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Author Topic: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS  (Read 140741 times)

Offline billmehess

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #150 on: August 17, 2011, 04:15:58 PM »
I understand your concern please review what I have claimed.

Voltage in = 0
Voltage out = 800 mv
No electrolytes
No consumables
No heat produced
No emissions
Yes the power (wattage) is low on my bench model
I will be begining today to add my upgrades to increase the power output.
I have never claimed that I am going to show a device that will run a car but a device that is producing a steady output of  energy with NO INPUT. This device is very scaleable.
Don't be concerned at this point about the low wattage reading I expected that. I have the solutions.
I am moving at a logical pace and my methodolgy is solid.
I will be in my shop all day and do not plan to even look at this site until tonight-to distracting.
Bill

To the comment above this one-  Thanks Willy Right you are!
Sorry repeat of above one of these days I will actually learn how to use this site

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Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #151 on: August 17, 2011, 04:24:58 PM »
 Bill,  I sincerely wish you well in your scaling-up efforts.

The short essay below is based on a post in another forum back in March, and i recommend it still:

  I have been active in novel-energy research since the early 1980's beginning with my research in muon-catalyzed fusion.  See, for example, my paper in Nature 1986:
S.E. Jones, "Muon-Catalysed Fusion Revisited," (Invited article) Nature 321: 127-133 (1986).

   I share with many of you an overall goal of seeking for and promoting novel energy sources -- with scientific RIGOR including careful measurements -- without RANCOR or mocking.  I have found  this forum to provide a decent venue to promote rigor while -- for the most part-- avoiding mocking and rancor.  That's why I'm here.

I have at my home electronics bench an ATTEN 1062C digital storage oscilloscope, a DC power supply and a self-ranging multimeter, and a decent supply of transistors, resistors, inductors, capacitors, LED's, wire, etc.   At the University from which I retired after a career of physics research and teaching for over twenty years, I have access to more expensive scopes such as a Tektronix 3032 ( which will calculate MEAN power) as well as function generators, gaussmeters, etc.  I now live in the country, but I drive up to the university from time to time.   IOW, I have some pretty decent test equipment available -- and I would be glad to use to it to test YOUR novel-energy device, if you claim it meets the criteria below.

I would define a "novel energy" (NE) device that has merit for science and for society as follows -- here are my criteria at this time:

1.  Energy from a non-conventional source.  This excludes:  fossil fuels and biomass burning, solar (including wind and wave power), geothermal, nuclear fission or fusion (although I should not exclude cold fusion -- but see point 3).  It does not exclude:  earth's gravitational or magnetic fields, galactic magnetic fields.  Even currently unknown sources are allowable -- and sought.

2.  More power out than in (that is, efficiency n = Pout/Pin > 1), also known as "overunity" (OU).  This does not mean that principles of physics such as conservation of energy are (necessarily) violated.  It does imply a novel energy source.  Multiple methods of measurement are preferable, but the experimental method and the measurements must bear scrutiny (e.g., a peer-reviewed paper would be great!)

3.  The observation of OU must be repeatable.  A device must work every time specified conditions are met.  Successful replication must be demonstrated also.

4.  The power output must be capable of scaling up.  (Unlike extracting tiny currents from a magnet or iron pyrite, for example.) To be more than a curiosity, a scaled-up working device should produce at least tens of watts.

5.  I would prefer that results and inventions be freely available worldwide -- certainly not controlled by some big corporation or government entity.  A benefit to humanity is sought, not beaucoup-bucks for an elite few.

6.  If a theoretical model is claimed, the basis of that model needs to be empirically demonstrated. 

I welcome comments on the stated criteria, which I may amend as time goes on.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 05:10:38 PM by JouleSeeker »

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #152 on: August 17, 2011, 07:56:29 PM »
All good points Dr. Jones!  And to put it simply it has been my concern from the start that this at least has the potential to be real world useful while being affordable.  If it is does not have that potential than it is just a novelty to be further scrutinized to see if there is any real world use.  If not than it's just a science toy.  I had run some calulations similar to yours and was finding similar results.  However I think we just need to wait and see as Bill has stated he has plans for a 1 kilowatt unit.  At this point I'm not sure anyone, even Bill knows if that will be affordable and real world usable but we can hope with refinement it will be. 

