Author Topic: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism... (Read 84209 times)

Humbugger · « **Reply #90 on:** August 23, 2007, 09:37:25 PM »

Quote from: gaby de wilde on August 23, 2007, 08:19:05 PM

Quote from: Humbugger on August 23, 2007, 05:56:55 PM
I'm starting to sound like a believer. I better take a pill or something.

http://www.london-nano.com/content/newsevents/recentnews/magnettuning01aug07

Here's a link direct to the research group website. The research appeared in detail in the journal Nature on August 2nd and it shows how a magnet can be ?tuned? by subjecting it to a second magnetic field, perpendicular to the original.

Humbugger

hehehe,

I wrote this so long ago already!

PM FLUX SWITCH
ABSTRACT
Method of preventing magnetic flux from extending into a target material.
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/pm-flux-switch

Do notice how I didn't use any perpendicular wording.

Seriously, Gaby, to wander into your baited web, here is how I would explain your disclosure, which I had viewed once prior:

Gaby puts a strip of ferrous metal flat against one pole of a permanent magnet and discovers that a magnetic field now extends into the ferrous metal and he can pick things up with the far end of it.

Then Gaby places an identical second magnet exactly symmetrically and opposed in polarity on the other side of the strip of metal. He now discovers that the two exactly identical yet opposing magnets no longer exert a strongly polarized field permeating to the far end of the metal strip.

This is a profound enough discovery for Gaby to write up a formal-sounding legal disclosure, claim it as an invention and draw nice diagrams so that the lesser brains in the world will be able to reproduce his amazing discovery that opposing superimposed identical fields tend to cancel each other.

Is there some deeper, more interesting, more subtle lesson or principal I have glossed over in this analysis, Gaby? I just know there must be but, as you can see, I am far too stupid to see it or to ever understand it. Sad, isn't it?

I'm serious! While it may sound like I'm being condescending, dismissive and insulting here, the truth is, that's all I really get from your disclosure. If you find greater and more subtle meaning there, I am truly missing it! I'm not a physics or magnetics expert and I acknowledge that often profound insights appear deceptively primitive and uninteresting to those whose minds are not tuned in. Honest!

tinu · « **Reply #91 on:** August 23, 2007, 10:16:31 PM »

Quote from: Humbugger on August 23, 2007, 09:21:20 PM

You begin to sound like your friend Lawrence Tseung, who claims his theory underlies and explains every new invention in the field of free energy. Yet his theory actually states nothing, nor can it be proven or disproven except by Chinese proverbs and charming tales of calm lakes and strong sunshine. To each his own, I say.

I slighty disagree: it states something.
Whether or not it can be disapproved, keep reading and decide for yourself:

Well, this morning I went to make my coffee but I forgot to switch the cooking machine on. Then, I remembered the ?lead-out? theory and I told about it to the cold water. Hear it is: ?dear water, there are billions of molecules in you, all colliding without any loses and all submerged in gravitational field. I don?t care about what you?re doing there, but according to the ?lead-out? theory, you should lead-out gravitational energy and start boiling at once.? Guess what? It started to boil. No I had a real situation. It wouldn?t get cold. In fact it wouldn?t stop boiling!!! Gee, how will I drink my coffee?!! But that?s nothing: the cooking machine, hearing the story from the boiling water, although switched off, started to get warmer and warmer. It finally melted down. Then the whole kitchen. Then my house and then the entire neighborhood. How do I stop it?!!!
Someone has to stop the story; otherwise the whole surface of the Earth will be melted down due to the huge gravitational energy being led out.

Hope you like the story,
Tinu

Humbugger · « **Reply #92 on:** August 23, 2007, 10:27:04 PM »

Just last night, I was reading a very similar item here:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/mailbag.htm

This is an interesting site, although I hear if you get caught there or believing anythink DSimanek says, you will be permanently banned from here...just kidding...uh huh!

