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Author Topic: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS  (Read 143842 times)

Offline Paul-R

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #165 on: August 18, 2011, 06:58:02 PM »

5.  Let's take roughly 1 kW to run a house (a low estimate I believe) --
The figure often quoted is 2.5 Kw.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #166 on: August 18, 2011, 07:51:37 PM »
I spent about 12 hours in my shop adding my upgrades here are this morning results, I will be running tests all day long and over the weekend to see if these hold up

First I am using just 3 modules and a 60,000 uf cap.

Time         Start voltage        end voltage         Cap voltage

8:30 am     2.106 volts             2.256 volts          .562 volts
9:00 am      2.115                    2.256                  .563
9.15 am      2.136                     2.261                  .573
9.45am       2.199                    2.285                   .555
10 am         2.202                     2.290                  .540
10:15 am    2.195                    2.276                   .539
10:30am     2.213                    2.285                    .538

The ending voltage is the voltage after 15 minutes when I disconnect the cap. I short out the cap during that time to restart from  a 0.00 reading of the cap.
The test is now done for 60 seconds not 1 hr or 3600 sec.

The device has always showed a increase in voltage even after running the load.
using  E= 1/2 cv (squared) and dividing by 60 sec. wattage is now .145 watts 
Also these three are now running in series. Adding modules in parallel will increase the wattage.
It's a mystery.
Bill       
« Last Edit: August 18, 2011, 08:12:52 PM by billmehess »

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #167 on: August 18, 2011, 08:11:55 PM »
  WillyInebriated -- you quoted me out of context.  I was seconding a commendable suggestion made by e2matrix,
  This is not a "childish" idea, but a commendable one.
i didn't quote you out of context... nor did i suggest it was a childish idea. don't be asinine. i said bill has a plan, which he has already explained. stop behaving like an impetuous child by repeatedly pestering him to modify his plan to suit your impatience and repeatedly pestering him for further info. perhaps you should try some of that rigor without rancor you talk about... starting with rigor instead of this assumption followed by speculation, resulting in inevitable conjecture... sounds like a plan? what do you think?

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #167 on: August 18, 2011, 08:11:55 PM »
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #168 on: August 18, 2011, 09:02:38 PM »
HHMMMM

Bill
Looks like you just whacked a few hundred Million bucks [at least]  off the Cost per Watt?

Steve
"W" sounds Cranky? I guess he didn't catch any fish yesterday??
So Now he's fishin for Jouleseekers?

Don't do it Steve !!
Don't Bite!!




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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #169 on: August 18, 2011, 10:04:40 PM »
I spent about 12 hours in my shop adding my upgrades here are this morning results, I will be running tests all day long and over the weekend to see if these hold up

First I am using just 3 modules and a 60,000 uf cap.

Time         Start voltage        end voltage         Cap voltage

8:30 am     2.106 volts             2.256 volts          .562 volts
9:00 am      2.115                    2.256                  .563
9.15 am      2.136                     2.261                  .573
9.45am       2.199                    2.285                   .555
10 am         2.202                     2.290                  .540
10:15 am    2.195                    2.276                   .539
10:30am     2.213                    2.285                    .538

The ending voltage is the voltage after 15 minutes when I disconnect the cap. I short out the cap during that time to restart from  a 0.00 reading of the cap.
The test is now done for 60 seconds not 1 hr or 3600 sec.

The device has always showed a increase in voltage even after running the load.
using  E= 1/2 cv (squared) and dividing by 60 sec. wattage is now .145 watts 
Also these three are now running in series. Adding modules in parallel will increase the wattage.
It's a mystery.
Bill     

Looking good :) How long does it take to fill a cap to one of the starting voltages? Say this one "10:30am 2.213"? If my math is right then its just about 1 hour?

Thanks!

-Altrez

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #169 on: August 18, 2011, 10:04:40 PM »
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #170 on: August 18, 2011, 11:00:13 PM »
Each test run is for 60 seconds when the run is finished disconnect the cap and short it to return its reading to 0.00 for the next test.
The device always goes up in voltage after the run. There is usually a 15 min pause between each run so the cap and short and the voltage stablize. The device is not charging anything at that time.
Darn good performance increase would'nt you say?
Bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #171 on: August 18, 2011, 11:36:43 PM »
Each test run is for 60 seconds when the run is finished disconnect the cap and short it to return its reading to 0.00 for the next test.
The device always goes up in voltage after the run. There is usually a 15 min pause between each run so the cap and short and the voltage stablize. The device is not charging anything at that time.
Darn good performance increase would'nt you say?
Bill

Heck yeah! How long for cap to reach input voltage? Have you tested that?

-Altrez

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #171 on: August 18, 2011, 11:36:43 PM »
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #172 on: August 18, 2011, 11:37:42 PM »
You're right, Chet -- no need to respond to ad hominem attacks.  Now back to the science --
Thanks, Bill, for these measurements.  But I need to check your "decimal point" --

I spent about 12 hours in my shop adding my upgrades here are this morning results, I will be running tests all day long and over the weekend to see if these hold up

First I am using just 3 modules and a 60,000 uf cap.

