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Title: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AbbaRue on July 16, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
I'm looking into testing this device out to see how well it works. 
It's mentioned in Patrick J. Kelly's online Guide in Ch.11
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter11.pdf
Pg. 87 has a diagram, but circuit is faulty when compared with the diagram in "Robert C. Beck, D.Sc."  Book.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Beck.pdf on page 19.

Here is the revised Diagram. (Wish I could contact Patrick to let him know about the error)
Also think the 22uF 35 V capacitor should be replaced by a 1k resistor. 
That section of circuit is only used to show you your batteries are still good before plugging in the electrodes.
That includes the 2 Zener Diodes and the bi colour LED. 




Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: bolt on July 17, 2011, 12:13:21 AM
I'm looking into testing this device out to see how well it works. 
It's mentioned in Patrick J. Kelly's online Guide in Ch.11
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter11.pdf
Pg. 87 has a diagram, but circuit is faulty when compared with the diagram in "Robert C. Beck, D.Sc."  Book.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Beck.pdf on page 19.

Here is the revised Diagram. (Wish I could contact Patrick to let him know about the error)
Also think the 22uF 35 V capacitor should be replaced by a 1k resistor. 
That section of circuit is only used to show you your batteries are still good before plugging in the electrodes.
That includes the 2 Zener Diodes and the bi colour LED.

This circuit is wrong and potentially dangerous! This will create polarised DC pulses if the bias is not setup perfect on the op amp causing possible electrolysis of the blood.   I don't know where this circuit came from but i memory tells me Beck used a relay version for many years and i don't think this was in his lecture papers.  If it was then much better ways to do this.

You MUST use alternating AC square pulses that rest at 0v. This is why beck prototype used a flip state relay to reverse polarity on each pulse +27   0v   - 27v This point is VERY clear Beck mentioned this many many times.

Ideal circuit will be inverter circuit push pull o/p stage driving a small audio type transformer to step up voltage from just 1.5v AA battery to around 40 V PP adjustable to produce quasi square true AC  and NOT pulsed DC.

BTW The cap is correct its lights the LEDS for a few seconds till the cap is charged then the LED goes out to prevent draining the batteries so its a quick test as the socket switched is plugged in and out. A resistor will keep the circuit LED ON and batteries go dead. Also many TENS units are now very cheap on Ebay. Some are really neat cellphone size that are multi-mode devices. They will cover 1hz to 10khz sine, triangle, pulsed DC, square AC etc therefore one device can be a TENS unit for pain trapped nerves etc,  beck blood cleaner,  brain tuner,  Cranial Electro brain stimulator, sleep induction,  Alcohol and Drug addiction control device and so much more all by selecting the right frequencies and modes. Beck did a lot of work in Brain Tuners long before the blood cleaner.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AbbaRue on July 17, 2011, 01:28:03 AM
This circuit comes directly form Beck's book, on page 19.
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Beck.pdf
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: Les Banki on July 17, 2011, 03:45:14 AM
Perhaps you should take a look at my "combination unit" design (blood cleaner & colloidal silver maker) which are still being produced.
Several THOUSANDS have been sold in the past 15 years or so.

'Dark Field Microscopy' blood analysis were done by doctors in the early days (just after starting production) showing TOTAL elimination of parasites in the blood after just a few days of use. (I recommend 1 hour a day.)

I have tried to share this info (free) in the past but it fell on deaf ears!

Best regards,
Les Banki

Ps.  Attached is the circuit diagram, pcb layout, user instructions and an old picture!
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: bolt on July 17, 2011, 04:00:04 AM
Les,

Your circuit is very well thought out and is what people should be using. The simple op-amp is a terrible hack and has so many flaws i am amazed this ended up in Beck's pdf book. I see your circuit has a stable voltage boost to drive from just one pp3 battery and decent transistor  push pull o/p to give perfectly clean AC square wave together with constant current silver maker.

Regarding how effective these devices are they are a life saver and is part of my "first aid" kit and has been used for over  6 years now. If people are going to use them then do it properly or buy one or you can cause more harm then good.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: Les Banki on July 17, 2011, 05:23:02 AM
bolt,

I thank you for highlighting the dangers of so-called "simple" designs!

At my end, (NOT on Internet) I have also warned people about this as I have seen some really stupid (meaning DANGEROUS) circuits just after Bob Beck published his designs.  (Many have tried to implement their own interpretations/ideas.)

To those who visit this thread and read the warnings by 'bolt' and myself, please take it seriously.  The DANGER is real!

