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Author Topic: No fuel, no input, no exhaust, runs cool, high horsepower and torque, on sealed  (Read 27469 times)

Offline mikestocks2006

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rare gases. Is this a true overunity device?
He has working models and claims 500 horsepower, at low rpm, and torque about 4x avg car.
A true overunity device? ZPE input to the treated gases? What do you think?
It looks like an offshoot of the old Papp engine designs?. It seems to work at least on this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2850891179207690407

The rare gas treatment seems complicated, but he hold a bottle of about 2 litre in his hands claiming it will run 10 thousand cars for 10-20 years!


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This is really amazing..
What do they do with the 3 coils around the cylinders ?
Produce any induction via magnets or just via these
spark pulses ?
At least it is a system, where they remove the batteries,
once the engine has started !
I would like to get more informations on the running principle...
How many gases do they mix together and how much energy
do they feed for firing once the cylinder ?

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This is really amazing..
What do they do with the 3 coils around the cylinders ?
Produce any induction via magnets or just via these
spark pulses ?
At least it is a system, where they remove the batteries,
once the engine has started !
I would like to get more informations on the running principle...
How many gases do they mix together and how much energy
do they feed for firing once the cylinder ?

Yep he removes the two batteries after the initial startup, and on top of it he makes the statement that the device is producing a lot of excess power to the tune of 300 Amps that he is dumping over some resistors.
He didn't say at what voltage is across the excess energy dissipating resistors, but high voltage coils were mentioned early on.

I think he might have mentioned Argon Krypton and Helium, but who knows what he ends up after the "treatment". He yhen fills the cylinder with about a dollar worth that would last for 10-20 years of operation. Possibly he is taping into ZPE/Aehter?

Amazing! maybe he's got it.

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I think, this is one of the most promosing technologies I have seen
in the last few years ! I wonder what has happened since 1994 or so,
when these videos were shot ?
Where is this technology currently and are these motor-generators
still available ?

Combing a few of these rare gases is really a good idea.
I had had some interesting effects already with Xenon tubes
2 years back, but I did not have time to check out mixes...
It could well be, that mixes of several of these gases
behave totally strange energy wise.
I wonder, if they used these 3 big coils around the
cylinders just for the plasma EMF induction into the coils
or if they had some permanet magnets on the cylinders
that would convert the mechanical energy
partially into electro-energy this way via the coils ?

I guess one could already win energy energy by the plasma
pulse induction energy output, so I guess
this could also be developped into a solid state overunity device !

Regards, Stefan.

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It appears to be an offshoot of the older Papp engine technology
Stefan,
According to link info, here is the gas blend:
"noble gases employed --- argon, helium, krypton, neon, and xenon --- "
"Rosen stressed that what Papp has done is design a fuel, not an engine. The secret blend of gases is the key"
http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/1papp.htm

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Hello, to this engine this was buid from  normal engine-car motor  (1.Version 90PS VOLVO) inlets and outlets  was locked and the engine works as closed system of which with a noble gas mixture is filled. 
Josel Papp is emigreated hungar. Ex pilot tidy .
 description with all detail designs of the engine are in the WWW
to find 9.march 2006 author: Patrick J. Kelly

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Hi all,

I found a book which explains what is happening in the Papp engine.  All the energy comes from passing the noble gases thru a spark which atomatizes them.  If you pass the hydrogen H2 molecules thru a spark, it separates into atomic hydrogen.  When the H plus H recombine into H2, tremendous heat is released.  The hdrogen is not consumed as in a flame, but recycled back to go thru the spark arc again.  If this is true, this is the holy grail of energy self sufficiency.  Even a simple electrolysis of water will give enough hydrogen to last if it is not consumed, but recycled.  Instead of hydrogen on demand, atomatise it thru an arc and recycle it.

William Lyne in his book "Occult Aether Physics" talks about his discovery of atomic hydrogen in the last chapter.  You can download the book free for a limited time at:

http://godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=191269&mpage=1&showdate=1/8/06

Scroll down the page to find it.  When rapid share opens, select free download and wait for visual code.
Lots of other good books at the above link.

