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Offline charly2

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »
Yes, I have dinking the water for several months, the effects are very similar to the original product (IMO). Almost all members of my family are dinking it as far as today, including my mother who suffered of severe condition of rheumatoid arthritis for the last 35 years and now she can walk again without pain. She is the most amazing recovery case I have ever seen.
I had to make some adjustments to the parameters of the process to find the best point, now I make 5 litters per batch at 0.2% concentration and less electrolyzing time. I have not found yet how to lower the final PH, I always get 7.6 to 7.8
Check ORP/PH urine before and after drinking the water sounds great, never step on my mind. But something I noticed is the fact that drinking the original product or my processed water makes the urine a little foamy, same in both. What is it?, some effect of the body working better? I dont know.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2012, 06:17:46 PM »
Could you elaborate more on the specifications of your current setup please.

What's the current and voltage you provide?
How long does it take to finish a batch? (I also think this would be easier to measure with an ORP meter so you know how much the process changed it)
What do you exactly mean with 0.2% concentration? I doubt this is the NaCl concentration as it seems to be way to high.
How much of it do you drink a day?

And imo your pH is not that bad. A healthy human body has a pH range of 7.35 -7.45 according to the Internet.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 09:19:12 PM by broli »

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
At this moment I dont have my notes with me, I will post today later all the parameters.
But a little ahead of the information, I can say that the concentration is 0.2%/100 by weigth, so for 1000mL (or 1000gr) of water  I add 2gr of NaCl.
The process is made at 12dcv in 2 steps and 1 liter is finished in 20 minutes. I use to drink 2 oz twice a day.
I made a mistake on the PH, it is 8.8, quite high imo.
I will post the details later.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2012, 03:54:08 PM »
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Offline charly2

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 04:37:16 PM »
Here you have the details:
The mesh electrodes I have are 2x3 inches, 1 electrode has 10.8 sq inch: 2 sides of 3.5 and 3.8 in the "holes". I had to make a 3D model to get those numbers.
It is not easy to calculate the current density on the electrodes, I considered in a very conservative way that the area of the electrode was 3.5sq inch, and I would preffer to keep the current at no more fo 1/2 amp x 1sq inch. It is easy to make them crap if you dont control the current.
They are spaced 3/8" and almost fully immersed in the solution.
In 1 liter of cold distilled water add 1 gram of NaCl, the solution is stirred during the electrolysis process.
Conect the electrodes to the source at 12vdc, that will produce 0.9 amps, run the process for 12 minutes.
After the 12 minutes stop and add one more gram of NaCl to the solution, run the process at same 12vdc, but now the current will be in 1.6 amps, run for 8 minutes.
And that is all.
How I got that recipe?, trial and error.
Hope this helps as a starting point. Please post your results.
 

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2012, 07:02:06 PM »
Thanks for the instruction. However most of the things I'm planning will be quite different I guess. I'm going to follow the high frequency flip flop method of this patent:

http://goo.gl/SFCXi

I think the flip flopping has the same function as your stirring, that is to have a continuously agitated solution. Also I'm going to be using mineral water as they do in the patent, they seem to imply that the elusive generated H⁻ ion which would be otherwise short lived would attach itself to these minerals to extend its life span. That's why they also suggest to throw in a rock in the solution. Anyway my biggest advantage is that I also have ordered this ORP meter:

http://goo.gl/pd0ff

So I can have a very good quantitative means of measuring how effective any parameter change will be.

Finally I'm probably going to use stainless steel for the electrodes.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
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Offline citfta

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2012, 11:00:27 PM »
Hi broli,
Please DO NOT use stainless steel for your electrodes!  Stainless steel has chrome in it.  If you use it as an electrode hexavalent chromium will be released into the water.  Hexavalent chromium is a poison!  Try this simple test.  Put your electrodes into a weak saline solution.  Run some current through them for a while.  The water will start to turn a pale yellow.  This is the chromium in the water.  Please do some research on this and consider using platinum electrodes like charly2 is using.  I worked in a plating shop for several years where they did a lot of chrome plating.  Hexavalent chromium can seriously damage your health.  Please do not ignore this suggestion.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Carroll


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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2012, 12:10:15 PM »
Hi broli,
Please DO NOT use stainless steel for your electrodes!  Stainless steel has chrome in it.  If you use it as an electrode hexavalent chromium will be released into the water.  Hexavalent chromium is a poison!  Try this simple test.  Put your electrodes into a weak saline solution.  Run some current through them for a while.  The water will start to turn a pale yellow.  This is the chromium in the water.  Please do some research on this and consider using platinum electrodes like charly2 is using.  I worked in a plating shop for several years where they did a lot of chrome plating.  Hexavalent chromium can seriously damage your health.  Please do not ignore this suggestion.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Carroll

Sometimes ignorance can indeed kill, chemistry is not my thing thanks. However platinum is way out of the budget for me to be honest, but I still have titanium and graphite. Surely the latter should be pretty non reactive and the only bad by product would be chlorine gas. Opinion on this?

