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Author Topic: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS  (Read 141355 times)

Offline billmehess

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #285 on: October 12, 2011, 07:21:35 AM »
Allow me to answer some questions;

Yes the leads are submerged (you would think they would short out)
Is this a LENR ? To be honest I really do not know , it is interesting though that both my hands are glowing -just joking.
Same reading with lights on or off so not photo sensitive
I can charge a 4900 micro farad 25 volt cap. up to  50 micro farads in 60 seconds so very low current. When the cap is disconnected the system is about 90 ma lower which will "recharge in approx 1 min.
I am not to concerned  with output as I can scale this up, I am attempting to show a new method of generating voltage that does not employ a migration of ions and using a material coating which experiences no degregation.
The temp of the water I will measure over the next 24 hr. to see if there is any delta T.
Bill

My daughter in law just gave birth to my first grand child about 1 hour ago in Portland Oregon. A boy,
all is good on the home front.
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #286 on: October 12, 2011, 07:29:37 AM »
Allow me to answer some questions;

Yes the leads are submerged (you would think they would short out)
Is this a LENR ? To be honest I really do not know , it is interesting though that both my hands are glowing -just joking.
Same reading with lights on or off so not photo sensitive
I can charge a 4900 micro farad 25 volt cap. up to  50 micro farads in 60 seconds so very low current. When the cap is disconnected the system is about 90 ma lower which will "recharge in approx 1 min.
I am not to concerned  with output as I can scale this up, I am attempting to show a new method of generating voltage that does not employ a migration of ions and using a material coating which experiences no degregation.
The temp of the water I will measure over the next 24 hr. to see if there is any delta T.
Bill

My daughter in law just gave birth to my first grand child about 1 hour ago in Portland Oregon. A boy,
all is good on the home front.
Bill
From one Granddad to another congratulations! Glowing hands LOL :D

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #287 on: October 12, 2011, 07:47:37 AM »
So very little understanding of basic science it's shameful.

Bill, get those leads up and TOTALLY out of the water with no 'moisture bridge' on the surface of the plate and then you can start talking about it not being Galvanic.

This was one thing IBpointless didnt understand either with his 'single metal electrolysis' (which he eventually went quiet on).  The fact is you have two or three dissimilar metals in that water right now.  You have 1)  the plate 2) the SS clips and 3) the copper cable not to mention the solder and every other thing.

Magluvin was obviously alluding to this when he asked you that question which you didnt answer.

As far as your story on "no degradation", yes you won't see degradation with the naked eye when the Galvanic reaction is so very low.

The delusion is strong.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #287 on: October 12, 2011, 07:47:37 AM »
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #288 on: October 12, 2011, 07:57:37 AM »
So very little understanding of basic science it's shameful.

Bill, get those leads up and TOTALLY out of the water with no 'moisture bridge' on the surface of the plate and then you can start talking about it not being Galvanic.

This was one thing IBpointless didnt understand either with his 'single metal electrolysis' (which he eventually went quiet on).  The fact is you have two or three dissimilar metals in that water right now.  You have 1)  the plate 2) the SS clips and 3) the copper cable not to mention the solder and every other thing.

Magluvin was obviously alluding to this when he asked you that question which you didnt answer.

As far as your story on "no degradation", yes you won't see degradation with the naked eye when the Galvanic reaction is so very low.

The delusion is strong.
I was thinking the same thing but he said the plate was plastic not metal. So maybe nickel plated clips? If the springs are coated as well.... isn't that just one metal? I did not see the copper cable submerged.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #289 on: October 12, 2011, 08:46:37 AM »
With the plates removed and the leads "dangling" in the water there is a galvanic reaction of about 90 mv. through all three containers .Adding the plates the voltage reading is over 5 times that. The voltmeter is currenty reading 387 mv.
Adding additional containers containing the module and using the same clips will add approx 130 mv and allowing for the 30 mv due to the galvanic reaction of the leads the net gin is till around 100 mv. per container.
Tomorrow I am going to thicken my mixture and "paint" another plastic peice to see if I can increase the output.
Been a long day- going to bed.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #290 on: October 12, 2011, 09:27:43 AM »
With the plates removed and the leads "dangling" in the water there is a galvanic reaction of about 90 mv. through all three containers .Adding the plates the voltage reading is over 5 times that. The voltmeter is currenty reading 387 mv.
Adding additional containers containing the module and using the same clips will add approx 130 mv and allowing for the 30 mv due to the galvanic reaction of the leads the net gin is till around 100 mv. per container.
Tomorrow I am going to thicken my mixture and "paint" another plastic peice to see if I can increase the output.
Been a long day- going to bed.

