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Offline ramset

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2011, 11:58:13 AM »
Poit
After Having spoken with Bill about this.......
It is everything you could ask for ,he is giving this to the world Open Source .............
  Does he hope to make a buck ? Hopefully ,Some how,

Is that the reason he's bringing it to us?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
 Your posts sound like a man that doesn't believe this could be true,that there could be men like Bill Who would be so Selfless............

 Meet Bill Mehess ,Human Being Extraordinaire.
By this yardstick will men be measured........

Has he put checks in place to stop Naredowells?
You Got That Right!!

Chet
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And Speaking of Measuring ,I can hear them sharpening their "Rulers" Chomping at the bit ,[the measurerers out there].
But how do you measure something that makes power with No Input?
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 12:44:20 PM by ramset »

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2011, 12:48:54 PM »
Hey Chet,

Easy now fella ;)

Poit's post was perfectly reasonable and logical. I was wondering the same thing myself. The reason for that is because “normally” open source and starting a company to manufacture a product do not play well together.

However in this case it appears to be different.

With a product that is so cheap and simple and can be built quickly then it makes sense to form a company with the ability to provide large numbers to those that want them. It also makes sense to patent it to prevent big business patenting it, and then hiding it away from the world.

If Bill open sources the details then it will not stop people building their own, if they have the skills, but it is surprising the amount of people that cannot even wire a plug. Changing a light bulb is also beyond some people. So they would need to buy one.

I believe it will be a very effective strategy for dissemination to both the skilled and unskilled. I also have no objection to Bill making a $ from all his hard work either, he deserves it!

This is really exciting, did not sleep well last night... was trying to classify a device with Zero Input...

0 / 0.8V = 0.8V

?

RM :)

P.S. Just seen your edit... now is that not spooky! synchronicity at it's finest   ;D

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2011, 01:40:10 PM »
RM
So the sleeplessness Spreads............

Commerce and making money has successfully stifled every OU device to date.
 Patents NDA's Etc...........

We've never been this way before.............

I meant no Poke at Poit ,Just acknowledging the obvious
 Bill is a man Apart.......

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2011, 02:01:40 PM »
Hi everyone,

The reason I had a restless night is this:

An overunity device is normally classified by standard efficiency calculation...

Power In / Power Out = Efficiency %

A device can be classified this way and is either underunity, unity, or overunity...

<100%... =100%... >100%

The problem here is that the device is most definitely overunity, producing more power out than in, but without a value for power in it defies classification by the OU % model as I understand it.

So if we classify it as a Free Energy device, which it most certainly is, as User Input = Zero, we also cannot calculate it's efficiency without a Power In value.

In the example of a solar panel it is possible to measure the amount of sunlight hitting the panel giving you a power in value, and it is possible to calculate the efficiency of conversion of that total light to electrical output, giving you a power out value.

A solar panel is typically about 20% efficient and so is underunity, but as user input = zero, that 20% is free energy to the user.

In the case of Bill's device it is both overunity and free energy but no efficiency calculation is possible as User Power In = Zero, and, Environment Power In = Unknown

So, at this stage it must be assumed that power available to the system from the Environment is infinity, and therefore power out from the system also is infinity – conversion losses.

It will be very important to scientifically analyse the relationship between all components of the system to see if there is a particular factor that affects the relationship (ie resistance etc).

And also if the scaling up process demonstrates linear or non-linear trends for each particular factor.

This is just a preliminary overview of what gave me a restless night, and I know that a lot of you understand this. I wrote this for the people that are learning and just getting into the subject who might otherwise attribute my sleepness night to too much coffee :)

RM :)

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2011, 03:11:28 PM »
@Bill,
When you say you are starting a company and going to manufacture it etc.... does that mean you will have the sole rights to it? I am confused, you say you are waiting for a patent pending status.... you also say you are starting a company.... then you say people can build this with off the shelf hardware from a hardware shop? Please, for the thick headed like my self, could you spell out a simple answer. is the average person (anywhere on the planet) going to be able to get instructions on how to build this device - in the not so distant future, simple yes or no please....

Thank you,
Poit
I understand the confusion let me clearify this. I have the patent pending in place so that I will be able to form a company to hopefully develop the full potential of the device. A company and a patent pending allows me a vehicle to go into the market place and make available this innovation.
It is absolutly imperative to my marketing strategy that the device be reproduced though by anyone who wishes to, I will at the demo provide ALL information to this end.
I would simply like a mechinism in place to put the halt to any commercialization. PLEASE BUILD AWAY!.
Also I realize the limitation of the patent pending. It is only good in the US.  So I am sure it will be jumped on in the other 90% of the world. Even if I had a international patent (which would take years to get) we all know that the Chinese would knock it off anyway.
Again at the demo everything will be revealed-EVERYTHING and personal replication will be encourged. After the demo I will launch a wbsite and  make detailed plans and upgrades available at a very nominal cost.
The reason for this is to simply be able to fund the business and not have to take in investment money which would be its very nature would stifle development.
I hope no one can find fault with this. It's very clear to me that this is a viable path.