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Offline citfta

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2012, 12:47:09 PM »
Hi broli,
I think charly2 got his electrodes from ebay for a fairly reasonable price.  If I remember right they were titanium coated with platinum.  I am not a chemist either, I was an electrician working on the plating shop equipment.  Someone posted earlier that titanium was also a poison.  But when I did some research on that I found that titanium is used in almost all hip and knee artificial joints because it is considered to be totally inert in the human body.  I know we used a lot of titanium bolts and nuts in the plating shop because it was so resistant to corrosion.  I don't really know if that makes it safe to use as an electrode in something you plan to drink.  As far as the graphite I do know the original Asea water had a slight swimming pool taste when I tried a couple of bottles.  So I guess there was a little chlorine in it.  I am sure charly2 can answer all these questions much better than I can.  I just wanted to make sure you knew that stainless was not a safe material to use.
Carroll

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2012, 12:52:07 PM »
Here's another intresting thing I came across during some research into this:

http://www.elkadot.com/en/chemistry/Electrolysis%20of%20Molten%20Sodium%20Chloride.htm

Referring it to as "invisible electrolysis".

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
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Offline charly2

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2012, 06:30:43 PM »
Thanks for the instruction. However most of the things I'm planning will be quite different I guess. I'm going to follow the high frequency flip flop method of this patent:

http://goo.gl/SFCXi

I think the flip flopping has the same function as your stirring, that is to have a continuously agitated solution. Also I'm going to be using mineral water as they do in the patent, they seem to imply that the elusive generated H⁻ ion which would be otherwise short lived would attach itself to these minerals to extend its life span. That's why they also suggest to throw in a rock in the solution. Anyway my biggest advantage is that I also have ordered this ORP meter:

http://goo.gl/pd0ff

So I can have a very good quantitative means of measuring how effective any parameter change will be.

Finally I'm probably going to use stainless steel for the electrodes.

I have being tempted to start building it, I am ok with my  electrolyzer so perhaps in a near future i will do it, I only need the  electronic part.
 
I have to agree with Carroll abut the Hexavalent  Chromium, some people say there is not scientific proof about its production  during electrolysis, I would play safe in this case. Please see this video and  take your conclusions:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=55_j21tCN_k&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL0544F7A82D781657 
 
There is a nice thread in the EF posted by Jetijs you must have seen  it (Living vs dead water), he uses stainless steel and a filter membrane between  both plates, at the end of the process he gets alkaline water in one end and  acid water in the other. The alkaline water he gets is clear, and the acid water  is yellow this one is supposed to contain some amounts of chromium and is not  used, but it is just a thin permeable membrane the one that prevents a mix (and the electric charge), perhaps it is safe,  I don't  know. He has reported excellent results. 
 
Any IMHO if I build one of  those alkaline machine or any other similar machine one day I would use platinum coated plates. Second option for me but I have never tested is graphite.
The price of the electodes I am using is $35 each in ebay.

Do you know what kind of rock  is recommended?, I could not find information abou it. I guess it must add some minerals to the solution and help the  chemical process to produce different  species.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2012, 02:38:21 AM »
Hi GB, Charly, Stefan and ALL

We have a live blood cell microscope and would love to try and help or see if we can add to any replication data Especially
 charly2's positive results statements on this forum.
  To gravity block
on: August 09, 2011, 03:05:31 AM - you wrote The Nanodrop 3300 fluorospectrometer, can be used to measure the amount of reactive molecules found in every batch.  Thermo Scientific has a free one-week trial period to evaluate the fluorspectrometer (they will also pay all shipping costs), http://www.nanodrop.com/TrialProgram.aspx   the nanodrop is a very professionally polished corporate product nanodrop lite first impressions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyeUgQEEEq0&feature=related but not everybody can afford it
  can we do it with any spectrophotometer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrophotometry
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxC6F7bK8CU&playnext=1&list=PL6FC2219F71FEE88E&feature=results_main
  or even how about a open source spectrophotometer? http://www.openspectrometer.com/
  or maybe it is just more convenient for us a analytical laboratory and pay them to do it,till we get our heads around all this stuff and what are the things we need to test for anyway? any thoughts please?
  To charly2, thank you for your wonderful work, if you ever want us to write it up, let us know we already have a volunteer who will get blood PH and any thing more you need
just need the technical details my friend
thanks for all your open source spirit and hard work.

Ash


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