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Author Topic: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS  (Read 150713 times)

Offline altrez

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #210 on: August 21, 2011, 05:53:15 PM »
Bill
Thank you,
As you know we have Groups of folks here working with a few devices that I feel are quite dangerous to experiment with,and for that reason I don't even attempt it,super High voltage AC DC all manner of Coils and capacitors.

Very scary stuff!

I have often wondered if these high voltage fields "pumped" around the experimenters can have adverse effects on them.
  It is very strange to me how many men I have seen "behind the scenes"
Experimenting on TPU's or whatever.
And they have Heart Issues??
I often Wonder about Otto??

Also Look at ist??[innovationstation] being serious here]

The point is Those devices have issues that yours will not!!
For the experimenter as well as Acceptance into society.

Your small output device is just what is needed around here.
 Passive in nature ,But monstrous in potential!

For the sake of our experimenters as well as the future of our planet
I hope you maintain your resolve !!

God Speed Bill Mehess...............

Chetkremens@gmail.com

Wow I never really consider all that. This is exectly what we need a device that everyone can safley work on. Very intresting read Ramset.

Bill when you decide to release the parts list, I will be more then happy to make a donation to help keep things moving.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #211 on: August 21, 2011, 07:19:16 PM »
You're right, Chet -- no need to respond to ad hominem attacks.  Now back to the science --
don't be asinine professor... i would expect a man of your "qualifications" to know what ad hominem is, you obviously don't... ::) it wasn't ad hominem. i didn't "attack the man". nor is what you are doing "science". you are assuming, speculating and ending with conjecture. you have no schematic, you have no parts list, all you have is assumption, speculation and some voltages... what you are doing is not science by any stretch of the imagination and it most certainly isn't 'rigor' either...

now once again... how about you try out that "rigor without rancor" you talk so much about... starting with rigor. sound like a plan? or are you suggesting that the assumption, speculation and the inevitable conjecture you have been engaging in is rigor?  ::)

if you still think it was ad hominem, then back up your claim... and try not to misrepresent my words as pathetically as you did last time. ::) demonstrate (with quotes) where i ignored your salient points and 'attacked the man'. refusal to do so will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot.

some definitions for the ignorant:
ad hominem - gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an ad hominem or a logical fallacy. in order to become a fallacy, the insult would need to be given as a reason for believing some conclusion. an example would be; "JS is idiotically ignorant [of science], so why should we listen to him now?"

rigor - strict precision : exactness <logical rigor>
         scrupulous or inflexible accuracy or adherence: the logical rigor of mathematics.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #212 on: August 21, 2011, 07:49:13 PM »
@BM

Great, so all is well in Camelot.

Just know that the open source is always here should you need it. Also, if you want to run by your demo procedure before the day, and you need someone to consider possible objections you will get during the demo, I am available by PM. Also, I recommend you communicate with @JouleSeeker via PM should you require some precise technical assistance in terms of how to produce a convincing measurement procedure.  While you are running your circuit, maybe take a small coil that is connected to a volt meter and move it over and around the device to see if it gives you any readings. Try the same thing on known field producing devices you may have lying around so you have a comparable visible method of measuring fields around the device.

Guys will want to bring their own ammeters, volt meters and even magnetometers so you need to know of any stray fields in advance. Maybe try the device with your cell phone beside it to see if it reacts with ore output, then make sure there are no cell phones in the room.

But again, for the record, I see all this fanfare as superfluous and totally unnecessary delay and just say that simply disclosing open source is all you really need to do. The principle of operation is what matters so weather you disclose now at microwatts or in a month at 1/2 a watt, nothing will change in that regard or its main importance, so in the real frame of things, any delay is a major waste of time. But I have to concede that men will want to play their games regardless of the logic and can only hope for a decent outcome. "We shall see", said the blind man.

@ramset

I think of @otto everyday. Sometimes I can even feel stomach cramps when pulsing certain devices. All have to be very attentive to the signals their bodies are receiving. But weather you know it or not, your body is already being bombarded by so many signals just sitting in your living room. That radio clock beside your bed is just nefarious and everything else in your home just shoots out fields every second. I am now even considering turning off the electrical breakers for bedrooms before bedtime so at least during our sleep we can be in an almost  field free environment. Even the fields from the 60hz cycling in the electrical wiring of the home is bad even if nothing is plugged into a wall socket.

