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Title: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on June 28, 2011, 10:05:30 PM
Hi All,
have a look at the new Pyramid from Thomas Trawöger at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQvw-ITsvzk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQvw-ITsvzk)


His  website is
http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/ (http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/)

There you can find the full videos how to build this pyramid.

His pyramid seems to have at least a few Watts of output
and is just a solid state device.


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on June 28, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
Questions and answer video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0QvgGj2xs


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: caccr2000 on June 29, 2011, 12:19:05 AM
video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMbHswNoGWM
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: MT on June 29, 2011, 12:25:47 AM
Hi Stephan,
thx for posting it. Seems here we go again. I still remember Christmas 2007 how TT promised to post complete manual how to build pyramid producing electricity.
He left and went quiet after posting the second part... His servers (which have had allegedly multiple backups) that should spread the info got hacked. Quite some  people tried to replicate from info he released. You know the result. My pyramid frame got rusty in the mean time, gips plates bended...
So now he is back and with 3 hour video that should make the difference.
Hmmmm.
Lets first get to see the complete video. His website already reached the daily limit. Could somebody download the two video parts?

kind regards,
MT



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on June 29, 2011, 05:27:40 PM
Yes , I too built a pyramid ,back in the day .In spite of investing time and money I could not afford , I got not so much as a milliwatt .  I remember being bitterly disappointed .
 However , because the cause of free energy is so important , I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt .I look forward to seeing the videos . My old pyramid has long since gone for scrap . If someone successfully replicates this , then I will try to build another .It is only hope that keeps us going .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tinu on June 29, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
Yes , I too built a pyramid ,back in the day .In spite of investing time and money I could not afford , I got not so much as a milliwatt .  I remember being bitterly disappointed .
 However , because the cause of free energy is so important , I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt .I look forward to seeing the videos . My old pyramid has long since gone for scrap . If someone successfully replicates this , then I will try to build another .It is only hope that keeps us going .

I fully respect your views but I do not give him that benefit.
He is a pathological liar, at least. A world-class impostor.
(Oh, check his site: same old story.)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DrStiffler on June 29, 2011, 08:27:03 PM
I fully respect your views but I do not give him that benefit.
He is a pathological liar, at least. A world-class impostor.
(Oh, check his site: same old story.)

@all
If you are going to pitch something like this most left field device, then at a minimum do not wear a jail house (prison) stripped shirt.

Lets show each piece of the process so we know for sure that no batteries are in the main vertical coil or that the struts themselves are not bringing in the energy from a hidden source.

Why is this highlighted as an attraction, unless that is all it is...........
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on June 29, 2011, 08:45:48 PM
I Had to laugh out loud about the Jail House shirt ! So at least we know that when a man is released from Wantdynamo Bay he gets to take his shirt home ! The main reason I will wait and see is this . In any scam , it is usually easy to see how the scammer will make money from it . Unless he plans to sell a lot of advertising on his website , how is he going to do that ? What other motivation could he have ? I sometimes wonder how many people have discovered something and are forced to keep quiet due to these MIB stories . The one consolation is , if we end up in prison , we will find ourselves among faces we recognise .
I feel a song coming on..
        We will all meet one day ,
         In Wantdynamo bay ....
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DrStiffler on June 29, 2011, 09:13:56 PM
I Had to laugh out loud about the Jail House shirt ! So at least we know that when a man is released from Wantdynamo Bay he gets to take his shirt home ! The main reason I will wait and see is this . In any scam , it is usually easy to see how the scammer will make money from it . Unless he plans to sell a lot of advertising on his website , how is he going to do that ? What other motivation could he have ? I sometimes wonder how many people have discovered something and are forced to keep quiet due to these MIB stories . The one consolation is , if we end up in prison , we will find ourselves among faces we recognise .
I feel a song coming on..
        We will all meet one day ,
         In Wantdynamo bay ....
@neptune
Did you miss an important aspect to all of this? Me for example, I accept no donations, request no funding, am not selling partnerships, not selling dvd's, not selling books, yet I do indeed sell a circuit board which is not a business by any stretch of the imagination, only so all people wishing to follow me can have the (same) circuit to work with. Yet I am a con-man, but because the money connection can not be shown it must be I want to be popular and reinforce my bigger than life ego, so the pundits say.

Anyway, I doubt that money is really the root of all deception and it might in many case be difficult to understand what the motive is, although more frequent than not, that motive has become (occupation), keep the idol minds busy with 'bs' and twisted, distorted fact. In this way they all crowd around some stupid idea that keeps them away from a truth.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tinu on June 29, 2011, 09:20:58 PM
@all
If you are going to pitch something like this most left field device, then at a minimum do not wear a jail house (prison) stripped shirt.

Lets show each piece of the process so we know for sure that no batteries are in the main vertical coil or that the struts themselves are not bringing in the energy from a hidden source.

Why is this highlighted as an attraction, unless that is all it is...........

Several lies that I proved back then in 2008:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.msg71242#msg71242

You may send me now a T-shirt or an exciter, your choice ;)
I'll test either one of it. :)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DrStiffler on June 29, 2011, 09:37:39 PM
Several lies that I proved back then in 2008:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.msg71242#msg71242

You may send me now a T-shirt or an exciter, your choice ;)
I'll test either one of it. :)

Your on - IF?
Are you in the USA, I stopped shipping Exciters just about 9 months ago out of the US for various reasons.

If in the US or want to supply me direct email a shipping forward address and can via picture or email assure me you are capable of seeing in a quantitative way a CEC>1, meaning the proper test equipment and ability to use and interrupt it, then yes!. Will be happy to send you one????
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tinu on June 29, 2011, 10:14:38 PM
Your on - IF?
Are you in the USA, I stopped shipping Exciters just about 9 months ago out of the US for various reasons.

If in the US or want to supply me direct email a shipping forward address and can via picture or email assure me you are capable of seeing in a quantitative way a CEC>1, meaning the proper test equipment and ability to use and interrupt it, then yes!. Will be happy to send you one????

I’m from Europe and I know you do not ship anymore…
Capable? Partially… I’m physicist but don’t have RF testing equipment to freely work with, at least at present.
So, regardless of how much I’d like to feel the tickling of one of your Exciters in my hands, I’ll get back to my place in the line.
Thanks for confirming your good will and openness.
And please continue your work while keeping us posted.

Respectfully,
Tinu

(Oh, as a side note: there are no hidden batteries in the pyramid. I found out TT is a HAM operator and he has a license for several hundreds watts, more than enough to run the show.)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DrStiffler on June 29, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
I’m from Europe and I know you do not ship anymore…
Capable? Partially… I’m physicist but don’t have RF testing equipment to freely work with, at least at present.
So, regardless of how much I’d like to feel the tickling of one of your Exciters in my hands, I’ll get back to my place in the line.
Thanks for confirming your good will and openness.
And please continue your work while keeping us posted.

Respectfully,
Tinu

(Oh, as a side note: there are no hidden batteries in the pyramid. I found out TT is a HAM operator and he has a license for several hundreds watts, more than enough to run the show.)

Once I stopped shipping out side US I have not seem a drop in orders and they use some re shipper in the state of Florida. I have no idea what that costs and it must be less than the $20-$30US to ship with tracking. Anyway after seeing your remarks on this thread I would love to send you one, just so you can feel that empty feeling when your try to explain it ???. Really if you look into this method of getting it to you I will gladly spend the $5.90US to get it to a re-mailer, and like I said this is not a business, it has merit.

Thanks....
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tysb3 on June 29, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
The old scammer again on the top?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMbHswNoGWM&playnext=1&list=PL7E73C5CC0455846A
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bolt on June 29, 2011, 11:37:40 PM

Oh, as a side note: there are no hidden batteries in the pyramid. I found out TT is a HAM operator and he has a license for several hundreds watts, more than enough to run the show

That's it! Bang on correct! I was trying to make the connection when he cut his wire a bit too short then add another two inches with a connector and he said something like "i cut this one too short and it messed up the  swar (VSWR)"   now that lingo is dead give away for a HAM or CB. This is why he had to match that to his 40m rig. Now you confirmed he is a HAM operator its pretty much game over for him and people shouldn't waste any more time here.

You see if you are really tuning into the ambient you do NOT use Hertzian or transverse wave tuned systems they are ALL longitudinal wave systems and are not tuned to a VSWR.

While pyramid systems DO hold some energy for growing plants etc this is well documented AND repeatable but no one else get like 20 watts out of them UNLESS they are fake and hit with least 500 watts RF.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on June 30, 2011, 12:19:44 AM
That's it! Bang on correct! I was trying to make the connection when he cut his wire a bit too short then add another two inches with a connector and he said something like "i cut this one too short and it messed up the  swar (VSWR)"   now that lingo is dead give away for a HAM or CB. This is why he had to match that to his 40m rig. Now you confirmed he is a HAM operator its pretty much game over for him and people shouldn't waste any more time here.

You see if you are really tuning into the ambient you do NOT use Hertzian or transverse wave tuned systems they are ALL longitudinal wave systems and are not tuned to a VSWR.

While pyramid systems DO hold some energy for growing plants etc this is well documented AND repeatable but no one else get like 20 watts out of them UNLESS they are fake and hit with least 500 watts RF.


If you dont build it, of course you will never know the truth, you can only theorize because you have not tried it.  this setup doesnt seem to cost lots of $ ,   people dont be discouraged,  TRY it,  then say whatever the real truth is. 
here is the proof this tech works, and TRAWOGER copied it from Les brown then rearranged things -

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI&feature=related   

the polyesterene string is the sheeps wool string.
here is another device which prooves that even 500 watts can be withdrawed from the "air"
http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm

and i believe Egyptians did not build their pyramids for only making graves as they would have needed to start making the grave for the king before he was born... 
Obviously something is hidden from peoples sight, and i believe the pyramid could deliver hundreds of gigawatts of power if set up correctly..
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bolt on June 30, 2011, 01:07:20 AM

If you dont build it, of course you will never know the truth, you can only theorize because you have not tried it.  this setup doesnt seem to cost lots of $ ,   people dont be discouraged,  TRY it,  then say whatever the real truth is. 
here is the proof this tech works, and TRAWOGER copied it from Les brown then rearranged things -

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI&feature=related   

the polyesterene string is the sheeps wool string.
here is another device which prooves that even 500 watts can be withdrawed from the "air"
http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm

and i believe Egyptians did not build their pyramids for only making graves as they would have needed to start making the grave for the king before he was born... 
Obviously something is hidden from peoples sight, and i believe the pyramid could deliver hundreds of gigawatts of power if set up correctly..

I did say that the system needs to be tuned into longitudinal waves to work as in the case of  Markovitz device but again several people have tried for over 30 years to replicate this too and no one has got more than a few mW output.  The TRAWOGER just doesn't cut it for me sorry as the principle construction is very wrong. People that know me know im usually very optimistic but there are far far better things to select for possible OU and spend your money on instead. I might change my mind if someone ever manages to get more than 1 watt output but i doubt that will happen. The odds of winning the lotto are MUCH greater.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: crazycut06 on June 30, 2011, 02:19:06 AM
Correct me if im wrong, how come a dc fan work, connected directly to the coil without using any diodes? i've seen a pyramid before that purifies water, but not this kind, powering a 12V halogen lamp.... ??? maybe he use rechargable batteries inside the tube  :o ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 30, 2011, 09:10:05 AM
This is hillariously tragic!!  You guys truly don't see it do you!  Wow.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on June 30, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
In comparison to 90% of mindboggling theories and wacky electronics experiments in this forum - his actual build instructions are pretty straight forward - and a replication should be quite idiot proof - as long as you get hold on a competent dowser;-))
But its quite interesting which people immediate replied on this thread.


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on June 30, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Correct me if im wrong, how come a dc fan work, connected directly to the coil without using any diodes? i've seen a pyramid before that purifies water, but not this kind, powering a 12V halogen lamp.... ??? maybe he use rechargable batteries inside the tube  :o ??? ??? ???

As long as there is a DC path - (no cap in series) - there is no doubt that a DC current may flow.
There is no iron law that you need a diode to get DC from a coil.
There are lots of possibilities to get DC in that context.
If you think about the early crystal-detector radios - you will realize that there are other ways to achieve semi-conducting properties - without using a "diode".
Or somewhat synchronous demodulation/multiplication would end up with a dc compound...

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on June 30, 2011, 11:23:17 AM
Correct me if im wrong, how come a dc fan work, connected directly to the coil without using any diodes? i've seen a pyramid before that purifies water, but not this kind, powering a 12V halogen lamp.... ??? maybe he use rechargable batteries inside the tube  :o ??? ??? ???
Another possibility would be that the stuff feeds rf - that rf would be rectified inside the fan by the protection diodes of the driver chip and decoupled by the internal capacitors. This again would add a DC compound to the source lines.
If your rf frequency is well above what the fan input circuitry can decouple (el.caps) - this would work.
Maybe not forever...
But in a setup with 1.5mm wire and pretty low source impedance I would exclude that.












Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on June 30, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Observations:

Looking at an old video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMbHswNoGWM&playnext=1&list=PL7E73C5CC0455846A showing the first "pyramid power set up" from 2006) and at the new video from a few days ago (http://www.youtube.com/user/Nanotec99#p/u/13/3e0QvgGj2xs showing a new "pyramid power set up") gives the impression that the inventor is still using the same pyramid (made from rectangular cross section iron tubes and gypsum plates with the same ring and short round tube at the peak of the pyramid).

According to my opinion, an inventor or discoverer of "pyramid power" would build and show several pyramids in the course of five years, just to make his point? Since he claims to disclose "everything", showing several pyramids could not hurt his interests, to the contrary, it would greatly contribute to his credibility.

In the new videos http://www.youtube.com/user/Nanotec99 the inventor stresses the careful handling of the tube filled with quartz sand (filled under high voltage and frequency). Since no "compression of the sand" is allowed to happen, the sand will rearrange itself in case the tube is turned upside down. The inventor turns the tube several times upside down and back in the videos, it is also placed several times in a horizontal position. A "not compressed sand" will not keep its "spatial arrangement induced by high frequency or high tension" when handled like this. There will be a bit of empty space (most probably at the top) where the sand will flow into when the tube is turned upside down or placed horizontally.

According to my opinion, the filling of the sand and the subsequent handling of the filled tube is not consistent with its claimed properties. May be it does not mater how the sand is filled in and whether it moves a bit after filling, but the inventor is very adamant that the sand needs to stay in a very special spatial arrangement.

The only "strange" part of the whole pyramid is the filling of the quartz sand and its alleged "strange" properties. And this is not easy to reproduce, such giving an excuse in case the pyramid does not work.

I hope to see several different pyramids in coming videos of the inventor. If not, well .......

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on June 30, 2011, 02:32:57 PM
I managed to see now all 13 videos over here in North Sweden on te road in ny camping mobile van via my mobile phone after a tire went flat and I had to change it in the middle of nowhere...

Anyway, if this really works to extract the power of leylines, this will be very interesting.
Would have loved to see some scopeshots.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on June 30, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
I managed to see now all 13 videos over here in North Sweden on te road in ny camping mobile van via my mobile phone after a tire went flat and I had to change it in the middle of nowhere...

Anyway, if this really works to extract the power of leylines, this will be very interesting.
Would have loved to see some scopeshots.

Regards, Stefan.

@Stefan: I saw all videos last night. First I was very enthusiastic, but after some long reflections this morning and considering what I know about Austrians (being an Austrian myself) I get some very skeptical feelings.

The behavior of the inventor is not what a discoverer of something really baffling would do. First of all one would build more than one "thing", simply to be able to show it to many people (even under a non disclosure agreement one needs more than one gadget to convince any one). And he claims that it takes about one day to build one and that it dose not cost too much. Even if it takes a week and on a tight budget, within five years one could have several.

In 2006 it was magnets, now it is quartz sand filled in a strange way which does the trick. This does not give me confidence. Tricks in 2006 make tricks in 2011 most likely.

The discoverer should show more devices, than it will be easier to believe him. Full disclosure looks different to what I see and hear in the videos. It is good show, but we need more than a show.

The inventor should invite you and show you several working pyramids. That would be full disclosure. I guess it would not matter to you whether it is "over unity" or "power harvesting from nature".

I tent to follow bolt's opinion: the pyramid receives power from a RF-transmitter somewhere near.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on June 30, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
First I was very enthusiastic, but after some long reflections this morning and considering what I know about Austrians (being an Austrian myself) I get some very skeptical feelings.
At least he is not from "Linz".

Otherwise if the outer pyramid construction influences the outcome only by a small degree - why should there be any reason to weld pyramids over and over if you have limited space.

In 2006 it was magnets
The "copymark" secret with the magnet was already exposed years ago.

now it is quartz sand filled in a strange way which does the trick. This does not give me confidence.
What gives you confidence ? A small signal transistor (selected out of 150pcs from conrad) operating in avalanche mode connected with 16 crocodile cables measured in undersampling math mode on a tek scope? gg.

Even if this type of equipment can be found in almost any Austrian attic (CB+"Billigziegel) - 
the other option of using an iginition coil - should be not that tricky for the average replicator.
Just start your car with one sparkplug disconnected ;-)))

The inventor should invite you and show you several working pyramids. That would be full disclosure. I guess it would not matter to you whether it is "over unity" or "power harvesting from nature".

(...) the inventor should invite you for a 6pack of beer and show you his series production line....
I think he is definitely bored of that way of disclosure.

Anyway - I  know some places with certified waterlines - so the overall effort shouldn´t be that much - the material used is cheaper than a solar panel with similar power. So I will build one this summer.
The "soup" on his V6 instructions was definitly to thin for me starting a construction project.
Now I have the feeling that the construction secrets are almost clear - and the construction principles are somewhat consistent.
What concerns the "wire" used it would make sense to use the same brand... because this type of wire has no specified dielectric property.

rgds.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on June 30, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
I think this is no fake.
Why should he do it like this ?

From all the videos you see, that he is really into pyramids and
that the old system was bought out by a big company, so he wanted to make money
with it.

I don´t see any reason for faking it.

He would make himself a real fool, if it would come out, that this is a fake.

And please no bad comments about the cothes of any user...

We will see, if somebody can replicate it.

He said to me, there is a guy that has a 3.8 Meter big pyramid
and I am already anxious to see his results.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 01, 2011, 03:09:41 AM

Hi OU Dot Com Guys,

Just my2cents.

I do not "feel" that this guy is a fake. To me, he is honest.
Of course, I can (must?) be wrong as I was too gullible with some other devices (this bl' f' alleged-self-running-on-cap-only "Window Motor", for example)...

Logically speaking: usually the con men are (were?) more "expeditious" and do not spend too much time making up their traps.
Now, to divert people from the right path, incite them to spend time and money and, finally, discourage them; some individuals (agents?) can (have to?) be more 'patient'...

Is it because "OU" is coming in plain sight?

The "Pyramid Man"'s device is a mix of:

1) Pyramid stuffs (claimed (and proved?), notably, to be able to maintain razor blades sharp without the auxiliary source of energy ; see: Karel Drbal, Prague, Patent Number 91304). OK.

2) Way of assembling coils a la DANIEL MCFARLAND COOK (patent US119825 -  Oct 10 1871).

3) Kinda way of building permanent magnets or (permanent also) electrets.

4) fuzzy 'Lost Science' stuffs (G. Vassilatos (a good book however, IMHO)).

Any-way I will not try to reproduce this device because:
1) I have no 20 watts CB amplifier. It is slang called a "slipper" and is forbidden in France.

2) He did not specify AM or FM.

Yes, I'm kidding. :P

So, finally, I do not know what to think about this device...
1) Is it genuine?

2) Is "Pyramid Man" a kinda "Electric Man" (sounds not):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY745NxZwsY

3) Or, is he another Daniel Pomerleau?:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Daniel_Pomerleau_Free_Energy_Coils

Very Best

PS : you know what?
An 'OU' electric unit is fine, but still rare and kept secret. Is-it not?

A Diesel Generator that runs of water alone (HHO) is *absolutely not* out of reach. Indeed; it is noisy but just noisy.

What about this boat with a 500 HP engine that runs on sea water only? :
http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FHydrogen%2FMIG_675%2F  (http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FHydrogen%2FMIG_675%2F)
In French : http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/MIG_675/ (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/MIG_675/)


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: 11111 on July 01, 2011, 04:06:28 AM
V12 circuit
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: a.king21 on July 01, 2011, 06:04:40 AM
A new circuit by Patrick Kelly really works and it's true free energy. It's by an unknown Danish Developer. It's on chapter 7 page 8 of his free PDF book.  I suggest we all get into it and maybe figure out how to tune it to get more power. I recycled the components from 2 cfl's to make the circuit.
I use aluminium foil for the aerial. It works.
I promise you that you won't waste your time with this one.
It's worth developing.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 01, 2011, 06:20:22 AM
@hartiberlin:

Even though I live in Canada, I was raised speaking German, so I can understand the video's quite well. 
I believe Trawöger is speaking of filling the tube with Quartz Sand. 
Could you confirm this? and is this the sand used for sand blasting? 

Thanks Harold.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: a.king21 on July 01, 2011, 06:28:28 AM
It seems a lot of forum members have wasted time with this. I've come across a circuit in Patrick Kelly's pdf book chapter 7 page 8 that really works. It's nothing to do with pyramid power but it is free energy. It is worth developing. It is an aerial system and the circuit is quite easy. You'll certainly get some energy. I think if we can tune it we may be on the trail of Moray and Tesla.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on July 01, 2011, 07:52:16 AM
It seems a lot of forum members have wasted time with this. I've come across a circuit in Patrick Kelly's pdf book chapter 7 page 8 that really works. It's nothing to do with pyramid power but it is free energy. It is worth developing. It is an aerial system and the circuit is quite easy. You'll certainly get some energy. I think if we can tune it we may be on the trail of Moray and Tesla.

@a.king21:  could you please post a link to this Patrick Kelly PDF-book or please post a picture of the circuit so that we know what you are talking about?

Greetings, Conrad

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: e2matrix on July 01, 2011, 08:40:21 AM
@a.king21:  could you please post a link to this Patrick Kelly PDF-book or please post a picture of the circuit so that we know what you are talking about?

Greetings, Conrad

Hi Conrad,  PK's book is one of the best on the planet :)  2200 + pages for download : http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 01, 2011, 10:12:34 AM
@11111
A coil on a copper tube can be seen as LC tank on its own.
So we have 2 lc tanks in series with coupled flux.
In the presence of a varying electric field in the quartz sand - which is kind of shielded by the 2 copper tubes - there will be an magnetic nearfield compound which feeds  both coils.
In the case both coils would be wound in different direction - the output voltage would nullify.
The comment that the outer coil has to be wound very stiff with insulation tape could just be another way to dampen the outer copper tube (prevent mechanical oscillation to max out the quartz effect)
Seen from the far side - this is an LC tank with adjusted standing wave at an output port - which makes it feasible to extract somewhat DC. The caps are tuned to adjust this DC - swr -

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 01, 2011, 10:30:10 AM
Any-way I will not try to reproduce this device because:
1) I have no 20 watts CB amplifier. It is slang called a "slipper" and is forbidden in France.
Is it forbidden to use them on an antenna or is it even forbidden to own them  ;-)))
An idling car running on  3cyl with one ignition wire "used" for proper formation should work either.
rgds.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 01, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
I watched all the videos last night .Regarding quarts sand , many kinds of sand , and other substances are used for sand blasting .We need a better source , and this area needs more research . What is meant by underground water lines ?Are we talking "Leylines" here ?
  IMO dowsing is rubbish , or someone would have used it to win the James Randi $1,000,000 .That is my opinion , others may not share it .
     IMO the use of a CB amplifier is doubtful . 50 watt models are scarce and expensive , and you would not be wise to run them into a mismatched load , even for 2 minutes . The car ignition idea might be better , but could be very dangerous .Problem is , after all that trouble there is no way to be certain that the sand has been successfully treated . Couple that with the task of finding a successful dowser[ deviner] and suddenly the Lotto seems easy . Why not save yourself some pain . Just use your dowser to "devine" next weeks lottery numbers .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 01, 2011, 01:15:08 PM
I watched all the videos last night .Regarding quarts sand , many kinds of sand , and other substances are used for sand blasting .We need a better source , and this area needs more research
I remember that he adviced to use high quality filter sand used for pool circulation pumps.

. What is meant by underground water lines ?Are we talking "Leylines" here ?
  IMO dowsing is rubbish , or someone would have used it to win the James Randi $1,000,000
Leylines is more commonly used for the grid of force lines.
In this case I think its more about underground waterflow

From a physicians point of view, the rubishness of "leylines" and dowsing is on the same level as most of the overunity stuff (even if you dont want to hear that) - so I would give it a chance - even if the tradition of these rubbish trades back to ancient times and is even mentioned in the bible.