I am not a negative person I believe that mankind can prevail, I do not belief that all is lost, our greatest danger is to give up  and not realize our greater potential. Humans have faced great and terrible times thoughout history and they have alway come though. This most difficult time will be no different.

My goal is to develop a company who's goal is to bring to the light of day to innovative energy devices
and my "shareholders" will be all of mankind.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2011, 03:23:09 PM »

Best of Luck with this Bill.

Your approach is the right one. I have often toyed with the problem of 'control' of ones own invention. and when it comes to OU the best control I believe is no control. Count how many patents have succeeded in the past. I cant even get to 1.

If such a device is not replicated by many people it will be forever pushed into the fringe and may never see the light of day. My own intention should any of my hare brain schemes pay off is to market them on eBay or similar as educational toy's. no-one can stop you then and if you give a money back guarantee you are sure to sell a lot. Not that I am saying you should do this, you know the best choice for you.

As for fame You will always be the inventor. fame will find you.

Mind you I don't think I'd post my phone number and email address in the open. That I believe is a mistake. there are a lot of nutters out there and they don't even work for the government. If I can give some advice it would be to take that post down.


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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2011, 04:03:20 PM »
This is good news.

1) What are the values of the caps you are loading?

2) 20$ of ACE Hardware stuff and it being so simple to make indicates that this a Level 1 device. You see the hottest potato is Level 1. A Level 5 would be a rather complicated design requiring specialized skills and precision so useability worldwide goes down and hence attracts less attention and stress. Yours is so simple for 20$. This is a Level 1 device and my only suggestion is that you disclose it to the world openly, fully, precisely and freely AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. Don't patent it, don't guard it. Your sanity will depend on you abdicating all interest and disclosing it to the world immediately. I say immediately because any second after you know this will be a waste in time. The great men will give of themselves and know that such a hot potato, although tempting to want to break the wild bronco that all eventually get thrown off of only to hit the hard ground, hence could never be kept secret or saddled, so there could be 100 replications in one week. Then the world will know and you will not have to say one more word. So again, my only responsible suggestion is that you should disclose it to open source immediately in full disclosure. Everything to everyone at the same time so no one can say they were not told. Either that or ever second thereafter could be considered a waste. I am sure you are not surprised of this stance since this is an open source forum on OU devices.

If you are worried about your dues, don't be and it will come. It will come to you as you picture it logically. Anyone willing to manufacture this will know your name and your worth will be set aside. But let the world figure it out instead of you trying to dictate your terms. Patenting this in the USA and not anywhere else is only going to stifle the USA while the world just jumps all over it and overtakes any effort you can try to make. You are only one man, but one that can make so much difference that it cannot be regulated to monetization procedures. So any attempt to commercialize this is simply futile. Just give it for free. Ouch. No one should have to say those words. That's why only a few will. A consolation. Within 3-6 months your device will be considered obsolete once the principle is understood and applied to other conditions, so by the time you painstakingly try to control the commercial side of this, by the time you get ready you will already be obsolete. This one fact should explain to you that you will never be able to control this so just let it go for free and enjoy the "founder" designation that will ride above all this and outlast everything else you can try to do.

wattsup

PS: I am not going to post anything else on this thread because I do not want to take part in any advancement of anything that is not clear from the beginning. I have had it with Romero style scenarios and am only working on my own devices from now on.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2011, 04:27:01 PM »
This is good news.

1) What are the values of the caps you are loading?

2) 20$ of ACE Hardware stuff and it being so simple to make indicates that this a Level 1 device. You see the hottest potato is Level 1. A Level 5 would be a rather complicated design requiring specialized skills and precision so useability worldwide goes down and hence attracts less attention and stress. Yours is so simple for 20$. This is a Level 1 device and my only suggestion is that you disclose it to the world openly, fully, precisely and freely AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. Don't patent it, don't guard it. Your sanity will depend on you abdicating all interest and disclosing it to the world immediately. I say immediately because any second after you know this will be a waste in time. The great men will give of themselves and know that such a hot potato, although tempting to want to break the wild bronco that all eventually get thrown off of only to hit the hard ground, hence could never be kept secret or saddled, so there could be 100 replications in one week. Then the world will know and you will not have to say one more word. So again, my only responsible suggestion is that you should disclose it to open source immediately in full disclosure. Everything to everyone at the same time so no one can say they were not told. Either that or ever second thereafter could be considered a waste. I am sure you are not surprised of this stance since this is an open source forum on OU devices.

