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Author Topic: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...  (Read 68957 times)

gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2006, 10:43:32 PM »
I think using an iron wire coil around a magnet would be the easiest thing as you could use
very fine isolated garden wire, so the current would be low and just try to
toggle on/off the magnetic properties in this core-coil !
This way also the magnet will not be weakened !

Try it!

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2006, 10:43:32 PM »

gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2006, 10:56:53 PM »
Hi Tao,

This topic is immensely interesting and I would like to do a thorough investigation of the idea. Right now, I am working at my university in the physics department but as an Engineering student, I have access to pretty much whatever I need to do any testing so I want to setup a thorough experiment to prove once and for all if this does work. I want to start with ferrite magnets since the person said they worked well, but I'm trying to understand how to best attach the wires to the magnet. Do I simply touch the tips of the wire to the sides or is the conductive epoxy necessary to make a decent electrical connection... and as one person already mentioned, I wonder how this will effect ceramic magnets since they are already non-conductive.

Is there any way I could get in contact with the original person to ask him about this?

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. I?ll also try Stefan?s idea with the iron wire also.

If you have access to all the necessary equipment, just do it as outlined in the original post first. Don't change any of the variables. If that doesn't work, then go ahead and experiment with coils and iron wire etc. There are a lot of projects that have been declared not to work after half a dozen experimenters failed to even conduct their experiments to spec.  They immediately start modifying...

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2006, 11:48:06 PM »
Hi

I totaly agree with Hartiberlin - behaviour of coil
wound with iron wire is strange .
For example I produced a selenoid wound by iron wire
and this selenoid did not work . It surprised me.
Does somebody a theory why it is not working?

thanks


@kadora,
what exactly did you test ?
If you pulse the coil with square waves you will see no
Back EMF pulses coming from the coil, what a normal copper coil would do.
I guess this is because at lower current values the magnetic field is still completely
inside the iron of the coil. Maybe only higher currents will drive the magnet
field out of the iron wire..and then we would finally have Back EMF, when switching
off the current...
Or do you have another explanation ?

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2006, 11:48:06 PM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2006, 12:21:15 AM »
To many "perhabs"!

Hello Jack H.,there is an idea,JP2003009558,Keiichiro Asaoka,
a modular static dynamic EMF-amplifier,
there is also the use of permanent magnets !
You wrote about the possibility to influence the permanent magnet
force,to amplify or to neutralizise this force,
is this knowledge actually "secret",a part of your patent claims ?
Or can you tell us more details about the process ?

Sincerely
            de Lanca


gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2006, 01:03:20 AM »
Hi

I totaly agree with Hartiberlin - behaviour of coil
wound with iron wire is strange .
For example I produced a selenoid wound by iron wire
and this selenoid did not work . It surprised me.
Does somebody a theory why it is not working?

thanks


@kadora,
what exactly did you test ?
If you pulse the coil with square waves you will see no
Back EMF pulses coming from the coil, what a normal copper coil would do.
I guess this is because at lower current values the magnetic field is still completely
inside the iron of the coil. Maybe only higher currents will drive the magnet
field out of the iron wire..and then we would finally have Back EMF, when switching
off the current...
Or do you have another explanation ?

Yes, he didn't pump enough power into it.

Without knowing his set up, or what he meant by "it didn't work" all we can assume is that it did nothing. Not working could mean that it only moved a small amount, or whatever.

At any rate, as tao said in an earlier thread, the resistance in iron wire is about 10 times greater than copper wire. Think about what that does to inductance.

nuff said.

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2006, 01:03:20 AM »
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gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2006, 01:07:21 AM »
To many "perhabs"!

Hello Jack H.,there is an idea,JP2003009558,Keiichiro Asaoka,
a modular static dynamic EMF-amplifier,
there is also the use of permanent magnets !
You wrote about the possibility to influence the permanent magnet
force,to amplify or to neutralizise this force,
is this knowledge actually "secret",a part of your patent claims ?
Or can you tell us more details about the process ?

Sincerely
            de Lanca



I doubt hell answer. This is right up his alley, and if he wanted to help us with this, he'd have posted a long time ago in this thread.

we can cross our fingers though.

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2006, 01:24:27 AM »
Hey gn0stik,
he,JackH posted last week and I think that he visits periodly this forum !
This are strategical questions and probably we have to invest
a couple of time to get the right-functional-solutions !

S
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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2006, 01:24:27 AM »
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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2006, 05:13:50 AM »
Hello Jack H.,
okay,so we will wait !

The Asaoka Keiichiro invention desillusionated our technician,
he thought that the cross-wise combination of auto-transformer
would be something special-unknown !

Sincerely
            de Lanca







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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2006, 07:06:50 AM »
 "In fact it can also be done mechanically.
- Jack, does it mean that it's possible to eliminate an electric part?!!.. In fact the valve can be manipulated and mechanically.

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
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gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2006, 08:21:56 AM »
Hello all,

My magnetic valve does not use energy pulses, just plain old dc from a 6 volt dc latern battery(8 watts).   In fact it can also be done mechanically.

One day as soon as I get the patents back I will tell all.  Should be soon.

Later,,,,,JackH


That will be very cool.. I can't wait to have fun with that.

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2006, 02:44:36 PM »
So you change the direcetion of the electron spin precession ( magnetic moment ) by AC current.?
This discussion is a bit out of my topics,but there is so called spin valve systems,where magnets resistance is changed by external magnetic field.
http://www.ifw-dresden.de/iff/12/magneto/spinvalve.html
I wonder,if this kind of spin valve system can work in reversed mode,so that you can change magnetic domains direction by AC current?I have no time to think this deeply,but this is interesting topic anyway.

Esa

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2006, 07:55:30 AM »
i think the material needed to block magnetic fields needs to be very well compressed as much as possible in order to take usefull effect in a magnetic field. whatever that material is it needs to be compressed to the max to block magnetic fields.

gn0stik

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2006, 09:17:17 PM »
i think the material needed to block magnetic fields needs to be very well compressed as much as possible in order to take usefull effect in a magnetic field. whatever that material is it needs to be compressed to the max to block magnetic fields.

I don't even dare speculate, I can't imagine any method that would mechanically negate a magnet's field.

I can't wait to start experimenting with this however. Any eta on your patent Jack?

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2006, 12:33:58 AM »
Hello Light,

Yep, it can be done mechanically.  NO electricity at all.

later,,,,jackh


At last... I'm not alone with this opinion.
Thank you, Jack. I hope you get your patents soon!

Regards,
Gregory

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Re: Permanent Magnet: ON/OFF Mechanism...
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2006, 07:25:20 AM »
What prevents this from de-guassing the magnet?

 

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