IMO the use of a CB amplifier is doubtful . 50 watt models are scarce and expensive , and you would not be wise to run them into a mismatched load , even for 2 minutes.
The amp used is somewhat "25Watt" model - consisting of one rf transistor stage.
I would doubt that it is capable of delivering more than 20 Watts
You can run them that way for 2 minutes - but maybe 8minutes will be too long.
If the case will reach 60 deg C it would be time to stop;-==))
This type is not scarce nor expensive - thats the base entry crap amp + crap swr meter;-)

The car ignition idea might be better , but could be very dangerous .Problem is , after all that trouble there is no way to be certain that the sand has been successfully treated.
I think there is a procedure mentioned in the video

So the remaining miracle is which type of wave or radiation is focused by the leylines - and can be reflected by gypsum in an attached pyramide. If the leylines  are just "work" to focus that radiation - the root-source would be somehow coupled to the magnetic field of the earth.
2 years ago, thinking about this pyramid thing - I already thought about some high bandwidth micro-"gravitational" effect. (not real gravitation).
On some not too serious dowser pages - they claim its kind of neutron radiation... but I don´t think so.
If this device is just tapping that energy - there should be a force interaction between the sand and the  tapped field  - if you load it - and its not OU
We´ll see it (or not).
rgds.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 01, 2011, 01:32:30 PM
maybe its even possible to construct artificial "leylines" on large scale once you understood the background.
I remember that there was some mysterious chamber found in the foundation of the Gizeh paramid @ apex position. Control rod(!???) who cares ;.-))
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 01, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
tb pawlicki's book talks about something similar to that fritz... interesting theory on the pyramids being used as global power/communications. pretty sure you can find the first chapters about the saucer online if i recall. not sure i ever found the later chapters about the pyramids online or not.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Flying-Saucer-Engineerings/dp/0134024613

edit: the site that used to have the saucer part isn't online anymore (geocities) but the quick search (i'm leaving for the lake soon otherwise i would have done better) i did turned up the table of contents.

    1. MEGALITHIC ENGINEERING: How to Build Stonehenge and the Pyramids with Bronze Age Technology
    2. THIS CRYSTAL PLANET: How to Create a Worldwide Communications Network – Still Using Bronze Age Technology
    3. BEYOND VELIKOVSKY: Einstein’s Relativity Demostrated, Mining Pure Energy from Empty Space, and the Green Hills of Mars
    4. HOW TO BUILD A FLYING SAUCER: After So Many Amateurs Have Failed
    5. THE PHILOSOPHERS’ STONE: How to Transmute the Elements by Engineering the Geometry of Standing Waves
    6. TIME TRAVEL: How to Navigate the Streams of Time Through Hyperspace

this crystal planet was the chapter i was talking about. it's been twenty years since i've read it, but it was about how with a certain alignment of the earth's axis the schumann layer could be used to transmit radio signals. i was researching tesla back at the time and a friend gave me a copy to read because he was mentioned in the book. first time i ever heard bearden's name if i recall.

second edit: i found an online copy of that chapter.
http://newilluminati.blog-city.com/this_crystal_planet.htm
enjoy.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 01, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
Hi Fritz , and thanks for looking at my post in detail .I am always open minded and willing to consider the opinions of others .I seem to remember there is a way of testing the sand  with a multimeter on the video .I take your point that to most people , dowsing and free energy are both rubbish things . The problem is this . On the video , the pyramid was position EXACTLY over a point on the floor .He even used a pendulum for accuracy . I think this could be Trawoger`s "get out of jail free" card . "Your dowser was not accurate enough ." I would be more convinced if he showed  some output in a random place , and used divining to optimise the output . It is alright him saying he told us everything and does not want to answer questions . But questions will inevitably arise . I would be the last person to discourage replicators , but to be honest , the odds are not looking too good .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 01, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
Speculative Adventures...

1) We introduce a wideband ripple/noise on top of(superimposed on) the earths magnetic field.
2) Normally this ripple/noise hides in the ground or nullifies in space or isn´t detected by the instruments due to relativly high inertia of equipment - or is ignored as noise.
3) A gradient in the ground with changing conductivity would not effect the DC field rms but would cause anomalies in the spatial distribution of this field and/or will reflect it in a way that its more intense on the ground above.
(Measurements tell us that Leylines don´t change the (DC;-))) field.)
4) Extracting energy out of a sinusodial carrier is easy - just use a tuned LC tank - and rectify.
5) If you want to extract energy out a random/noise/ripple you would need kind of autocorrelation thing.
6) The pyramid shaped gypsum plates could act as a shield - which suppresses energy from other directions than ground.
7) On Kickstarting the pyramid - you would feed energy in that autocorrelator/rectifier/quarz-plasma - so that it gets a chance to whatever.
The rest is just harvesting.
...yet another speculation...

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: seekingknowledge on July 02, 2011, 03:39:58 AM
Just throwing in  my 2 cents worth, not trying to be negative but has anyone yet inspected of replicated the device, i think someone should check that middle coil for hidden D sized batteries.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
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Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Jimboot on July 02, 2011, 11:11:22 AM
I think this is no fake.
Why should he do it like this ?

From all the videos you see, that he is really into pyramids and
that the old system was bought out by a big company, so he wanted to make money
with it.

I don´t see any reason for faking it.

He would make himself a real fool, if it would come out, that this is a fake.

And please no bad comments about the cothes of any user...

We will see, if somebody can replicate it.

He said to me, there is a guy that has a 3.8 Meter big pyramid
and I am already anxious to see his results.

Regards, Stefan.
I agree Stefan,
I finished watching all 13 vids last night and today went out to source parts. It takes a lot of effort to edit, encode & upload all that content. If you are not asking for money the only other reason i can see is that you want others to replicate. I'd like to make a small scale one first but I am finding it hard to source hard drawn copper tube in lengths shorter than 6 meters. Anyone have a good online supplier that will deliver to Australia?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on July 02, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
I'd like to make a small scale one first but I am finding it hard to source hard drawn copper tube in lengths shorter than 6 meters. Anyone have a good online supplier that will deliver to Australia?
Maybe the shipment costs as much as the entire 6m tube ;-))
Here in _AUSTRIA_ - you get them in 2.5m length in every DIY market.
So maybe the best option would be to find other willing replicators in Australia - and cut the 6m piece down (already in the shop).
Another problem I expect - is that if you don´t use the same brand wire - the insulation might have quite different dielectric properties (which is not specified for this wire). This means that the necessary wire length for the capacitor might be different - and the even the entire setup might not work - or different. Both coils for kind of LC tanks - the "C" be different either.
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 02, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
@Jimboot . Why not phone your local plummer and ask if he has any offcuts ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Jimboot on July 02, 2011, 03:09:41 PM
@neptune @fritz nice thinking. Will get on to it tomorrow. Thanx
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on July 02, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
Hi Conrad,  PK's book is one of the best on the planet :)  2200 + pages for download : http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html

@e2matrix: thank you, I downloaded the book, looks very good

@a.king21: I read the pages (chapter 7 pages 1 to 12), very interesting, I will try it one day, thank you for bringing this to my attention

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 02, 2011, 05:37:45 PM
By water lines I believe he is referring to the Telluric Current grid. 
Here is a link with some maps.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=898&page=232
Maybe someone can find a better closeup map.
Or using a quad amp chip and few other components maybe we can build an energy field detector to find them.
The use of divining rod may not be far fetched, where these grids cross does contain a concentration of energy .
A simple set can be made with 2 pieces of copper tube you hold in your hands,
with a 90 Deg. angled piece of bare copper wire placed in each one, so they can turn easy in the tubes. 
The way you use them is: you hold them in your hands so the 2 wire's ends are perfectly level, 
one a little higher then the other and as you walk around the 2 ends will cross each other
when you find one of these nodes.  It's an easy thing to test for your self.


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 02, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
The device will cost less then $100 to build and about one Saturday of work. 
One of the cheapest and easiest projects we have encountered. 
10mm pipe would be about 3/8 inch here.  I am having trouble finding 3/8 pipe that's straight.
Everywhere I go only sells it in coils, so it has to be straightened.   
1.5mm wire would be 15 AWG, but 16 or 14 AWG should be close enough.
For  the sand I will have to try the swimming pool places, or find quatz sand blasting sand.
For the high voltage a fly-back transformer driven by a 555 timer or transistor osc. should work fine.
If you keep the freq. high you won't experience much of a shock if you touch it.
Just use a plastic spoon to fill the tube and you won't need to get near it.

My biggest challenge is finding the space to place a 1 M pyramid, and it needs to be a telluric grid crossing. 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on July 02, 2011, 07:20:56 PM
Concerning water lines and dowsing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

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Dowsing is a type of divination employed in attempts to locate ground water, buried metals or ores, gemstones, oil, gravesites,[1] and many other objects and materials, as well as so-called currents of earth radiation (Ley lines), without the use of scientific apparatus. Dowsing is also known as divining (especially in reference to interpretation of results),[2] doodlebugging (in the US)[citation needed], or (when searching specifically for water) water finding, water witching or water dowsing.[3]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeRCcFB66fU (Using Dowsing Rods To Find A Water Line)

I do not know what a dowsing rod shows (I know what people claim it should show, but proof is difficult). In my house a dowsing rod moves in a strange way when I cross a certain spot. I prefer to use two L-shaped iron wires (which can turn each in a ball pen plastic tube held like in the video). Over the years I tested various dowsing rods in several places (indoors and outdoors). Sometimes I see a movement in the dowsing rod at a certain spot, sometimes not. When I do it, it is not always consistent.

I met people who were very good with it (as far as consistency is concerned). In rural areas I know of people who find good spots for digging a well and they charge a little money for it. I also met people who claim that they can find "dangerous" spots in your house and I know people who had their house "measured" for that (by someone who charge money for it, not much money).

Whatever, the "finding of a water line" and the "electrocution of the quartz sand" are the tricky parts of the "magic pyramid".

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 02, 2011, 07:48:58 PM
This an open forum . Everyone gets to express their opinion . If you really want to understand dowsing , look up "Ideo motor response" . Most people can get a response from a dowsing instrument , be it a forked stick , "L" rods , or a pendulum . Like wise , anyone can talk to the dead , but getting a meaningful response can be a bit more problematic .
 The divining instrument is usually responding to the subconscious mind , but it is of course moved by the normal muscles of the body .Why should the subconscious mind know the location of a buried object ? Note that divining is not restricted to water . Diviners claim to be able to locate oil , gold , lost objects , corpses etc . Some claim they can do this over a map , and do not need to visit the location . If you do not believe me , test yourself .Lay out a grid on a lawn or field . Get someone to push some nails in to the ground , so they are not visible . How many can you find using your divining rods ? If you can find them all every time , I would like to hear from you , and so would James Randi . Face it , this is a throwback to the Middle Ages , along with religion , angels etc .
        OK here is the deal . If nobody can replicate this , does TT agree to be burned at the stake as a witch for casting a bad spell on our Hazel Twigs ? I thought not .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 02, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
Note that TT claims that the input energy comes from the earth in an upward direction .He has been working on this for at least 5 years . If I was in that position , I would have tried a variety of materials to try to shield this energy from the pyramid , as this might give a clue to the type of energy we are dealing with . If he is right , then the actual pyramid is acting as a concentrating reflector . The pyramid may not be the best shape for this purpose . We do not use pyramids to receive satelite signals , we use a parabolic reflector . OK maybe it is not so easy to make a parabola from gypsum board . Even if divining is real , it is not a thing everyone can do . The logical thing to do would be to walk around with a small pyramid connected to a meter .As always there are more questions than answers .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 02, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
 
[...]
As always there are more questions than answers .


why IS that?   8)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Jimboot on July 03, 2011, 01:35:14 PM
It seems a lot of forum members have wasted time with this. I've come across a circuit in Patrick Kelly's pdf book chapter 7 page 8 that really works. It's nothing to do with pyramid power but it is free energy. It is worth developing. It is an aerial system and the circuit is quite easy. You'll certainly get some energy. I think if we can tune it we may be on the trail of Moray and Tesla.
downloaded the book, thanks. Do you know of any fora , threads where this is being worked on?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 04, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
I managed to see now all 13 videos over here in North Sweden on te road in ny camping mobile van via my mobile phone after a tire went flat and I had to change it in the middle of nowhere...

Anyway, if this really works to extract the power of leylines, this will be very interesting.
Would have loved to see some scopeshots.

Regards, Stefan.

Good Morning Stefan,

I'm a sucker for a good build.  I'll do my best at building one of these devices, have all equipment to build.  I'm an old dowser from when I was a kid and a old man taught me how to "Dowse or Witch for water"....YOU never charge to do it!  Anyway, what fun and my only problem is a 1 meter Pyramid in my condo.  I might scale it down and make it a .5 meter unit.  If I could get 1 watt out of it, I will be happy.  There is a lot of info in the videos, I probably made 30 pages of drawings and notes listening to them last night.  Scope shots, volts and amps, af or RF, no problem.  Onward.......

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 04, 2011, 02:21:25 PM
@K4zep .Re the space problem . TT says that the pyramid frame does not need to be welded . Why not make it with bolts and wingnuts so you can strip it down or build it up as required .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 04, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
@K4zep .Re the space problem . TT says that the pyramid frame does not need to be welded . Why not make it with bolts and wingnuts so you can strip it down or build it up as required .

Morning Neptune

You are correct, great idea!  That Gypsum board messy though.  Guess I could edge tape it and paint, put some reinforced holes for mounting screws, along with corner brackets too for the AL frame,  wonder if anything else works in place of that Gypsum?  But, I want to try and keep true to his directions first try.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 04, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
Just a thought . Aluminium may not be the best frame material , as we do not know if it needs to be magnetic as well as an electrical conductor . You could use slotted angle iron used to build industrial shelving , or even us the " expanded metal" perforated stuff used for wall corners when plastering .Available where you buy your plaster board .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 04, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
Just a thought . Aluminium may not be the best frame material , as we do not know if it needs to be magnetic as well as an electrical conductor . You could use slotted angle iron used to build industrial shelving , or even us the " expanded metal" perforated stuff used for wall corners when plastering .Available where you buy your plaster board .

Hi Neptune,

Don't think it should be magnetic/steel, would distort the earths magnetic field, just a thought.  Who the heck knows.  Will get started on this tomorrow, family stuff for the 4th, going out pm in boat, food and watch fireworks, hope rain holds off here in Florida till after 9 p.m.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 04, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
Hi Ben . TT gives little info about the actual pyramid in his videos , but public opinion suggests this is the same pyramid he used 5 years ago . I built one back then , and he definitely said steel then . Hope you enjoy the celebrations tonight , and that it does not rain .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 04, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Hi Ben . TT gives little info about the actual pyramid in his videos , but public opinion suggests this is the same pyramid he used 5 years ago . I built one back then , and he definitely said steel then . Hope you enjoy the celebrations tonight , and that it does not rain .

Sounds good to me....Steel it is!

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: kukulcangod on July 05, 2011, 03:56:10 AM
a.king
How do you know the circuit works? did you make on already?

This is what I knew before ever watching this 13 videos:
 In Mexico at a around 4 years old, i saw people getting their fingers wet from a cavity carved on the top of the Olmec head named "Head of Hueyepan" or "La piedra del negro"( the rock of the black man) this last refering to the close looks with african features, , anyway, they would touch the rock and go away , that got my curiosity of course and went to touch the rock, look no water mom!, and ...ZZZZZaaaappp!.....My arm went numb as if hitting a wall with it completelly extended, it was a cold solid shock of cold energy, my cries out of terror brought grandma and people over, they assume a bug bit me!!....
 Thing is, the rock was picked up and carved for a powerful shaman, and its been said has curative powers, as per old story, the shaman recomended that the rock should be always facing the morning sun!! and on top of that the rock is absolutelly and with no doubt piezoelectric!!...Ladies and Gentleman another thing...Not everybody is going to be able to feel the same shock, some of us are more sensitive to this things than others and that's a fact , but it can be acquired with this shock of "bio energy", yes it is bedini's blue electricity, or Tesla's other subtle energy.
 The rock has been moved to another location in the museum, outside and it just doesn't work as per my contacts, this research was done at a distance years ago for me to understand this things, Schauberger imbeded it in his water..And I did cured myself from my liver and kidney damaged due to exposition to chemicals, the skin in my hands peeled off and bleed disgustingly for a couple of years as a consequence, there was no hopes for me...What I know is out of passion for research and desperation...It is interesting that TT uses quartz and tries to imbed a frequency in it, it makes sense to me in the sense that, a quartz crystal needs to be tuned up to get it to work in radio controllers and what not....People what I've just given you is truth, also when I was a child , walking around Teotihuacan the pyramid city around Mexico city, I used to get vertigo, and no it wasn't because of eating bad tacos!!
 Remember our pyramids are oriented with incredible precision.
But yes, we have to make sure he is not using a remote transmission unit.
 Then again I don't believe water needs to be underneath, do we have water going on under the pyramids of Giza?? may be in the ones in Mexico.
I was able to detect a "gravity road" a few years back upstate new york , close to New Hope Pennsylvania, "Weird NJ" magazine gave directions...I found they wer wrong by 2 miles but in the same road, how? I felt "heaviness" and stoped my vehicle, it didn't fail went backwards uphill, a soft one, everytime, sorry movie got lost, but you can go! ...Thing is , yes , The Delaware rive runs perpendicular at the end of this road, and that was my theory, water and piezoelectric rocks, but why it relocated? somehow yes, the earth's magnetic lines are involved...And as any airport expert will tell you, the magnetic lines shift from time to time!! instruments must be calibrated every time!! or aircraft would miss the runways!!....
 Still , with all of it, tunning is necessary for radio reception, so at this point until making a pyramid away from transmission towers we will not know if TT is telling the truth or is just a sick lonely puppy screaming for a few minutes of fame... It could be so patological that is making me sick...I hope he is not, we need to rescue this technolgy and again resources in my case are scarce this days...
 What do you guys think?......
well here my little research into Tesla's circuit....Is it radio or real cosmic energy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd2mSkQ_uog
..Yes I have to be carefull around connections :)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 05, 2011, 06:33:50 AM
@a.king21
Have you checked to see if there is a thread here on that device already?
If not maybe you should start one on it and get some replications. 
He seems to state that the same metal plate and ground, can be connected to many units,
and they will all put out energy without draining the source. 
This would be an easy and interesting experiment to try. 
Have you built a replication of it already? 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: a.king21 on July 05, 2011, 11:33:21 AM
I've built several circuits including one using 400 volt capacitors. I am in the process of replicating the Danish developer device. My point is that it needs improving to get it to TUNE in to higher frequencies. Tesla hinted at tuning in to the "wheelwork of nature".
The reason I replied to this thread is that a lot of replicators didn't get anything with the pyramid device.  Not even a milliamp. P Kelly covers a pyramid patent in his free pdf book. I'm sure there's something in pyramids as they work on razor blades etc. It's just not for me.
Incidentally, I was using the Danish developers plate device to pick up radiant energy from  a usb plasma ball device. My meters were reading hardly any micro amps so I just left it for a couple of hours. I then carelessly touched the output wires and received a burn. I then powered a 20 watt unmodified CFL for a full 4 seconds at full brightness!  It taught me not to trust my meters. The Danish developer circuit can stand a lot of variations. I built one circuit from two cfl light bulb components for instance. So the circuit is a very useful one indeed. If you leave it on it's own it will even self charge the capacitors. I'm sure it will charge a super cap over a week or so with just a short aerial. The circuit can scavenge energy from just about anything.  Even the static from the front of a tv tube. But it is free energy and is perfect for experimenting with the  extraction  of energy from the earth as well as the air. I even used it to extract back emf from a pulsed electric motor. Hope this helps. Cheers.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gauschor on July 05, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Trawoeger has written in the german forum that a "water vein" is required for the pyramid to work (as a grounding). I hope he has told that in the videos... (I don't know for what purpose exactly).
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: andrea on July 06, 2011, 12:29:36 AM
I've built several circuits including one using 400 volt capacitors. I am in the process of replicating the Danish developer device. My point is that it needs improving to get it to TUNE in to higher frequencies. Tesla hinted at tuning in to the "wheelwork of nature".
The reason I replied to this thread is that a lot of replicators didn't get anything with the pyramid device.  Not even a milliamp. P Kelly covers a pyramid patent in his free pdf book. I'm sure there's something in pyramids as they work on razor blades etc. It's just not for me.
Incidentally, I was using the Danish developers plate device to pick up radiant energy from  a usb plasma ball device. My meters were reading hardly any micro amps so I just left it for a couple of hours. I then carelessly touched the output wires and received a burn. I then powered a 20 watt unmodified CFL for a full 4 seconds at full brightness!  It taught me not to trust my meters. The Danish developer circuit can stand a lot of variations. I built one circuit from two cfl light bulb components for instance. So the circuit is a very useful one indeed. If you leave it on it's own it will even self charge the capacitors. I'm sure it will charge a super cap over a week or so with just a short aerial. The circuit can scavenge energy from just about anything.  Even the static from the front of a tv tube. But it is free energy and is perfect for experimenting with the  extraction  of energy from the earth as well as the air. I even used it to extract back emf from a pulsed electric motor. Hope this helps. Cheers.

@a.king21, I've tried to reply the circuit of the Danish developer with the proper plate, aerial, etc... I'm sorry it doesn't work. Look at the picture. I hope that could be from errors in the realization, I'm not an electrician  ;D would be interesting if someone else replicate and test it too

 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 06, 2011, 01:08:58 AM
Hi All,

Well starting the process.  Ordered 3/4 plastic rod to wind the tuning coils on.  Going to hardware store then Pet (fish) store, looking at
quartz sand.  Tomorrow will check out plumbing supply for the 3/8 and 1 1/4 hard drawn copper pipe and two end adapters. Might use CU end caps and center drill them for the 3/8 tubing but trying to build it as shown.

I sure wish there were a way to ask the good German fellow a few questions to clear up some fine points in his videos. 

Then going to watch the videos again tonight and see if I missed anything.  Tomorrow morning early, will go to a nice field near hear and "dowse" and see if any water hot spots here in FL.  I noted that he uses either RF or a HV transformer to "charge" the Copper/quartz cell.  From the video, in this demo, he uses 27mhz RF from amplified CB unit or said that a 10 to 15 KV AC from a furnace transformer could do the job also.  Does anyone know if DC high voltage can charge the cell?  I can use RF, HV AC or HV DC, all available to me.  Going to pick up a roll of #16 solid wire tonight.  Might be a problem with the insulation breakdown with it when subjecting to the high voltage during charging...will probably add a couple layers of heat shrink tubing where the wire enters the 5mm holes in the 3/8" center tubing.  Just thinking here.

Ben K4ZEP

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tjlitke on July 06, 2011, 05:40:41 AM
Does anyone know of anyone who has duplicated Thomas's Pyramid results yet?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ElectricGoose on July 06, 2011, 08:01:08 AM
Hi All,

I sure wish there were a way to ask the good German fellow a few questions to clear up some fine points in his videos. 

Ben K4ZEP

Hi Ben

Not sure what you need to ask TT...everything was pretty crystal clear really.  Those 'tuning' coils act more as a capacitor than anything else, that's why only ONE end is hooked.

Let me save you some double work.  Whatever you do, DONT use magnet wire.  The dielectric will crap out during the charging process as you have suggested.  I think TT has been a little bit hasty in his guestimate of requiring a 15kv oil ignition xformer.  I ran some tests with high quality insulated wire of the same size wound on copper and the insulation started to fail at around 4kv DC (only 15watt input)....my own high voltage setup.

I think 1.5 - 3kv is more than ample.  You only want enough charge to align the quartz domains.  It's basically a big scalar crystal receiver.

Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 06, 2011, 02:46:40 PM
Hi Ben

Not sure what you need to ask TT...everything was pretty crystal clear really.  Those 'tuning' coils act more as a capacitor than anything else, that's why only ONE end is hooked.

Let me save you some double work.  Whatever you do, DONT use magnet wire.  The dielectric will crap out during the charging process as you have suggested.  I think TT has been a little bit hasty in his guestimate of requiring a 15kv oil ignition xformer.  I ran some tests with high quality insulated wire of the same size wound on copper and the insulation started to fail at around 4kv DC (only 15watt input)....my own high voltage setup.

I think 1.5 - 3kv is more than ample.  You only want enough charge to align the quartz domains.  It's basically a big scalar crystal receiver.

Regards.

Morning EG! 

Thanks for the info, you are absolutely correct that the video is VERY complete, not being picky but just want to have all the ducks in a row and sort out everything before I start a build.  I pretty well had decided that there is no way standard home wiring, THN, THHN etc, could handle 15KV from previous experiences and would break down.  I have a Variac so I can control my output no problem, have a 7.5KV furnace and a 15KV neon sign transformer, plus a 2.5 KV AC switching power supply.  HV probes, to measure.  It is unique that there is physical alignment of the quartz domains and as you say probably a scalar receiver. He seems to say that it is DC output but the scope shot shows a pulse output and I suspect that is a AC fan motor, internally rectified to dc.  Again a slight unknown variable.  Another thing, THomas said that metal was not important in the Pyramid (another member noted that it was built of Steel 5 years ago, and looks that way in the welding spots) but all pieces had to be electrically connected, and he did run it with a ground at first but after he got it working, he took off the ground at the very end.  I think he insinuated that a static field can build up on it and shock you and hence the ground is needed while working on it......another variable to look at. 

