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#### CuriousChris

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« Reply #180 on: August 19, 2011, 10:04:00 AM »
Quote
joule seeker says the wattage is 150 mw or .000015

Did you mean milliwatts or microwatts? I am assuming milliwatts.

mw = milliwatts
Âµw = microwatts
1000 mw = 1 watt

so 150mw = 0.15w (not 0.000015 which is 15Âµw)

Power = current * voltage (P = IV)
A very important note here, voltage must be either DC or RMS.

0.15 = 2.5(I)
.: I = 0.15 / 2.5 = 0.06

I = 6mA (0.06A)

More than enough to drive an LED

CC

Edit:

it was 0.15mw(150Âµw) not 15mw

So your calculation is out by a factor of 10.

As Pirate88179 is alluding to. its not the fact you are using LED's its more about how you are driving them.

#### altrez

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« Reply #181 on: August 19, 2011, 12:43:43 PM »
Bill,

LEDs can be lit very easily from almost any small voltage source. Can you please try to hook up a small motor or Joule Thief to your device? That would put this all to rest and show you have some real power!

Great work!

-Altrez

#### Jack Noskills

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« Reply #182 on: August 19, 2011, 01:03:14 PM »

#### wattsup

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« Reply #183 on: August 19, 2011, 02:15:23 PM »
You're right, Chet -- no need to respond to ad hominem attacks.  Now back to the science --
Thanks, Bill, for these measurements.  But I need to check your "decimal point" --

E = 1/2 C V**2, here's what I noted:  60,000 uf cap is the same as 60 milliFarads, 60mF,
so we have (taking V on the cap as 0.55V, a rough average):

P = E/t = [1/2 60mF (0.55V)**2]/60 s = 0.15mW = 0.15 MILLIwatts = 150 microwatts.

This is a considerable improvement from the other day, but still below one milliwatt.

@JS

The problem is using  a 60000uf capacitor, you will not be able to bring it down to 0 volts. As soon as your short is open, voltage can rise on its own up to the levels mentioned.

@billmehess

Honestly, I think your call for a demo on the 31st is rather premature. Obviously you are not really ready as I see this is more in a scrambling mode to get something to work half decently. Getting all these people to come in and see a few microwatts (with three modules) in action is not exactly demo material. You will need to provide a fail proof demo showing all the factors in action and that will be difficult at that level in order to cancel all other outside interactions.

Again this is one of the reasons you need to just disclose your build like anyone else on these forums so guys can look into it with you and not through you. It's time to get back down to Earth level and deal with the reality.

@JS mentioned he is available so you have one of the best guys on your side as well as may others here and around the world. If there is something novel is your device, don't worry these guys will HELP YOU find it, explain it, show it and apply it at its maximum effort. But I think the time for playing demo games with the grand trumpets sounding, should subside and I think you will be best served as open source. Patenting a microwatt is not a smart move. I have also lit LEDs when consuming microwatts. Many have.

With all due respect, it's time to open up the basket. It's your call. Hope you make the right decisions. If you want some posterity give your device a name like the "BM Ether Cruncher" or whatever and your name will be in there at every turn.

wattsup

#### billmehess

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« Reply #184 on: August 19, 2011, 04:26:54 PM »
How interesting I rather thought the value in the exercise was to develop and show a device that had 0 input with a measureable and verifyable output, as well as using no consumables. How much clearer is it than that to for the very first time show a device that is truely overunity.
The ability to light a LED also would show real world application.
Guess I was wrong.
I am going to take your advice Wattup and cancel the demo. I will continue my work and really "beef up" the device to do what ever is necessary to "knock the socks off" in a demo.
This demo was going to cost me quite a bit of money so I will use that for future work.
As always I hold everyone at OU.com in the very highest regards.
Bill

#### powercat

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« Reply #185 on: August 19, 2011, 11:02:18 PM »
@JS

The problem is using  a 60000uf capacitor, you will not be able to bring it down to 0 volts. As soon as your short is open, voltage can rise on its own up to the levels mentioned.

@billmehess

Honestly, I think your call for a demo on the 31st is rather premature. Obviously you are not really ready as I see this is more in a scrambling mode to get something to work half decently. Getting all these people to come in and see a few microwatts (with three modules) in action is not exactly demo material. You will need to provide a fail proof demo showing all the factors in action and that will be difficult at that level in order to cancel all other outside interactions.

Again this is one of the reasons you need to just disclose your build like anyone else on these forums so guys can look into it with you and not through you. It's time to get back down to Earth level and deal with the reality.