Bill

You dont seem to understand the concept of galvanics or the relationship between anode/cathode.  Let me save you a lot of time.

Your plastic is merely a substrate...nothing magical is occurring with that.  Your paint obviously has a metalic component and therefore is taking the role of either anode or cathode.

I can't believe I have to spell this out.  In a galvanic series the anode and cathode DO NOT have to be the same size.  Heck you can put a giant plate of zinc in water and then only a small piece of copper and get a good reaction.  This is what is happening with your experiment.  The fact that you placed the clips in the water and produced voltage shows what I was saying is true - there are at least two metals surrounding the clips (be they the spring or solder or copper wire).

Now add to the equation the 'final' plate (your paint) and the series is complete.
 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #291 on: October 12, 2011, 10:47:04 AM »
Hi Bill great to see you sharing  :)
Very interesting work, I do think  highvoltage  has a good point, is there any chance you can make a U shaped plastic plate so that the clips can be attached outside the water and prove or eliminate that argument.

Maybe this will be one of the best performing galvanic reactions we have seen ?

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #292 on: October 12, 2011, 11:39:17 AM »
No need to make a U shape, just submerge most of the plate in the water with clips attached to the top part of the plate that is out of the water.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #293 on: October 12, 2011, 07:47:15 PM »
No need to make a U shape, just submerge most of the plate in the water with clips attached to the top part of the plate that is out of the water.

I would agree that this simple experiment would validate whether there is some thing of real interest with the plates.  If all clips are out of the water and dry but the plates are in the water and you still have a voltage then you really have something of interest.  But if there is no voltage then I would rethink what is going on. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #294 on: October 12, 2011, 10:21:39 PM »
I just got back in, need to go to the hospital to see my new grandon, born yesterday. I will post another youtube video this evening showing the clips completely out of the water.
bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #295 on: October 12, 2011, 10:40:44 PM »
I just got back in, need to go to the hospital to see my new grandon, born yesterday. I will post another youtube video this evening showing the clips completely out of the water.
bill

Enjoy a good cigar and congrats.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #296 on: October 13, 2011, 01:01:03 AM »
Hey Bill

If you reverse the meter leads, does the polarity change? If so, any idea of why there is polarization of charge?

Like, lets say if you reversed the leads on 1 of the plates, would there be a change in total voltage?

Also, if the leads that are on the plastic were the same material, there should not be galvanic, battery action.

Sometimes alligator clips are 1 metal plated with another. And, sometimes the plating doesnt cover completely, especially inside, and if the teeth have been marred.  And the wire, (copper) in the water, these different metals could make charge. 

Just saying, if you have only 1 type of metal in the water on both sides of the plate, this will eliminate these types of charges and just focus on the plate charge. And eliminate suspicion.

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Mags


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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #297 on: October 13, 2011, 06:33:35 AM »
I hope this second video will make things clear. The two connectors are never allowed to get wet.
Bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7klSIifrNsU

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #298 on: October 13, 2011, 07:40:44 AM »
Congrats on the new grandson!   Thanks for the video.  It looks like you learned a way to get a higher voltage in the process too.  I think seeing that last video is going to spark some excitement again.  Looking forward to more good news in the future. 

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« Reply #299 on: October 13, 2011, 08:23:44 AM »
I just had a thought Bill.  I don't have a clue how this is working so this is just wild guess at somthing that might produce an even higher voltage.  Have you tried putting an insulator under one side of one clip and an insulator under the opposite side of the other clip?   So essentially you would be only in electrical contact of opposite sides of the sheet. 

 

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