Here is Tom Bearden and his comments:

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/a_h%20reaction.htm

Here is other link to atomic hydrogen:

http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html

I feel the "secret" formula for Papp and this video is smoke and mirrors.  What is really happening is atomic hydrogen atoms recombining to release tremendous heat and energy.  Then being recycled to do it again.

According to Lyne, there is even more energy in helium.  I read somewhere , that there is an explosive reaction in the presense of water.  Papp's patent calls for a percentage of oxygen free water in the mix of noble gases.

Instead of a gas engine, it might be easier to modify a commercial refrigeration pump to test the principal.
A block of metal could be machined and installed between the head and block to include the spark and the normal inlet modified for the hydrogen intake.  Then the outlet is routed back into the inlet.

An even more simple test is a metal pipe with a close fitting piston in it.  With a metal cap threaded on one end, the piston near the cap, then inject some hydrogen or helium and fire the spark and see the piston fly out the other end.  I guess if you are using hydrogen, you would have to vacuumize the chamber to keep the hydrogen from burning in the presence of oxygen.  Maybe helium is the key?  Won't explode like hydrogen and more power also.

Tishatang



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Shur , PAPP hase found it-

HELIUM that?s right.

Exactly :
Pappe have take an mixture of gasseswith atomic number below 19  !


36% HELIUM
26% NEON
17% ARGON
13% KRYPTON
8% XENON


and running this in an closed system made from an 4-cylinder VOLO 90  motor
and produced 90 horsepower without no in/outlet.

this mixture must changed against new gasses only all 2 years

Gustav Pes

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Read and understand , that this devices are NOT belived.

Source: Lyne

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1.

I have in my files a list of over 200 patents for vapor
carburetors, granted between the 1920s and 1940. Many of these
carburetors were available to the public until 1940, from such
manufacturers as the Holly Carburetor Company. These companies
still have them in their files, and probably still possess prototypes
and production models of them. So why don't they start
manufacturing them again and sell them to us?

The Pogue carburetor was tested in 1935. A V-8 Ford coupe,
driven from Winnipeg, Manitoba to Vancouver, B.C. Canada, got
130 miles per gallon. The government grabbed the carburetor and
put it on the Sherman Tank, as WW II began. The tanks got 70
miles per gallon. Rommel's Afrika Korps ran out of fuel. After the
8th A.F. Ploesti (Romanian) oil refinery raid, the Germans resorted
to American "acetylene chemistry" to produce gasoline from coal,
but the Panzer Korps eventually ran out of fuel during the war.
Hence, the Pogue carburetor became a "national security secret",
denied to the public by extraordinary "national security" policies.
The pattern of using the government's national security measures to
unconstitutionally suppress the natural technological progress of our
people has never been broken, at least not yet.

In 2000 it was announced that three Japanese-made "gasoline-
electric hybrid" cars would hit the open market in 2001 (they are on
the road now). The oil companies made a pre-emptive strike,


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fabricating an "energy crisis" in late 2000 to justify jacking up the
price of international and domestic fuels. They also manipulated the
markets and available energy resources to fabricate the "California
energy crisis". This 'crisis' and the artificial increase in the price of
Arab crude (the OPEC cartel was an invention of the international
importers, not the Arabs, who only do what they are told), were
used to excuse the sudden abandonment of the "conservation of our
national resources"?a major issue back in 1973?incredibly, to
support the continued suppression of domestic production in favor
of importation of foreign crude, right in the middle of another
(artificially-created) "fuel crisis"!

Domestic oil production has been suppressed since WW II in
favor of the large?mostly Rockefeller-owned?international oil
importers from sources in South America, the Middle East,
Indonesia, etc. The oil-importers were able to get our government
to limit domestic U.S. oil production, so they could buy cheap
foreign oil and sell petroleum products domestically at artificially
high prices at the expense of independent domestic producers, who
were restricted to limited production. In Texas, in the '60s, the
"five-day allowable" meant that domestic independent producers
could pump crude oil only five days per month. Meanwhile, the
international oil importers?which also owned plenty of domestic
mineral deposits?still had their foreign oil coming in every day of
every month without restrictions, so only the public, domestic
independents and oil workers were harmed by the illegal and
unconstitutional denial of income.