 Has he ever built a smaller unit?  I live in a condo and will have to transport it around with the elevator/trunk of car unless I can pick up on a hot spot 6 stories up.   A .5 to .75 meter unit sure would be more manageable unless I can break it down for transport but only 36" doors out of condo.   There is a nice open field only about 2 miles from where I live to test in/film/etc.

Last night, went to PetsMart and look at aquarium sand.  Pretty fine stuff, can get what looks like fine black quartz or tan quartz but doesn't say that's what it is for sure, WalMart, looked at play sand, too many different size crystals in there, going to pool supply and look at filter media, Probably what I will get as it is screened/sized for best filtration and that is what Thomas says to use too.

Picked up where Thomas said that the walls of the Pyramid HAVE TO BE A MINERAL  Said very important.  Hummmmmmmm, even if I use thin Sheetrock, this sucker will still be heavy......Always something to work with......Wonder if a thin skim coat of tile cement would work over 1/2 foam.....sort of like stucco on  a house.  First, got to get something working true to his build......then can experiment......

Another day, stuff to do, retired, keeps me busy!
Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP

 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 06, 2011, 03:15:34 PM
Hi Ben . As you may know , I am not a big believer in water divinig , but having said that , I am open minded . I want to encourage you in this replication , as I have done in the past . Re sand . Avoid play sand , as I have been told it is powdered limestone . This sand is vital . Get it wrong and the whole thing becomes a waste of time . Personally . I would start by building the reactor . That way , you can tackle the 2 biggest mysteries first . If you can "treat " the sand with RF or high voltage , and then get it to pass the multimeter test shown on the video , you will feel happier to build the pyramid . I still feel you would be better with a collapsible full size job than a smaller version . I like your mineral coating idea , but as you say ,this is an experiment for after you get a working model . Learn more about sand . Google it , perhaps . Good luck with your experiments , and keep us posted .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 06, 2011, 03:55:43 PM
Hi Ben . As you may know , I am not a big believer in water divinig , but having said that , I am open minded . I want to encourage you in this replication , as I have done in the past . Re sand . Avoid play sand , as I have been told it is powdered limestone . This sand is vital . Get it wrong and the whole thing becomes a waste of time . Personally . I would start by building the reactor . That way , you can tackle the 2 biggest mysteries first . If you can "treat " the sand with RF or high voltage , and then get it to pass the multimeter test shown on the video , you will feel happier to build the pyramid . I still feel you would be better with a collapsible full size job than a smaller version . I like your mineral coating idea , but as you say ,this is an experiment for after you get a working model . Learn more about sand . Google it , perhaps . Good luck with your experiments , and keep us posted .

Thanks Neptune,

Have my order ready for the copper @ McMaster Karr but going to Lows and Home Depot and see if I can get the half hard rigid tubing there first, then might try Castle Plumbing Supply.  Don't know about the adapters, might just use end caps and center drill them in my little lathe.  Then solder one end.  Should be fine.

I do know dousing works for me, have found buried wells, artesian wells, buried submersible  well that was lost and pump stopped working for a neighbor about 20 years ago. shesssssss and I am the most skeptical, or a show me kind of person. I can NOT explain it, you just think "water" and walk around and it works......First well I ever doused was on my fathers land 58 years ago or so, found 3 good spots, dad told the drillers here, one of my spots, their "dowser" (yes, they used a dowser too! another old geezer) said, very good spot too, drilled 10 feet thru clay/sand, 65 feet through blue granite, drill dropped 10 feet and will artesianed for a day and settled down 10 feet below ground level after pumping it down with huge pump, could only draw it down 5 feet.  Best water I ever drank!  Strange story but true.  Checked about 5 years ago, well is still there in front of house dad built.

 I always used a live "Y" from a apple or peach tree but have used crossed wires, don't like them as much.  Believe it or not but it will twist the bark off the "Y's" over a strong point when trying to point down.....Yah, I know sounds honkey. 

Anyway, keep any input coming, any ideas, thoughts, I realize this is far out, but going to try it! How this device can draw energy from these areas is beyond me.......Feel like I am watching "Fringe" live! Onward!

Hummm.  If those crystals can be a receiver, wonder if they could be used to build a transmitter?  Thinking out loud.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 06, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
Hi All,

Have filter sand, looks good.  Have all tubing ordered, have sources for all materials, 1/4" gypsum board, etc.  Now have to wait for material to come in.  Home Depot, Lows, WalMart, PetsMart, no go for stuff.....but OK, found it all.  Just takes a little time.  Will build reactor first. try HV first, see if it passes the first test, then build pyramid last.  Be back with pictures when stuf comes in and build progresses.  Might go looking for hot spots tomorrow.....All in due time.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: guruji on July 06, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
I've built several circuits including one using 400 volt capacitors. I am in the process of replicating the Danish developer device. My point is that it needs improving to get it to TUNE in to higher frequencies. Tesla hinted at tuning in to the "wheelwork of nature".
The reason I replied to this thread is that a lot of replicators didn't get anything with the pyramid device.  Not even a milliamp. P Kelly covers a pyramid patent in his free pdf book. I'm sure there's something in pyramids as they work on razor blades etc. It's just not for me.
Incidentally, I was using the Danish developers plate device to pick up radiant energy from  a usb plasma ball device. My meters were reading hardly any micro amps so I just left it for a couple of hours. I then carelessly touched the output wires and received a burn. I then powered a 20 watt unmodified CFL for a full 4 seconds at full brightness!  It taught me not to trust my meters. The Danish developer circuit can stand a lot of variations. I built one circuit from two cfl light bulb components for instance. So the circuit is a very useful one indeed. If you leave it on it's own it will even self charge the capacitors. I'm sure it will charge a super cap over a week or so with just a short aerial. The circuit can scavenge energy from just about anything.  Even the static from the front of a tv tube. But it is free energy and is perfect for experimenting with the  extraction  of energy from the earth as well as the air. I even used it to extract back emf from a pulsed electric motor. Hope this helps. Cheers.

Hi King I'm working on this experiment too. I've copper wire rapped to a plastic sheet for plate. Today I was building the circuit although could not find same caps in my scrap parts. Ok but near 160v 0.26uf ac caps and 25 100v dc caps.
I will try this tomorrow if I have time. You mentioned tuning. How can this circuit be tuned?
Thanks
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 08, 2011, 08:17:55 PM
Hi All,

Just to show that I am serious, received my copper today to make at least two "Reactors", 3 if I
get a bit more 3/8's pipe.

Will get started on them this afternoon.  Have the sand, two different types, have the wire,
all power supplies, etc.  First to drill the hole in the end caps for the 3/8 .035 half hard copper pipe.
Outside is 1 1/4" .035 half hard copper pipe.  That's all for now.  Pix below.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 09, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
Hi Ben , just some thoughts.  If you get a reactor built , and the energising circuit set up , you can experiment to see how hard you need to hit the reactor to disturb the sand . This info will be useful later .While you are set up , you might want to try both types of sand .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 09, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
Hi Ben , just some thoughts.  If you get a reactor built , and the energising circuit set up , you can experiment to see how hard you need to hit the reactor to disturb the sand . This info will be useful later .While you are set up , you might want to try both types of sand .

Good Morning Neptune,

Should have the reactor built by the end of the day and then the "playing" as my wife calls it starts.  Your suggestion is excellent and will keep notes as I go along.  IF I find anything interesting, will put a video of it up on YouTube. 

I don't have my long plastic rod yet to build the tuning coils but it is in the mail.  Obviously the motor pulses the "energized" or polarized sand and possibly the back EMF spike also energizes the sand to kick back and hence the output.  A Pot. in series with the motor or a pulse generator with variable output will be a useful tool here in the initial steps to get a handle as to how it responds/works to excitation.  As to how the "water" lines provide more power, I don't have a clue yet.  I also don't know if the 7.X hz frequency has anything to do with it.  So much to learn here!

Going to Home Depot in a little while to pick up misc. stuff.

Respectfully
Ben

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 09, 2011, 10:09:26 PM
Hi Ben,

I'm going to build V.12 also - I built V.6 back in 2007 and it set in my garage up until about 3 months ago. Then I threw it away. Seems you never know what your going to need...

I'll be working on the pyramid mornings, when it's cooler in the garage,  and the maybe the reactor in the afternoon.  I'm not a fast builder - wanna make sure I get this right.

It will be interesting to see how you handle the pyramid construction in the condo...

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 10, 2011, 12:05:16 AM
Hi Ben,

I'm going to build V.12 also - I built V.6 back in 2007 and it set in my garage up until about 3 months ago. Then I threw it away. Seems you never know what your going to need...

I'll be working on the pyramid mornings, when it's cooler in the garage,  and the maybe the reactor in the afternoon.  I'm not a fast builder - wanna make sure I get this right.

It will be interesting to see how you handle the pyramid construction in the condo...

Hi Duff,

Great, glad to have another builder along too, misery loves company but it will be a new adventure.  Had all the fun I could out of the RomeroUK motor/generator, but might use/try my mini motor as the exciter!  But will use a "fan first.  I'm not a fast builder either as I like to look and dream at each part as I build.  I would like a bit stiffer mount for the reactor using 3/8's plastic rod but not sure if that is allowed inside the Pyramid.  I do have everything but that darn plastic rod for the tuning coils which is in the mail. I wonder if in later builds if 1" CPVC or PVC pipe would be OK.    I'm using 14THHN solid building wire,  3/8's and 1 1/4" CU.  Already have about $120 bucks in materials.  That hard CU is expensive at McMasters Carr but gotta do what we gotta do.
 
The gypsum board walls of the reactor are a mess for me as I simply have no place to keep it unless I can make if fold-able but I then have to make it fold out true for the correct reflectivity. As you say, we have to do it right!   Should have some pictures of the reactor tomorrow night to post.  I also have to bring the sand up and "cook" a quart of it in the oven and then seal in in a jar till I need it to keep it dry. 

I know what you mean about throwing stuff away and needing it a few weeks later, ALWAYS happens if you say, "Junk" toss it and then...

Later all,

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 10, 2011, 11:43:41 AM

For Reference, here are quotes from Thomas Trawöeger regarding the pyramid frame construction.

Quote
TPP 1.2 The Frame
« on: November 26, 2007, 01:28:29 »

So we want to start now...

The first step will be to construct the Pyramides Frame.
I decided to give the V12 a fully new design, with special Focus in easy Construction. So we will keep anything unusual away, and make it so easy as it is.

For the first step, we need the following Material:

1 cheap Wood-Plate 1000mm x 1000mm (you can use the pressed construction-Plates, because we need this only for construction-help.

8 pc. Metal Tube square 20mm x 20mm x 2mm
1pc. metal Tube rounded 3/8" (watertube) approx. 1000mm (only for Constructionhelp)

The following tools will be necessary:

1 Marker Black approx. 2mm thickness
1 Driller
1 Welding-Machine (system is equal, i prefer MAG)
Something to cut Metal in different Angles (I use some FLEX)
Soemthing to create straight lines and a 90° Angle

Start:
Keep the Wood-Plate and sign in two diagonales with the marker. Do this very carefully, because it will help you for all the future work.
In the Center of the Plate (where the two diagonales will cross) drill a hole for the 3/8" Waterpipe. It will help you, if you have a thread on the tube.

Now be shure, that the Tube is in a correct 90° Angle on the Plate (in all directions) and fix the Tube with some Glue or hot-plastic glue.

This is your mounting Frame, and you will need this only for Construction. Check the Angle from time to time during installation for the correct angle.

Now you keep the square-tubes (2pc. with 1000mm) and give them to 2 opposite sides of the plate.
Cut 2 pc. of square-tubes to 960mm and give them to the plate to create a square.

Weld this now only with a few points to fix the square, and control that the square is in correct angle of 90° on all 4 Corners :-)

If anything is correct, weld the Corners on the Corners complete. (It doesn´t matter if you burn the plate Grin)

Control the angles after welding again, and check, that the square have "floor contact" to the plate.

The next step is a little bit more complicated, because we have to find the right cutting angle, and the right lenght for the next 4 Squaretubes. To keep the whole lengt of this tubes, we have to give away the 20mm of the groundframe. On the other side, we have to measure exactly 1000mm to the 3/8" Tube in the Center of the plate.

Mark exatly 1000mm from the bottom of our Metalsquare (in the corners) to the 3/8" Tube and mark it from each Corner.

This 4 Marks should be exactly in the same height of the 3/8" Tube.

Now cut the angles in the 20/20 squaretube for the Bottom and for the Top, and weld it together.

VERY IMPORTANT:
Don´t forget, that we will install some gypsum-plates on the pyramide. So it is helpful, to turn the 20/20 Squaretubes in a angle to give us mounting possibility for some screws.

I hope, the first step is understandable. We made some pictures from this stage, but the Camera was corrupted.
(The next steps are reported better :-), because we changed the Cam...)

Quote
Re: TPP 1.2 The Frame
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 07:28:42 »
Thanks to our Moderator Tigrotto, we have to explain a few Details a little bit closer:

When you keep the 4 pc. of 20/20 for the Top-Construction, you have to look for the right angles! So take the 20/20´s in approx. lenght, and mark the correct angle with the marker on this tube.
THE 3/8" round-tube will be a part of the Pyramide in the top-area, so you can weld the 4 Top-Peaces directly to the roundpipe.

If you measure from the absolutely Bottom of the 20/20 ground-structure (without wood-plate) to the TOP, you have to measure exactly 100 cm. (on the Corners)

The round-pipe (3/8") you can cut on the upper end of the 20/20´s.
Inside the pyramide, you cut the 3/8"" approx. 7-8 cm measured from the top.

(We need this Peace of Pipe for hanging in the inner parts)

If you want, you can weld a ring of metal to the Top (for better transportation with a stapler), but this ring will have no use, and it doesn´t disturb the system)

The welding of the upper part of the pyramide is a little bit tricky: keep the marker, and mark the curve of the 3/8" tube and the right angle, then cut the iron as best as possible, and control the total lenght of 100cm from Top to bottom before welding!

I hope, this is understandable, and i will go ahead if everbody checked this first part.

I will stop the timebased skript for 24 hours, and i will describe the future parts a little bit better

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TPP 1.3 The Coating
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:14:53 »

Well Guys, we are late in Time, and we lost a day, because i had some Problems in my Job. But now it´s necessary, to go ahead

If we fixed the tricky Construction of the Frame, we have to do some cosmetic Work for our V12. You can paint the Pyramide in each Color you want for prevent it to get rusty. I prefer some cheap acrylic-color in black.
(You can believe, the kind of color doesn´t matter, so please don´t open a Thread with asking for the right color..)

You can paint ALL parts of the Frame, because on the final of Construction, we will need a small part with good electrical Contact, and we will put away the color only on this spot.

If the frame is colored, we go to Step 1.3 and will construct the hull.

For this hull, we need some gypsum-plates (you will get them worldwide)

I use the 12,5 mm Plates, but you can use even other dimensions, because it doesn´t affect the output.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO USE GYPSUM-PLATES, BECAUSE OTHER MATERIALS DOESN´T WORK !

We need Material for all the 4 Sides of the Pyramide.

I use the 130 X 90cm Plates with 12,5mm, and we will need 4 pc of this plates.

The Bottom of our Pyramide will stay open, without any plate.
(So you can give your mounting-plate from Chapter 1.2 to the Junk, but if you want, you can fix the Plate too..)

The next Steps are really easy:
Put a Plate to the Floor, keep the pyramide with the first side (turned) to the gypsum-plate, and mark the cutting lines with some marker to the Plate.

Cut the Plate, and glue it with strong Construction glue to the frame.

Prepare the next Plate to the floor, turn the Pyramide in 90° and mark the next cutting-lines.
(This time, the gypsum-plate-part will become a little bit greater, because you will get the overlap of the first Plate.)

This Plate you can cut twice, because this plate will fit on the opposite site too.

On the end, you will glue this 2 pieces on the "left" andd on the "right" side of your Pyramide, and now you should have a pyramide, with 3 closed sides.

For the next step you should drill some holes (3-4 per each side) between gypsum-plate and metal frame, and fix it with metal-screws. (This will give your construction a better stability) I use some special screws (selbsttreiber) and with this screws, it´s not necessary to drill some holes before screwing. (see picture)

Now, put the last gypsum-plate to the floor, and lay the pyramide with the last open end downwards.
mark the Cutting-line and cut this part.

The 4th part isn´t glued or screwed yet!!!!!! Keep this piece byside, we will need it later!!!!

THE NEXT PART IS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY AGAIN!

Now, we have to find the Centerpoint of all the 4 gypsum-plates. You can use a circle (tool) to mark the Centerpoint of each side of the pyramide.
Please don´t forget, that you have to use the TOTAL MEASUREMENT of every side. (Thats, because the outsides of the pyramide are more than 1000mm now!!!!)

With a circle, you can mark from each Corner to get the Center.

If you found the Center of all 4 plates, drill a small hole in all the 4 Centers (2,5mm) and stick some welding Stick (3mm) inside.

Control, that all the Sticks are in correct 90° Angle to the plates, and you have the correct Center of the Pyramide.

(For this, you can fix the 4th Plate only with a few holding screws, and turn the pyramide to the side, to watch in from the bottom.

Now you need some Plastic-Tube wich fits prefectly into your 3/8" Tube on the top of the Pyramide. (Installation-tube for electricals)

Stick in the Plastic-Tube and fit it good. Then mark the Center of your Pyramide on this tube.

Now you can give away the welding-sticks, remove the 4.th Plate and you have done everything neccesary for this step.

Now we have the complete Pyramide, and we have the Centerpoint of our Pyramide..

If you want, you can Paint the Pyramide with Wall-Color, and you can make any system to open and close the 4.th Plate of the Pyramide.
(I don´t wasted time wich such mechanism, but it would look better)

This is the end of Chapter 1.

The next step will come with Chapter 2 (the inside)

We have to hurry, because i want to get ready at Christmas Grin
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 10, 2011, 02:38:27 PM
Hi Ben,

I would like a bit stiffer mount for the reactor using 3/8's plastic rod but not sure if that is allowed inside the Pyramid.

I think a plastic rod would work - Thomas used plexiglass mounting a capacitor directly on the reactor of earlier models.

Quote
I do have everything but that darn plastic rod for the tuning coils which is in the mail. I wonder if in later builds if 1" CPVC or PVC pipe would be OK.    I'm using 14THHN solid building wire,  3/8's and 1 1/4" CU.  Already have about $120 bucks in materials.  That hard CU is expensive at McMasters Carr but gotta do what we gotta do.
 

Did you really mean 3/8's CU?

The small tube was 20mm - approx 3/4"

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 10, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
For Reference, here are quotes from Thomas Trawöeger regarding the pyramid frame construction.

THANKS FOR THE INFO ON THE PYRAMID!!!  EXCELLENT

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 10, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
Hi Ben,

I think a plastic rod would work - Thomas used plexiglass mounting a capacitor directly on the reactor of earlier models.

Did you really mean 3/8's CU?

The small tube was 20mm - approx 3/4"

Hi Duff,

Check the #2 Video at around 5:10 into it.  The small tube is 10mm X 36cm, elsewhere the big tube is 29/30 mm X 29 cm.
1 1/4 and 3/8 tubing Diameter is as close as I could get, considered 1/4 but a bit too small I think.

Hope that helps.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 10, 2011, 05:33:29 PM
Hi All,

Inner part of Reactor.  Little more work, have to cut/make outer plastic part, wind coils.  Then charge sand.

Picture of progress so far.  Inner reactor and outer coil form complete.  Now to wind the coils.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 10, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
For the pyramid sides, Thomas had the one side open, so it seems only 3 sides need be covered.
I'm still looking for the iron to make the frame.  Built a reactor using stranded wire,
but found out from Thomas that standed wire doesn't work well. 
Around here I am having a hard time finding single stranded wire thinner then 14 AWG (1.63mm). 
I hope to get the dimensions for using 14 AWG wire soon, would make things a lot easier. 
I too am wondering if we can use plastic pipe for the capacitor instead of plastic rod. 
Maybe a test with a capacitor meter would tell us.
comparing the 2 materials with the same amount of windings. 
To charge the sand I'm using a flyback circuit I've had for many years. 
With this one, I can hold the output wire in my fingers without getting a shock,
but my finger tips get very hot after a few seconds holding it.
Also makes my fingertips glow with a blue corona as I hold it.
If I need more current I just use a HV cap with it, won't try touching the wire then though. LOL!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 11, 2011, 12:11:22 AM
For the pyramid sides, Thomas had the one side open, so it seems only 3 sides need be covered.

That would appear to be correct.

I'm still looking for the iron to make the frame.

I don't know if the soft iron or steel in the Pyramid is needed or not, I doubt that I will use much metal in mine, mostly wood and 1/4" gypsum board.

Built a reactor using stranded wire,
but found out from Thomas that standed wire doesn't work well. 

That is what he says in the video and I am just starting to understand this device.
Around here I am having a hard time finding single stranded wire thinner then 14 AWG (1.63mm).

#14 AWG is the smallest I have found here at Home Depot and Lowes hardware store too.  I hope
it will work with that wire and those dimensions as that is what I am using.

 
I hope to get the dimensions for using 14 AWG wire soon, would make things a lot easier. 
I too am wondering if we can use plastic pipe for the capacitor instead of plastic rod. 
Maybe a test with a capacitor meter would tell us.
comparing the 2 materials with the same amount of windings. 

I have a good "C" meter, after I wind on solid plastic, I'll wind a test unit on common plastic pipe and see
what the difference is, possibly try in the pyramid if the first works.



To charge the sand I'm using a flyback circuit I've had for many years. 
With this one, I can hold the output wire in my fingers without getting a shock,
but my finger tips get very hot after a few seconds holding it.
Also makes my fingertips glow with a blue corona as I hold it.
If I need more current I just use a HV cap with it, won't try touching the wire then though. LOL!

Unfortunately, he doesn't say whether to use AC or DC in the high voltage charging circuit although the RF is a form of AC.  I have a nice 2500VAC solid state power supply to first try or I can use/have DC from 0.0 to 30KV available with enough power to fry eggs!. Of course the insulation will break down long before 30K is reached, probably as another has noted around 3-4 KV, so if I use DC, will set it for 3KV and try it there.

I still have not decided on how I am going to make the Pyramid.

And we continue.

Respectrully Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 11, 2011, 01:31:20 AM
Hi All,

Well first try at winding internal coil is a no go.  88 turns of # 14 wire.  Damn thing is shorted where I pulled it through the holes in the tube even with heat shrink tubing there!!!, I have to debur the hole better!.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh. 

Well unwind it and going to find some #16 if I have to order it as that will get me around 100+ turns, not to worry, it will be done!.  Picture of coil below.

Many steps forward today, one backwards.  Going to work on another project till wire gets here or I find some locally.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 11, 2011, 01:55:38 AM

I'm still looking for the iron to make the frame. 


AbbaRue,

I got my iron tubing from a scrap metal yard. I paid $15 or $20 for it if I recall correctly. On the  current build I'm using tubing I had left over from the  2007.

Anyway - check out your local scrap metal yard.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 11, 2011, 02:15:43 AM
Ben,

Thanks for the correction on the small tubing size. Guess I just wrote it down wrong...

Sorry your initial wind didn't work out. Copper  sure isn't getting any cheaper.

I intend to post my progress on the pyramid build. I'm doing some  thing different this time around and so far things are going much smoother, though still time consuming...

Maybe an update tomorrow with pics

BTW - where did you get the 1 1/4" to 3/8" copper reducing adaptor??

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 11, 2011, 02:57:16 AM
Ben,

Thanks for the correction on the small tubing size. Guess I just wrote it down wrong...

Sorry your initial wind didn't work out. Copper  sure isn't getting any cheaper.

I intend to post my progress on the pyramid build. I'm doing some  thing different this time around and so far things are going much smoother, though still time consuming...

Maybe an update tomorrow with pics

BTW - where did you get the 1 1/4" to 3/8" copper reducing adaptor??

Hi Duff,

Your right on the copper being expensive, should buy some CU stock.  I found some #16 solid TF 600VAC wire on Ebay, have a roll ordered, will take 3-4 days to get here probably from MO, USA.  What we really need is some SOLID 17.5KV insulated wire but if you can find it, it is worth a kings ransom for what we need internally to do the charging of the sand.  I'm going to put small silicon tubing around where the wire goes through the hole in the side to prevent galling of the wire next time.  Shesssss.  That #14 was stiff on a 3/8's tube.  If I'm lucky, that #16TF will hold up to about 2.5KV AC, I don't know how TT is doing his high voltage without breakdown.  Lots to look at there.