Best regards,
Les Banki



Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: friendenergy on July 18, 2011, 03:49:01 AM
This technology was first created by who? Beck? Did he have amazing success with his method? Did he test his method? If so what circuit did he use? If there were successful test was he using the circuit in the book? Did he tell someone to make a perfect AC squarewave and the first person made it right and used it for the test? Then maybe someone told him this circuit that he put in the book was easier but didn't test it on a scope to be sure it is right. You say it's wrong did he know it was wrong? What gives here guys? Trying to make a point. I get you say his circuit is bad, why is it in his book? For all of us to harm ourselves? What's the story or what have you come to the conclusion of? Who discovered that a circuit like the one in his book is really bad for the body? Who did those test? What did it show to happen? Links would help also.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: friendenergy on July 18, 2011, 04:04:39 AM
Les...I'm still in the beggining stages of electronic circuits. You have a kit still for sell or a unit already made? Please share.

Title: Looking for Bob Beck's Brain Tuner Schematic
Post by: MasterPlaster on November 05, 2011, 01:07:27 PM

I hope you can help. I have been serching very hard for Bob Beck's Brain/Bio Tuner schematic but have had no success in locating one.

It looks like it is deliberately been kept out of public.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: edya on October 23, 2012, 01:21:42 PM
Hi all...
I'm new for this forum, and sory for my english...
i'm following to build les design of his combination unit. because of my lack to electronic, i was unable to get the zapper sensation, it seem's like it doesn't work. but for the CS maker side, it work nicely...

so perhaps (specially bolt) would share his combination unit of les banki's design, that you've used for almost 6 year (photo or video), or anything tips, so i can build this unit (i've spent 3 pcb's for making this unit)...

i'm so helplessly...

note : the picture's of mine will be uploaded soon...
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: promixe on April 19, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
This circuit is wrong and potentially dangerous! This will create polarised DC pulses if the bias is not setup perfect on the op amp causing possible electrolysis of the blood.   I don't know where this circuit came from but i memory tells me Beck used a relay version for many years and i don't think this was in his lecture papers.  If it was then much better ways to do this.

You MUST use alternating AC square pulses that rest at 0v. This is why beck prototype used a flip state relay to reverse polarity on each pulse +27   0v   - 27v This point is VERY clear Beck mentioned this many many times.
I built this circuit and it outputs a square wave AC. When unloaded there is a 0.3V DC Offset at the worst, when using unmatched 1% resistors. When loaded the DC offset evens itself out. (See scope pictures). It is exactly as Bob Beck described it. Please support your claim of this circuit being "wrong".
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AlienGrey on April 25, 2019, 12:22:28 AM
I remember making one of these things about 10 years ago, I don't see anyone mentioning the magic frequency of 432 kHz. by the way, he died. Anyway, what you want to do is cut all forms of sugar out of your diet it destroys your pancreas as it has to make insulin to neutralize the sugar level but it can't do it indefinitely don't say I didn't warn you.

Oh and the guy above shows a square wave it's supposed to be a sine wave.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Beck.pdf
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: promixe on April 25, 2019, 02:00:46 AM
I remember making one of these things about 10 years ago, I don't see anyone mentioning the magic frequency of 432 kHz. by the way, he died. Anyway, what you want to do is cut all forms of sugar out of your diet it destroys your pancreas as it has to make insulin to neutralize the sugar level but it can't do it indefinitely don't say I didn't warn you.

Oh and the guy above shows a square wave it's supposed to be a sine wave.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Beck.pdf
On page 19 of the document you linked Beck says "a 50 volt peak-to-peak SQUARE WAVE oscillator". Again, when you say "supposed to be a sine wave" you must support your claim, not merely give a link to a 60 page document.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AlienGrey on April 25, 2019, 01:59:20 PM
On page 19 of the document you linked Beck says "a 50-volt peak-to-peak SQUARE WAVE oscillator". Again, when you say "supposed to be a sine wave" you must support your claim, not merely give a link to a 60-page document.
Sure thing but you have an old document that circuit in the document is a sine wave oscillator and square waves aren't referred to as peek to peek sine waves are and in Bob's old home page he promoted a sine wave, not a square wave and Bob also had other circuits and how to make the  'coil'.
I will have to dig out my PCB card but i can tell you now it generates a sine wave 'NOT' a square wave it has a dual opamp chip on it! are you making your own PCB by any chance. Also silver collied on the skin can turn your skin blue  ;D if you're using it for hair loss or skin problems it's photographic. The thing with sine wave it is similar to our DNA I seem to remember BB commenting on.


