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Title: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on July 31, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
The patent numbers are 7770389, and 7877995. The patents can be viewed at the United States patent office.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Airstriker on August 01, 2011, 02:58:20 AM
The patent numbers are 7770389, and 7877995. The patents can be viewed at the United States patent office.
It has already been discussed here - won't work.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 02, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
Airstriker,
What won’t work?
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 03, 2011, 03:05:35 AM
Has the U.S. patent office ever issued a patent on any other invention posted at this forum?
My inventions are patented be the U.S. government.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: fritznien on August 03, 2011, 05:45:53 AM
as has been pointed out many times a patent is a legal protection only.
it is no indication of the workability or usefulness of the invention.
fritznien
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 10, 2011, 11:39:13 PM
The PTO will not issue a patent on a machine that can not work.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 11, 2011, 12:55:41 AM
The PTO will not issue a patent on a machine that can not work.

Not true at all.  They do it every day.  It is only for the protection of intellectual property, nothing more.  If something works, or not, is not part of the equation.

PS  If you look hard enough, you will find patents on "teleporters" a la star trek yet try to buy a working model.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: utilitarian on August 11, 2011, 04:55:37 AM
The PTO will not issue a patent on a machine that can not work.

But they issued your patents, and we all know your weather-making machines cannot work.  I am confused.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 12, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
It’s a good thing the PTO is not confused about what is patentable.
Machines that can not work are not patentable.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
It’s a good thing the PTO is not confused about what is patentable.
Machines that can not work are not patentable.


Here is a quote of just one of many patented devices that have been since proven not to work:

"In 1999, Sanjay Amin of Youngstown, Ohio, established Entropy Systems Inc. (ESI). The company received a 3.5 million dollar investment for a device that is claimed to violate the second law of thermodynamics, producing power by absorbing heat from atmospheric air (and that external reservoir can be at any temperature, even sub-zero). The technology had been patented in the United States, Europe, and Australia. The claims have subsequently been shown to be false and no product was ever released."

Note that the device received patents in 3 different countries.

Many, many other examples can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines

This happens all of the time.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 12, 2011, 01:34:18 AM
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Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2011, 01:15:21 PM
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So, did you read about all of those patents of devices that never worked?  I just didn't want you to misunderstand what obtaining a patent really means, and what it doesn't mean.

They also grant patents on devices that require technology that has not advanced enough at that time to produce it, which I find very interesting.

Bill
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 26, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
This is a patent announcement for people interested in gravity powered machines.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on October 10, 2011, 12:09:46 AM
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Post by: brian334 on October 30, 2011, 11:38:18 PM
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Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 31, 2011, 12:28:32 AM
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Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on December 02, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
This explains everything.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: AB Hammer on December 03, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
Brian334

Do you have a build of proof yet?  Without the build, even a patent is just words.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on December 16, 2011, 11:12:22 PM
The two black lines help
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on October 29, 2012, 12:58:14 AM
10/28/12
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Post by: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 03:19:56 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: AlanA on October 29, 2012, 09:18:43 AM
10/28/12

Hi brian,
congratulation for you granted patents.
1. Your comment above is little bit too short to understand (maybe only for me)  ;)
2. I think a invention has two steps. 1. a granted patent 2. a working model with an independent validation. (in case of technical problems I am satisfied with a photo). I looking forward to see films or pictures. Thanks and good luck  :)
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on October 23, 2013, 07:10:16 PM
Again I will repeat, this is only a announcement of two patents being granted.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on March 27, 2015, 12:48:49 AM
3/26
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on March 27, 2015, 03:43:05 AM
Where can we read the above patents?
Regards
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: CANGAS on March 28, 2015, 04:11:57 AM
Where can we read the above patents?
Regards

On the screen of the same computer you used to post your question.

Using Google Search, search for us patent 7770389 and repeat for the second one.


Welcome
CANGAS 158
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on March 29, 2015, 03:55:38 AM
Thanks,
reading the patent 7770389 and really enjoying  the smart idea!
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: forest on March 29, 2015, 08:33:19 AM
Congratulations ! I thought about some kind of such device in the past . Kind of empty piston filled with water and emptied , moving in tight pipe with container below.I imagined a valves econtrolled electronically to empty such piston through the hole in the wall to the second container. Unfortunately I was looking for useful device for common Joe not for big converter of gravity.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: sm0ky2 on July 16, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
hi

so i it overunity?

any demonstration ?