Humbugger

@all: Sent an email to Professor Aeppli; got back a "on vacation" notice from his receptionist.

gaby de wilde · « **Reply #93 on:** August 24, 2007, 03:45:17 AM »

Quote from: Humbugger on August 23, 2007, 09:37:25 PM

Quote from: gaby de wilde on August 23, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Humbugger on August 23, 2007, 05:56:55 PM
I'm starting to sound like a believer. I better take a pill or something.

http://www.london-nano.com/content/newsevents/recentnews/magnettuning01aug07

Here's a link direct to the research group website. The research appeared in detail in the journal Nature on August 2nd and it shows how a magnet can be ?tuned? by subjecting it to a second magnetic field, perpendicular to the original.

Humbugger

hehehe,

I wrote this so long ago already!

PM FLUX SWITCH
ABSTRACT
Method of preventing magnetic flux from extending into a target material.
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/pm-flux-switch

Do notice how I didn't use any perpendicular wording.

Seriously, Gaby, to wander into your baited web, here is how I would explain your disclosure, which I had viewed once prior:

Gaby puts a strip of ferrous metal flat against one pole of a permanent magnet and discovers that a magnetic field now extends into the ferrous metal and he can pick things up with the far end of it.

Then Gaby places an identical second magnet exactly symmetrically and opposed in polarity on the other side of the strip of metal. He now discovers that the two exactly identical yet opposing magnets no longer exert a strongly polarized field permeating to the far end of the metal strip.

This is a profound enough discovery for Gaby to write up a formal-sounding legal disclosure, claim it as an invention and draw nice diagrams so that the lesser brains in the world will be able to reproduce his amazing discovery that opposing superimposed identical fields tend to cancel each other.

yes, very good this is the point this document makes.

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Is there some deeper, more interesting, more subtle lesson or principal I have glossed over in this analysis, Gaby? I just know there must be but, as you can see, I am far too stupid to see it or to ever understand it. Sad, isn't it?

You don't qualify as stupid as you are capable of asking the question. Stupid people would judge the publication by it's appearance. hahaha I never missed their comments, one could say I was intentionally hip. hahaha *o-no the colors*

"The research will appear in the journal Nature on August 2nd and it shows how a magnet can be ?tuned? by subjecting it to a second magnetic field, perpendicular to the original."
http://www.london-nano.com/content/newsevents/recentnews/magnettuning01aug07

This is the point the publication was aiming for. "Additional fields may decrease the flux.", there is no need to soften up the whole magnet.

If after reading the document the exploitation of the effect is still not jet wholly entirely obvious to you you can still use this new found understanding to understand John Ecklin's work who basically used the same trick in much more complicated more advanced and more useful configurations.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/john-ecklin

The simplicity of my document may be further appreciated when viewed in it's context (of which I still have to write most of. haha) I have just coded up the science journal's archive queries, like this the context is a bit more obvious.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/text/?flux-switching/text/teleportation-of-domain-walls
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/text/?flux-switching/text/overefficient-permanent-magnetic-holding-device
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/text/?flux-switching/text/conservation-of-induction

I'm sure I could write 100 pages about each but I doubt anyone would be willing to read it. Just get to the punchline as fast as possible. I figure written like this you can build the humbugger motor and really call it your own.

Nothing is quite finished on my site but I'm working at it. Your friend Lawrence now has a menu with 80 or so links all the way at the right.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl

I still need to make the overunity.com menu. I guess I'd better go do that now. before I make myself look like a spammer.

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I'm serious! While it may sound like I'm being condescending, dismissive and insulting here, the truth is, that's all I really get from your disclosure. If you find greater and more subtle meaning there, I am truly missing it! I'm not a physics or magnetics expert and I acknowledge that often profound insights appear deceptively primitive and uninteresting to those whose minds are not tuned in. Honest!

Thanks for asking.

Humbugger · « **Reply #94 on:** August 24, 2007, 04:33:49 AM »

Gaby,

Good to see you're in fine form as usual. I guess the bottom line is how do we move the lines of flux around to where we want them without doing more work than the resulting flux changes can provide back for us in a given scheme. Always the damn piper to pay, it seems.