It is pertinent to note that, while we ordinary citizens are
denied the fuel-saving carburetors, the oil companies ship their
crude in giant, long, narrow tankers which exploit a highly efficient
nautical principle, using ships with proportionally long hulls to move
the crude from foreign locations to the coastal American refineries
of the Rockefeller companies with the greatest efficiency. When it
came to saving HIS money, John D. Rockefeller really didn't mess
around, but he made certain that the U.S. government prohibited us
from practicing the same kind of frugality.

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In 1967, before the 1973 "fuel crisis", the government began
to require special equipment on new automobiles for use in
America. One of these devices was the catalytic converter. So what
does a catalytic converter do? A catalytic converter contains
"activated carbon"?impregnated with a catalyst, such as "platinum
black" (platinum oxide) or "palladium black" (palladium
oxide)?which converts hydro-carbon gases or liquids to carbon
dioxide (CO2), on contact. Hydro-carbon gases and liquids are fuels,
which can be used to run your engine.

CO2 is a fire extinguisher, especially for hydrocarbon fuel fires.
If you put the hydrocarbons in the vapor state, from your gas tank,
into a carburetor vacuum intake, it will help to run your engine. If
you put CO2 into your carburetor vacuum intake, it will partially
"extinguish" the combustion in your engine, and rob you of gas
mileage. So why does the U.S. government require auto
manufacturers to install mandatory catalytic converters on your car,
which convert usable, raw hydrocarbon vapor fuel from your gas
tank, and CO (carbon monoxide) "blow-by" from your crankcase,
into a "fire extinguisher", then put that fire extinguisher into your
carburetor to interfere with the combustion in your engine, and rob
you of gas mileage? And why did it require the manufacturers to do
that in 1967? Because the oil companies wanted it to.


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Pese.

can you please give the exact data of the source you mentioned of this book about this Papp-Engine by Patrick J. Kelly
I can not find it in the www.

Thank you
Kator

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Joseph Papp:Noble Gas Engine,US4428193

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Hallo Lanca,

danke, sehr aufmerksam !

Ich suchte nach er Tratarini-Firma, aber kein Hinweis auf die Sonntag-Entwicklung.
Ich las in einem Forum, dass eventuell bei hoher Drehzahl und voller Batterie, die ?besch?ssige Energie in einem Heat-Shunt vernichtet wird. Ich kann mir das nicht vorstellen. Wenn es aer bei einigen Kfz-Typen so ist, besteht nat?rlich ein Einspar-Potenzial. ich werde das checken.

Danke f?r die Hinweise- sehr hilfreich.

Wie laufen die Tests ?

Kator

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Hallo Kator,
vielleicht ueber  www.tartarini-deutschland.de  versuchen !
Diese Gesellschaft bildete gemeinsam mit Hrn.Sonntag die "Power-Hybrid GmbH"

Tests ?
Ach,ja-verschoben !
Wir sind in der Endphase,nach drei ereignisreichen Jahren,so ist jede
zeitliche Pression, "erfahrungsgemaess" ,zu vermeiden !

MfG
     Lanca

p.s.: Tata,Indien, will/wird ein 2275$ "people?s car" auf den Markt bringen,ca.2008 !
        http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/aug/31tata1.htm
        Schaetzungsweise aehnlich dem russischen OkaI,von Kamaz,
        Listenpreis 2900$,
        welches 5,5Lt./100KM an Benzin verbraucht(Stadt/Land).
        Eine Optimierung dieser Fahrzeuge auf 1,5/1,0 Lt. fossilen Kraftstoff per
        100 KM wuerde die "westliche" Automobil-Industrie zu besserer
        Verbrauchsleistung "erzwingen" !
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kathor 01

yes i give information by mail

g.pese

was hard to find

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http://pese.150m.com/fe/D11.pdf

here is the pdf for PAPP Nobel--GAS.Motor

pls download it .  wil not stay longer than 2 weeks on my web-space

G.Pese

Next : Tesla Patents 40Mb ! 500 pages pdf.
Most i have not seen before in www.

 

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