. As soon as your short is open, voltage can rise on its own up to the levels mentioned.

@billmehess

Honestly, I think your call for a demo on the 31st is rather premature. Obviously you are not really ready as I see this is more in a scrambling mode to get something to work half decently. Getting all these people to come in and see a few microwatts (with three modules) in action is not exactly demo material. You will need to provide a fail proof demo showing all the factors in action and that will be difficult at that level in order to cancel all other outside interactions.

Again this is one of the reasons you need to just disclose your build like anyone else on these forums so guys can look into it with you and not through you. It's time to get back down to Earth level and deal with the reality.

@JS mentioned he is available so you have one of the best guys on your side as well as may others here and around the world. If there is something novel is your device, don't worry these guys will HELP YOU find it, explain it, show it and apply it at its maximum effort. But I think the time for playing demo games with the grand trumpets sounding, should subside and I think you will be best served as open source. Patenting a microwatt is not a smart move. I have also lit LEDs when consuming microwatts. Many have.

With all due respect, it's time to open up the basket. It's your call. Hope you make the right decisions. If you want some posterity give your device a name like the "BM Ether Cruncher" or whatever and your name will be in there at every turn.

wattsup

Hi Wattsup
I agree with what you said, I did some tests some time ago using a washer a piece of paper and a magnet, I managed and produce millivolts without any input  unfortunately it was to unstable for any practical use,
I do hope that billmehess has found the answer to the world's energy needs,
And now that Bill has had second thoughts about the demo hopefully we'll get some more detail on his device.

Disclose to a select trusted few Bill, people that can help you develop your device further, with an NDA agreement if want, but don`t throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

I want to thank Bill for what he is trying to do, and tell him to ignore the impolite donkies. I think that those with the math are probably not to be ignored completely, but with that I would suggest that Bill does not deserve to be put down in a most discusting way as has been expressed here by a few. You are smart...we get it. What about a little politeness here. I live this stuff and want to here & see everything that comes down the pike. To me all this stuff is just plain fun. Bill has a plane lets see how it works out for him.
I do along with Bill, recognize that he may have more research to do. But I admire his enthusiasm.
Lets try to help and make suggestions with out the rancor that is shown by some.

Bill, go back to the black board and give it heck. Most of us are pulling for you.
Remember, Bill    ^{"Illegitimi non carborundum"}

Dougtio

what I live by: "Illegitimi non carborundum" 

Bill I really Don't get what Your're doing here ,seems like you took half of Watts up"s advice .
How about the  "Open Source and We'll help you get it done part"??

Thats not working for you Huh??

In Bills defence, when you have an idea for an invention, It's your baby. Its a very personal thing. Some people will happily throw their ideas to the wind, in my experience it usually means the idea is incomplete. They think its a great idea but want others to develop it. But when the idea is your own and you want to take it to the finish line, It's very hard to let go of.

I know I can't.

The things I believe will work, I want to finish, those ideas that didn't work, well I am glad I kept them to myself.

CC