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Author Topic: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules  (Read 61205 times)

Offline charly2

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 09:13:20 PM »
Sounds really easy and cheap (as it should be), I don't know how is going to react with the ionic solution and don't have any equipment to test it, but I will try it one of this days just to see what happen.
Days ago I had a similar idea but adding some drops of HCl (PH=1), H and Cl are the same elements contained in the base solution, but never tried, benefical compounds will be destroyed by the chloridric acid?. It is in my to do list.
 
The dog is still in good shape after some weeks, not any important change since the first week.
I tried the ASEA water for 5 days and rest for 1 week, then I got brave enough to drink from my own batch. I got surprised.
Asea does work, slow but works, I felt some let's say minor improvements on my energy level after the 4th day I started drinking it.
But when I tried my solution the same day I felt the same improvement but really much more energized and focused, I tried for 4 days 2 oz in the morning only, no side effects till now only my battery fully loaded. Now I understand better my brother's dog behavior. :o

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 09:13:20 PM »

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 10:03:40 PM »
Hi Charly,
The solution you made that you are drinking,  are you making a new batch each day or are you drinking from the same batch for several days?  You mentioned earlier the smell seems to change after a few days.  Is the taste changing also if you are using the same batch?  If your batch seems to be working with no ill effects would it be reasonable to just make a new batch every few days and toss the old one as it starts to change.  It seems like it would be easy enough to make and reasonably cheap too compared to the Asea water.  I also felt a small improvement in my energy level and slept better too when I was taking the Asea water.  It is just too expensive for long term use.
Also are you ready yet to describe the process you are using or do you want to test and refine some more before you share that info.  Thanks for sharing what you have learned.


Carroll

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2011, 01:02:15 AM »
I relaly want to try Redox water, butt can't afford it right now. Especially not with the risk of it being another great infomercial fantasy.

My health guru thinks it's goose armpit grease fableware.
I'd love to try it for a month or so, as an athlete I am quite in touch with how my body performs.


I've read good stories on drinking peroxide too, full glasses straight up even (accidental occurence, scary...)


What I don't understand is the multiple stages of dilution with the peroxide, does that serve a purpose? Why not mix a couple grams on a liter and be done with it?


Is peroxide safe in these doses? I feel my body (and mind) have great leftover capacity not being used. Something is going to unleash it, but what... I know great things are out there, but as an athlete I use nothing from WADA's doping list. A shame, human groth hormane, apart from being addictive, seems to be great for overall health. Cheating on live.

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Offline charly2

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2011, 12:46:12 AM »
When I started to drink it, the solution was 1 week old, not really fresh.
But I have batches 2, 3 and 4 weeks old and the taste is almost identical. The change in taste starts 1 or 2 days after was made until get stabilized (in taste) after 4 or 5 days, I don't know, perhaps that is the way it should be...
The solution in fact is odorless and stays like that all the time, only the taste changes but not much, I gave my wife 2 samples to taste, one and four weeks old and she said they are the same.
Carroll, in case one would like to drink only fresh solution, it is just necessary to make a smaller setup i.e. 1/4 or 1/2 litter just chanching the beaker or glass size and reduce the process time more or less in the same proportion.
I doubt my batches are in the optimum point, but for now it is good enough for me. I'll post some pics later to show how simple is the setup.
 

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2011, 01:10:37 AM »
Thanks for the info Charly.  I am looking forward to trying it as I did see some improvement with the Asea water.  Did you decide you did not need to work on keeping the current at an exact value?  Or did you find a constant current power supply to meet your needs?  I will probably make a liter or so at a time as my wife needs to be taking it too.  Thanks again for all your efforts and for being willing to share what you have learned.


Carroll

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2011, 05:58:28 AM »
I relaly want to try Redox water, butt can't afford it right now. Especially not with the risk of it being another great infomercial fantasy.

My health guru thinks it's goose armpit grease fableware.
I'd love to try it for a month or so, as an athlete I am quite in touch with how my body performs.


I've read good stories on drinking peroxide too, full glasses straight up even (accidental occurence, scary...)


What I don't understand is the multiple stages of dilution with the peroxide, does that serve a purpose? Why not mix a couple grams on a liter and be done with it?


Is peroxide safe in these doses? I feel my body (and mind) have great leftover capacity not being used. Something is going to unleash it, but what... I know great things are out there, but as an athlete I use nothing from WADA's doping list. A shame, human groth hormane, apart from being addictive, seems to be great for overall health. Cheating on live.
Two of my coworkers and I have been using H2O2 for a little over 3 months now.  One user sprays it on after morning shower and reports increased energy. Another sprays on age spots and after a week or so the spots dry up and peels off and healthy clear skin is underneath.  I use it as a nose spray and have not had an asthma attack since using. Even though we have all tried drinking, we each decided to stick with the above methods.  I would say we each have expierienced positive results.  Hope this helps.
 
