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Offline powercat

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #300 on: October 13, 2011, 10:47:23 AM »
Hi Bill,
nice work, we would all love to know what's in that paint ? I am guessing that it is some type of marine antifouling that contains metals.
Have you managed to run an LED yet ?

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #301 on: October 13, 2011, 11:41:14 AM »
Connect a Joule thief to a stack of plates?

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #302 on: October 13, 2011, 01:19:59 PM »
As always here be the voice of truth whether you like it or not.  Mags may say I'm a hater, I'm not, I just say it how it is and won't tell you its a cupcake in your hand when it's more than evident your holding a turd.

The test pilots mantra should well be that of the free energy experimenter "dont fly higher than you are willing to fall" which equates to "if you can't take anything but back patting then don't start testing in the first place".

Anyway, if you look at those videos it is VERY clear that a 'fuel' is being expended.  You dont need special analyzers and all sorts of gizmos to examine the plate surface, only the eyes in your head. 
1)  When the plates are still in the water the voltage falls.  This equates to some sort of 'fuel transfer'.
2)  When Bill moves the plates the water 'refreshes' around the reacting plates and hence the voltage momentarily rises.

This is super simple.  At best he has a fuel cell where the plates dont degrade but hydrogen from the water is the fuel (I seriously doubt this).  At average, my guess is that this is plain old galvanics.

Either way, the voltage is so pitifully low with amps even more miserable that you would need a bath tub full to run a joule thief. 

You can purchase fuel cell substrate from 3M and make smaller cells with higher output.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #303 on: October 13, 2011, 01:42:08 PM »
Hi Bill,
Interesting videos. I am interested in knowing how much power this generates.... so far you have only shown voltage which doesn't actually mean much. I am sure you know that volts with out amps is not power and amps with out volts is not power, there needs to be both....

surely it can't be hard to hook up a joule thief to your current set up? any ways, I intend for my comments to be read in a constructive way. Keep up the good work.

Poit

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #304 on: October 13, 2011, 03:55:49 PM »
The purpose of the second video was to show that the device did not need the clips to be submerged for it to work.
Of course I know that the voltage and current is very low on this one module. I have gone way beyond this snall demo in my shop and will be showing that soon enough.
As to the comments by high voltage, the unit stablizes at 300 mv. my camera was running out of time
so I could not show that to your satisfction.
This is not a marine paint it is a substance that I developed. As to a galvanic reaction remember there are no anodes or cathodes which allows for a migration of ions and the subsequent degregation of the anode. Will this degrade over time so far it has not and I have been running a much larger unit for over 5 weeks. Of course everything degrades so I will have to wait and see.
And yes one of of my  units made up of 12 cells will light up a 2.1 v LED  25ma very brightly. In my last test I kept one at maximum brightness for 7 days before I disconnected it.
I will be out for the day.
Bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Offline Lakes

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #305 on: October 13, 2011, 05:41:29 PM »
Will you be treating all your plates to get the "bubble"  effect now? :)

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #306 on: October 13, 2011, 09:05:35 PM »
And yes one of of my  units made up of 12 cells will light up a 2.1 v LED  25ma very brightly. In my last test I kept one at maximum brightness for 7 days before I disconnected it.
I will be out for the day.
Bill

Bill that's great news ;D
any chance of a video showing that LED setup ?
keep up the great work,hopefully the beginning of something big ;D

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #307 on: October 13, 2011, 10:06:54 PM »
First thank you all for the encouragement.
Yes I have been treating all the plates for this "bubble effect" which appears to be increasing the voltage.
I will show some additional videos but not right away. I am beginning today to build a much larger unit to do a lot more than just light LED and yes I plan to incorprate a joule thief.
The cost to  assemble one of these modules is incredibly inexpensive at about 25 cents each.
Since the current increases in direct proportion to plate size this allows me a lot of latitude
in its development.
Tonight I am going to run a test to see if there is a temperature change in the water. I will have 2 other open containers of same size as controls and see if the one holding the module has a delta T.
If it does maybe I have some kind of LERN effect , I really do not know yet. Must likely there will be no change in temp.
Since at this time the power is so low compared to Rossi's E-Cat if there is a LERN effect maybe I could call it the E-Kitty (LOL!!!)

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #308 on: October 13, 2011, 11:11:53 PM »
Hi Bill,
well done.
But to be completely sure, that it is not galvanic,
you also must be sure, that the powder you put onto the
plastic foil does not suck in the moisture from the air and/or the
water.

Did you try it yet with other connections, like poking 2 graphite
pencils onto the foil´s surface ?