I made my adapters.  Used a 1 1/4 copper end cap, drilled and reamed to snug fit to outside of inner tube, then cut a 3/8 coupling in half and drilled out the slight ridge in the middle. I will solder it to the end cap tomorrow using a wooden dowel to hold it in alignment while I solder, then clean up and that will be it.  Too hot and rainy and I have to go outside to do that, wife would run me out of cond if I did large soldering with acid core in condo!   See two pictures.  I couldn't find any of those adapters that TT used here locally and I like to putter, so ordered CU from McMaster-Carr......Fast quick service.  Expensive though!  Anybody need a roll of #14Thhn cheap?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 11, 2011, 05:25:23 AM
@k4zep looks like you did the same thing as me making your own reducer
from a pipe cap. and a 3/8 pipe joiner. 
To keep from damaging my wire feeding it through the hole:
I placed a small piece of a plastic straw in the hole, with a slit down the side to adjust it for the hole. 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: lanenal on July 11, 2011, 05:32:06 AM
I've built several circuits including one using 400 volt capacitors. I am in the process of replicating the Danish developer device. My point is that it needs improving to get it to TUNE in to higher frequencies. Tesla hinted at tuning in to the "wheelwork of nature".
The reason I replied to this thread is that a lot of replicators didn't get anything with the pyramid device.  Not even a milliamp. P Kelly covers a pyramid patent in his free pdf book. I'm sure there's something in pyramids as they work on razor blades etc. It's just not for me.
Incidentally, I was using the Danish developers plate device to pick up radiant energy from  a usb plasma ball device. My meters were reading hardly any micro amps so I just left it for a couple of hours. I then carelessly touched the output wires and received a burn. I then powered a 20 watt unmodified CFL for a full 4 seconds at full brightness!  It taught me not to trust my meters. The Danish developer circuit can stand a lot of variations. I built one circuit from two cfl light bulb components for instance. So the circuit is a very useful one indeed. If you leave it on it's own it will even self charge the capacitors. I'm sure it will charge a super cap over a week or so with just a short aerial. The circuit can scavenge energy from just about anything.  Even the static from the front of a tv tube. But it is free energy and is perfect for experimenting with the  extraction  of energy from the earth as well as the air. I even used it to extract back emf from a pulsed electric motor. Hope this helps. Cheers.

@a.king21: that's fantastic -- so simple (like a joule thief project), almost everybody can give it a shot! I will try to get some thick aluminum wire (much cheaper than copper wires) and do a preliminary test soon. Thanks for sharing your encouraging results!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on July 11, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Interesting device, but need some test to prove is OU:
Put the pyramid into a Faraday cage and see the output, I'am skeptic here.
I hope he is not just collecting the ambient RF waves which is not FE and overunity of course...
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 11, 2011, 03:56:57 PM
When you drill the hole in the inner copper tube for the wire to go through , do the following . After the drill goes through , just lean your drill 45 degees towards the end of the tube . That will de-burr it where it matters .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 11, 2011, 04:05:02 PM
When you drill the hole in the inner copper tube for the wire to go through , do the following . After the drill goes through , just lean your drill 45 degees towards the end of the tube . That will de-burr it where it matters .

Hi Neptune,

Thanks, good idea!!!!!

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 11, 2011, 06:07:30 PM
All,

I have found that by using a floor flang on a 3/4" plywood construction base really makes fiting the apex diagonals a lot easier. I cut strips of plexiglass and used my hand grinder to make thin wedges and used them to adust the tilt of the center pipe assembly so it was perfectly centered and straight at the top where the apex comes together.

What I've done with the center pipe is used 1/2" pipe for support and placed a short piece of 3/8" pipe on top of it. That way I'll weld the diagonal members to the 3/8" pipe and simply detach the supporting pipe below it when I'm finished. The 3/8" pipe is a little longer on the top side than I need but I'll trim that after the welding is complete.

I've shown the diagonals taped against the center pole but they are not cut yet. Here's were I'm stuck at the moment.

I've layed everything out in Google SketchUp and installed plugins to unfold the 3D images but am unable to print them because I'm running SketchUp under Wine (been running linux since '96). Wine has problems and preventing me from printing or exprorting to an image....

So I'm trying to get this worked out --  really want to make templates to use for cutting the diagonals ends.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 11, 2011, 07:14:45 PM
Since we don't know for sure were the energy in the pyramid is coming from,
I thouught the following website might give us more insight. 
The following website contains detailed info on different types of waves:

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Ultrasonics/Physics/wavepropagation.htm

Since quartz is piezoelectric, ultrasonics might explain were the energy is coming from. 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 11, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
All,

I have found that by using a floor flang on a 3/4" plywood construction base really makes fiting the apex diagonals a lot easier. I cut strips of plexiglass and used my hand grinder to make thin wedges and used them to adust the tilt of the center pipe assembly so it was perfectly centered and straight at the top where the apex comes together.

What I've done with the center pipe is used 1/2" pipe for support and placed a short piece of 3/8" pipe on top of it. That way I'll weld the diagonal members to the 3/8" pipe and simply detach the supporting pipe below it when I'm finished. The 3/8" pipe is a little longer on the top side than I need but I'll trim that after the welding is complete.

I've shown the diagonals taped against the center pole but they are not cut yet. Here's were I'm stuck at the moment.

I've layed everything out in Google SketchUp and installed plugins to unfold the 3D images but am unable to print them because I'm running SketchUp under Wine (been running linux since '96). Wine has problems and preventing me from printing or exprorting to an image....

So I'm trying to get this worked out --  really want to make templates to use for cutting the diagonals ends.

Hi Duff,

Darn good work!  Lots of thought!  Oh if I had that much room to work in!!!! 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Freezer on July 11, 2011, 10:24:58 PM
Nice work duff and Kazep.  Have you guys found a spot that you will use the pyramid in?, as in using the dousing rods?

I roughly modeled the pyramid frame last time trawoger was here, not sure if it will help anyone.  It basically tells you the angles for a 1000mm frame.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6636/3dvon3.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9339/sidevdy6.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/433/tctq8.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1061/bctq2.jpg

I could model the inner part if I had all the specs, I'll have to go through the video again.  Anyways good luck in your builds.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 12:32:13 AM
Nice work duff and Kazep.  Have you guys found a spot that you will use the pyramid in?, as in using the dousing rods?

I roughly modeled the pyramid frame last time trawoger was here, not sure if it will help anyone.  It basically tells you the angles for a 1000mm frame.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6636/3dvon3.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9339/sidevdy6.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/433/tctq8.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1061/bctq2.jpg

I could model the inner part if I had all the specs, I'll have to go through the video again.  Anyways good luck in your builds.

Thanks for the good wishes and info!  We need all the help we can get.  I haven't gotten out the ol dousing rods yet, but will soon
just for the fun of it.  In my youth was a heck of a dowser.............Wire will be here on the 14th.....so in holding pattern, might look at my pyramid tomorrow.......see how I can make it portable.....

Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 12, 2011, 04:16:12 AM
Below is an excerpt from  a lengthy post by Laborator on the German forum.

It sure would be nice if someone would actually translate some of this. There appears to be some rather interesting posts but I can only get bits and pieces with the translator...

http://www.overunity.de /index.php?PHPSESSID=0b23f432d1584a875fdbdf378f99b2bf&topic=1169.msg23091#msg23091 (http://www.overunity.de /index.php?PHPSESSID=0b23f432d1584a875fdbdf378f99b2bf&topic=1169.msg23091#msg23091)

Quote
Thesis:
The ever-existing corona discharge of our planet are the actual source of energy and thus the driving force behind the pyramid of energy. The corona discharges are distributed around the globe are constantly in motion and form, depending on Platentektonik, metal content and soil moisture and salinity in the earth's true birthplace of corona discharges.

The corona discharges are able, through means of  on-metallic clad pyramid through the center of the mirror, preferably quartz sand or quartz crystal in the longitudinal axis to bring in vibration and piezoelectric crystals to stimulate the release of energy with a certain frequency.

To generate a continuous piezoelectricity, the quartz crystal in a capacitor discharge. So now is always enough space in the condenser is present, a DC motor with multi-segmented commutator continuously connected as a consumer.
Only one such engine, with its pulse modes of consumption are the quartz crystal can unload, and store the energy in the capacitor. The engine itself can not utilize the piezoelectricity is directly dependent on the temporarily stored energy from the capacitor.

Other consumers can be connected only to the maximum capacity of the condenser. The consumer can only consume as much energy as it is generated in the crystal at the same time!
Thesis end

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 05:28:43 AM

Below is an excerpt from  a lengthy post by Laborator on the German forum.

It sure would be nice if someone would actually translate some of this. There appears to be some rather interesting posts but I can only get bits and pieces with the translator...

http://www.overunity.de /index.php?PHPSESSID=0b23f432d1584a875fdbdf378f99b2bf&topic=1169.msg23091#msg23091 (http://www.overunity.de /index.php?PHPSESSID=0b23f432d1584a875fdbdf378f99b2bf&topic=1169.msg23091#msg23091)


[/quote]

I'll try and paraphrase:

The ever-existing corona discharge of our planet is the actual source of energy and thus the driving force behind the pyramid  energy device/system. The corona discharges are distributed around the globe are constantly in motion and form, depending on the tectonic plates, metal content, soil moisture and salinity of the earth's true birthplace of corona discharges.

The corona discharges are able, through means of the  non-metallic/mineral clad pyramid with the reactor at the focal point of the pyramid are able to resonate the piezoelectric crystals within the reactor and stimulate the release of energy with/at a certain frequency.

To generate a continuous DC voltage by the piezoelectric effect,  the quartz crystal or sand is built into a capacitor. The amount of capacitance is enough to power a DC motor with  a multi-segmented commutator which also acts as a pulsar to modulate the quartz and
keep it in a operational mode. This pulse modes is essential for the device to operate.  The constant charging and pulse discharging of the Capacitor keeps a minimum amount of energy in the capacitor and allows more energy to be stored and available for use in that device.  The electric motor itself can not utilize the  high impedance/high voltage produced via the piezoelectric effect and produced by the crystals/sand elements within the reactor, but is  down converted to a lower level of DC available in the Capacitance conversion process (many little capacitors being paralleled and dumped into a larger capacitor) and is directly dependent on the temporarily stored energy from the capacitor.

Other loads can be connected only to the maximum capacity of the condenser/crystal piezoelectric process. The loads can only consume as much energy as it is generated in the crystal and converted to usable DC voltage at any given time. IF the load is greater than the device can produce, it will essentially short out the crystal matrix and cease to operate until the crystal/sand is recharged.

Thats my take on it....

Ben K4ZEP
   
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 07:32:44 AM
   All:
   If I may, I would like to state a different idea as to of why any pyramid, cone, dome, or sphere have power.  As all are energy generating structures.
   The corona discharges are not the cause of the effects, anymore than a cloud is the cause of lighting.  The cause is due to the Earths Vortex and its attributed energies, the Aether.  which you neither see nor is detectable by any instrument made, so far.
  Since you are able to SEE things like the northern lights and other corona type discharges you have erroneously attributed them as the cause of the energy found on Earth as well as inside the energetic foam structures mentioned above. But,  that is not correct. 
  The Earths Vortex is what created the planet, and not the other way around. It keeps the Earth revolving as it is an open vortex, unlike the moon which does not spin (closed vortex).  The master or Sun's Vortex along with the Earths Vortex produces all the different types of energies, such as light, heat, as well as all forms of electromagnetic, and non electromagnet energies that are found here on the planet as well as in space within our solar system.  IT is the cause of all forms of visible energy as well as dark matter.  It is this universal energy also erroneously called "gravity" on our planet, that holds the Earth together as a globe, affects our tides, and makes for the changing of the seasons.  So called "gravity" is not a pull to the center, but a push instead, from the outer towards the innermost part of our planet, and out through both north and south poles.  It is this force, the force of the Earths Vortex that is responsible for the increased activity and further concentration of energy in pyramids.  PYRA-MID  meaning fire in the center. 
  In the case of small models like we are working with here, the piezoelectric effect is also not the cause of the additional energy. But rather it is again the pyramids vortex invisibly spiraling inside the structure that is causing the charging, activation and effect generation of the capacitor, to separate the negative from the positive charges, thus adding ions or charge to the quartz or sand crystals placed at the focal point of this energy form structure.  Similar to a thunderhead, which when reaching a saturation point, releases some stored up and condensed energy in the form of lighting, which is then dissipated and absorbed by any negative ground.   
  Similar to how a magnifying glass can focus enough energy on one spot hot enough to burn organic matter. In a like manner the pyramid produces, or manufacture its own energy from the surrounding Aether and focuses it, by its own vortexial power,  toward the center and out through the corners and top of the structure.
 
   I know that many will not agree with this "VORTEX THEORY",  but after spending half my life inside of pyramids,  as well as being surrounded by quartz crystals, this is what I've learned to be the truth.
                         NickZ
   
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gauschor on July 12, 2011, 09:01:38 AM
Please reconsider some parts of your theory with these hints:

1) The moon actually does spin.
2) If the "gravity" is a pushing force and comes out on the poles, how come people don't fly off or jump higher at these locations?
3) The expression "Pyramid" is greek and the name was given thousands of years later after the pyramids were built - the name was not given because of a "mysterious" power in the center, but because of the top of the pyramid which was made of brighter material gleaming in the sun, looking like a fire from afar. The name is purely superficial and does not explain any deeper background.
Unfortunately I can't recall the original name of the pyramidal structures anymore, and which book it was that explained in more detail.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 12, 2011, 01:39:22 PM
HI Ben,

Thanks for the paraphrase -
I don't know if you read the entire post but he presents a background discussion prior to the theory.

Also thought you might be interested in this comment concerning wood construction.

@freecell: I tryed to build the pyramide with copper-tubes, but it didn?t work proper. (I don?t know why)
As i changes the construction into wood, it worked absolutely not, because there was no minus pole.


EDIT:    Concerning Wire

http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=11 (http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=11)
Quote
   Trawoeger (08.07.2011 08:30):
Hello
I never had sucsess mith multi-strandes wires. I don´z know why, but maybe there is some turbulence inside the wires. You can use the thicker Wire too, but you have to calculate the outside coil and the capacitor depending to the inner coil.
The Formular will be shown here on the next days.


Edit2: 

http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=12 (http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=12)

Quote
Trawoeger (11.07.2011 09:38):
hello
Well, i use steel with a diameter of 20 x 20 mm (of course hollow with a thickness of 2mm)
(very cheap and everywhere buyable in the mm-zone)
Everything is welded good.
You can use copper as good as Steel, but my working skill did better effects in welding steel as in soldering copper :-)

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 03:19:46 PM
HI Ben,

Thanks for the paraphrase -
I don't know if you read the entire post but he presents a background discussion prior to the theory.

Also thought you might be interested in this comment concerning wood construction.


EDIT:    Concerning Wire

http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=11 (http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=11)

Edit2: 

http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=12 (http://www.comshop.tv/tpp/community/index.php?action=view&topicid=12)

Thanks Duff for giving me the heads up on the wood idea of mine and it not working!!!!!!!!  Arrrrgggg, there goes that easier build!!!!! 

Hope we all can keep each other on the "right" path to get this thing to work!!!!!!

Ben

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 12, 2011, 04:19:03 PM

Here some examples of Trawoeger pyramid construction using metal screws/bolts & brackets:

www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3753.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3753.0)


http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?s=c0b117fe29c3319528c50dc7d5114560&showtopic=734&st=20&#entry19159 (http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?s=c0b117fe29c3319528c50dc7d5114560&showtopic=734&st=20&#entry19159)

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 12, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Hello Community
I want to say Thanks to you, that you try my Device practically (we spoke too much the last days..)
Off Course, I was silence reader of this thread since the beginning, and now, we will have the great chance to prove V12 in more countrys.
But I have to say it very clear: Pleas follow all the steps as described.

It is very important now, to get the first POSITIVE Results without any experiments, because if you have a running pyramide, there would be plenty of time to make experiments.

The Major Problem will occure, if the first guys will haave a non working skulpture in the shack..
To provide this, please follow all Steps as described.

I had so much problems with measures und coils, I cant count.
And if i could understand all the Process inside the Pyramide, i could tell you all about it.
But now, I can only reproduce my V´s, and believe my, I am still stunning like a kid :-)

The last days, i tryed to get some Coppertubes with inches instead of my tubes in Millimeters, to check the necessary measurements. I also tryed to get the cables with non european Norms, but there is no way for me, to get something.

I think, there are very important differences and maybe some new calculations necessary, to get this to run.

To make shure, we will have a working V12 in overunity.com too, you can vote for a member of your desire.
If this member of overunity.com want to make the V12, i will send him all the inside Material (reactor, sand and capacitor) on my Costs to make it running.
I want you to decide, who will get this, because i don´t want ´bad ideas (And Yes, I will pay nobody for good results :-)

I make the same deal with somebody in the german Forum: His name is "Freigeist" and he is the only guy in the whole OU-Scene wich gave more than words to this case.
(The guy made the complete V12 Tutorial in german Language!!!)

So if we would have 3 Guys around with a working V12, we would have a good platform for further research...

You can decide, who´s the guy, but don´t vote for Yourself....  ;D
I would be happy with some real integrated Person here, and it is not necessary to be a fan of me :-)
You can send your vote as PM or to  tpp-et-comshop.tv
Nice greetings
Thomas
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 12, 2011, 05:25:15 PM
I think we should all vote for Ben , K4ZEP if he is up for it . As he is a water deviner , he stands the best chance , and he was amongst the first to start a replication .If Ben is not up for it , he will tell us .Please vote for somebody .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 12, 2011, 07:05:12 PM
Thomas,

Thanks for making such a kind offer. Glad you are posting again over here.

@all

If Ben is up to it then I think he is a good choice. He has a life time of electronic experience which would be great  when it comes to researching how the pyramid works.

Ben, I do have questions about where you would build it since you  live on the 8th floor of a condominium and how you  would transport it to various locations for testing.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 07:34:16 PM
    Guys:
   The word PYRA (fire) MID (center).   For reason...
   If the moon revolves, the dark side which has never been seen from earth would be visible, but it's not.
   It takes words to understand and explain the function of anything. Many have tried to obtain power from a pyramid in the past, as if that was the Great Pyramids original purpose.   
   Piezo electric effect???  I don't think so. Not with these light models.
 
   If we understand where the energy really comes from then we may be able to make a lot more of it, than has been produced up to now. Normal science will not explain it, in any proper way, as it does not understand nor has been able to utilize the vortex theory, in practice.
  The same energy threw a person 20 feet through the air, as some of you may have known or heard of Les Brown.
   I am glad to see you all involved with these tests, and, I'm certainly not knocking them, as I know it takes crawling, to learn to walk.
   I have already made a 6.5 foot base copper framed pyramid, as well as several others, and have built several pyramid tents, houses, green houses, etz...  I am only now waiting to see your results, this time.
    My "words" are coming from over 35 years of observations, and hands on testing. And I am the only one I know of that has spent many years inside of these structures, and have learned more than has been only written about in most pyramid books, as most are very basic, and don't include nor know of the best kept secrets.
   Good luck to all.
                                NickZ
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tak22 on July 12, 2011, 09:30:40 PM
        My "words" are coming from over 35 years of observations, and hands on testing. And I am the only one I know of that has spent many years inside of these structures, and have learned more than has been only written about in most pyramid books, as most are very basic, and don't include nor know of the best kept secrets.

Are you willing to share what you've learned? This is a good place to release 'best kept secrets', or are they dangerous? It'd be a waste of hard earned knowledge if you have something that could be shared and it ends up 'lost' in time. Please consider.

tak

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bourne on July 12, 2011, 09:52:48 PM
...
   If the moon revolves, the dark side which has never been seen from earth would be visible, but it's not.
....

It does revolve, very slowly. One revolution is equal to it's 28 day orbit around the Earth, that is why we only see one side.

I hope this helps
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 10:19:17 PM
  tak22:
   I would gladly share, what I would consider as secrets, but most, would toss them aside, and trample through my most cherished knowledge. I am not taking the bait, this time. 
  I can direct to to some interesting reading on this subject, not known by most.  The book called OAHSPE.   (free download below)
http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/oahspedownload/OAHSPE.pdf
  There you'll find a thousand pages of information, objective, impartial, knowledge, and history, both the how and what happened  on Earth as well as in the space and dimensions directly above the Earths corporal domains.  There is a whole chapter devoted to the subject of the little known true purpose of the Great Pyramid, Who built it, and the how and why of it.  As well as how it all relates to the NOW.
  Another book you might find of interest is the -Book of Knowledge,  64 KEYS of Enock,  if you can find it. 
   There is interesting information in both books.
   Although there are some things that I can say, do, and help with.  We all get a chance to talk, discuss and contribute, also.
   Ok, I won't bore you all anymore.  Ha!   
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 10:35:49 PM
Thomas,

Thanks for making such a kind offer. Glad you are posting again over here.

@all

If Ben is up to it then I think he is a good choice. He has a life time of electronic experience which would be great  when it comes to researching how the pyramid works.

Ben, I do have questions about where you would build it since you  live on the 8th floor of a condominium and how you  would transport it to various locations for testing.

Hi Thomas, Duff, Neptune,

First, Thomas,

I'm glad you have joined in our little group here.  I will try not to ask too many questions and keep myself on track.
I will be happy to work with you in any way you wish and if the group wants it that way, then so be it.  Your offer for a working reactor is
a splendid first step, MOST helpful.  I have a finished reactor (but who knows if it will work) and the #16 wire will be here tomorrow to wind the coils in the reactor and the Capacitor.  But, it is easier to start from a working model and then continue!  I will download that book OAHSPE and read it tonight, suggested by NickZ, as reading is my second nature (just did and it is a mouthful!).

Duff,

I have to make the pyramid transportable as I do live on the 6th floor in a Condo.  I will make it where I can break it down using steel or copper tubing, nuts and bolts.  Thomas, I can weld very well but not longer have my TIG welder, but I solder very well using propane torch.    Individual sides will be reinforced gypsum (on the outside) cut to pyramid shape and attached to small tabs on tubing.  Transport in trunk of car to local park about 2 miles from where I live or if I find a hot spot here on the condo grounds, give the old ladies something to talk about!. Initially it will sit on fold-able saw-horses for alignment in the N/S direction +/- etc, later on ground for more output.   It will be a pain but as I have a very inquiring mind, I have to follow through with it.  It is MOST important to know what does not work and to have Thomas's guiding hand here would be absolutely splendid and a time saver!

I have two Email Addresses k4zep@yahoo.com and bthomas201@tampabay.rr.com but prefer to keep it on this list for all to see.  This includes the good, the bad, and the small steps towards a working device.

Respectfully

Ben Thomas, K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
 bourne:
  The point I'm trying to make is that there is a vortex responsible for both the existance of the Earth, as well as of the Moon, and every other planet, sun and nebula etz... There are open vortex, and closed vortex systems.  The moon, although it makes a complete revolution in 28 days or so,   does so without turning on its axis,  as we are doing right now. 
  I don't want to tie up the thread with an off topic, but this is not all about the moon, its about the force that is responsible for All energies. Including the one working inside the "pyramid space",  that we all would like to be able to... tap. tap. tap. into.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 10:44:50 PM
  tak22:
   I would gladly share, what I would consider as secrets, but most, would toss them aside, and trample through my most cherished knowledge. I am not taking the bait, this time. 
  I can direct to to some interesting reading on this subject, not known by most.  The book called OAHSPE.   (free download below)
http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/oahspedownload/OAHSPE.pdf
  There you'll find a thousand pages of information, objective, impartial, knowledge, and history, both the how and what happened  on Earth as well as in the space and dimensions directly above the Earths corporal domains.  There is a whole chapter devoted to the subject of the little known true purpose of the Great Pyramid, Who built it, and the how and why of it.  As well as how it all relates to the NOW.
  Another book you might find of interest is the -Book of Knowledge,  64 KEYS of Enock,  if you can find it. 
   There is interesting information in both books.
   Although there are some things that I can say, do, and help with.  We all get a chance to talk, discuss and contribute, also.
   Ok, I won't bore you all anymore.  Ha!

Hi Nick,

Downloaded book, will take more than an evening to read! 
Any idea on the history of the book?

Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bourne on July 12, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
bourne:
  The point I'm trying to make is that there is a vortex responsible for both the existance of the Earth, as well as of the Moon, and every other planet, sun and nebula etz... There are open vortex, and closed vortex systems.  The moon, although it makes a complete revolution in 28 days or so,   does so without turning on its axis,  as we are doing right now. 
  I don't want to tie up the thread with an off topic, but this is not all about the moon, its about the force that is responsible for All energies. Including the one working inside the "pyramid space",  that we all would like to be able to... tap. tap. tap. into.

I totally agree with you NickZ with the presence of vortices. I know for a fact I can feel my chakra points when I meditate so I have no problem with invisible vortices.

I like to think the Earth and the Moon are in an embrace similar to two ballroom dancers, forever twirling each other through the solar system. All for our pleasure and enjoyment.