Also, this stuff is banned in the US by the FDA if you make it and sell it you could get into mega trouble.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: promixe on April 26, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
I'm sorry but you are mistaken about this circuit. You may be thinking of some other circuit, not the "Beck Blood Cleanser", which is the topic of this thread.
Sure thing but you have an old document
You are the one who provided this document, not me. There is no reference to sine waves in this document, nor in any other Bob Beck documents or videos related to "Blood Cleanser/purifier".

that circuit in the document is a sine wave oscillator
It is not. It is a well known square wave oscillator circuit, shown in any electronics book as a "op-amp multivibrator". The output of it is a square wave.

square waves aren't referred to as peek to peek
Sure they are. Peak to peak as well as RMS references to square waves are as valid as for sine waves.

in Bob's old home page he promoted a sine wave, not a square wave and Bob also had other circuits and how to make the  'coil'.
Please provide sources for your statement. Bob Beck's original "Blood Purifier" circuit used a polarizing relay. How do you make a sine wave with a relay? There is no "coil" in this device.

but i can tell you now it generates a sine wave 'NOT' a square wave it has a dual opamp chip on it!
If you built the circuit from Bob Beck's schematic, either the original relay one or the dual op-amp one, it will output a square wave, not a sine wave.

I'm sorry to say this but every sentence you write about this device is misleading, not confirmed by any source, which further obscures this excellent technology, as if the establishment suppression of it wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AlienGrey on April 26, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
 No, you are quoting from the obsolete information!
 
So one version has a tumor zapper coil have you got that bit?
 are you driving that with a square wave?

Where did you find that one op-amp square wave generator circuit from that isn't in the BB hand out
you didn't get that from me mine does not have any relay anywhere near it!

I can use the device to make colied silver according to the info but it's not enough voltage to do it correctly
you need over 2000 volts or a modified microwave to do it correctly.


Have you found his old internet site with the updates and his other circuits?
There is also a cost to coast interview as well somewhere about a good ten years ago.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=bob+beck#id=58&vid=050d078ae77242ccd40b0885256d2b1a&action=view

Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: e2matrix on April 26, 2019, 05:23:55 PM
The Hulda Clark type zappers use square wave pulses and are positive only.   I've used a couple of them for years and they do work very well.   I would think a square wave is better at killing parasites than a sine wave.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: promixe on April 26, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
So one version has a tumor zapper coil have you got that bit?
 are you driving that with a square wave?
As I suspected we're talking about entirely different devices. You are referring to Bob's PEMG "Magnetic Pulser" device, which is a high voltage (~340VDC) and high power (~400A) air-core electromagnet coil driving device. This thread is about Bob's "Blood Cleanser", which is a low voltage battery powered portable wrist worn device. Neither of these devices are driven by a sine wave though. The "Magnetic Pulser" works off of AC mains and charges a bank of photoflash capacitors, then discharges them through a coil. Pulse rates of that device are very slow (2-6 seconds per pulse). What is most important for that device is the rate of change, i.e. how quickly current rises/falls, not how often the pulses are triggered.
The "Blood Cleanser" also relies on the rate of change, not on the frequency of the pulses. Because of this it uses a square wave, where the rate of change is as fast as possible and the frequency of the signal is not greatly important as it would be with a sine wave.

Where did you find that one op-amp square wave generator circuit from that isn't in the BB hand out
you didn't get that from me mine does not have any relay anywhere near it!
Pages 3 and 6 from the official Bob Beck website - https://www.bobbeck.com/pdfs/build-your-own.pdf (https://www.bobbeck.com/pdfs/build-your-own.pdf)
Page 19 of the original Bob Beck handout - http://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Bob%20Beck%20Protocol%20Blood%20Electro-Purifier%20Colloidal%20Silver/text/Take%20Back%20Your%20Power%20-%20Bob%20Beck.pdf (http://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Bob%20Beck%20Protocol%20Blood%20Electro-Purifier%20Colloidal%20Silver/text/Take%20Back%20Your%20Power%20-%20Bob%20Beck.pdf)
Also, page 21 of the last link has the original relay version of this device. Both schematics of this device output a square wave AC waveform.
It is the schematic Bob shows in this video - https://youtu.be/h6b5IFzBm6w?t=829 (https://youtu.be/h6b5IFzBm6w?t=829)

Also 1st post of this thread has the same schematic, drawn differently.
Title: Re: Beck Blood Cleanser
Post by: AlienGrey on April 27, 2019, 12:30:57 AM
No, i didn't make the coil zapper device but perhaps you can and let us all know if it kills the Monsanto toxins or not.