At least it seems that way here in "let's build some and (choose one or more...get rich...save the world...become famous...thumb our noses at the establishment)" land!

the Humbugger

argona369 · « **Reply #95 on:** August 25, 2007, 02:36:39 AM »

>Jeeezzz...dammit....I'm starting to sound like a believer. I better take a pill or something

No need to Humburger,

We?ve already sprayed a special cocktail of chemtrails over your house.
You?ll be back to your old ,er , new self anytime.

Quote from: Humbugger on August 23, 2007, 05:56:55 PM

@Stefan

Of all the various theories and approaches I've read here in my short membership, this is the first one that may actually cause me to actually hit the workbench, or at least the phone. Thanks for pointing out this article, Stefan.

"..."Our discovery will enable transformer cores with tunable inductances, and permanent magnets whose ability to hold objects can be switched on and off,"..he said"...hmmm...I said. You'd think that he, as the expert on this, might also realize (unless we are misunderstanding or it takes lots of power to do this) the MEG and PM motor aspects and possible free energy applications.

It sounds like they are only interested in protecting the info-store applications which is very unusual if the kinds of things going through our minds right now also went through his! I'm gonna try to get ahold of this guy and see if he's got anything he can publish. Who knows, maybe this is the big breakthrough and he knows it and realizes it is so big he could never protect it? Maybe he'll open-source it for all applications except data storage? Jeeezzz...dammit....I'm starting to sound like a believer. I better take a pill or something.

http://www.london-nano.com/content/newsevents/recentnews/magnettuning01aug07

Here's a link direct to the research group website. The research appeared in detail in the journal Nature on August 2nd and it shows how a magnet can be ?tuned? by subjecting it to a second magnetic field, perpendicular to the original.

Humbugger

Humbugger · « **Reply #96 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:12:43 AM »

So that's what those funny clouds are! Thanks! Are there any side effects I should watch for?

the Humbugger

argona369 · « **Reply #97 on:** August 26, 2007, 12:13:03 AM »

Your welcome!
We started to notice a slight twinge of enthusiasm, and believed
it was only a matter of time before you pulled out the soldering iron.

Side effects could include critical thinking, rational thought and a
craving for red or blue M&M?s

gaby de wilde · « **Reply #98 on:** August 26, 2007, 05:47:17 AM »

Quote from: argona369 on August 26, 2007, 12:13:03 AM

Side effects could include critical thinking

but it's so boring and anoying to be a knee jerk. Lets get back the the information you are trying to apply your cognitive dishonesty to.

Quote from: CLaNZeR on January 27, 2007, 03:27:21 PM

Seeing the first post in this thread has been removed I decided to have a hunt around and I think it went along these lines below:

**Quoted from another source**

on/off switch for permanent magnet

Ever considered whether it?s possible to turn a *permanent* magnet on/off at will ?

Well now you can, and those who are astute enough will realise how this can be used in motors, generators etc.

How is it done ? Simply apply a 180khz square wave current directly through the magnet at right angles to the magnetic field. Only a small current is required at a voltage of 12-20Volts.

Take a magnet, and ensure any protective metal coating is removed (e.g. most neodymiums have a metal layer over them). Then connect two wires, one to either side of the magnet at right angle to the direction of the magnetic field. Use conductive epoxy to do this. Then cover the whole magnet in an epoxy layer.

Then connect these wires to a simple square wave generator circuit, capable of going up to 250khz. At around 180khz you?ll notice the power of the magnet significantly reduced (to virtually zero).

An easy way to view this is to place another magnet in a tube, in such a way that it cannot rotate. With the other magnet with the wires attached oriented with North up. And the magnet in the tube oriented North DOWN. Place the tube on top of the other magnet. Thus the magnets repel.

As the tune your circuit up to 180khz you?ll be able to the see the repelled magnet lowering as the magnetic field diminishes. Switch off the current and the magnet in the tube leaps back up as it is repelled once again. The strength of the magnet does not appear to deteriorate even over many thousands of cycles.

Note I?m talking about a CURRENT being applied through the magnet NOT another magnetic field being applied at right angles using a coil or such like.