I have been known to open my big mouth at the most inopportune moments, so carry on, sorry for interjecting.

All the best
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 12, 2011, 11:05:11 PM
I totally agree with you NickZ with the presence of vortices. I know for a fact I can feel my chakra points when I meditate so I have no problem with invisible vortices.

I like to think the Earth and the Moon are in an embrace similar to two ballroom dancers, forever twirling each other through the solar system. All for our pleasure and enjoyment.

I have been known to open my big mouth at the most inopportune moments, so carry on, sorry for interjecting.

All the best

All,

Tell a friend you are a "dowser" and watch their expression (if they know what it is).   We all are what we are.  Our individual life experiences all are unique to others but not to us! As far as I am concerned, everything close to topic is applicable and of value.  Now lets get a Pyramid working!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 11:27:12 PM
   Ben:
   All I can say is that my version of the book is as old as me. 1952 The original was written in 1882 or so, by Dr. Newbrough.  He, did not read it himself until it was complete.  The book mentions that it would take 10000 books to explain just a part of the Mysteries of the Pyramids,  and the life and times the people lived, as well as all their accomplishments.  This book OAHSPE, was where the word -STARSHIP-  came from. 
   
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bourne on July 12, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
All,

Tell a friend you are a "dowser" and watch their expression (if they know what it is).   We all are what we are.  Our individual life experiences all are unique to others but not to us! As far as I am concerned, everything close to topic is applicable and of value.  Now lets get a Pyramid working!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

Thanks Ben.

yes back to the topic of Pyramids, That's the Point of this thread, right !

I will continue watching with interest.

All the best.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Freezer on July 12, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
I think we should all vote for Ben , K4ZEP if he is up for it . As he is a water deviner , he stands the best chance , and he was amongst the first to start a replication .If Ben is not up for it , he will tell us .Please vote for somebody .

I would agree with Neptune, Kazep seems to be a genuine guy, with good intentions, and also is familiar with dowsing, so my vote goes to Kazep.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 13, 2011, 12:28:22 AM
I would agree with Neptune, Kazep seems to be a genuine guy, with good intentions, and also is familiar with dowsing, so my vote goes to Kazep.

me too, if Ben is agreeable


my only worry is if Ben 'Strikes Water' whilst working in the "World's Smallest Lab", will he be able to get out in time and shut the door before he sinks the Condo?  ;)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 13, 2011, 02:02:19 AM
me too, if Ben is agreeable


my only worry is if Ben 'Strikes Water' whilst working in the "World's Smallest Lab", will he be able to get out in time and shut the door before he sinks the Condo?  ;)

Don't worry NP, I got it covered with my "noodle"...................going to float my boat.
Let me say folks, I am really serious about the Pyramid power.  So lets see what happens......
The picture below is just for fun!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: believe-it-when-i-see-it on July 13, 2011, 07:45:45 AM
Hi all,

What do you make of the mention of copper and power within this recent CNN article about the Great Pyramid of Giza? .... particularly

"The camera also scrutinized two copper pins embedded in the door to the chamber at the end of the tunnel. In a statement, Shaun Whitehead, of Scoutek UK, said: "People have been wondering about the purpose of these pins for over 20 years. It had been suggested that they were handles, keys or even parts of an electrical power plant, but our new pictures from behind the pins cast doubt on these theories."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/28/pyramid.markings/index.html


and to a lesser extent in the following (no mention of copper in this latter short article):

The Power and Mystery of Pyramids

by
Dhyani Jo Sinclair

The meaning of the word pyramid is "fire in the middle," derived from the Latin pyra (Greek pur ), meaning fire or light. What is this fire in the middle and how is it created?

A pyramid structure, with closed or open sides, creates a vital centre of electromagnetic energy if it is constructed to the same proportional dimensions as the Great Pyramid of Giza and if one of its straight sides is facing true north. As long as the pyramid is aligned to the north-south magnetic axis it will become "charged." The space within the pyramid accumulates and intensifies energy, generating an energy field with unusual properties.

Since pyramid power is only created when a pyramid's angles and ratios match the Great Pyramid, let us first investigate some of the marvels and speculative history of this first and only remaining "Wonder of the World."

The Great Pyramid of Giza

source: http://www.pyramidyoga.com/infopages/why-pyramid.htm
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 13, 2011, 09:25:11 AM
@all:
It would be a pleasure for me, to work with Mr. Ben (K4ZEP) because he is (in my opinion) absolutely thrustful and i think, he will have the reputation here to proof something. And of course, his working skill should fix all the little problems...
(I checked the possibility to send the necessary Parts from Europe to US, and it would be not the great thing...)
Today i spoke with a good friend wich is working on a great forewarding Company. he told me, the Americans are a little bit paranoid with unexplainable things in Packed goods, but we could declare all goods as Parts for Antennas specially for HAM - Users....

Its good to have a HAM on the other Side  ;D

73 de OE5TRP
(For all non HAM´s - nice greetings from Tom)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 13, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
The last days, i tryed to get some Coppertubes with inches instead of my tubes in Millimeters, to check the necessary measurements. I also tryed to get the cables with non european Norms, but there is no way for me, to get something.

I think, there are very important differences and maybe some new calculations necessary, to get this to run.

That's a bad news for my replication in scale 1/2 nearly achieved with screw and bolt. I live in Europe (France) but since 1 meter side is a big pyramid (and heavy to carry) I built a 50cm side pyramid and if no calculations are possible I will not be able to build a working reactor.

What's more the following question was in my head since few days:

I wanted to divide all sizes in half in the reactor; with the question: if I reduce the coil in half measurement (the double coil in the reactor, with the sand), its inductance will be reduced by half (diameter half, length half and number of wiring the same with a wire half diameter gives half inductance) and the capacitor will be half only if the distance between the plates is divided in half too (you have to find a half thinner isolating plastic around the wire, assuming it is the same dielectric value).

Then you have a resonant condition with L and C. Let's say that the frequency is tuned to the size of the pyramid. The energy from the ground goes in the pyramid frame and a waveform is generated. This I deduce from other studies about the use of Cosmo tellurism in forms. The length of the wave generated is connected to the pyramid size. So the pyramid size is half, and the wave length is half.

But a resonant condition in LC circuit gives a resonant frequency depending on L*C product. So if L is half and C is half then L*C is quarter and is not tuned to the waveform which is half. It is only presumptions but this is a link between a flow of energy which is continuous coming from the ground and the fact that we tune to a frequency: this energy coming from the ground vibrates within the form of the pyramid.

So you have to take half of the coil inductance and not changing anything of the capacitor if you want to stay tuned with a half pyramid.

Maybe these ideas can help you in modifying your specifications within the reactor to have it working with scales!

I have to build a 1 meter new one now!

Quote from: Trawoeger
To make shure, we will have a working V12 in overunity.com too, you can vote for a member of your desire.
If this member of overunity.com want to make the V12, i will send him all the inside Material (reactor, sand and capacitor) on my Costs to make it running.
I want you to decide, who will get this, because i don´t want ´bad ideas (And Yes, I will pay nobody for good results :-)

Very good idea! This is important to have an independent replication working. There is skilled people working here and somebody will be elected for sure.
Meanwhile I must build a new pyramid!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 13, 2011, 11:22:05 AM
Don't worry NP, I got it covered with my "noodle"...................going to float my boat.
[...]
The picture below is just for fun!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP


Ben, that's what i admire about you - prepared for every eventuality!  :)
 

good luck with the replication
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 13, 2011, 02:15:28 PM
@all:
It would be a pleasure for me, to work with Mr. Ben (K4ZEP) because he is (in my opinion) absolutely thrustful and i think, he will have the reputation here to proof something. And of course, his working skill should fix all the little problems...
(I checked the possibility to send the necessary Parts from Europe to US, and it would be not the great thing...)
Today i spoke with a good friend wich is working on a great forewarding Company. he told me, the Americans are a little bit paranoid with unexplainable things in Packed goods, but we could declare all goods as Parts for Antennas specially for HAM - Users....

Its good to have a HAM on the other Side  ;D

73 de OE5TRP
(For all non HAM´s - nice greetings from Tom)

English is Below the German, did a front to back check with "Google Translate"
and it isn't perfect but might be easier on Thomas's eyes!
My one year of German about 48 years ago in college is NO help!  But I do
remember what Guten Morgen says!

Ben


Guten Morgen Thomas,

In diesem Free Energy Business, sind der Glaube und das Vertrauen in den Austausch von Ideen und Konzepten im Vordergrund.
Ich werde mein Bestes tun, um mit Ihnen zu arbeiten und bauen dieses Arbeitsgerät. Alle Fragen, die ich fragen wird sein, meine eigene zu klären
verstehen, von der Mechanik, wie sie zu bauen. Was die Theorie der, wie es funktioniert, werde ich, dass der Sessel zu verlassen
Theoretiker. Ich begann mit dem Bau meiner eigenen Reaktor zunächst, denn wenn ich nicht bekommen kann es die grundlegende Hinweise, dass es zu zeigen,
ist ein aktives Gerät, anschließend den Pyramide war fruchtlos. Die Nr. 16 TW 600V ac Draht soll heute geliefert werden
und ich werde in der Lage, 98-101 Umdrehungen in der Mitte Kupferkern zu bekommen. Ich werde es mit Bildern für alle Dokumenttypen wie ich entlang gehen.

Wenn Sie versorgen die metrischen Materialien / oder eine eingebaute Reaktor und Cap., Dass sehr hilfreich sein würde und würde sicherlich den Prozess beschleunigen
und ich würde weitermachen und den Aufbau einer Pyramide, wenn ich also in die E-Mail wissen. Ich bin nicht einer schnellen Erbauer, sondern bekommen es getan.
Ich werde glücklich sein, um die Kosten für Material und Versand bezahlen, wenn Sie dies wünschen.

As time goes entlang, kann ich Videos auf YouTube über die Fortschritte auch posten. What a wonderful world in der wir leben

Ich habe ein HAM seit ich ungefähr 12 Jahre alt war (immer wie es scheint), nicht auf die Luft im Moment, als ich meine YAESU und Antennentuner verkauft mit meinem Segelboot zu Beginn dieses Jahres (die Frau wollte ein Pontonboot), bin aber für einen anderen suchen Rig kann ich hier den Einsatz in der Eigentumswohnung mit einem "hidden"; ;D Antennensystem. Ich bin so beschäftigt mit anderen Projekten, eine neue Anlage kann warten.

73 der

Hochachtungsvoll
Ben K4ZEP


Good Morning Thomas,

In this Free Energy business, faith and trust are paramount in the exchange of ideas and concepts.
I'll do my best to work with you and build this working device.  Any questions I ask will be to clarify my own
understand of the mechanics of how to build it.  As to the theory of how it works, I'll leave that to the armchair
theorists.  I started building my own reactor first because if I can not get it to show the basic indications that it
is an active device, then building the pyramid was fruitless.  The # 16 TW 600V ac  wire is supposed to be delivered today
and I will be able to get the 98-101 turns on the center copper core.  I'll document it with pictures for all as I go along.

If you can supply the metric materials/or a built reactor and Cap.,  that would be MOST helpful and would certainly speed up the process
and I would go ahead and start building a Pyramid once I know that is in the mail.  I am not a fast builder but will get it done.
I will be happy to pay the cost of materials and shipping if you so desire. 

As time goes along, I can post video on YouTube of the progress also.  What a wonderful world we live in. 

I have been a HAM since I was about 12 years old (forever it seems), not on the air right now as I sold my Yeasu and antenna tuner with my sailboat earlier this year (wife wanted a Pontoon boat) but am looking for another Rig I can use here in the Condo with a "hidden" ;D antenna system.  I am so busy with different projects, a new rig can wait. 

I'm going to use Google Translate and send this in German  for Thomas.......

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP




Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 13, 2011, 02:20:54 PM
That's a bad news for my replication in scale 1/2 nearly achieved with screw and bolt. I live in Europe (France) but since 1 meter side is a big pyramid (and heavy to carry) I built a 50cm side pyramid and if no calculations are possible I will not be able to build a working reactor.

What's more the following question was in my head since few days:

I wanted to divide all sizes in half in the reactor; with the question: if I reduce the coil in half measurement (the double coil in the reactor, with the sand), its inductance will be reduced by half (diameter half, length half and number of wiring the same with a wire half diameter gives half inductance) and the capacitor will be half only if the distance between the plates is divided in half too (you have to find a half thinner isolating plastic around the wire, assuming it is the same dielectric value).

Then you have a resonant condition with L and C. Let's say that the frequency is tuned to the size of the pyramid. The energy from the ground goes in the pyramid frame and a waveform is generated. This I deduce from other studies about the use of Cosmo tellurism in forms. The length of the wave generated is connected to the pyramid size. So the pyramid size is half, and the wave length is half.

But a resonant condition in LC circuit gives a resonant frequency depending on L*C product. So if L is half and C is half then L*C is quarter and is not tuned to the waveform which is half. It is only presumptions but this is a link between a flow of energy which is continuous coming from the ground and the fact that we tune to a frequency: this energy coming from the ground vibrates within the form of the pyramid.

So you have to take half of the coil inductance and not changing anything of the capacitor if you want to stay tuned with a half pyramid.

Maybe these ideas can help you in modifying your specifications within the reactor to have it working with scales!

I have to build a 1 meter new one now!

Very good idea! This is important to have an independent replication working. There is skilled people working here and somebody will be elected for sure.
Meanwhile I must build a new pyramid!

Hi Pascuser,

You have some very good ideas there, time will tell.  First we all have to build the 1 meter unit.  Keep at it.  The more that try, the more
possibilities that we can succeed!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 13, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
I had no idea one has to be a Radio Amateur to join the Pyramid club! I am not an active Ham at present , but I am G0HPV .I am really happy to learn that Ben is the chosen one .If anyone can replicate this , he is the man . This is a really important occasion , because if Ben succeeds , others will be inspired and the thing will take off . I have some problems with space , and finances are tight , but if Ben succeeds , I will find a way . In it`s present design , the pyramid occupies a lot of space for a few watts output , but that is not the point . This could well be the first time in history that the average handyman can make a device that proves the existence of a new energy source . It`s greatest achievement would be to open peoples eyes . I would like to thank Thomas for his generous offer . His videos are very comprehensive , but as always questions will arise . I know that Thomas said that he does not want to answer a thousand questions .I will nevertheless ask one or two questions and then it is up to him answer them or not , as he thinks best . My questions are about using high voltage instead of High Frequency to condition the sand . First , it has been mentioned that if more than 3 thousand volts is used , it would cause insulation to break down . Second , Is AC or DC the best choice , or can either be used . And finally .Does the high voltage have to be applied continuously , or can it be pulsed?In other words , can we use the high voltage from one ignition wire of a 4 cylinder engine ? The answers to these few questions would help people who do not have radio equipment .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: smoky on July 13, 2011, 05:01:42 PM
Hi Tom, Ben, group,
I liked the videos Tom posted & have started building my reactor for a replication attempt. The copper pipe was fairly expensive in Australia especially the larger one. 
Had trouble finding fine grained quartz sand, but finally was able to purchase this from "Petbarn" a pet animal products retailer. It is used in cages for reptiles.  On eBay.au here it's sold in 3Kg bags.
Going to go the high voltage route using old car ignition coil & 555 with HV transistor. 
Filling thru small plastic funnel the high voltage isn't such a big deal danger wise, as long as the things not capable of too much current.

I am old HAM also (VK2XQM) don't have UHF high power capabilty also not brave enough to risk the high VSWR Tom showed on what little I do have.

Charging the sand intrigues me, if anyones seen the 'dismantleable  capacitor' video on YouTube, by one of the universities. They clearly demonstrate that the charge remains in the dielectric. ie They charge the cap up remove & short out the plates then reassemble with the glass dielectric again and the charge is still there!

Dunno if the above helps anyone else, will post more as I go along.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 13, 2011, 05:29:14 PM
Hi All,

We have a lot of "old" hams here.  To the old ones and new ones joining this list, you don't have to a old ham or a X ham or a ham bone to do this but it does show where you are coming from and your background of theory and electrical expertise!  There is so much knowledge here to be shared, we can only have a good outcome in the end.   :)

Waiting for UPS and my wire.

Oh, the only reason I use my Ham call sign is that there are other Ben's floating around and I'm trying to keep the confusion down.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 14, 2011, 12:07:02 AM
Hi All,

Well received my 3/4" rods for the capacitor but no wire.  It is somewhere out there between upstate FL and here.  Probably tomorrow.
Slow day even for me, lots of reading, taking it easy...

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 14, 2011, 09:01:52 AM
@K4ZEP: Hello Ben
I want to thank you to thrust me and I want to thank you for your willing to make the V12 for all the other Guys.
It would be a pleasure for me to send you all necessary things (proven Items) to built our nice Playtoy.
(There is not much to send, because there are only a few things really necessary...)

Well, on the other side, I think it would be better to live with my bad english. First my reading experinece is better than my writing.
(The google Translation is that funny, but believe, you cannot understand anything after this funny translation :-))

So I am shure, we will communicate in english, and if anything is not clear, i will explain it twice (with other words)

This weekend I will make a complete list of all the Items, i can send you. Then i will check the weight and i will make all the customs-works (documents)
I am in hope to send it via FedEx or UPS  (I am waiting for the abilitys and conditions)

The only problem would be to find a proper way of communication. ( so i will think about this too)
Nice greetings, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 14, 2011, 09:07:46 AM
@K4ZEP:
I forgot to say: " And of course, all costs will stay on my side!"
73 de OE5TRP / LZ1TRT
(I am double HAM with a special "Honor Callsign" in Bulgaria, but that´s another Story :-)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 14, 2011, 03:34:56 PM
@K4ZEP: Hello Ben
I want to thank you to thrust me and I want to thank you for your willing to make the V12 for all the other Guys.
It would be a pleasure for me to send you all necessary things (proven Items) to built our nice Playtoy.
(There is not much to send, because there are only a few things really necessary...)

Well, on the other side, I think it would be better to live with my bad english. First my reading experinece is better than my writing.
(The google Translation is that funny, but believe, you cannot understand anything after this funny translation :-))

So I am shure, we will communicate in english, and if anything is not clear, i will explain it twice (with other words)

This weekend I will make a complete list of all the Items, i can send you. Then i will check the weight and i will make all the customs-works (documents)
I am in hope to send it via FedEx or UPS  (I am waiting for the abilitys and conditions)

The only problem would be to find a proper way of communication. ( so i will think about this too)
Nice greetings, Tom

Good Morning Thomas,

I figured you would get a kick out of the "google" mess up of the good German language, but had to try it one time.
FedX and UPS both come to my Condo on a regular basis so either one is excellent and they know me here.
By the time your unit gets here, I will probably have my reactor done and we can do a pictorial and electrical
comparison between the two.

I will be building the Pyramid this weekend using 3/8" or 1/2" copper tubing and silver solder on the fittings and pins to hold it together.
I will be using 1/4" Gypsum board trimmed with tape to cover the ruff edges.  Painted to make the 3 sides presentable.  Will show basic
hand drawings of the unit before I start for you approval.

I would like to be able to converse with you via email and/or SKYPE if that is agreeable to you if/when I have any questions in particular or I have a mis-understand on any part of the design.  Again when everything is clear, would post it here with your approval.  As a ship can only have one captain, I wish to only be the second in command here.  You are the master, I am just a builder.  I will  not bother you with
un-necessary questions as your video was very clear.  I have watched the whole series 3 times already making copious notes and only have 3-4 questions for clarification and probably can carry on anyway.  I hope my build here will give encouragement to other builders.  As my knowledge increases in the "HOW" to do it, perhaps others that are very good at the theoretical level can add to our knowledge as to "WHY" it works as they build also.  Some things you have to do with a giant leap of faith as logic simply doesn't work here with our limited knowledge to the "theory" of operation.  But Dowsing works for me, so lets get on with it!  I enjoy a building adventure and this certainly is one!.

Will put up a video on YouTube in the next several days on my "dowsing" for spots here.  I am rather curious as to what I will find here in
the State of Florida, USA as I live right on the water of the ICW and Gulf of Mexico.  There is water everywhere down only 4-8 feet!  So this will be a first for me.  I will use two copper rods because a green fruit tree "Y" is just not available.  Copper has worked in the past for me but I prefer the other.....but.......anyway.  Will have my wife carry the camera and we will see what happens. 

Google maps "7400 Sun Island Dr S, St Petersburg, FL 33707" and you will see where I live and the "water" problem.  There is a nice area in front of where I live with a big tree in it and a small park across the street.  If none of these work out, there is a nice area about 2 miles from me where I fly R/C model Gliders that should work well.

Thats all for now.  Thomas, let me know when you have your parts together and need a complete address.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 14, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
@K4ZEP:
I forgot to say: " And of course, all costs will stay on my side!"
73 de OE5TRP / LZ1TRT
(I am double HAM with a special "Honor Callsign" in Bulgaria, but that´s another Story :-)

I forgot to say that in a future time, I want to hear the story behind your double call sign!  Most EXCELLENT!
We will discuss the cost and reciprocity at a later date too.  I like to keep the books balanced!  But for now, it is good.

Most Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 14, 2011, 06:31:48 PM
Will put up a video on YouTube in the next several days on my "dowsing" for spots here.  I am rather curious as to what I will find here in
the State of Florida, USA as I live right on the water of the ICW and Gulf of Mexico.  There is water everywhere down only 4-8 feet!  So this will be a first for me.  I will use two copper rods because a green fruit tree "Y" is just not available.  Copper has worked in the past for me but I prefer the other.....but.......anyway.  Will have my wife carry the camera and we will see what happens. 

I first tried to use Y tree wood to find water underground some months ago. I never tried before and did not know wether I could find something or not.

I went in the countryside and tried, and after about 30 minutes it suddenly worked: my Y wood rotated down. Then I tried several times and put woods on the ground, a line was beginning to appear. I tried besides and again and again, and there was a line.

This was not the proof that I found water since I did not dig. I bought L rods (brass rods) to find the same thing. It works much better and I suggest you to use it instead of Y wood, the "signal" is more clear with it. Many people can use it to find water and can't with Y tree wood. L rods rotate horizontally. I tried and found the same line. In truth I found three parallel lines, too were borders and another one in the middle. I tried in my garden and found three lines again. Finding lines is interesting but proves nothing.

I then used my rods on bridges and found that my rods were pivotating above the bridge: one time for each border of the river and one time approximately in the center. The points where the rod rotates on the border of the river sometimes I could find them, sometimes I couldn't. I went dozens of times on the same way to compare: the points weren't at the same place for borders, but were in the same place for the center and I found the center line each time: in one way in the reversal way I could find the center line each time.

Now I have made many experiments to understand what happens. I used a metal wire on the ground connected to my hand when having my hand on the rods. I walk... and the rods rotate at the exact position where the wire goes out of the river. It could be many feet after the right place because the wire could be long. I then understood that the energy coming from the river and going up was conducted in the metal wire and went to my hand and acted in the rods with the energy of my body to create the force that rotate the rod.

So the fact that the pyramid is metal made is consistent: the metal drives the energy coming from the ground and it goes in the metal structure. This is the waveform: energy is flowing trough the material structure and creates interferences, patterns, because I think that this energy vibrates and so there is interference patterns.

But this is only presumptions; let's come back to what i want to tell. You will be able to find a water line; and some energy emerges from the water. What kind of energy? I linked this to Wilhelm Reich's work. He worked about orgone. Orgone is attracted by metal and by water. Water keeps it, stores it and metal attracts it and repels it when in contact, creating a circulating flow. Water is used to store orgone that is attracted by metal in the cloudbuster for instance. When you shake water, orgone emanates from it with strength. The orgone charge from water radiates when not moving but radiates more when moving. So you have underground water and it moves and orgone goes away.

Orgone moves from earth to atmosphere or from atmosphere to earth. There is a potential difference between both and this is the global move of orgone. So when orgone is liberated from underground water is goes moves following potentials, and potentiels are vertical; so energys goes up; and you can detect this energy.

How this energy interferes with the body to make the rods rotating? I don't know exactly. But our body is constituted with about 70% water and we contain orgone, we live in the atmosphere and water inside our cells attract orgone, our body use it. So when we take a rod in hand, orgone that radiates from us (our "aura") goes in it; and orgone coming from the ground go in our body and the too orgone flows create a force. The orgone within my body is attracted by my body (water is a strong absorber of orgone charge) and altough the rod is in metal and drives orgone away, the attraction of orgone by my body is stronger! (if not you die when you put your hand on a metal piece because you loose you orgone energy).

The force doesn't exist without the human body; I tried with wood pole in the ground with rods attached to.

The fact that the wire on the ground acts to make my rods rotating only when out of the water river shows that it is not a direct force from orgone coming from the ground on the rods. It is an action through my body. My presumption about it: the orgone coming from the ground flows to my body and when I get out of this flow, there is some kind of "induction" of this energy: a sudden flow of orgone goes out of my body (that doesn't occur in a static way when I don't move through the river bed), moves to the rods because it is metal and attracts it (this radiating orgone is free to move a little away of my body), and the orgone in my mody has a polarity that attracts this orgone.