Time         Start voltage        end voltage         Cap voltage

8:30 am     2.106 volts             2.256 volts          .562 volts
9:00 am      2.115                    2.256                  .563
9.15 am      2.136                     2.261                  .573
9.45am       2.199                    2.285                   .555
10 am         2.202                     2.290                  .540
10:15 am    2.195                    2.276                   .539
10:30am     2.213                    2.285                    .538

The ending voltage is the voltage after 15 minutes when I disconnect the cap. I short out the cap during that time to restart from  a 0.00 reading of the cap.
The test is now done for 60 seconds not 1 hr or 3600 sec.

The device has always showed a increase in voltage even after running the load.
using  E= 1/2 cv (squared) and dividing by 60 sec. wattage is now .145 watts 
Also these three are now running in series. Adding modules in parallel will increase the wattage.
It's a mystery.
Bill     

E = 1/2 C V**2, here's what I noted:  60,000 uf cap is the same as 60 milliFarads, 60mF,
so we have (taking V on the cap as 0.55V, a rough average):

P = E/t = [1/2 60mF (0.55V)**2]/60 s = 0.15mW = 0.15 MILLIwatts = 150 microwatts.

This is a considerable improvement from the other day, but still below one milliwatt. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #173 on: August 19, 2011, 03:59:34 AM »
I hate to say this Bill but you seem to be stuck in a quantum mili-Loop.  In your thread on the Peltiers you were quoting around 3700 watts.  Actual as was pointed out by a number of sharp eyed members was 3.8 watts.  So you were getting roughly 1/1000th of what you first said.  Now you are saying .145 watts (or 145 milliwatts)  but I'm sorry I have to trust the PhD's calcs on this he's saying 150 microwatts or 0.150 milliwatts which is again 1/1000th of what you said.  The Quantum mili-Loop has you like the Matrix had Neo at the start.  ;)    Hopefully you'll escape the QmL. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #174 on: August 19, 2011, 04:28:40 AM »
Sounds like someone else is a fisherman here.   Gabriel device time.   Just need that steel doughnut now.  This storyline is very familiar and worn out.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #175 on: August 19, 2011, 05:49:52 AM »
I hate to say this Bill but you seem to be stuck in a quantum mili-Loop.  In your thread on the Peltiers you were quoting around 3700 watts.  Actual as was pointed out by a number of sharp eyed members was 3.8 watts.  So you were getting roughly 1/1000th of what you first said.  Now you are saying .145 watts (or 145 milliwatts)  but I'm sorry I have to trust the PhD's calcs on this he's saying 150 microwatts or 0.150 milliwatts which is again 1/1000th of what you said.  The Quantum mili-Loop has you like the Matrix had Neo at the start.  ;)    Hopefully you'll escape the QmL.


Exactly what I was thinking.  This business sounds very much like John Hutchison's open source crystal free energy battery system. Each battery delivers about 1 milliwatt and you need a thousand to get a measly watt.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #176 on: August 19, 2011, 07:25:53 AM »
Then why can I light a 2.1 volt 25 ma LED

current voltage is 2.525 volts under the load of the LED it drops and maintains at 2.362 volts
Its 9:50 pm in Oregon I will run it all night and check the voltage, which also has been going up all day.

Guys, I real appreciate all your help here, you are all the best!
Bill
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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #177 on: August 19, 2011, 08:01:58 AM »
Led data sheets show that the luminosity of an led varies with amp draw. You can light an led from under a milliamp up to it's maximum and the brightness will vary accordingly. So it all depends on how bright the led is. The graphs are usually a straight line indicating that the brightness is directly proportional to the amp draw. You can also light up an led from a crystal radio set.That is why you have been encouraged to light up an incandescent light. Or you could drive a small electric motor or fan. That's real power.
Good luck.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #178 on: August 19, 2011, 08:25:40 AM »
Ok lets run the numbers

joule seeker says the wattage is 150 mw or .000015
voltage is 2.5 volts

we know that

wattage= voltage x amperage

then
.000015=2.5v(amps)

voltage divided into watts gives us a amperage of .000006 or 6 microamps. Google says that a LED can use very low amperage, with its norm being 20-25 ma. And on the low side 1 ma to 2 ma.
What am I missing here?
But the LED is lighting looks like real world application to me. And this is with only 3 modules that have been under a load for 11 hours and after the load (60000 mf cap.) was removed continued to raise in value.
My hat is off to all your really bright people out there so please explain how or why this is happening
Bill

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #179 on: August 19, 2011, 10:00:27 AM »
Bill:


LED's are funny things.  In my early experiments, it used to take like you said, 20-25 mA's to light up each one.  But, in working with the joule thief circuit, we found that they will also light on mostly volts and/or frequency.  This is how I was able to light over 400 leds from my earth battery and also from a single AA battery.  If you do the math (which I suck at) those 400 leds should not light up at all from my input.  But what we had going for us was high voltage/high frequency.  I hope this helps a little bit.

Great work man, keep it up.

Bill

 

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