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I purchased food grade hydrogen peroxide from ebay for all three of us.  Diluted, kept in refridgerator, and it lasts a long time.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2011, 09:45:55 AM »
After some attempts using different parameters I guess I found the right for my setup, I made my first 1 litter batch. The taste is like many people describe it.
I tested first on some germinated beans on cotton (no soil), for two days and they didn't die, in fact look like they love this water.
After that I ask my brother who has an old and very tired boxer dog (13 or 14 Y.O.) to allow me to test it on his dog, he took the risk not very convinced at first. I gave 2oz at night and my brother gave him 2oz more in the morning. He (my brother) reported me the next day his dog was playing like a kid with a soft ball and started to bark again like years before. Now it's more alert and awake almost all day!!!

My setup parameters are listed below, and the following information is intended for educational purposes, it is not intended for commercial or business use, and no warranty is offered on the accuracy of this information.

These are the parameters I used:
1 litter of distilled water (0 to 1 PPM)
2.0 grams of NaCl 99.0% pure (will produce a 0.2% concentration)
2 platinized titanium electrodes (3”x2” grid type)
7/8” gap between electrodes
1.0 to 1.1 Amp at 16V DC (just enough to produce visible bubbles)
2.5 Hrs of electrolysis and continuous stirring from the bottom
Approx 32 to 33 °F (beaker immersed in water and ice inside a cooler until reach the lowest temp before start the process).
Initial PPM: 1490, final PPM 1415 (i don't fully understand why)

An important missing parameter is the relation current/area, this due it is hard to determine the real effective area of the electrodes.

It is important that if someone try to replicate it never use regular salt table, the iodine will combine with hydrogen to form Hydroiodic acid that is corrosive and harmful if swallowed, inhaled or in contact with skin, very destructive of mucous membranes and may affect functioning of thyroid.

The integrity of the platinum coating it is critical and the electrolysis must be done only in the coated area. Don't use the electrodes if there are scratches or some type of damage on the coating that shows the base metal.

Hello, I know something of the subject. My father just turned 73. He has been drinking KANGEN water for years and he says he feels better today then he did at 30 years old. Kangen was developed in japan. It uses regular tap water. It has a membrane in it to keep the separated acid ions at one electrode and the alkaline ions at the other electrode from re combining. The acid water is collected for cleaning or disinfecting purposes or sewered. The alkline water is consumed at PH range of 8.0 to 12.0. The higher the PH the more the reaction with your body. 12.0 will give you a violent colon cleansing so stick around 8 to 9. Kangen uses the thickest platinum coating on the market and it is marketed MLM. That is why the MSRP is $4000.00. The reason the for the very thick platinum is because titanium is toxic. If you use the cheep ebay electrodes they will put titanium in solution. My advice to the chemist here is to make an indicator solution to test for the presents of titanium .

The titanium determination (as TiO2) is based on the use of disodium-1,2-dihydroxybenzene-3,5-disulfonate (Tiron) as a spectrophotometric reagent. The reagent forms a lemon-yellow titanium complex that has a high molar absorptivity (Yoe and Armstrong, 1947). The absorbance of this titanium complex is nearly independent of pH over the range 4.3 to 9.6. Ferric iron also reacts with Tiron to produce a purple complex, but this interference is eliminated by reducing the ferric iron with sodium dithionate solution buffered at pH 4.7. The absorbance of the yellow titanium complex at 430 nm is measured spectrophotometrically.

In other words... add some indicator to water sample. If it turns shades of yellow, it contains titanium.
Caution: DO NOT DRINK THE SAMPLE WITH THE INDICATOR IN IT!!!!!
 
The water being sold over at Arron's STORE uses sodium chloride in the reaction to create a shelf stable product. You don't need it. Make it on demand and drink it. You do not need a special membrane. Craft paper will work. I have the pdf somewhere on how to construct one.
I was thinking in going to AMPMEX.com and buying a gram of .999 that's 99.999% pure platinum for $80.00. Then take it to a jeweler and have him roll it in to a ribbon for electrode material. Use rectified and filtered wall AC with a 5 watt or so resistor to electrodes. ;D John
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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2011, 10:31:34 AM »
I forgot to mention, Kangen has a demo they do...They take a glass of room temperature tap water and of Kangen water. Place a tea bag in each glass. The  Kangen water makes tea instantly and the tap water never does. Ever hear anybody say "I don't like drinking water because it leaves me full but thirsty"? They say that this Kangen water penetrates every cell in your body just as readily as the tea.

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2011, 04:17:05 PM »
The water being sold over at Arron's STORE uses sodium chloride
in the reaction to create a shelf stable product.
You don't need it. Make it on demand and drink it.
PS watch me get banned now. :P

Heheh, Aaron may be a lil' Hitler on his website,
banning anybody that tells truth to power, etc.,
but Stefan is a much better person that that.



The Kangen is overpriced,
even ex-employees agree:

http://www.ionizers.org/kangen.html

More options:

http://www.ionizers.org/bigger-ionizers.html

But these are only ionized water units,
not Redox Signalling processors per se'



I a few experiments of mine were I wanted
separately ported gases using electrolysis,
I found reverse osmosis membranes to work well.