    My main concern now is that Bill gets to show this and that what he is showing does not have any major errors in measurements so he will garner the positive attention with any public demonstrations.  I sense that is why many here will continue to ask questions, not out of disbelief in Bill or intending anything negative but to help in his quest to move forward.  I wish him all success but I do wish he could share here with at least you and maybe one or two other trusted people here the details of his concept before going public.  Doing so with a limited time NDA would be ideal IMO. 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Offline Thaelin

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #153 on: August 17, 2011, 07:58:36 PM »
Hi Bill:
   The way I see this, at 800mv, it should power a julethief circuit. That being enough to light up led's for lights for nothing. I cringe at what it costs me now just to run lights.  I am going to really try and be there. My job gave me a flat "NO" for the day off.
   Can you tell me what the event time will be? As long as I am back and in bed by 2PM, I can handle it. So before noon would be great to hear. Rock the house.

thay

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #154 on: August 17, 2011, 10:31:02 PM »
SSOOOoooo W ,
You still doin the wednesday night poker games??

Took a bunch of the fellahs fishin today Huh? was gettin a bit noisy?

Still have me on ignore Huh?
Listen ,I didn't want to let the little fishy's go on the last fishin trip But
They were Staring at Me   :o :o :o.............
SORRY
Will you ever take me fishing again? or take me off ignore?

Well you're still a nice man Wilby ,I hope you win tonight.......

Chet

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #155 on: August 18, 2011, 12:58:39 AM »
Hi folks, Hi Bill, do you consider tap water to be an electrolyte, just wondering as i saw your videos and filled a little glass and used steel bolt and copper and I got around 800 millivots.
I as well look forward to what you will be sharing.
peace love light
tyson

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #156 on: August 18, 2011, 01:56:23 AM »
Hi folks, Hi Bill, do you consider tap water to be an electrolyte, just wondering as i saw your videos and filled a little glass and used steel bolt and copper and I got around 800 millivots.
I as well look forward to what you will be sharing.
peace love light
tyson

Hi tyson,  somewhere back in this thread Bill said 'solid state' and 'no liquids' so I don't think it's like a previous work he did with those liquid cells I saw in one of his video's. 


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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Offline NerzhDishual

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #157 on: August 18, 2011, 02:44:55 AM »

OK, Physics Prof Steven E. Jones.
No need, IMHO, to  mention your credentials.

It is a real pleasure to have such a person like you in this very forum.
Yes, you kinda sold you out to the "enemy". Did you ?
I mean: the "enemy" is the "Free NRG" crowd.
Thanks again.

Very Best

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #158 on: August 18, 2011, 03:02:42 AM »
@CuriousChris

Just my tuppence worth: my intuition and my left brain too, tell me that you are a very perfidious (= tückisch in German) person.

I have no maths to backup this statement.
Anyway: Very Best.

 

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
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Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #159 on: August 18, 2011, 08:01:37 AM »
  E2matrix raises a very good idea, IMO -- a non-disclosure agreement that has a Limited Duration, so that the person agrees to stay quiet for a time, not forever.  In this way, trusted fellows could be involved in a replication, Bill, and yet they would keep it quiet until AFTER your announcement on Wed 31 Aug.
Sounds like a plan -- what do you think?

OK, Physics Prof Steven E. Jones.
No need, IMHO, to  mention your credentials.

It is a real pleasure to have such a person like you in this very forum.
Yes, you kinda sold you out to the "enemy". Did you ?
I mean: the "enemy" is the "Free NRG" crowd.
Thanks again.

Very Best

I'm not sure what you mean by this...  would you explain?
"Thanks again." and "Very Best" have positive connotations, but "kinda sold you out to the 'enemy'" has negative connotations and so your meaning is obscure (to me).  Pls explain your meaning.

Just so you know, I have been working on non-conventional energy for about three decades, beginning with my research on muon-catalyzed fusion.

Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #160 on: August 18, 2011, 08:44:49 AM »
I have one comment regarding 'there is no such thing as OU' some people seem to think.

Just take look at Thane's BiTT. It has been verified by third party and it gives more out than goes in. Theory of operation is simple to understand and it is very easy to build. Even I managed to build one using scrap material and I got about 1.85 COP, 26 watts out for free. It feels nice to think that I was able to build a better transformer than any commercial trafo out there as they all have COP < 1.