Except for the physical shape / appearance,
 This device is exactly like the B-Units (Buoyancy Units) we developed in the 90's.

If properly designed, this device will operate as intended.

Is it "overunity"?
    Absolutely not. This is a gravity converter. It takes gravitational force and converts it into work over distance.

Does it convert more gravitational energy than it uses to change buoyant states?
    I'm not sure at this point in time. Physics says "no". They claim you cannot get out more energy than it took to change buoyant states.
 but I'm having a hard time finding any definitive sources of information on this subject.

Changing buoyant states can be done many ways, with many variables and there is little info on how much energy is required to do so.

The energy obtainable from buoyant force, over distance, is well known. We have standard equations for this.

What I have NOT found, is any scientific source providing a comparative experiment showing the two energies side by side.
I am designing such an experiment, and whatever the results, I will post it here under a new thread.
I think that information is what we require to answer the buoyancy question once and for all.

The experiment will use the buoyant force, directly, to change the buoyant state.
With measurements of force from both the buoyant state, and the transition state.
This will be done first with Air and Water.
Then again using a denser fluid, and a gas with a higher coefficient of expansion.
this will allow us to establish both a baseline value, and some conversion data, to develop a general equation.

Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Paul-R on July 16, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
On the screen of the same computer you used to post your question.

Using Google Search, search for us patent 7770389 and repeat for the second one.


Welcome
CANGAS 158
Or save yourself hassle and go  to
http://pat2pdf.org

The US patent office is a pretty shoddy place. If a patent has been accepted by the EPO, then that means something more.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on July 16, 2015, 04:42:44 PM
Or save yourself hassle and go  to
http://pat2pdf.org

The US patent office is a pretty shoddy place. If a patent has been accepted by the EPO, then that means something more.
I really don't see how this idea can work. the problem is that on the depth, for example, of 1 meter, the water pressure is .1 atm, which requires a considerable force to overcome.
On the other hand, there is no much force available because the device only works by the difference between sinking and floating, which is not that much.
what do u think?
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 17, 2015, 05:56:22 AM
hi

so i it overunity?

any demonstration ?

Answer to question number one: No.

Answer to question number two: No.

I hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on August 12, 2016, 10:17:51 PM
This is so daum.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: jane on May 13, 2018, 02:23:40 AM
I don't understand why the patent office would issue a patent on something that can not work.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: gyulasun on May 13, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
It is the income they take from the patent fees, renewal fees etc what counts for them: such system insures a sure and regular sum... nothing else counts any more. And this is also country specific. And they do not ask for demonstrating a working prototype either, and this was not obligatory already in the last century either.  (the "No model' statement is very often seen in the 1870 or later patents).   Surely there can be other "rules" which if are met a patent is granted.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: sparkmen on May 14, 2018, 01:38:20 AM
if reading patents recorded from the begining (i think 1830), starting with the very 1st us pat 1, formulae is  "I do hereby declare the following to be a full, clear, and exact description of the nature, construction, and operation thereof".
something changed meantime and bocome something like " it may work that way, or that way.etc".


to be on topic , few years ago I made small toy  , as attached , and behaved very surprising , yet not in disagreement with present physics.

cylynders were made of aluminium tube recovered from shaving foam spray
between the cylinders connected a flexible tube, abt 3mm diameter and end of each tube connected to a small flexible baloon(no matter the collor :)) and made fast to a rigid bar that turn around pivot point.

fill with water till abt 100ml into one baloon only and full pipe, another baloon squezed till no air remain in the system and then seal.
the "piston " were made of lead weights , may be a 50g, both the same, glued to a round washer that just pass nicely inside cylnder and glue also on the baloons.
 initially the system is as per continuous line drawing, obviously the heavy part in right side dawn.
G1 start to move down and pushes thw water up , G2 is also comming down and create a slight vacuum , helping water even more to rise.
if you hold the system locked,full  water transfer will be completed and releasing the system will rest somewhere the dotted line is.
to continue with rotation is needed to bring g2 where G1 was .
I've only made one set at that time and forgot already about it, may worth to try a bigger scale with more connected arms.