2. Does the voltage decrease the lower the disctance is of the connection
on the foil ?

3. Do you have on both sides of the plastic foil this powder and does each clip
lead make contact to both sides ?

4. Is this powder expensive to make or are the ingredients cheaply available ?

5. Is the coating process expensive and does it need much heat = external energy ?

Many thanks for your videos so far.
Maybe you can answer my questions in a new video ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #309 on: October 14, 2011, 01:30:56 AM »
Hi Bill,
well done.
But to be completely sure, that it is not galvanic,
you also must be sure, that the powder you put onto the
plastic foil does not suck in the moisture from the air and/or the
water.

Did you try it yet with other connections, like poking 2 graphite
pencils onto the foil´s surface ?

2. Does the voltage decrease the lower the disctance is of the connection
on the foil ?

3. Do you have on both sides of the plastic foil this powder and does each clip
lead make contact to both sides ?

4. Is this powder expensive to make or are the ingredients cheaply available ?

5. Is the coating process expensive and does it need much heat = external energy ?

Many thanks for your videos so far.
Maybe you can answer my questions in a new video ?

Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan
1. At this point I am still determining if this is a galvanic reaction. I need to continue to remove all the
components that would create a galvanic reaction. Actually a galvanic reaction is not that bad if that what it turns out to be as long as I can limit or eliminate the component degregation-wll have to see on this one. Is it sucking moisture from the water or air-that to be determined.
2. No decrease in voltage from clip placement
3. I am not using plastic foil , it is a hard piece of clear plastic that I cut with my band saw.
4. The coating is on one side and the clip will thus make contact with clear plastic and on the otherside the coating on the plastic.
5. The coating applied with a brush, it will air dry in about an hour I have only used a heat lamp to speed up the drying, leaving it on a little to long created the bubbling effect. The cost of each module is around 25 cents.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #310 on: October 14, 2011, 06:38:49 AM »
Hi Stefan
1. At this point I am still determining if this is a galvanic reaction. I need to continue to remove all the
components that would create a galvanic reaction. Actually a galvanic reaction is not that bad if that what it turns out to be as long as I can limit or eliminate the component degregation-wll have to see on this one. Is it sucking moisture from the water or air-that to be determined.
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Bill, this is Dr. Jones.  Please note that if this is indeed a galvanic reaction, you cannot "eliminate the component degredation", since the galvanic process DEPENDS on a chemical reaction which necessitates degrading at least one of the reacting materials. 

A chemical process is inherently limited -- it cannot go on forever, and it is not overunity (by any reasonable definition). 

You may have a very nice battery and with that thought I wish you the best.
Steve

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #311 on: October 14, 2011, 11:05:18 AM »
Bill, this is Dr. Jones.  Please note that if this is indeed a galvanic reaction, you cannot "eliminate the component degradation", since the galvanic process DEPENDS on a chemical reaction which necessitates degrading at least one of the reacting materials. 

A chemical process is inherently limited -- it cannot go on forever, and it is not overunity (by any reasonable definition). 

You may have a very nice battery and with that thought I wish you the best.
Steve
I believe that logic would dictate that you are correct, I will keep working on it as I am also working on two other devices along a parallel line. As always the journey will be traveled and the goal won  with persistence.
Bill
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #312 on: October 14, 2011, 12:47:56 PM »
Hi Bill,
thanks for the additional infos.

You should try other contact materials other than clip leads.

Just try instead of clip leads -> pencil leads ( graphite) and/or silver wire.

What will these read for voltages and what is the short circuit current on your
digital meter ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: If you have different pickup cables between your digital voltmeter,
like your soldered connection cable, be cautious, this could also
produce error effects.
So just use for instance 2 copper cables from the digital voltmeter
and wrap them without any solder onto 2 graphite pencil leads
and touch with them your plate and don´t put the pencil leads into the water.
Will be interesting to see, what voltage and shortcircuit current this will generate.

Also change the position the pencil leads will point to on your plate and
tell us, if a distance of 5 mm will have the same voltage and current
as a distance of 100 mm.

Many thanks.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #313 on: October 15, 2011, 09:12:30 PM »
   I thought I would add that Lasersaber has made cells that although are entirely galvanic in nature, he has been controlling the oxidation factor by submerging the whole cell into a bath of motor oil.  He is seeing no oxidation with this method. This may indicated that the galvanic reaction is not the cause of the oxidation factor, that ruins the cells in time, but instead it may actually be just moisture and oxygen that are the causing the deterioration and breaking down of the metals.
  To entirely eliminate galvanics (two different metals cell) may also cost the loss of valuable current and voltage levels,  in order to obtain the wanted non galvanic cells. 
   A galvanic cell works by a charging and discharging process, which functions at the expense of the metals, which may not have to be the exact same situation here. As there is no additional charging in this case,  but a continual one way output instead. 
To prove the point is not an easy matter, but that is what many of the current non-galvanic crystal cell builders are now working towards.
  As the saying goes...  Time will Tell...
                                                           NickZ

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #314 on: January 06, 2012, 09:10:09 AM »
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