The cartridges are inexpensive when you consider
how many square inches of material are in them.

Hope this helps

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2011, 06:28:28 PM »
Interesting Tektron, I never before have drink alkaline water so I can't make a comparisson, but maybe the extra energy I feel is due because of the alkaline condition of the water I'm drinking, it is 8.7 or 8.8, ; PH goes high as soon electrolysis starts, gas hydrogen goes away and OH ions stay in the solution.
I'll read more about titamium determination, thanks for the advise. But I like more you idea to roll a ribon of pure platinum and forget liftime abut titanium issues.
BTW I could not find the web page you posted, it is a good price for 1 gram. I found on ebay 0.5mm diameter platinum wire but doing the math it cost 2x the same quantity, it is easier to roll it or press it because it is pre formed but more expensive.

Carroll, I do not use any volt or amp regulator just the water solution resistance, but the way I'm doing it is just mater of find the electrolysis time until get a light taste of chlorine, little stronger like pool water.
I usually put 1 gal of distilled water in the fridge like the rest of the food and take 1 cold litter for the process when I need it, the process takes few minutes so the water solution finishes cold.
I estimated the area of 1 electrode was about 7 sq in, so following the rule of any dry or wet cell I jut care not to go beyond 0.5amp/sq in to avoid any damage on the electrodes.
Hope this helps.

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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2011, 07:24:01 AM »
Interesting Tektron, I never before have drink alkaline water so I can't make a comparisson, but maybe the extra energy I feel is due because of the alkaline condition of the water I'm drinking, it is 8.7 or 8.8, ; PH goes high as soon electrolysis starts, gas hydrogen goes away and OH ions stay in the solution.
I'll read more about titamium determination, thanks for the advise. But I like more you idea to roll a ribon of pure platinum and forget liftime abut titanium issues.
BTW I could not find the web page you posted, it is a good price for 1 gram. I found on ebay 0.5mm diameter platinum wire but doing the math it cost 2x the same quantity, it is easier to roll it or press it because it is pre formed but more expensive.

Carroll, I do not use any volt or amp regulator just the water solution resistance, but the way I'm doing it is just mater of find the electrolysis time until get a light taste of chlorine, little stronger like pool water.
I usually put 1 gal of distilled water in the fridge like the rest of the food and take 1 cold litter for the process when I need it, the process takes few minutes so the water solution finishes cold.
I estimated the area of 1 electrode was about 7 sq in, so following the rule of any dry or wet cell I jut care not to go beyond 0.5amp/sq in to avoid any damage on the electrodes.
Hope this helps.

sorry, I threw an extra m in there
http://www.apmex.com/Category/171/Platinum_Bars__Rounds_1_Gram___50_Oz.aspx  ;D



BTW, I found the PDF I had " Living Water"

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2011, 10:22:53 PM »
Hi Charly,
Have you been able to verify the info about titanium being toxic?  Everything I have read says that titanium is NOT toxic and is used for implants primarily because it is inert.  One article I read says that titanium is in almost everything we eat and is in all living things naturally.  Because it is inert it just passes right on through the body.  I even found a redox molecule making machine that uses titanium electrodes.  Here is the link:
http://www.water-prox.com/Product1.htm


So do you think we can safely use the electrodes from Ebay?
Carroll

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Re: DIY - Stable Redox Molecules
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2011, 12:13:04 AM »
Hi Charly,
Have you been able to verify the info about titanium being toxic?  Everything I have read says that titanium is NOT toxic and is used for implants primarily because it is inert.  One article I read says that titanium is in almost everything we eat and is in all living things naturally.  Because it is inert it just passes right on through the body.  I even found a redox molecule making machine that uses titanium electrodes.  Here is the link:
http://www.water-prox.com/Product1.htm


So do you think we can safely use the electrodes from Ebay?
Carroll
Yes, I also have read something about it, looks like it is not a poison metal and the human body can tolerate titanium in large doses. In fact it is not a heavy metal and even most toothpaste have TiO2 in it.
Time ago there was a product called MesoTitanium it was colloidal titanium and there was people drinking it (same as colloidal silver) for its antiviral properties and more specific against candida. Now it is discontinued, I don't know why.
The electrodes I got from ebay I made a careful inspection the first day i received using a small usb microscope and the coating was covering all the surfaces including some small cavities.
I had to replace one of them because during a test I used more than 10 amps for few minutes and the titanium showed up in some areas like small brown spots.
Just take care in the current during the process and the electrodes can last long. I guess 1 to 3 amps would be good.

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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2011, 12:37:13 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2012, 11:45:39 PM »
Any follow up on this?  Did you continue to drink the water? Lately I got interested in building the setup from the patent mentioned a couple pages ago using the high frequency and was curious how you were doing. I'm waiting on an ORP tester as well to document my urine ORP before and after drinking the water.

 

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