But immediately this raises my concern, since OU is so simple, why I cannot buy OU trafos from my local store ? Surely OU trafo would be a successfull product and with a bit of tuning using better core materials a guaranteed success.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #161 on: August 18, 2011, 04:02:41 PM »
Sounds like a plan -- what do you think?
bill already has a plan... which is to demo it on the 31st.  -- i think you should stop behaving like an impetuous child, show a little patience and respect... and wait 'till the 31st... ::)

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #162 on: August 18, 2011, 04:19:34 PM »
No Steve
You need to ,Must ............Have to,
Look here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-42.html
Excerpt

The “transmission time” viewpoint allows us view the second assumption of Newton’s Third Law as an assumption of absolute time (or absolute simultaneity), if the action is at a distance. This assumption continues despite the reality that the “reaction” of a body to an externally applied force can not be simultaneous with the initial application (the “action”) of the external force. This profound restriction on Newton’s Law brings time into the equation -- a restriction which becomes the critical factor.

It should be noted that this concept of a non-simultaneous “reaction time” to an applied force (whatever the nature of that force is considered to be) is applicable not only in mechanics, but also in electromagnetism and other fields of physics. A sudden surge (an “action”) of current along a conductor, for example, will also result in an equal and opposite reaction -- but again not simultaneously. Likewise a rotating shaft surrounded by permanent magnets arranged so as to impel the rotation will encounter an equal and opposite magnetic force which will brake the rotation -- after a time delay, or what might be called the “Critical Action Time” (CAT)!

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The posts of the last few days at the above site!!!
Cranky Pants Unveiled,[well that might be "scary"]

No ,its more like Now I get it
And so will you !!

Chet
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A discusion thread has been reignited here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=827.msg16226;topicseen#msg16226

And at this Forum here
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Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #163 on: August 18, 2011, 04:52:39 PM »
Thanks, Jack and Chet -- very encouraging.  "26 watts for free", Jack is to be congratulated, using "scrap materials".  Can you provide detail?  Again, replication is the key.

I have one comment regarding 'there is no such thing as OU' some people seem to think.

Just take look at Thane's BiTT. It has been verified by third party and it gives more out than goes in. Theory of operation is simple to understand and it is very easy to build. Even I managed to build one using scrap material and I got about 1.85 COP, 26 watts out for free. It feels nice to think that I was able to build a better transformer than any commercial trafo out there as they all have COP < 1.

But immediately this raises my concern, since OU is so simple, why I cannot buy OU trafos from my local store ? Surely OU trafo would be a successfull product and with a bit of tuning using better core materials a guaranteed success.

  WillyInebriated -- you quoted me out of context.  I was seconding a commendable suggestion made by e2matrix,
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E2matrix raises a very good idea, IMO -- a non-disclosure agreement that has a Limited Duration, so that the person agrees to stay quiet for a time, not forever.

  This is not a "childish" idea, but a commendable one.

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Re: PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS
« Reply #164 on: August 18, 2011, 05:22:10 PM »
@ AguariuZ

I've checked my math and found it correct, to recap:

 53 MICROwatts for Bill's 10-module system (connecting the 6-modules with the 4-modules). 

See below along with previous posts -- I have also checked from Bill's comments that the 280mV rise
in the 4900 uF cap took one hour for "the two sets of modules together in series".

But please correct me if my calculations are wrong, because, Bill and other friends,  this is a very VERY tiny effect:

1.  53 uW for 10 modules means about 5.3 microwatts/module (average)

2.  To reach just ONE watt would thus require about 189,000 modules.

3.  Earlier there was an indication that one could get the materials needed to build a module at a hardware store
     for less than $20.  OK, let's say just $10.

4.  Combining 2 and 3, we find that for ONE stinkin' watt it will cost roughly $1,890,000 -- nearly 2 million bucks ! 

5.  Let's take roughly 1 kW to run a house (a low estimate I believe) -- the cost for the modules (with present data)
     would be $1,890,000,000 or nearly $2 Billion bucks.  That's billion with a "B".

     I can't afford it.

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Excellent Points AguariuZ.
It sure looks like your math is right on target.

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