But guys working with more concentrated and aggressive field types have to know to keep a close watch. Sudden headaches, tingling, prickling, stomach growls are all signs of an excess of some kind. Most have already experienced such physical effects.

wattsup


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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2011, 09:43:37 PM »

don't be asinine professor...
[...]
demonstrate (with quotes) where i ignored your salient points and 'attacked the man'. refusal to do so will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot.
[...]

i disagree - silence can also be interpreted as an eloquent response:  refusing to be drawn into pointless argument
 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2011, 09:57:45 PM »
i disagree - silence can also be interpreted as an eloquent response:  refusing to be drawn into pointless argument
great, grand, wonderful... perhaps you can demonstrate how it was ad hominem then? or is that more of your "science"? to make a false claim and refuse/fail to back it up when challenged...  the only thing that was "pointless" was to erroneously claim ad hominem in a logically fallacious attempt to disregard the salient points of my post... after his gross misrepresentation of my previous post... ::)

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #215 on: August 22, 2011, 01:11:30 AM »
And no jouleseeker it will not produce 1 watt yet. If this is the standard in which all these devices are going to be judged by then I guess I come up short. Frankly after 3 years on the site this is the first time I have heard of that. I know that this is one of the requirements for the OU prize and maybe that is what you meant

FFS... It doesn't matter if it produces 1 watt at all.

If you have invented/discovered something that produces any amount of energy from absolutely no consumable source and that energy cannot be attributed to any kind of external environmental facor then it doesn't matter.

I'm a coder by trade, science thus far presents a simple, self-proclaimed, indisputable equation of in>=out and the operators in use there are a stretch, at best, because of losses... If you've come up with an indisputable out>in then who cares about the amount of excess ?

If it's a scalable solution, it's out>in and and people aren't interested in seeing that and trying to figure out why it's happening then I cannot for the life of me figure out why... If you were in my country (UK) I would come and try and poke holes in your invention/discovery if I could if you could just (WTF?) demonstrate the simple principle of out>in.

Seriously, if you're talking verifiable out>in it is a world breaker.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #216 on: August 22, 2011, 03:09:25 AM »
AHHHH "W"[Wilby}
The fisher of Men......................

Musta been another lousy day of fishin out on the boat?

Chet

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #217 on: August 22, 2011, 04:09:37 AM »
@RAMSET:
I used to quietly observe the work of IST back when he was making videos of a self running motor he claimed was legitimate; however, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now if it was.

Since IST’s self running motor claim, I haven’t continued to follow his work.  Is there something that has happened to IST that is possibly the result of exposure to high voltage fields (or over-exposure)? 

Chess

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2011, 06:38:25 AM »
FFS... It doesn't matter if it produces 1 watt at all.

If you have invented/discovered something that produces any amount of energy from absolutely no consumable source and that energy cannot be attributed to any kind of external environmental facor then it doesn't matter.

I'm a coder by trade, science thus far presents a simple, self-proclaimed, indisputable equation of in>=out and the operators in use there are a stretch, at best, because of losses... If you've come up with an indisputable out>in then who cares about the amount of excess ?

If it's a scalable solution, it's out>in and and people aren't interested in seeing that and trying to figure out why it's happening then I cannot for the life of me figure out why... If you were in my country (UK) I would come and try and poke holes in your invention/discovery if I could if you could just (WTF?) demonstrate the simple principle of out>in.

Seriously, if you're talking verifiable out>in it is a world breaker.

Well that would be true as long as the cost (eventual cost in production mode) to produce useful power is = or < the cost of other clean energy sources.  However if it costs 20 times as much to get the same power as solar or wind than it becomes merely an interesting novelty or at best a subject for further study to see if it could become cost effective.  I did like Bill's analogy of the Wright brothers first flight.  It obviously started small but over the course of some years became huge.  We can hope for this with Bill's device too. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #219 on: August 22, 2011, 10:26:13 AM »
Well that would be true as long as the cost (eventual cost in production mode) to produce useful power is = or < the cost of other clean energy sources.  However if it costs 20 times as much to get the same power as solar or wind than it becomes merely an interesting novelty or at best a subject for further study to see if it could become cost effective.  I did like Bill's analogy of the Wright brothers first flight.  It obviously started small but over the course of some years became huge.  We can hope for this with Bill's device too.

Well, I see your point about scalability and production costs but I think it's the underlying principle that's the world breaker, not the production of useful power.

Right now the scientific community has a mindset of "You can't get more out than you put in, that's the law, you can't prove otherwise and if you try I'll just mock you until you stop wasting everyone's time." but if that's not the case in this instance then this mindset has no alternative but to change to "It's possible to get more out than you put in."