Anyone try this jet?

argona369 · « **Reply #99 on:** August 26, 2007, 08:22:36 PM »

argona369 · « **Reply #100 on:** August 26, 2007, 09:28:00 PM »

>?Take a magnet, and ensure any protective metal coating is removed (e.g. most neodymiums have a metal layer over them).?

Not sure how toxic neo?s are, but they are toxic as far as I know.
And I was reading about ?don?t burn them? so
I would want to be careful about any sparking, around a ?bare neo?.
i would not want to handle them without gloves either.

tao · « **Reply #101 on:** August 26, 2007, 09:55:57 PM »

Quote from: argona369 on August 26, 2007, 09:28:00 PM

>?Take a magnet, and ensure any protective metal coating is removed (e.g. most neodymiums have a metal layer over them).?

Not sure how toxic neo?s are, but they are toxic as far as I know.
And I was reading about ?don?t burn them? so
I would want to be careful about any sparking, around a ?bare neo?.
i would not want to handle them without gloves either.

You can handle them with gloves, just don't try to machine them or let them ignite in anyway.

But, handling an uncoated neodynium is totally safe and non toxic, it only becomes toxic when ignited.

Honk · « **Reply #102 on:** August 31, 2007, 10:34:27 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on January 27, 2007, 03:27:21 PM

Seeing the first post in this thread has been removed I decided to have a hunt around and I think it went along these lines below:

**Quoted from another source**

on/off switch for permanent magnet

Ever considered whether it?s possible to turn a *permanent* magnet on/off at will ?

Well now you can, and those who are astute enough will realise how this can be used in motors, generators etc.

How is it done ? Simply apply a 180khz square wave current directly through the magnet at right angles to the magnetic field. Only a small current is required at a voltage of 12-20Volts.

Take a magnet, and ensure any protective metal coating is removed (e.g. most neodymiums have a metal layer over them). Then connect two wires, one to either side of the magnet at right angle to the direction of the magnetic field. Use conductive epoxy to do this. Then cover the whole magnet in an epoxy layer.

Then connect these wires to a simple square wave generator circuit, capable of going up to 250khz. At around 180khz you?ll notice the power of the magnet significantly reduced (to virtually zero).

An easy way to view this is to place another magnet in a tube, in such a way that it cannot rotate. With the other magnet with the wires attached oriented with North up. And the magnet in the tube oriented North DOWN. Place the tube on top of the other magnet. Thus the magnets repel.

As the tune your circuit up to 180khz you?ll be able to the see the repelled magnet lowering as the magnetic field diminishes. Switch off the current and the magnet in the tube leaps back up as it is repelled once again. The strength of the magnet does not appear to deteriorate even over many thousands of cycles.

Note I?m talking about a CURRENT being applied through the magnet NOT another magnetic field being applied at right angles using a coil or such like.

I removed the coating of a small Neo I got laying around but the magnet was just as conductive without the coating.
With coating the resistance from side to side was measured to 0R, without the coating the resistance was still 0R.
I don't believe the neo can be turned on/off by a square wave signal.

I also measured a ferrite magnet 4 times as big as the neo.
This resistance was approx 0.5 to 1.5 Megaohm depending on how hard pressure I put on the test pins.
If any magnet can be turned of it's a ferrite magnet.
I might try to do this at work during next week. I got access to a square wave generator capable of 0Hz to 800Khz
and putting out heavy currents as well. The square wave voltage can be adjusted between 5V to 40V.

Honk · « **Reply #103 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:25:13 AM »

I have now tested the so called ON/OFF mechanism on a ferrite magnet.
I'm sad to report that I did not notice any weakening of the magnetic field at 180KHz or any other frequency for that matter.
I tried voltages between 5-40V at 1Khz to 2Mhz (I tweaked our generator by swaping capacitors.)
The magnet had conductive tape onto it and I measured the resistance to approx 1Mohm.
Perhaps somebody else is lucky when trying this. Personally I think the original idea is flawed.

Thaelin · « **Reply #104 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:36:47 AM »

I have come to the conclusion of the same. I found no weakness in the field at all either. Best way to switch a magnet is like Jack does or Flynn does.

thaelin

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