@JS mentioned he is available so you have one of the best guys on your side as well as may others here and around the world. If there is something novel is your device, don't worry these guys will HELP YOU find it, explain it, show it and apply it at its maximum effort. But I think the time for playing demo games with the grand trumpets sounding, should subside and I think you will be best served as open source. Patenting a microwatt is not a smart move. I have also lit LEDs when consuming microwatts. Many have.

With all due respect, it's time to open up the basket. It's your call. Hope you make the right decisions. If you want some posterity give your device a name like the "BM Ether Cruncher" or whatever and your name will be in there at every turn.

wattsup

Hi Wattsup
I agree with what you said, I did some tests some time ago using a washer a piece of paper and a magnet, I managed and produce millivolts without any input  unfortunately it was to unstable for any practical use,
I do hope that billmehess has found the answer to the world's energy needs,
And now that Bill has had second thoughts about the demo hopefully we'll get some more detail on his device.

#### altrez

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« Reply #186 on: August 19, 2011, 11:26:32 PM »
Bill,

I would ask you to reconsider and at least show your work. If not, you are acting just like every other person who comes on here makes HUGE claims of having an overunity device and than makes up some reason not to prove it.

I can asure you that if you have such a device money will not be an issue.

Take Care,

-Altrez

#### Lakes

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« Reply #187 on: August 20, 2011, 12:21:43 AM »
Disclose to a select trusted few Bill, people that can help you develop your device further, with an NDA agreement if want, but don`t throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

#### ElectricGoose

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« Reply #188 on: August 20, 2011, 02:13:09 AM »
This demo was going to cost me quite a bit of money so I will use that for future work.
Bill

LMAO...the demo in your garage was going to cost you money?

Perhaps you have come to the realization the greatest cost was going to be to your pride now that you have well and truly shown you know nothing of the behaviour of capacitors and cannot event stoke spark in a led.

This always was a junk claim as have been Bills previous claims.  Go back to selling Chinese violins.

#### dougotio

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« Reply #189 on: August 20, 2011, 04:11:22 AM »
I want to thank Bill for what he is trying to do, and tell him to ignore the impolite donkies. I think that those with the math are probably not to be ignored completely, but with that I would suggest that Bill does not deserve to be put down in a most discusting way as has been expressed here by a few. You are smart...we get it. What about a little politeness here. I live this stuff and want to here & see everything that comes down the pike. To me all this stuff is just plain fun. Bill has a plane lets see how it works out for him.
I do along with Bill, recognize that he may have more research to do. But I admire his enthusiasm.
Lets try to help and make suggestions with out the rancor that is shown by some.

Bill, go back to the black board and give it heck. Most of us are pulling for you.
Remember, Bill    "Illegitimi non carborundum"

Dougtio

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« Reply #190 on: August 20, 2011, 05:22:15 AM »
Great! just what we need, another sucker being eaten alive.

#### dougotio

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« Reply #191 on: August 20, 2011, 05:38:49 AM »
what I live by: "Illegitimi non carborundum"

#### ramset

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« Reply #192 on: August 20, 2011, 08:37:17 AM »
This forum is all about Open Source, E Goose has said "I got it"
But I'm not tellin!
Bitter is as bitter does!

Bill I really Don't get what Your're doing here ,seems like you took half of Watts up"s advice .

Thats not working for you Huh??

If you want to change the world ,you can't do it alone.
There is a very high ratio of "good guys" here,much more so than the general population,men that come here for no other purpose than to leave this world a better place.

For the children ,the suffering ,and a better Planet...........
I strongly feel you are one of these men.

You want to figure this out ?
Take the rest Of Watts Up's advice!

Time ...........a luxury we shouldn't take for granted!

Chet

« Last Edit: August 20, 2011, 09:23:40 AM by ramset »

#### CuriousChris

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• Posts: 280
« Reply #193 on: August 20, 2011, 10:04:37 AM »
Bill I really Don't get what Your're doing here ,seems like you took half of Watts up"s advice .

Thats not working for you Huh??

In Bills defence, when you have an idea for an invention, It's your baby. Its a very personal thing. Some people will happily throw their ideas to the wind, in my experience it usually means the idea is incomplete. They think its a great idea but want others to develop it. But when the idea is your own and you want to take it to the finish line, It's very hard to let go of.

I know I can't.

The things I believe will work, I want to finish, those ideas that didn't work, well I am glad I kept them to myself.

CC

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