We can try another explanation. We don't know. What I want to show is that it is not magic; it is physic but using an energy kind that we did not understand well and that science doesn't know at all.

But Thomas Trawoeger said that you must use a node. A node is not only a water line. A node is a node in the energy coming from the ground. It exists where energy is colliding. When using another tool: Hartmann lobe antenna; you can find what is called the Hartmann grid. I used it too, since I could use the L rods; and it worked too!

The Hartmann grid is energy coming from the ground that is everywhere on the earth, creating a grid pattern. I creates a rectangle pattern on the ground; with Hartmann "walls", because this energy is like a wall of 21cm (interesting when you know that it is the wavelength of hydrogen) thickness vertically. You can notice that wall is vertically extended, and this is a consistency with a vertical orgone potential.


It has an unknown origin, but the fact that it is a regular size (2 meters North to South and 2,50 meters from Est to West) suggests that the origin is located nearby the center of the earth. The fact that the directions depends on the magnetic orientation suggests that it is linked to the origin of magnetism. A central source within earth radiates in all directions and this creates a grid on the earth surface.

This grid is not frozen (because the path of this energy can be deviated, but the source radiates it homogeneously I think): the grid spacing can be greater in countryside and smaller in towns. Other energies circulating on the ground can deviate the energy of this grid. Ancient druids were using minerals (dolmens and menhirs) to deviate the energy from the grid: it attracts and drives this energy. This energy is orgone too for me; radiated from another source.

Reich found that orgone attracts orgone; so when I was talking of polarity of my body previously, it was wrong, only to help seeing what happens: orgone flowing from my body because of an induction is attracted to my body and curves its paths; but the metal rods have a "permeability" for orgone that is high, so orgone wants to stay in the rods and wants to go to my body: rods rotate.

The fact that mineral is attracting orgone is something know to ancients and Thomas Trawoeger uses it too: the gypsum sheets he used are attracting orgone. Minerals absorb orgone, like water. In fact, what happens is that metal frame is attracting very strongly orgone coming from the ground (from the node), and drives it; but metal repels it when orgone is joining metal and this makes orgone flowing and following the potentials when flowing (vertically) and attractors (orgone absorbers); but mineral attracts orgone and orgone radiates from the metal pyramid frame to mineral sheets. The whole surface of the pyramid is full of orgone, with a primer mover: metal frames and accumulating material: mineral sheets. The gravity center of the pyramid is exactly where Thomas trawoeger puts its reactor; it is too the gravity center of the orgone charge accumulated in the mineral (because orgone spreads within the sheets and the frame; but one sheet is missing, so the gravity center is shifted at the opposite of the misssing sheet; the coil capacitor position of Thomas Trawoeger that lays on the frame in front of us in the video, the one with 45° angle must compensate this shifting of orgone charge to balance it and make it be at the center; this helps energy being right in the center of the reactor and increases the output he has).

These sheets are not reflector of the energy; there are like orgone capacitors and frame structure is mover of orgone. Reich made experiments where he used metal pipes to attract orgone from a room and then the end of the pipe was in water that stored this orgone; so he could "suck" orgone from a room.

Now what is important: a water line crosses Hartmann walls. And when is crosses, you can detect that the Hartmann walls deviates, they are curved, there is attraction from orgone energy of the water line and of the Hartmann walls. A node is created. This is a small node. You can have a stronger node with two Hartmann walls crossing at right angle on the river path. This is not a fortuity process that you could find rarely; because orgone attracts orgone and water line deviates Hartmann walls if not too far. So when finding the walls you will see that a node that should be not too far from the river line is ON the water line. This is a major node.

In conclusion, finding a water line is not enough; you must find Hartmann walls and then you will find a node.

I have made many researches and experiments about detecting water lines, Hartmann walls, orgone, and all what I spoke about. This is not word in an empty space but the result of my work and research and I tell it so you can use it.

All what I spoke about I explained it with pictures and videos during the lasts months of my researches; in the forum of my website. So if you want to see what I did, how I found river lines, Hartmann walls, experiments with wire on the ground and experiments I made with orgone etc you can find it and read it on my forums; so you can use it to find out a node that could be used for the pyramid.

I found a major node in my garden and I just finished my 50cm pyramid. I thought that I could use a 1/2 scale of the reactor but unfortunately Thomas Trawoeger told that scaling was not so easy and I must do another pyramid 1 meter. As I won't have time to do it because I leave on holidays in 10 days for several weeks; I just have time to do the reactor for my 50cm pyramid and I will make my 1 meter pyramid when back from holidays.

So I will read your work here to know if you have success. I want to help with my knewledge of energy from the ground; so your pyramid could work!

I am french, and very sorry for my many grammar and syntax english mistakes.

My forums are, unfortunately for you, in french; but with google translator you can have a small idea. But if you have questions about how you can do to find a node, I can answer here in english. I asked to Thomas Trawoeger what kind of node he used: a node with one wall crossing the water line or two walls (North-South and Est-West) crossing the water line in the "community" part of his website. He answered that both are good.


How I found nodes in my garden:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=512&view=findpost&p=19143

All the subject about experiments with energy from the ground:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=512

My pyramid 50cm structure finished:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=734&view=findpost&p=19222

My work about orgone:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=711

I am a scientist, mathematician teacher and physicist (equivalent master in US) and I try to make sense about what we don't know, exploring it. The fact that I search in other ways than classic science ways is not a kind of magic foolish: there is explanations, but we just don't know them. We all are ignorants and only have to admit it to find more...
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 14, 2011, 08:15:48 PM
I have already stated that I am not a believer in water defining , and to go on about it again would only serve a negative purpose which is not my intention . Like my hero , James Randi , I say "show me" . Back to practical matters . If you look at the above post by Passers , look at the link about his 50cm pyramid . The photographs show that pyramid construction can not be as easy as you might think . I built a 1 metre pyramid about 5 years ago . I found it much easier to use angle iron [ L section ] than box section . Mine was welded , but I think it is better if you can take it to pieces to store . One thing you will find , as you see in the photos , is that the plaster board triangle only touch the corner members at the extreme edges , rather than laying flat against the whole surface of the member . So at best , the construction will be a compromise . All you can do is make it as neat and accurate as possible . One thing that is vital is that the base is square and stays square . So even in a foldable version , make the base square frame as a fixed part , welded if possible , or bolted with corner gusset plates . My old V6 went for scrap . If someone replicates I will build another . In fact if I win the lottery , I will have a square house with a pyramid roof .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 14, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
Like my hero , James Randi , I say "show me"

All has been show. I don't only speak of my experiments, all is show on pictures and video (you can also try youtube); but you have professional water finders that you can hire. They not only find the water line but they find the depth. In France, they tell you depth within a 2 meters accuracy; for a water river underground at a depth 60 meters or 80 meters sometimes.

Then a digger digs and for each meter too long to dig the water finder gives money to the one who hired (for 50€) him to pay the digger and it is expansive: 100€ / meter (an error tax) : the water finder not only earn nothing but he pays from his pocket the digger for his client. They have 99% success and that is why they are not bankrupted in paying diggers.

You can see it on many movie reports on TV and you can hire one to test. All has been shown, it is something very common. It is like if you said "waves that cross the air and carry sound, I can't believe. Show me". You just have to buy a radio set...

If you did not show it, then it is because you never tried to, because it is very very common. Once I saw a TV report about it and I said: I will try! Then I tried and my experiments began. Professional can be found in every dowser association. It's easy to find nearby your home; in France you can; in USA I believe too! But if you only say "It can't be so it doesn't exist" and never try to see it, then you will always say "show me" and close your eyes when somebody shows it; so you will never have to admit that it works.

One day, one of my friends said "alien don't exist; and so if someday a UFO lands nearby me, it is an optical illusion; if the alien goes out the UFO and talks to me, it is an optical and accoustic illusion and if he comes to me and shakes my hand, it is an optical, accoustic and feeling illusion". I have nothing to answer to this. If you want not to see, you will never see. He believes something and all what is not in accordance to what he believes he will refute.

I do believe in all possibilities and try to see myself if it is real or not; that is why I build the pyramid and why I made all other researches.

I don't understand why you try to build a pyramid if you don't believe in energy coming from the ground water lines... how do you think the pyramid creates energy miraculously? For me, miracle of electric energy creating itself is foolish; but energy circulation from ground is something acceptable: there is a source. If you just build your pyramid and wait it to work, it never will; TT said to place it over a node. It is the same thing if you build a radio set and never plug it to power source ... you can wait a long time to hear something.

So here when you, creative and technical builders, will have completed the pyramid and the reactor, if you don't mind in finding a node on the ground to place the pyramid over; then it will be the same as the radio set not plugged that could not work. Finding the node should be the first preoccupation, before building the pyramid and reactor.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 15, 2011, 04:38:22 AM
All has been show. I don't only speak of my experiments, all is show on pictures and video (you can also try youtube); but you have professional water finders that you can hire. They not only find the water line but they find the depth. In France, they tell you depth within a 2 meters accuracy; for a water river underground at a depth 60 meters or 80 meters sometimes.

Then a digger digs and for each meter too long to dig the water finder gives money to the one who hired (for 50€) him to pay the digger and it is expansive: 100€ / meter (an error tax) : the water finder not only earn nothing but he pays from his pocket the digger for his client. They have 99% success and that is why they are not bankrupted in paying diggers.

You can see it on many movie reports on TV and you can hire one to test. All has been shown, it is something very common. It is like if you said "waves that cross the air and carry sound, I can't believe. Show me". You just have to buy a radio set...

If you did not show it, then it is because you never tried to, because it is very very common. Once I saw a TV report about it and I said: I will try! Then I tried and my experiments began. Professional can be found in every dowser association. It's easy to find nearby your home; in France you can; in USA I believe too! But if you only say "It can't be so it doesn't exist" and never try to see it, then you will always say "show me" and close your eyes when somebody shows it; so you will never have to admit that it works.

One day, one of my friends said "alien don't exist; and so if someday a UFO lands nearby me, it is an optical illusion; if the alien goes out the UFO and talks to me, it is an optical and accoustic illusion and if he comes to me and shakes my hand, it is an optical, accoustic and feeling illusion". I have nothing to answer to this. If you want not to see, you will never see. He believes something and all what is not in accordance to what he believes he will refute.

I do believe in all possibilities and try to see myself if it is real or not; that is why I build the pyramid and why I made all other researches.

I don't understand why you try to build a pyramid if you don't believe in energy coming from the ground water lines... how do you think the pyramid creates energy miraculously? For me, miracle of electric energy creating itself is foolish; but energy circulation from ground is something acceptable: there is a source. If you just build your pyramid and wait it to work, it never will; TT said to place it over a node. It is the same thing if you build a radio set and never plug it to power source ... you can wait a long time to hear something.

So here when you, creative and technical builders, will have completed the pyramid and the reactor, if you don't mind in finding a node on the ground to place the pyramid over; then it will be the same as the radio set not plugged that could not work. Finding the node should be the first preoccupation, before building the pyramid and reactor.

Good evening Pascuser, Neptune all,

First Pascuser, thank you for your insightful and thoughtful post.  A lot to digest there and think about.

Neptune, you don't have to believe, just observe and do!  I have a hunch you are going to do just fine!

All:   

I had a very good conversation today with Thomas on many aspects of the Pyramid.  We all have a long way to go.  Building the device is part art, part science, and I must say an absolute non-deviation from his video instructions in the minutest details in the construction of the REACTOR, there appears to be more leeway in construction of the capacitor but the reactor is an absolute at least for the start.  There are a lot of big things to do right and there are a lot of very little things that must be done to make it work also!  All these will come out as we continue our build.  My goal is to build a working 1 meter pyramid and that I will do. 

One question answered in using High Voltage for the electrification or orientation energy for the sand particles.  USE AC not more than 5KV.
Do not use DC at least not now.  I do not know the absolute variables as to minimum voltage as of now but the maximum is stated,  that is a start.

A lot more to follow as I learn more myself and test it in a real world application!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 15, 2011, 01:15:20 PM
@Pascuser . Thanks for your long reply .However , I think you misunderstand me . When I say "show me " , that is exactly what I mean . I AM WILLING TO BE SHOWN . In we life we have to base our beliefs on experience . If we just accept and believe everything we are told , our lives would soon become impossible . We would spend all day stepping over fairies and reading horoscopes . I still find it incredible that no diviner has taken Randi`s $1000, 000 prize .When i built a pyramid , 5 years ago , TT made no mention of divining .
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ? Diviners claim to be able to do many things beside find water . Some claim to be able to find the bodies of missing persons , but I have yet to read about a case where it happened .OK I have already said too much . No one could be happier than me to see a working replica , so please respect that I will wait to be shown .
@K4ZEP .That info about the high voltage is much appreciated .Good luck with your work , and I look forward to your results .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 15, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
@Pascuser . Thanks for your long reply .However , I think you misunderstand me . When I say "show me " , that is exactly what I mean . I AM WILLING TO BE SHOWN . In we life we have to base our beliefs on experience . If we just accept and believe everything we are told , our lives would soon become impossible . We would spend all day stepping over fairies and reading horoscopes . I still find it incredible that no diviner has taken Randi`s $1000, 000 prize .When i built a pyramid , 5 years ago , TT made no mention of divining .
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ? Diviners claim to be able to do many things beside find water . Some claim to be able to find the bodies of missing persons , but I have yet to read about a case where it happened .OK I have already said too much . No one could be happier than me to see a working replica , so please respect that I will wait to be shown .
@K4ZEP .That info about the high voltage is much appreciated .Good luck with your work , and I look forward to your results .

Good morning Neptune. 

I'm a show me type of person too.  OF course, a good stage magician can show me anything he wants to and it is believable.  A bit of healthy skepticism is good and keeps us on a level keel. 

Thomas has been absolutely open with me, answers any of my questions in a straightforward manner and I feel wants verification by others to validate his work.  I am retired, not rich but unless the politicians totally screw up our country (USA) and or my wife and I have a catastrophic illness will be OK till we give it all to the kids when we kick the bucket.  The free energy quest is an outlet for my creative inner self, keeps me alert and alive.  The money I spend on "stuff" makes my wife huff and puff but then I remind her of her "little" expenditures and we laugh and realize how good life is!

My wire arrived yesterday but I have a road trip to IKEA with wife and sister-in-law today so not much will get done as those women and their shopping wear me out as I'm the official driver and donkey to move stuff back to the car!  Tomorrow is another day.  As Thomas is going to send me the copper/brass parts for the reactor along with wire to expedite getting a pyramid up and running, the reactor I am working on will be a secondary effort in "inch" material in my quest.  As I said before, it is the LITTLE things that are important, I'll try to discuss this more as time goes by and have hands on experience to verify everything.

To add further confusion to the process.  My #14 THHN wire is only 2.58 mm in diameter and my "new" #16 TF is 2.84 mm in diameter, as it is 600V wire, it's insulation is thicker!  So I'm going backwards.

Just for reference,   My small 3/8"  tube is 12.65 mm in diameter outside and 10.53 mm diameter on the inside.
                             My large  1 1/4" tube is 34.92 mm in diameter outside and 32.84 mm diameter on the inside.

That's all for today.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 15, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ?

No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000€ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000€. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 15, 2011, 03:15:47 PM
No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000€ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000€. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.

Hi All

All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.  So just hang loose, my world is not made in a day or a 30 min TV show.  It takes time to do this right.  I will also say that I will clear all of the above processes with Thomas before I make them public.  I don't want to waste my and others time beating a horse to make it run faster till it can!

Respectfully
Ben  K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 15, 2011, 03:50:27 PM
The purpose of this thread is the TT pyramid replication . I feel a bit guilty about taking up space with my non technical stuff . I hope that the moderator will delete my non technical posts if he thinks best . I have to admit that I have not read all of James Randi`s conditions . One problem I have with water divining is that it is not an easy thing to test . It is all very well for some guy to say "There is an underground river 80 metres below this point ." No one is going to dig 80 metres just to prove him right or wrong . If I am told that there are professional diviners making a good living , I have to believe you unless I can prove otherwise . You have never lied to me before . To me there is an important distinction to be made between the subjective and the objective . It is one thing to say "My pyramid produces 20 watts ." It is a different thing to say " if I sit inside my pyramid , I get a feeling of euphoria and spiritual enlightenment ."
      Too many of the worlds problems come from people believing what they are told without question . For example there are 2,557 religions practised on this planet . Every one of them claims to be the one true religion . 2,556 of them have to be wrong , and I have serious doubts about the other one . I am always willing to suspend my disbelief until a case has been proven to my satisfaction . It is my nature to show respect for people who do not share my beliefs . I am also an optimist , as any Free energy seeker must be . So let us all work together towards our common goal , and continue to treat each other with respect.When I see a working replica , I am quite willing to wander the local fields with a forked stick .But I want to see Watts , not whimsical notions .Again I say that I really am willing to be shown .Yours in Hope Respect and Optimism , neptune .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 15, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.

Patience is the main word in this kind of work.

I went all the afternoon in 7 different shops: 4 do-it-yourself shops and 3 specialized shop for plumbing and I couldn't find the adapter for the inner copper tube 10mm external diameter and the other assuming it is 20mm internal diameter and 22mm external (there is a problem about this specification where information is contradictory, see later).

I could do the same adapter than Thomas with 3 different adapters assembled together; but this modifies the length of the adapter. So, as the distance between the two drills on the 10mm copper tube is what is important (and this distance depends on adapters length), I can't replicate this distance with 10mm spacing one side and 25mm spacing on the other side of the 29cm long tube; because my adapters have not the same length.

So it could be important to know this distance. And to avoid all these kind of troubles to be able to think ourselves how to dispose things it would be important to know the exact size of all pieces and placements (some are lacking).

The contradictory information is the following:
Concerning the outer copper tube of the reactor:

Video part 2 on 13 (youtube channel) ; time 01:13 TT says:
"the diameter is 29 - 30 mm"

Video part 6 on 13 (youtube channel); time 10:58 TT says:
"we have the 20mm you know and we have the double dimensions on the plastic tube"
the 20mm you point with your finger is the same outer copper tube that is said to be 29-30mm. The plastic tube TT measured is 40mm according his measurement; so 40mm is the double of 20mm but is the copper tube 20mm or 30mm?

So what's the correct size?

So we see that, as dimensions are critical (Thomas said that he couldn't replicate his effect with differrent measurements) we have to know all the dimensions. Inner and outer size of each cylinders, copper or plastic, position of drills, length of adapters pieces, etc.

As he did not do it and we can't replicate without knowing it, could you k4zep, when you will have received his reactor, measure it and tell us the dimensions so we can do it too? It would help. It should be better to have a ruler in centimeter to compare to what Thomas announced for some measurements he gave us and because pieces are accurate in exact measures in centimeters norm.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 15, 2011, 08:26:45 PM
@Pascuser. I am sure that Ben will give us the measurements when he gets the parts . I would say that the large copper tube is definitely 29-30 mm because you can tell this just by comparing it to the plastic tube on the video . Also on video number two , compare it to the small 10 mm tube . It is obviously about 3 times bigger rather than 2 times . If you can not get adapters of the correct length or diameter , you may need to find someone with a lathe to modify them . I hope this helps .
     Another thought I had . The walls of the pyramid do not just act as a reflector . If they did , then the reactor would still work  with different sizes of pyramid , just as you can use a bigger satelite dish with the same LNB[ the bit that sits at the focal point} I think that the inside of the pyramid acts as a resonant cavity , and the size of the reactor has to match the resonant frequency of this cavity . Just a theory .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 15, 2011, 08:59:01 PM
@neptune
Thanks for your informations. I yet noticed the same thing in a previous pots: capacitor and coil are in my mind tuned to a frequency that is characteristic of the pyramid size. So I will calculate mine to have a product LxC that will be half of the one Thomas had. To calculate this I need all measurements (wire diameter, insulation diameter, I can find the dielectric material, etc) to adapt to a small scale.

Another thing to measure: the wire. Thomas said it is 1.5mm diameter but the only thing I can find everywhere is 1.5mm², this is a surface and not the same. We have 1.5mm² or 2.5mm² in all shops for lectric wire, with a single wire.

So I suggest that it is 1.5mm² and not 1.5mm in diameter. Then if it is the case, you have a wire diameter with insulation of 2.5mm (I measured it in various shops for 1.5mm² copper wire inside).
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 15, 2011, 09:42:23 PM
It is obvious that Thomas went to a lot of trouble to make videos . But it is almost impossible to make 3 hours of video without slight mistakes , or leaving something out . It is a good thing we have Ben , who in time will resolve all the very small details . If we draw the wiring diagram as a schematic , it can be seen that the inner and outer reactor coils are in series [most likely series adding ] and the copper tubes and sand cause it to have increased self capacitance . The capacitor [which consists of a sort of bifilar coil ] is connected in parallel with the reactor coils . So the whole thing becomes a parallel tuned circuit . What would be very useful if someone who gets a reactor built to close specification could measure its resonant frequency with a Grid dip oscillator , or a scope and signal generator . Also , on his website Thomas says he he will give a formula to calculate the reactor for other pyramid sizes . I am not sure if he has shown it yet , but we know it exists .I would guess that the resonant frequency of the reactor is between 10 and 20 Mhz.That is just a guess.A Rough estimation of the wire diameter measured to include the insulation . Looking at the video , we know the distance on the inner copper tube between the 2 holes , and we know the number of turns . Simple mathematics .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 15, 2011, 10:29:53 PM
Looking at the video , we know the distance on the inner copper tube between the 2 holes , and we know the number of turns . Simple mathematics .

I can't have this distance; only and idea approximately. About 27cm I think with videos, but nothing exact.

Thomas gave much and I don't criticize at all, he did a great work. There is some small lacks to have an identical replication.

Thomas said calculations formulae would be given but as he said he had to test it; so he hasn't it yet. And with the bad news of non working adaptation with US norm tells us that these formulas doesn't yet exist. It's research and everything can't be given like on a plate. This seems normal; and one times more i don't criticize. But if we can have precise measurements; and the resonant frequency as you suggest it would help to make our work with it too!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 15, 2011, 10:47:28 PM
hi all

please excuse the following 'damn fool' questions - i have a quota of them to fulfill, so i can justify my position as resident damn fool

has anybody asked to see, on video, a clearly-derived scope trace and  DVM reading of the unloaded and then resistive-loaded o/p voltage from this Giza?

if not, what convincing argument is produced to explain why these are not forthcoming?

seriously now, this is not a criticism - it is a valid technical query

if this data exists, could someone please provide a link?

many thanks
np


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Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 15, 2011, 11:04:53 PM
@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace . Little info is given about it , at least in English . A trace of
the machine unloaded is unlikely as Thomas says that disconnecting the motor  will kill the effect and necessitate re electrifying the sand .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 15, 2011, 11:09:36 PM
@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace
[...]

thanks Mr N!  i'll go and have a look
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 16, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
 
@nul-points . If you go on youtube and search for TT`s channel [nanotec99`s channel] and look through the videos , there is one of an oscilloscope trace
[...]
A trace of the machine unloaded is unlikely as Thomas says that disconnecting the motor  will kill the effect and necessitate re electrifying the sand .



the fan and the car lamp, shown as loads powered by the 'reactor' in tutorial video #13, are both presumably 12V DC parts?


i'm guessing that you don't get to be a licensed Radio Ham without knowing a thing or two about constructing and testing electronic equipment

so i find myself asking 'why is the inventor just showing us a scope trace of decayed ringing which occurs after a pulse?'

he doesn't show the pulse - he doesn't show the DC supply voltage offset on which the ringing occurs

he must certainly know exactly what he is, and what he isn't, showing us - i find that fact more interesting than the scope trace


also, there must have been a point in the setup just before the fan was connected?  i would have thought that would be a suitable point to show the o/p state of the 'reactor'?

or is the inventor saying that the fan must be connected whilst the 'reactor' gets charged up? 


don't break any coathangers in half, yet, Mr Neptune!

np


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Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 16, 2011, 03:59:39 AM
Hi All,

There are not any damn fool questions, only damn fool answers.  I have a lot of questions too but I'm going to follow the build by rote
method and when I get some output, I'll damn sure measure it and know exactly what it is pronto.  I know there is a pack of questions about inductance, AC, DC, purpose and specifications of exciter motor, that single scope shot, tuned cavity vs. resonant reactor, DC from an AC circuit with NO rectification, size, turns, length, etc.  I'll try and find out the answers, when I'm sure, I'll speak.  I am NOT going to spew forth what I think about it as we all have our pet theories.  I will show what is real and exact when I can.  Anyone else doing this I hope will do the same.  I know we have some excellent engineers, technicians, builders both mechanical and electronic out there on this and other list.  There are some I know more competent than myself, but I hope I can provide the "spark", and a small bit of guidance to keep the "herd" all going in the right direction with the artist and builder Thomas. 