even IF will work, cannot say that is perpetuum mobile, still need the gravity to work, right?
about "converting" , not sure is the proper way of saying, earth will  loose nothing gravity wise
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: jane on May 14, 2018, 11:58:49 PM
There is a difference between something that might not work, and something that cannot work. As I understand patent rules they will not issue a patent on something that cannot work, so therefore the patent office must think this might work.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on February 16, 2019, 02:03:58 AM
it's kind of like a feather and a brick, they both fall at the same rate in a vacuum.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on February 16, 2019, 03:34:54 PM
Have you tried it?
Does it actually work?
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on April 04, 2019, 06:22:18 PM
I've done some calculations, it may work if at the top it compresses a constant force spring, which is being released at the bottom.
This will create a surplus of the buoyancy, which can be converted into the extra work.

 
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on April 07, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
I've done some calculations, it may work if at the top it compresses a constant force spring, which is being released at the bottom.
This will create a surplus of the buoyancy, which can be converted into the extra work.

Only will work at the minimal speed of 2 m/sec in each direction.
This is not possible for this device in water, unfortunately.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on March 11, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
it has to do with a feather and a lead weight falling. they both fall at the same rate in a vacuum, or in water if they fall in a continuous column inside a container.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on March 11, 2020, 03:06:54 AM
Can you explain some more?
Glad to hear from you!
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: Johan_1955 on March 11, 2020, 11:44:28 AM
Can you explain some more?
Glad to hear from you!


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU8Oid56xktO9aNmZAceZdw
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on March 12, 2020, 02:23:00 AM
have you tried it?
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 12, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
Some food for thought,


I fully agree with newton but you can tap it internally and thus do the opposite of it if you tapped it external.[/size]With energy opposites like north and south or positive and negative thus there are two opposites one internal and one external so yeah.Inertia was best explained by Sir Isaac Newton in his first law of motion. Basically, the law of motion is that an object at rest stays at rest and an object continues in motion (self running) until an external force acts on it.


Self running gyroscopes demonstrate self running Inertia this already has been proven in science.

So if you don't tap it internally it wont work because of newtons inertia first law effect, it is the same as if you tapped the self running internal effect via external methods thus won't work, so you have to tap it internally and thus will work as in getting what you want real power/torque manifest to power a load whilst self running in that fashion.

So it you try to tap earths momentum of spin mass via external it won't work, it has to be done internally.

So the process is internal and the energy extraction bit is internal again and thus will fully work, so in world of energy there is positive and negative, same with internal or external energy tapping methods you get the idea.

The earths self running process and how it manifest spin torque which powers the oceans wave wind etc, the earth does that via internal methods of self running, because the internal mass of the earth is active and can get useful work/torque from it, it you tap it with a gyroscope which taps it in a internal way.

It is clear to me that this won't work as others have said because it is externally trying to capture the energy, so try the opposite method which is internal with a self running gyro scope, both opposites one external (won't work) or internal (will work), just like the opposites of negative and positive in the energy world the like or with electric so there you go.

So internal to internal regarding self running and energy tapping both internal processes.

The internal process is inside of the centre of gravity and external is outside of the centre of gravity so if you push the centre of gravity to get it to self run you will get two complete opposites of energy manifests regarding inside or outside the centre of gravity, outside of centre of gravity will never work and inside of the centre of gravity then mission accomplished.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: citfta on March 12, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
I have seen several of your posts where you talk about self running gyroscopes.  Where have you seen a self running gyroscope?  All I have ever seen used an external force to keep them spinning.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: brian334 on March 16, 2020, 12:56:30 AM
gravity is a energy source, you just have to figure out how to make it work both ways. Up and down in a liquid.
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: lancaIV on March 16, 2020, 10:07:04 AM
Electric (pump)- motor with 90% efficiency x electric liquid flow conversion generator with 90% efficiency = ?
The same principle + siphon advantage ( co-/ad-haesion forces)

The same installation with low friction wheel


Heron's pump/siphon maths ncluded  ! + the here propagated DIY " water motor"-kit
Title: Re: two patents on six machines designed to convert gravity to mechanical energy.
Post by: telecom on March 17, 2020, 02:56:11 AM
The only thing I can come up with is a compression spring on top of the movement.
This spring is being hit by the weight and compresses, but when the device
reaches bottom, this spring expands, and helps overcoming the water pressure, This allows piston to expand, and device completes the cycle,