If you are worried about your dues, don't be and it will come. It will come to you as you picture it logically. Anyone willing to manufacture this will know your name and your worth will be set aside. But let the world figure it out instead of you trying to dictate your terms. Patenting this in the USA and not anywhere else is only going to stifle the USA while the world just jumps all over it and overtakes any effort you can try to make. You are only one man, but one that can make so much difference that it cannot be regulated to monetization procedures. So any attempt to commercialize this is simply futile. Just give it for free. Ouch. No one should have to say those words. That's why only a few will. A consolation. Within 3-6 months your device will be considered obsolete once the principle is understood and applied to other conditions, so by the time you painstakingly try to control the commercial side of this, by the time you get ready you will already be obsolete. This one fact should explain to you that you will never be able to control this so just let it go for free and enjoy the "founder" designation that will ride above all this and outlast everything else you can try to do.

wattsup

PS: I am not going to post anything else on this thread because I do not want to take part in any advancement of anything that is not clear from the beginning. I have had it with Romero style scenarios and am only working on my own devices from now on.
This is the reason why I MUST have the patent protection if only in the US. If I do not any group could patent it (and they will) and shelve it. Its simply a proceedure to keep it from being
surpressed.
This is different its open source to all but suppression to none.
Bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2011, 05:19:02 PM »
This is the reason why I MUST have the patent protection if only in the US. If I do not any group could patent it (and they will) and shelve it.

This is not correct.

If an inventor discloses the invention, then it cannot subsequently
be patented. (Unless, of course, the patent application pre-dates
the date of the disclosure).

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2011, 05:34:44 PM »
This is not correct.

If an inventor discloses the invention, then it cannot subsequently
be patented. (Unless, of course, the patent application pre-dates
the date of the disclosure).

Paul-R
I have not yet disclosed the invention and the patent pending is in place

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2011, 05:58:00 PM »

If an inventor discloses the invention, then it cannot subsequently
be patented. (Unless, of course, the patent application pre-dates
the date of the disclosure).

Paul-R

Yes I agree. This is something I looked into extensively before releasing all of my own work. If an invention is fully disclosed in the public domain before a patent is applied for, it is classed as "prior art", and cannot subsequently be patented in that form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art

http://inventors.about.com/od/definations/g/prior_art.htm

In my particular case I chose to open source all of my work in the public domain, including full design schematics and all theory, so that it would be classed as prior art. This served two purposes, firstly it allows anyone interested to build a prototype, and secondly it prevents anyone from patenting the device based on my work and then gaining control of it.

In order to protect my work and ensure it was in the hands of the people I had to relinquish complete control of it, and give it away. "Prior Art" was the only way I could see this working, not having a prototype to present to the patent office. However, I never intended to patent at all, right from the start. I refuse to play "their" games.

The thing about a US patent is... If a big corporation copies your device, mass produces it, and undercuts you in the market place... will you have the funds to mount a patent challenge lawsuit ? So they will go ahead and manufacture it anyway knowing if you challenge them you will bankrupt yourself and also create a huge amount of stress for yourself being tied up in court for years.

RM :)

P.S. The other possibility that I see is that having provided all of the information required to get a patent pending status from the patent office, you may find that a National Security Seal is slapped on it. You would then be prohibited from disclosing the invention publicly, and if you ignored them and did so, might find yourself being prosecuted and going to prison. I suppose that depends on whether you think the patent office is obligated to inform the government of potential threats to National Security... or not ?

Having announced an intention to fully publicly disclose the invention in 2 weeks time or so, between now and then is the window which they have to act if the above scenario is chosen to suppress the invention. Not trying to scare you, just offering my opinion on the possibilities.

RM :)
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2011, 05:59:43 PM »
@All

I somewhat dis-agree with what is being stated. A patent is an opportunity
to find and sue someone who builds a non-theoretically derived version
of the manufactured device. Often at extreme costs to the patenter. So it
really needs to work as part of a corporate stratedgy towards “global”
dominance. For example; The Bell System. It doesn’t preclude someone
from  understanding  the theory of operation and redesigning it according
to potentially improved knowledge of competitive methods conditions
that follows from the development of the device itself.

And it give the opportunity for moneyed interests to purchase the design
and often shelve it, if they desire. Leaving only the rumor of the device
operation.

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A better approach would allow one to get multiple eyes on the physical conditions
surrounding the device to prevent MIB’s from changing the characteristic of
substances and subcomponents that go into the device. This value is created,
and happens by allowing unassociated persons to have a reasonable personal
interest and share in the developmental success of the device.

In the words of one of the founders of Intel: “You succeed by making a device
that works, and then you pin it up for the world to see and paint a target around
it…then you surf the waves of success from increasing the utility derived from
devices functionality.”

Because of this I feel the simplified intent of the original inventor often fails
as these two different behaviors tend to be inverse complements of one another. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2011, 06:52:11 PM »
It's all under control-don't worry.
Bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2011, 07:00:27 PM »
Bill
Last week I became a grandpa ,I made a conscious decision to be Happy,

This week I feel like another baby is about to be Born
Knowing How you feel about this ,and the skills inherent to you.
It allows me to make the same decision.

"Don't Worry" Be Happy............

We're in your corner Bill,Swing for the bleachers!!

Chet

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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2011, 07:08:39 PM »
Glad to hear it Bill  ;D

Congratulations Chet!  ;D

Don't Worry Be Happy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

RM :)

 

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