Again, folks, be patient, I just didn't have time to do any work on it today except to find out my #16 TW wire was too large and only allowed me 77 turns on a trial inner tubing. I also ordered a couple more things on Ebay for shop stock.   I to have ask myself EVERY question I have see and heard (and a few more) since the list started.  None of the questions are without merit but ALL IN DUE TIME.  The only questions I will ask of Thomas is pertaining on HOW to build it to keep this the give and take to a reasonable level.  That is the first step.  Later we can develop a model as to HOW and possibly WHY it works when we have one or more working units. 

I have the worlds smallest but well equipped shop. Between the closet where I think and work, the desk where I "talk" to all of you and the storeroom where I keep equipment not in use, I have most everything covered.  Years of scrounging, buying off Ebay for pennies on the dollar have come to this.  The shop scope is an excellent FLUKE PM3394B, a few years old but a damn good 4 channel scope. Assorted pulse/waveform generators, power supplies, drawers of meters, HV probes, HV power supplies AC and DC, list goes on and on. WHEN I get measurable output, I will buy a portable battery operated scope to look at the isolated output real time and will also buy whatever else it takes to document and understand the process. 

A mechanic is only as good as his tools and an inquisitive experimenter is only as good as his tools and his abilities to use them after a certain point.  The most important tool is the brain and using it in a constructive manner.  Think, Think, Think. What ever it takes, it will be done.  IF I don't know the answer to what I see, I'll either put a video up on YouTube or a series of pictures here for all to analyze.  In the arena we are working, many inquisitive and constructive thinking heads are better than one.   

Just remember, this technology is thousands of years old.   Unlocking old technology and the secrets of the past is a painstaking business of electronic/electrical archeology and the last thing we want to do is get sidetracked on a basic error in theory or understanding.    So I guess I must crawl before I walk.  All I ask is that we do this together.  At some point, I expect to see the younger, brighter and more mental nimble than myself to get up and run away with it!!!  Then my job will be finished!

Remember, it is easy to "speak" with authority, but to show why your have the authority to speak  is  much more difficult!

That is all.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 16, 2011, 09:43:34 AM
 
[...]
 that single scope shot
[...]
DC from an AC circuit with NO rectification
[...]
The most important tool is the brain and using it in a constructive manner.  Think, Think, Think
[..]
In the arena we are working, many inquisitive and constructive thinking heads are better than one.   
[...]
the last thing we want to do is get sidetracked on a basic error in theory or understanding
[...]
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP


hi Ben

i'm glad that you're to be the one who champions this for the thread because i know that you have the right mix of construction ability, experience - and doggedness!  :)

you remember we discussed your findings when you added the gen coil/FWBR/cap o/p from your MD rep to the PSU?  i was just thinking about that again, before i saw your latest post here, i feel that test you did was very important, and i'm trying to think around it and see if there's more we can learn from it, to help us all move forward


so i hope you will respect my concerns about the only scope trace i've seen so far on the Pyramid device

is that video which shows the scope trace the basis for saying that the o/p is AC?  or is there some other evidence?

you mention 'single' scope shot - did you mean the video as a whole, or is there a single photo somewhere?  please link, if the latter

you see, my concern is that the scope is not showing the WHOLE picture - what i see there is the 'ringing' part of a trace, immediately following a pulse

in fact, sometimes the scope trigger just catches more of the pulse (but not the whole) and you can see briefly a larger pk-pk (but narrower) damped wave at the LHS of the display

i don't believe that the scope is 'zoomed out' enough on the full waveform to show either the pulse, or the DC level on which the subsequent ringing sits

my concern is that the inventor must know this - and yet, unless you know different, this seems to be the only data we're being shown - why?

an AC signal can certainly be present - and useful - in some systems, even if there's no explicit rectification circuitry, but my strong feeling from seeing that trace is that the AC we're seeing there is superimposed on a DC component

it's not unreasonable FOR US to ask for a clear picture of what WE are being asked to accept - and recreate

it could be just a misunderstanding that we don't yet have a better picture of important features

but if the inventor persists in allowing ambiguous, or incomplete, information to remain, THEN my alarm bells start to ring!

i really hope that there IS more - and clearer - info available, OR that the inventor will provide such

hopefully you'll be able to put my mind at ease!  :)

you're doing a great job, as always - keep it up!
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 16, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
@all:
Oh Lord... Please to all, calm down, and save the space here for useful comments!
I don´t want to create some kind of religion here, because we have plenty of them (and maybe there is some useful religion out there)

Well, I want so say it clear: I am not the well donated Scientist, I am a fully normal Guy and I made all my experiments in a manner of "Try and Error"
That´s why I am not the best in Explaining of Functions, and I am not the inventor of Scopes, I am the amateur User.

That´s why I can´t serve you all the Details on the golden Dish, and that´s why I am on such Forums like this.
(I am here to find answers and partners wich can give this)

I dont want to create some partys between believers and non- believers, and I don´t want to animate anybody to invest in building a Pyramide.

Now I had personal Contact to Ben K4ZEP and we will make this Project now to proof the basic Function.
On the other Side, FREIGEIST in Germany received my first Parts (reactor) and i hope to get som results in near time.
Next week, i can send my package to Ben, and I will guide him till the moment, we can proof the System in FL too.

After this is done, we can discuss whole nights to increase the Harvest, but now, we have to do our Basics.

That means, Now it is not useful to speak about the function-principe, now it´s useful NOT to nerve the two constructors in germany and FL  ::)  (Sorry Ben, I told you, it will not become easy, to be the Guy in US...)

Both constructors will give you all proven results from they own hands, and then you can do with this work, whatever you want to do.
But I think nobody will keep anybody by hand as a small child.

"If you want to win a war, you have to think about your risk"
Nice greetings, Tom

PS. Yes I am a HAM, but to become a HAM you have not to study Electronic or Physics ( in this case, HAM´s would be extinct)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 16, 2011, 12:44:28 PM
Maybe it is time for someone with better computer skills than me to start a general discussion thread , and leave this thread strictly for technical stuff .That will take pressure away from the people who matter . I think Thomas might agree , that while a Ham license is not a degree in Physics , it does show a basic understanding of electronics and circuits .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on July 16, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
@all:
Oh Lord... Please to all, calm down, and save the space here for useful comments!
I don´t want to create some kind of religion here, because we have plenty of them (and maybe there is some useful religion out there)

Well, I want so say it clear: I am not the well donated Scientist, I am a fully normal Guy and I made all my experiments in a manner of "Try and Error"
That´s why I am not the best in Explaining of Functions, and I am not the inventor of Scopes, I am the amateur User.

That´s why I can´t serve you all the Details on the golden Dish, and that´s why I am on such Forums like this.
(I am here to find answers and partners wich can give this)

I dont want to create some partys between believers and non- believers, and I don´t want to animate anybody to invest in building a Pyramide.

Now I had personal Contact to Ben K4ZEP and we will make this Project now to proof the basic Function.
On the other Side, FREIGEIST in Germany received my first Parts (reactor) and i hope to get som results in near time.
Next week, i can send my package to Ben, and I will guide him till the moment, we can proof the System in FL too.

After this is done, we can discuss whole nights to increase the Harvest, but now, we have to do our Basics.

That means, Now it is not useful to speak about the function-principe, now it´s useful NOT to nerve the two constructors in germany and FL  ::)  (Sorry Ben, I told you, it will not become easy, to be the Guy in US...)

Both constructors will give you all proven results from they own hands, and then you can do with this work, whatever you want to do.
But I think nobody will keep anybody by hand as a small child.

"If you want to win a war, you have to think about your risk"
Nice greetings, Tom

PS. Yes I am a HAM, but to become a HAM you have not to study Electronic or Physics ( in this case, HAM´s would be extinct)

Thomas, just 2 simple questions and i need a simple answer,
if you are a Ham operator,  did you check if your pyramid works in a faraday cage?  or did you try to switch off your houses electricity inlcuding your ham equipment? if you havent it might well be the case that you have not took this to account,   because i made LC coils  which drew  energy inside the house from the mains, i could light little lamps and run little motors with it,   i had to ask this question as you have not said anything about this.
Thank you friend
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 16, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Thomas, just 2 simple questions and i need a simple answer,
if you are a Ham operator,  did you check if your pyramid works in a faraday cage?  or did you try to switch off your houses electricity inlcuding your ham equipment? if you havent it might well be the case that you have not took this to account,   because i made LC coils  which drew  energy inside the house from the mains, i could light little lamps and run little motors with it,   i had to ask this question as you have not said anything about this.
Thank you friend

Good Morning Energia,

I doubt very seriously that Thomas has a Faraday cage or one he can transport, set up and test over one of the working locations without an immense amount of time and money and work.  Cages that size where he can work inside are HEAVY, bulky, expensive, etc.  I know, I worked in one off and on over the years in VHF radio repair work and calibration.   External or internal to the the reactor, it would not appear we are working with conventional RF waves, just my opinion based on NOTHING yet. 

In our conversations, he has mentioned that it does work outside.  Remember in the video, at the very end he showed a 20-30 watt load on the pyramid.  In my past experience I have never recovered that amount of energy from ground currents or ambient RF around me.  That was the "hook" that pulled me in......Oh, switching off the house electric is a good test if you like working in the dark and working with a flashlight and is a viable question. It would be a pain, resetting the clocks, the microwave, the TV's, DVR's, etc., but all for science, right?   Please just be patient, I won't forget any of these questions and when we get a working unit, I'll try and test each and every question......I can't speak for Thomas, if he wants to answer the questions, that is his concern.  FIRST, let us get a working unit, then we can try to understand the process as to how it works!!!!  Remember Thomas Edison tried approximately 1000 different materials to get a working lamp, and they said he was a genius!  What Tesla said was probably not quotable.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on July 16, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
Hi Ben,
nice replication work so far.

Have you already located a water leyline near where you live ?

Some folks on the german overunity.de forum said it would probably
work on the RF frequencies that come out of the earth at these places from some kind
of corona discharges...
So it would be required to tune to the exact resonance frequency.
So it would be also interesting to test to use instead of the bifilar capacitor coil
to use a variable capacitor, so you could tune it much more easily or
add this at the end of the coil, so you can change the capacity on the fly.

Looking forward to your replications results.

Good luck and happy greeting from Norway from my vaccation.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hartiberlin

for some inspiration from nature ... ;)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 16, 2011, 06:37:36 PM
Hi Ben,
nice replication work so far.

Have you already located a water leyline near where you live ?

Some folks on the german overunity.de forum said it would probably
work on the RF frequencies that come out of the earth at these places from some kind
of corona discharges...
So it would be required to tune to the exact resonance frequency.
So it would be also interesting to test to use instead of the bifilar capacitor coil
to use a variable capacitor, so you could tune it much more easily or
add this at the end of the coil, so you can change the capacity on the fly.

Looking forward to your replications results.

Good luck and happy greeting from Norway from my vaccation.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hartiberlin

for some inspiration from nature ... ;)

Thanks Stephan,

What a beautiful country you are visiting and what stunning photographs!!!!  Continue on and enjoy.

Thanks for your uptake on the theory of operation.  I will keep it in mind.  In theory a easily tunable circuit via a capacitor would be
a good idea, whether it would work or not based on what is going on is another question.  We will find out soon enough.  I have lots of
variable caps, etc. 

I hope to talk to Thomas again Monday morning my time, Monday afternoon his time.  Will concentrate on the construction of the
portable (if that is possible) Pyramid for now until his parts arrive. 

What a great adventure we are on!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 16, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
I have started a new thread called "Background Discussion of TT`s pyramid " for any general chat , so as to keep this thread for purely technical discussion .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 16, 2011, 07:37:59 PM
Hello,
 I'd like to present my replica of the pyramid of Thomas.
 I would like to thank their particular effort by Thomas to make a video and explain it in English.
I have no clear some points
 the setting of the pyramid. ???
For example: the orientation of the pyramid north - south
If the pyramid is oriented on a north-south diagonal,
 where it is "capacitor" and the reactor?left or right of this diagonal

How to Finding the intersection of Hartman's network?
For now, no positive result.
Local pyramid at random, but I hardly had the luck of Thomas fell to the required point.  :(
sorry for my English

p.s.a teaser ... top of the pyramid like "Ankh"



Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 16, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
I think your orientation is wrong . The "capacitor "should be on the North South line  . So as you look into the open side of the pyramid , The side of the base on your right , and the side of the base on your left should both be parallel to the North south line of your compass .Very impressive work.Did you check that you got a few millivolts before installing the reactor in the pyramid ?What method did you use to fill the sand , was it high frequency [ Radio waves] or high voltage . If it was high voltage , did you use DC ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 16, 2011, 09:38:37 PM
Did you check that you got a few millivolts before installing the reactor in the pyramid ?What method did you use to fill the sand , was it high frequency [ Radio waves] or high voltage . If it was high voltage , did you use DC ?
Thanks neptune,
yes, I got 3,9 volt AC
I use high voltave - 3000 volt 32 kHz
Tesla transformator and spark gap
The secondary of the Tesla coil is included between the pipe and
winding.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 16, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
How to Finding the intersection of Hartman's network?
For now, no positive result.

Very impressive work; very beautiful pyramid. I wish mine be as beautiful.

To help you finding yourself your water lines and Hartmann lines so you can put your pyramid on a node:

Detecting water line:

1) How you can use L rods to find a point above an underground water line, amateur work (you usually don't keep rods in your hands like him but it worked):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeRCcFB66fU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeRCcFB66fU)

2) And now a lesson: how to use rods, how to carry them in the hands, and how you can trace a water line with it and finding depth of water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_zsLyBr920 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_zsLyBr920)

3) How to build your own L rods cheaply:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6moIY3pjA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6moIY3pjA)

Detecting Hartmann lines:

I did not find anything valuable in english but I have a good website in french. I give here links for an automatic translation with google translation (poor quality but you could understand something):

1) Prepare the work:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conscienceverte.fr%2Fa-la-preparation-2-90.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conscienceverte.fr%2Fa-la-preparation-2-90.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

2) East-West detection: use previous link in the left menu (section B)

3) North-South detection:  use previous link in the left menu (section C)

4) My work in my garden: a practical demonstration of use

The water line I detected: each red painted wood on the ground is a measurement point; where my L-rods cross: the painted side of the wood is put on my right when I walk. I made 4 measurements walking in East-West and 4 in the reversal way West-East and so there is 8 measurements points each time. The big wood rod is put in the ground in the middle of the points each time to have an average. It is pretty accurate:
http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107031239531203828416933.jpg (http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107031239531203828416933.jpg)

Now I searched for the Hartmann lines:
http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107031239591203828416935.jpg (http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107031239591203828416935.jpg)

The wood rods in the garden are the water line detected with L-rods
The small woods with red painting are put on the ground each time my lobe antenna rotated (100 measurements done) to find Hartmann lines.

I have a node where Hartmann lines crosses the water line, I marked it with a cross on the ground.
Anybody (almost anybody, some people seem not being able, but few) can do that.

A schematic of my garden findings: in green you have hartmann lines and in blue you have the water line and nodes are pointed with a cross: main node in water line and secondary nodes: only Hartmann lines crossing:
http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107030151061203828417138.jpg (http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/07/03//1107030151061203828417138.jpg)

You can build yourself a lobe antenna with a brass heavy wire.

Now you can do it yourself!

But if you want somebody having powerful capacities to find a powerfull source of emission(because when you find a node it has a strength, depending on the strength of the water line); you should hire a professional dowser. They use their tool in another way than I do: they use them to ask questions. I don't understand how it works, but it does.

Here what a professional can do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrrN6UYZj38&feature=relmfu

Thomas used profesionnal dowser to find the nodes for him and used many to compare results and used powerfull nodes that every dowser found.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 17, 2011, 08:03:04 AM
All,

Read this link and know it well.  It will become useful when you set up your Pyramid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination

In one of his videos, Thomas mentioned his pyramid was about 2.5 degrees offset from magnetic north for best output. 

The question of orientation of the pyramid is as NP said, the back of the three sided pyramid should FACE N +/- a few degrees
based on the composition of the earth beneath the pyramid (just a theory right now) when I can test it, I will know for sure.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 17, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
[...]
...orientation of the pyramid is as NP said...
[...]
Ben K4ZEP

i'd like to take the credit...  but i think it was Neptune!  :)
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 17, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
  I find that when the pyramid is inside the house, or garage, it can be off by a couple of degrees from Magnetic north, due to the metal re-bar in my walls, the metal roof, and metal reinforcements in the floor.  There can also be other reasons for the differences of a couple of degrees.
   I agree that the best place to put the pyramid is on a node, outside of the house.  I am also a dowser, and can find those points, but please explain what are the other lines that are mentioned before.
   There is a lot of information about pyramid related topics in the Pyramid Thread in the Energetic Forum posts.  If you find it by searching for it, in their search bar. I don't want to confuse the purpose of this thread, as this is for builders instead of talkers,
like me.
   
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 17, 2011, 07:26:31 PM
@K4ZEP: Thanks for your work.We will see us Monday afternoon (my time) to discuss all the following steps.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 17, 2011, 07:31:14 PM
@madsatbg: YOU ARE THE GUY!
Isaw something  very interesting in your Post what shows me,that you have a working pyramide in principe!
Now you have to find that damned Node to show all  some harvest.
Thank you man, i will guide your work too...
ng, Tom

PS. The Capacitor should look N-S too ( not in a 90 degree angle to N/S)
I know your pyramide willproduce, because you did the right job while informing the reactor!!!!!!

It starts to get nice for me....
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 17, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
@all:
I am uploading mynew vid´s TPP OUTDOOR fun (Part 1 and part 2)
Part 1 is still available, Part 2 is uploading now!

Next week i make a special tutorial how to turn the V12 outside in correct way.
(This could be a little tricky,and you will see it on Video)
ng, Tom

PS. Sorryfor opening 3 answers, but my netbook isn´t the right thing for this job :-)
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 17, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
@all:
I am uploading mynew vid´s TPP OUTDOOR fun (Part 1 and part 2)
Part 1 is still available, Part 2 is uploading now!

Next week i make a special tutorial how to turn the V12 outside in correct way.
(This could be a little tricky,and you will see it on Video)
ng, Tom

PS. Sorryfor opening 3 answers, but my netbook isn´t the right thing for this job :-)

Good evening Thomas,

I watched your outdoor demo.  Very good.  Most impressive the output with the 540 motor loaded down to 15-18 watts input and low voltage drop on "Reactor".   Look forward to discussion tomorrow.  Will have the circuit we discussed ready then.

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 18, 2011, 08:19:12 AM
@ Pascuser,
 thanks for the comprehensive and visual description of the demand for network Hartman and finding Node

 @ k4zep,
 I wish you shortly to launch its pyramid and be able to share more experience.

 @ Trawoeger,
 Thanks for the encouraging words.
 Congratulations to experience outdoor
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on July 18, 2011, 04:14:19 PM
@all:
I am uploading mynew vid´s TPP OUTDOOR fun (Part 1 and part 2)
Part 1 is still available, Part 2 is uploading now!

Next week i make a special tutorial how to turn the V12 outside in correct way.
(This could be a little tricky,and you will see it on Video)
ng, Tom

PS. Sorryfor opening 3 answers, but my netbook isn´t the right thing for this job :-)

Trawoeger this video was far enough to convince me.  thank you for posting this information to public,   now i can clearly see it, i believe this is just a small fraction of power that can be withdrawn from who knows where..  you need a special award , you are 1 of the very few people who succesfully shared a working machine while many others wanted big money for it from big corporations. I believe this technology can be developed further to make usable power not just on earth but in the air too.  perhaps you have just reengineered 1 of the most basic principles of UFO technology.

Thank you
Energia
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 19, 2011, 04:33:46 AM
Hi Gang,

I had a very productive talk with Thomas this morning that cleared up all the questions
I had about the unit.  It was just a bunch of small things that I had to clarify from the video
but nothing that wasn't already shown in his series of videos.

Spend all day working on Reactor, trying to solve an engineering problem.........will have to make it.
Tomorrow will load and charge and see if I have a working unit or not.  IF it shows signs
of life, will show pictures of it.  Luck to all the others that are working on this device!.

With the size of the wire (#16 TW), I had a hell of a time getting the 87 turns specified by Thomas on the central core but
I finally got it in with no shorts, etc!  Have to wind the matching 87 turn coil on the outside form but that can wait till
I see if the main reactor shows signs of life after the charge procedure.  I'm going to use about 7.5KV AC to charge it.
Slowly we are getting there.  I expect others will finish and have a operating unit before I do, not to worry,
this is a very personal challenge.   I just want to see that 10 watt light bulb light and/or that motor run!  It will make my
decade!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on July 19, 2011, 11:18:39 AM
peter markovich 1977,   the connections seem to be very very similar. 
can someone ask trawoeger if he has copied from this guy because the connections seem to be nearly the same and the setup is 90% the same.
this guy drew 500 watts woooooww!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 19, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
With the size of the wire (#16 TW), I had a hell of a time getting the 87 turns specified by Thomas on the central core but
I finally got it in with no shorts, etc!  Have to wind the matching 87 turn coil on the outside form but that can wait till

Hi K4zep

Good luck!
Why did you wind 87 turns and not 97 turns like he said in his videos? (is it the same dimensions for the reactor you designed?)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 19, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
Hi K4zep

Good luck!
Why did you wind 87 turns and not 97 turns like he said in his videos? (is it the same dimensions for the reactor you designed?)
Good Morning Pascuser,

In part 3 of the video he did say 97 to 105 turns.  Yesterday, in conversation with him he said 87 turns.  I am awaiting clarification.  I only wish I could talk so well in German as he does in English!.  I think  both numbers might work if the outer coil matches the inner coil with resultant difference in voltage and current but again, just a WAG theory right now.  Right now my test coil has 87 turns.  I suspect my coil will be a lower voltage, higher current unit.  Again this is my first try with a reactor using "Inch" sized parts.  Mostly a exercise in how to do it while awaiting parts from Thomas.

One other thing I cleared up yesterday is the question of the small fan that he uses when he starts the reactor up.  It is a STANDARD
12 VDC computer/ventilation fan.  Nothing more nothing less.  Not a critical part but I didn't know the specifications on it.  He did say not to use a 5VDC fan as it would likely burn up when the reactor kicks in. 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ElectricGoose on July 19, 2011, 02:41:46 PM
Good Morning Pascuser,

In part 3 of the video he did say 97 to 105 turns.  Yesterday, in conversation with him he said 87 turns.  I am awaiting clarification.  I only wish I could talk so well in German as he does in English!.  I think  both numbers might work if the outer coil matches the inner coil with resultant difference in voltage and current but again, just a WAG theory right now.  Right now my test coil has 87 turns.  I suspect my coil will be a lower voltage, higher current unit.  Again this is my first try with a reactor using "Inch" sized parts.  Mostly a exercise in how to do it while awaiting parts from Thomas.

One other thing I cleared up yesterday is the question of the small fan that he uses when he starts the reactor up.  It is a STANDARD
12 VDC computer/ventilation fan.  Nothing more nothing less.  Not a critical part but I didn't know the specifications on it.  He did say not to use a 5VDC fan as it would likely burn up when the reactor kicks in. 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

Ben

I was not going to say anything but the 87/97 turn discrepency isn't the only thing twisting in the wind here.

As you say, the number of turns does NOT matter and will only effect output.

However,  I have held my tongue until now on something else... but you might want to ask Thomas....is he 100% sure it is AC you apply to the reactor?????  That just doesnt make sense. 

1)  Thomas himself said in the video "HOT (+) to centre and Neg (-) to outer.  Thats more than likely DC!!
2)  Besides...If you want to align the polarity of ANYTHING (essentailly making a free energy tuned electret)....AC would be useless! 

But hey....if it's AC and it works...then so be it!

Just trying to save you some work.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 19, 2011, 02:56:15 PM
1)  Thomas himself said in the video "HOT (+) to centre and Neg (-) to outer.  Thats more than likely DC!!

I yet worked with high frequency systems. Hot wire is the signal wire and the mass is the zero potentiel wire. Hot wire is + then - compared to mass that remains always 0.
Hot wire does not mean at all that it is + and mass is -.

The output of a CB transeiver like he used is a 27MHz sinusoidal wave, AC and not DC and hot wire is the carrier of the AC signal.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 19, 2011, 03:15:02 PM
A quick question to everyone . I have only ever dismantled two computer fans , and both were brushless motor types .Would you class this type as standard . Thinking conventionally , the coils in brushless motors are supplied through a kind of inverter circuit . Watching the videos , TT starts the reactor by starting the fan with his finger . I assumed that the fan , at this point was acting as a generator , to "prime" the reactor . Not sure that a brushless motor can act as a generator , but will test it later . So again , just to clarify , is a Brushless motor a STANDARD fan motor ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 19, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
@energia9: Yes I know peter markovich´s work in 1977, and it was one of my basic Motors in building Pyramids.
But after a few years, i found some proof, that he was cheating the people.
On the end, he got a few mV, but he sold a few watts....