It doesn't matter if you can power a house, a LED or simply show measurable output because it's coming from nothing and, right now, science on the whole says that cannot happen, ever... It validates this site and it also validates every attempt in history to achieve what science claims, somewhat dogmatically, to be impossible. 

That, to me at least, is the world breaker!

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #220 on: August 22, 2011, 12:39:45 PM »
Chess
Regarding ist ,It is my opinion that he was making himself a little Crazy
by Electro shock ............

Thats all just my Opinion,However pulsing a microwave transformer thru an antennae [coil]on a regular basis in close proximity to your brain ??

My point is ,working with an itty bitty "event" that you understand
and can scale up Is a million times better than firing up Giggawatt
Coils just to see what "might" happen!

Chet

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #221 on: August 22, 2011, 10:01:44 PM »
What is your problem, WilbyInebriated? you wrote:

you have no schematic, you have no parts list, all you have is assumption, speculation and some voltages... what you are doing is not science by any stretch of the imagination and it most certainly isn't 'rigor' either...

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Yet, you recently referred (see attached) to a thread I started months ago on the sj1 circuit, where indeed I present my schematic diagrams and even parts specifications.  And photos of the device and results.  Is this not science?  what are you talking about?

 This is a thread for discussing Bill's (largely undefined) device and certainly not for attacking a particular person, which I referred to as "ad hominem [" to the man"] attacks".   Interesting in the attached, you ask TheSchuss
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"which specific comment of mine did you think was 'snide' and/or offensive?"

Is this your modus, to go around making offensive remarks and then when there is a rejoinder, to demand "which specific comment of mine did you think was 'snide' and/or offensive?"  Not a very interesting or productive game, IMO.  I won't join you in that game.
(Why not start over, friend, and stick with more scientific issues than what "ad hominem attacks" means, and demanding quotes of your specific comments?)
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #222 on: August 22, 2011, 10:11:11 PM »
    Bill, your previous youtube vids were of home-made cells or batteries, like your water+lemon-juice cell, with copper and zinc (galvanized) that I cited/URL earlier.

    We still don't know what you're going to announce in mid-Sept, but if indeed it is another cell with dissimilar metals (without a liquid electrolyte), I would hope that you would give credit to those researchers who have done similar work.  Here's just one example, by Lidmotor -- a two-penny cell without a liquid electrolyte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTdvUUAQ0to&feature=uploademail

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #223 on: August 23, 2011, 12:26:11 AM »
What is your problem, WilbyInebriated? you wrote:

Yet, you recently referred (see attached) to a thread I started months ago on the sj1 circuit, where indeed I present my schematic diagrams and even parts specifications.  And photos of the device and results.  Is this not science?  what are you talking about?
making assumptions, speculation and the inevitable conjecture about bill's device when you have no schematic, no parts list, just some times and voltages is not science nor what i wold call 'rigor'. what are you talking about?

This is a thread for discussing Bill's (largely undefined) device and certainly not for attacking a particular person, which I referred to as "ad hominem [" to the man"] attacks".   Interesting in the attached, you ask TheSchuss
Is this your modus, to go around making offensive remarks and then when there is a rejoinder, to demand "which specific comment of mine did you think was 'snide' and/or offensive?"  Not a very interesting or productive game, IMO.  I won't join you in that game.
(Why not start over, friend, and stick with more scientific issues than what "ad hominem attacks" means, and demanding quotes of your specific comments?)
this was a thread where bill announced his intentions to demo a device at the end of august. it was then turned into an attempt to get him to modify his plan to suit the various agendas of others. all i have been doing is asking that a little patience, respect and professionalism (by waiting until the demo and not acting like an impetuous child by constantly hounding him for more info or to change his plan, etc. ad infintum, ad nauseam) be shown. what my 'modus' may or may not be is a logical fallacy (attacking the man) and thus, irrelevant. speaking of modus... try and address the salient points of my post instead of this constant misrepresentation and redirection.

now once again... how about you try out that "rigor without rancor" you talk so much about... starting with rigor. which would be to behave professionally and wait until the 31st. sound like a plan? or are you suggesting that the assumption, speculation and the inevitable conjecture you have been engaging in is rigor?  ::)

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« Reply #224 on: August 23, 2011, 01:10:07 AM »
    I don't think I've been behaving like an "impetuous child", WilbyInebriated and I find your insinuation offensive.      As I wrote to Bill, one can learn a lot from the output power, and he graciously made measurements on that.

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wait until the 31st. sound like a plan?

Aug. 31st would be fine-- but if you will read the thread, that date has been delayed.

 

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