But the basic way of markovich was understandable, and some of his files are classified till today.

Second Point: It´s still not useful to discuss about AC and DC and some other points of physics.
We can speak about this, if we have the first running V´s.

And if you want to get a running V , it´s absolutely easy to follow my hints. (We do not have any time to change the Setup BEFORE we have a running V.)

The 87 Turns will be the best Setup while starting a Project. (It is easyer to calibrate)

If you have more experience, you can play with the turns, and make your own experience.

But now in this point, we have to construct the basic setup, and the only focus would be to get this thing running the next days...
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 19, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
@neptune:
Brushless is OK.
You can see no output on a brushless Fan if you turn him, but it works.
(Thios would be a nice thing to discuss AFTER we have a running device)
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 19, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
Hi Gang,

Baking sand!

In preperation to charge the Reactor, I have sifted 1 pint of sand to remove the excessive large pieces and try
and keep the size in the 1-2 mm range.
On the plate is the large pieces that I am discarding.  In the SS pan is the sand that I am going to
"cook" @ 180 degrees for 45 min to an hour to use in the reactor.  Then a picture of it in the oven.
The Jar for the sand is in the oven to ensure it is dry also.  Again, all this from Thomas's video!

The sand is standard quartz pool filter sand that I obtained locally.

More later today.

Respectfully

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 19, 2011, 05:45:04 PM
@Tom

You are a ham.

I was wondering why you did not use your ham rig / 10 meter band to energize the reactor. You would have had a lot more power available to you and it would have been easier to match using your tuner.

Is the frequency used to energize the reactor important?

Is the power level important?

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 19, 2011, 06:04:45 PM
@duff:
Good Idea!
And then the guys will run to the HAM-Stores and they buy the good YAESU´s and ICOM´s just to replicate a TPP V12  :P

Well, I wanted to show the whole process with absolute easy and everywhere available things (and low cost off course)
I hope, this is a good answer for you..
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on July 19, 2011, 06:58:56 PM
Hi Gang,

Baking sand!

[...]
Ben K4ZEP

hey Ben

i guess your XYL (Mrs K4ZEP) was visiting with friends today - while the best crockery was filled with sand and the oven hijacked for a technical experiment?  ;)

(reminds me of the time Mrs NP came home and found a low-powered LED pulse circuit operating inside the powered-off MWO)

have fun!
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 19, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
hey Ben

i guess your XYL (Mrs K4ZEP) was visiting with friends today - while the best crockery was filled with sand and the oven hijacked for a technical experiment?  ;)

(reminds me of the time Mrs NP came home and found a low-powered LED pulse circuit operating inside the powered-off MWO)

have fun!

Hi NP,

I have a VERY good XYL!  She just said "clean up after you make a mess!"

Picture below of charging setup.  Right to left, Variac, OLD DVM 0-7500 VAC, Furnace transformer, HV probe, Reactor, top cap and a pint of heated/dried sand too hot to hold yet.  Will give it a whack later this PM.....X your fingers that it works!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 19, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
I also obtained my sand from pool supply.

Out of curiosity I dropped a neo magnet into the bag to check for iron content.
There were a few grains that stuck but I would not think magnet/non-magnetic grain ratio would greatly influence the reactor.

I'm thinking about removing all sand with iron content from the sand that will go into the reactor.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 19, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
Hello,
 Today I made detailed measurements before and after, molding / "chаrge" / of quartz.
 Measurements I made them in and out of the house.
 The results are very interesting.
 I used neon transformer 3000 v 32 kHz.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on July 19, 2011, 10:51:42 PM
@energia9: Yes I know peter markovich´s work in 1977, and it was one of my basic Motors in building Pyramids.
But after a few years, i found some proof, that he was cheating the people.
On the end, he got a few mV, but he sold a few watts....

But the basic way of markovich was understandable, and some of his files are classified till today.

Second Point: It´s still not useful to discuss about AC and DC and some other points of physics.
We can speak about this, if we have the first running V´s.

And if you want to get a running V , it´s absolutely easy to follow my hints. (We do not have any time to change the Setup BEFORE we have a running V.)

The 87 Turns will be the best Setup while starting a Project. (It is easyer to calibrate)

If you have more experience, you can play with the turns, and make your own experience.

But now in this point, we have to construct the basic setup, and the only focus would be to get this thing running the next days...
ng, Tom

Thomas, because i dont have quartz sand and i cant find pure quartz sand anywhere,  i thought of smashing quartz crystals to make powder ,  have you experimented with this? 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 19, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
All these elements made me thinking about Hutchison's mineral cells.
He designed batteries working with some minerals (quartz and others) and charge it with DC High Voltage during a long time; and he gets a battery delivering some power.

This is the same that is done in the pyramid. Energy coming from the ground gives amperes (power) to the potential given by the quartz.

It is interesting to seek in comparison with Hutchison's work.

@Trawoeger: I agree completely that discussions will come AFTER successfull replication.
As I first built a 50cm pyramid because I thought you had a formula to compute reactor for all scales; I achieve my test with it, I won't just put it to garbage! When all will be over I will tell you here.

I sanded the reactor today (a small version of the reactor suited to the smaller pyramid) with my CiBi, 27MHz, but I have no amplifier yet. There is 3 watts output. I haven't the measurements you had with your multimeter, when you have hundreds volts AC around the antenna wire to detect the power emitted by the CiBi inside the reactor, I only have few volts. So 3 Watts is not enough.

You used a 27MHz CiBi or a VHF 140MHz or other?

I have ordered an amplifier to get more (35 Watts like yours) and will test it in two days.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 19, 2011, 10:58:26 PM
I also obtained my sand from pool supply.

Out of curiosity I dropped a neo magnet into the bag to check for iron content.
There were a few grains that stuck but I would not think magnet/non-magnetic grain ratio would greatly influence the reactor.

I'm thinking about removing all sand with iron content from the sand that will go into the reactor.

Hi Duff,

Don't know if it would make a difference but why not.  Keep the Quartz pure......

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 19, 2011, 11:29:49 PM
@Trawoeger

When I ask for measurement in your reactor, it is not to discuss and lossing time, it is in a way to design my reactor dimensions in order to follow the rule that with a scaling pyramid you have a resonant frequency scaled.

So I computed the dimensions to have all inductances of the coils half of yours and capacitor value half too.
But to have the good dimensions I must know some informations about your design.

I have to know the distance between your holes and some others (the lengeth of the adapter for weldind the tubes and of the part going in the tube). These informations are used to work really and not in a forum in discussions.

This is what I designed and why, with only assumptions of what is in your system. So I have to do it like a blind!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 20, 2011, 12:10:06 AM
Hi All,

Well first try at charging @ 5000 VAC, 60Hz. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHwdAKKGWJs

Does NOT seem to pass the active test of AC on shield when done.

Going to let it set.  It does show almost 1000V dc into a very high impedance load on an AGL Model 300 Electrostatic locator meter after
resting for 10 min.  So it does build up something inside over time.
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Tommy on July 20, 2011, 12:51:38 AM
Be carful when handeling quarts in motion- that fine dust is really dangerus-its small glass. Do not breath that dust in - i dont think there is any way to get it out of you once you got it inside.

Other than that great work evryone :)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: oscar on July 20, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
Hi madsatbg,

thank you for posting your experiments.
In the 5th image in your last posting (titled: 10 AC after filling with quartz inside house.JPG) it is obvious that you have a high charge on the reactor.
If you carry that highly charged reactor outside, can you still measure this high charge or does the measured value drop drastically?
In other words:
Is the high charge a result of the location where you inform/charge the reactor or is it a result of the location where you take the measurement?

Thank you.
Additional note:
I think the title of the first image in your posting (titled: 2 DC after filling with quartz outside house.JPG) is not correct. The title should be "...before filling...", as no sand is visible in the tube !?

edit:
@-Erdtaucher- from German forum:
It seems that madsatbg is connecting one electrode of the Volt-meter to his body/hand. Maybe you want to try that too?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 20, 2011, 02:03:26 PM
Hi All,

Just one small step in understanding how this device works.
This is for the theorist out there.  A very vague theory of how this works
is forming, a lot more thought before I know for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wudVFlwX5KA

Enjoy some basic test...........more to come!!!!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 20, 2011, 04:24:56 PM
I last time wrote about the similarity of TT producing electric energy with quartz and Hutchison cristal batteries; they are done and a pretty similar way: crystal and high voltage to load it, then it produces electricity.

Here is a video of it so you can show it yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK206oAmF_M

The system is said to work with casimir effect and the metal contained in crystals are important to do it.

And another one that reproduces this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmxIwgLYEY
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 20, 2011, 05:59:29 PM

In the 5th image in your last posting (titled: 10 AC after filling with quartz inside house.JPG) it is obvious that you have a high charge on the reactor.
If you carry that highly charged reactor outside, can you still measure this high charge or does the measured value drop drastically?

...The title should be "...before filling...", as no sand is visible in the tube !?
Hi oscar ,
When measuring volts inside the house and out
 multimeter indicates differently.
Loading "reactor" from outside and bring a "reactor" inside and perform a measurement, the measured value increases.

 I think this is due to the enclosed volume of the room or the fluctuations of the electrical network.

My mistake, read "...before filling...",
thanks
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 20, 2011, 06:49:41 PM
Hi all,
Trying to explain how the pyramid works of Thomas. ;)

Coil on copper pipe inner and outer copper tube condenser are of value 336 pF.
 This explains why must
the "load" the reactor.
 Thomas's start the pyramid by hand rotation
 fan.
 When turning the fan by hand I get 2.5 volts peak
 and then decreased sharply to 0.5 volts and continues to decline slowly.
 Voltage of the fan boot "capacitor" - coil and consequently
 oscillations are obtained in L-C circuit - "Reactor - capacitor" and thanks to energy added by
the quartz oscillation does not subside.
What you think?

regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 20, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
@Madsatbg . Please see my reply on the "Background discussion of TT`s pyramid" thread
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on July 21, 2011, 03:58:26 AM
At Madsatbg:

I envy you for your good measures, very, very good work  ;)

At Oscar:

I did it, please look at my new Posts in the german forum

http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.45
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 21, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
@Erdtaucher . For those of us who do not speak German , what do you mean when you say "I did it" please?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on July 21, 2011, 04:17:12 PM
 :o :o Sorry for my bad English.
Better i would say: i put my body between the measure electrode and the Reactor and made photos of it.
This was an awnser of the question, Oscar asked me some posts before.

...and by the way Thomas ratifyse, that my Reactor works.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 21, 2011, 04:43:21 PM
:o :o Sorry for my bad English.
Better i would say: i put my body between the measure electrode and the Reactor and made photos of it.
This was an awnser of the question, Oscar asked me some posts before.

...and by the way Thomas ratifyse, that my Reactor works.

Good Morning Erdtaucher,

Congratulations on a working reactor!!!!!  Most Excellent

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 21, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
congratulations Erdtaucher . A vey big step towards success .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: johnnyfg on July 22, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Another book you might find of interest is the -Book of Knowledge,  64 KEYS of Enock,  if you can find it. 

http://www.general-files.com/download/gs9f9591dh17i0 (http://www.general-files.com/download/gs9f9591dh17i0)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 22, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
  The book of knowledge is an expensive book, not free. The file sharing sites as this one in the link may work fine but, I'm a little leery of them.
  Have you tried it, or read any of the book.  There is more information to be found on the subject of the Pyramids, in the other book called
Oasphe.  I have already sent the link, but if needed again, I can included in my next post, at the other sister thread.
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 23, 2011, 11:21:34 PM
I finished the reactor and assembled it inside the pyramid. The pyraid was put over a telluric node in my garden I detected myself, and correctly aoriented to north with some degrees more in east; with a level so compensating so it be horizontal.

I bought a 35W Ham Cb amplifier but it was destroyed in 30 seconds, in preliminary tests, before I used in on sand. So I had to find another solution. As I do electronic works sometimes I have some equipment. I used my signal generator with an amplifier able to deliver 10 Watts for a frequency between 4MHz to 13MHz. I used 10MHz.

First, the electric field measured when the amplifier is operating, while the sand has been filled (and when finished); measurement between the outside tube (mass) and a wire in the air at some distance (like Thomas did to prove the electrification of the coil): I read 238V with AC voltmeter (you can see the power supply that delivers 24,8V with 1,58 amperes to the amplifier. The amplifier use 0,33 amperes to power a cooler fan so it sucks 31 Watts for the high frequency production).

Then I used the same AC voltmeter to measure the voltage like Thomas did between the outside tube and the down wire of the coil, through my body. I find 1,31V.

I thought that all was OK. But I finished the correct mountinf of all components and when cutting the wires of capacitor there was nothing on my voltmeter. There was first no static charge inside and when plugged the voltmeter displayed 0,00 mV before, during or after cutting.

So I did other measurements; and I found out that I can have 1 volt or more with the wires in the air on my desktop, altough my computer was shut down; and nothing connected to the reactor. What is displayed (in AC) is completely irrelevant. My 1,31V were not a voltage between the coil wire and the tube through my body but was the same voltage (approximately) than with no connection from my wires to the reactor; in the air.

I used another cheap multimeter, but in AC there is only 600V gauge so I displayed 0V but I can't know. My first multimeter is a good one and works well; but I can't trust it as to know wether the sand is electrified correctly.

You, who did the same work to electrify the sand, did you test that you did have no voltage at all with the same multimeter, unplugging the wires from the reactor, and just being at the same place; so you really have a true reactor voltage and not some voltages created with the high impedance of the multimeter because of induction caused by ambient AC 50Hz (or 60Hz for USA)?

A question for Mister Trawoeger: could you please give me the name (references, mark and number please) of your ham CB amplifier so I can buy one that will not be destroyed in 30 seconds (I feed it with a ham CB 3 Watts output in 27MHz band). Yours has worked and I would want to do another electrification of the sand through a working amplifier like yours.
Thank you for this information.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 24, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
@pascuser:
I think there are many small, but in summary existencially errors in your installment.
I will check allyour thread messages to collect as many informations and i will give you my ideas in the following hours.

But i think,the proportions inside your Pyramide aren´t correct. So it can be,that your Reactor is to great in relation to your pyramide. Inside the pyramide,everything is working with frequenzy and electronic harmony.
Thats the tricky point, and that will make it heavy to run your non-scale device.

But i will keep an eye about you,and i want to make a "fast replication of your V12 to find my answers in the next hours.

We have very bad weather today in austria, and so i can´t make my last Outdoorvideo.
So i will make some experimentsin scaling down...

Please be patient,i willgive you my opinion in the next hours..
ng,tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 24, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
Thank you very very much mister Trawoeger!
I wait for your work with great excitation. I will be patient, no problem about it.

If you ask yourself a question about what I did in my system, the whole thing is fully developed in my forums; in french, sorry. So I put here links with an automated translation (in english for everybody and german for you). There are two pages where all is explained with pictures. Translation will not be good, be good enough ti understand what I depict and pictures explain things.

Building, first page:

in english:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conspirovniscience.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D734%26view%3Dfindpost%26p%3D19235&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

in german:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conspirovniscience.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D734%26view%3Dfindpost%26p%3D19235&sl=fr&tl=de&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Building, second page:

in english:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conspirovniscience.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D734%26view%3Dfindpost%26p%3D19255&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

in german:
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conspirovniscience.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D734%26view%3Dfindpost%26p%3D19255&sl=fr&tl=de&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Three points to add:
First two ones are about the reading when cutting wire at the end of capacitor and the third about the reading of sand electrification.

1) I cut the wire of the capacitor while the voltmeter was plugged on the poles of the capacitor/coil reactor. Nothing is detected on the voltmeter (DC): 0.
My video (in french, but vocal is not important since I explained here what I did):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQGyaXp1fQ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQGyaXp1fQ0)

2) I cut the wire of the capacitor while the voltmeter was plugged on one pole of the capacitor/coil reactor and the other one is plugged to the ground frame of the pyramid, connected to earth with a wire.

Then I can detect a reading (DC). But this is a measurement not between poles of the reactor.
My video (in french, but vocal is not important since I explained here what I did):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN8oIJtwDAQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN8oIJtwDAQ)

But this is not what you did mister Trawoeger, you plugged between two poles of the capacitor for measurement.

3) The measurement problem: what can I trust when measuring with multimeter to know wether my sand is correctly electrified?
If there is no real electric contact (measurement between copper tube and wire coil has no electric contact) then you can measure everything, because of electric AC 50Hz in the air that is displayed with the big input impedance of the voltmeter in a voltage that has no meaning. See here my video:

What can I trust to know that my sand has been correctly electrified? After having finished the sand electrification, When plugging one wire to the down wire coil and the other one to the outside copper tube I found 0,6V and with my body in series in the circuit I found 1,3V.

Now here I tested with no connexion with the coil, only with the copper tube (inside one but it is the same since inside and outside tubes are soldered together) and I can read a voltage too. And with my two wires not connected, I can have a voltage too. So what can I trust to know that operation was correct with the sand.

Did you get the same reading problems with your multimeter and the sand?
My video (in english with explanations inside):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgscVRubFU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgscVRubFU)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 24, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
@Pascuser .I am sorry to see that you are having measurement problems and finding it hard to prove if your sand is "conditioned "or not . You could try testing in your garden away from mains electric wiring .Sorry also to hear about the short life of your amplifier . These amplifiers are a simple circuit , and perhaps you could fit a new transistor .But that will not solve the problem that this amplifier does not like a bad SWR . Maybe a good idea would be to use an Antenna Tuner [ called also a matcher or transmatch ] so that the amplifier "sees" a good SWR .You could make your own using two variable capacitors and a coil in the form of a Pi Network .Although this would be better for the amplifier , I do not know if this would result in less RF power at the reactor , but I think it would not .
    I personally think that the high voltage method of sand filling would be cheaper , but more dangerous . Thomas says a maximum voltage of 3Kv AC , so I think a microwave oven transformer giving 2 to 2.3 Kilovolts would work OK .These transformers are dangerous as they are capable of high current , so you need to know what you are doing . I would use some "remote controll" way to actually pour the sand .That way you can stay 3 metres away during the process .Hope this helps .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 24, 2011, 05:36:11 PM
 I would think that the reactor can be outputting 1.6 to 1.8 volts on its own, as it is very similar in more that just appearance to my capacitor can beach sand-cement cell, which outputs the same voltage when it was first made.
Just try another meter yet,  but I would think that the bigger meter that is showing some reading is the right one.  What do you get as far as current readings off of just the reactor?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 24, 2011, 07:11:38 PM
@pascuser:
Well,i did some scaling work (photos will follow on my website this night), and i watched your Videos.
(I can speak french and of course i can read it, but my french writing is more terrible than my english one)

The output while earthing showed me,that your resonance inside the Pyramide is not present.
I don´t like to say  it,but your pyramide is to small  for your reactor, or your reactor is too great for your Pyramide.

I will produce a working reactor for your Pyramide, and if you want, i can send it to you for comparing harvest in different measures. (It would be your part to send us your results.)

Your Informing of your reactor seems to be OK, but i am shure, you dont get the "focus-point" inside the Pyramide.
In this case, the Pyramide gets "Ground hungry" and you get a potential between  the frame (ground) and the reactor.
I saw this hundrets of times in my research....

For me, it could get very interesting to run your  small V12,because i will need different measures in different Sizes on different places for my final work. (the real great one :-)

So we can help us each other...
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 24, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
Thank you everybody for your comments. I will try the tests proposed.

@Trawoeger

Thank you very much for your proposal. Your experience to understand what's wrong is important.
Yes I am interested in a working reactor for the pyramid if you can design one and yes I will give a payback with all tests.

I everytime explain in detail what has been done and the resultats in my research forum, with pictures and videos to illustrate and that will not be different.

If you can design one working and are willing to send it to me then I will pay for material and shipping, that's normal and that's my proposal.

But I go on holidays tomorrow morning for three weeks (I get married in august) and will be back at home only for 20th august. I would have wanted to be there to be able to work on the pyramid doing all kind of tests, but I can't miss this appointment . As a teacher holidays are running until 1st september so I will have enough time to work on it when back; but not before 20th august.

Do you mind taking your time and waiting me until this date?

Whe can keep in touch (private message?) when you think you will have a working design (I will have access to internet during the whole period but can't bring my pyramid with me!)

Regards to all

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 24, 2011, 08:20:45 PM
@Pascuser . Congratulations on your forthcoming Marriage , and I wish you and your wife future happiness . Thanks for sharing your research , and I am sure we all look forward to your return .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 24, 2011, 10:14:17 PM
Thanks!!  :)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on July 25, 2011, 03:59:49 AM
Hi All,
great replications so far.
Hopefully we will soon see some
other power producing pyramids from the members over here.

Maybe the replicators could also try to
energize the sand in the tube-reactor with
high voltage spark discharges from an car iginition coil
or something simular.

To have spark discharges has the advantage, that you
have very fast very sharp pulses that have a very fast RF burst
and thus has a very wide spectrum.

Could maybe make a difference in energizing the sand.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on July 25, 2011, 05:52:28 AM
    Hi Stefan and All:
   I was watching this video today of Kooler and his HV system, might work for something like is needed to charge the quartz sand in the reactor,  looks and is kind of dangerous though. Can't get too close to it.
    http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=418.0
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 25, 2011, 11:47:19 AM
@pascuser:
Congratulation and best wishes for your marriage:
You will get the complete Reactor at 20. August via UPS!
And it will be my personal marriage present for you :-)
Please send me your adress via mail.
ng, Tom
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 25, 2011, 01:37:08 PM
Hello Thomas,

Hartman found a network and an underground river, with the help of profesonal.
sifted quartz sand in small pieces
heated it to 100% dry
I loaded the "reactor" by Tesla transformer with 6000 volts
This picture shows what the voltage received from the reactor
Synchronize pyramid by cutting small pieces of "condenser"
I got about 250-260 mV AC
Multimeter is connected between the "plus" and ground piramide
the same  teminals a fan connected
after I turned it by hand
fan rotates one, two seconds
and stops
what happens, where I'm wrong?
Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/madsatbg#p/a/u/0/r3I3s01A-zc

at best wishes
 madsatbg
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 25, 2011, 01:43:04 PM
Thank you everybody for your comments. I will try the tests proposed.

@Trawoeger

Thank you very much for your proposal. Your experience to understand what's wrong is important.
Yes I am interested in a working reactor for the pyramid if you can design one and yes I will give a payback with all tests.

I everytime explain in detail what has been done and the resultats in my research forum, with pictures and videos to illustrate and that will not be different.

If you can design one working and are willing to send it to me then I will pay for material and shipping, that's normal and that's my proposal.

But I go on holidays tomorrow morning for three weeks (I get married in august) and will be back at home only for 20th august. I would have wanted to be there to be able to work on the pyramid doing all kind of tests, but I can't miss this appointment . As a teacher holidays are running until 1st september so I will have enough time to work on it when back; but not before 20th august.

Do you mind taking your time and waiting me until this date?

Whe can keep in touch (private message?) when you think you will have a working design (I will have access to internet during the whole period but can't bring my pyramid with me!)

Regards to all

Good morning Pascuser,

About 48 years ago I married.  It was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Enjoy life, enjoy wife and kids, someday grand kids.  In your spare time, enjoy the science of the Pyramid.  Good luck on all your endeavors.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: conradelektro on July 25, 2011, 01:45:07 PM

Did you get the same reading problems with your multimeter and the sand?
My video (in english with explanations inside):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgscVRubFU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgscVRubFU)


@Pascuser and all who do measurements:

Since some time I try to get electricity out of the electro smog surrounding us. While building different antennas and circuits I observed the following:

Whatever antenna I built, I always found 0.5 to 1.8 Volts when measuring with a good Multimeter in the AC setting, specially when I provide a good ground connection.

So, one has to be very careful when interpreting such results. Unless you live in a very remote area, you are surrounded by mobile phone towers, WLAN-transmitters, Radio and TV stations and power lines and you can see some Voltage whenever you have some sort of antenna on one Multimeter probe and a good earth connection on the other Multimeter probe in the AC setting. When you use a high frequency diode you can also see it in the DC setting.

It is easy to measure some Voltage, but it is very difficult to get some decent Amperage. So, the received "power" (Watts) is very little with a crude antenna.

A further interesting fact is that your body can either act as an antenna or as "ground". So, build whatever antenna you want (e.g. use a short wire), connect one probe of the Multimeter to this "antenna" and touch the other probe of the Multimeter (wetting your fingers will help) and you will see some Voltage in the AC-setting (0.5 to 1.8 Volt). The "better" your Multimeter is, the easier it will be to see a Voltage in the AC setting.

This post does not say anything about the Trawöger pyramid, it is just a reminder that electro smog is everywhere and influences measurements in the AC setting of a sensitive Multimeter. Trawöger claims up to 15 Watts from his pyramid, which can not come from electro smog according to my hobby research into electro smog. But the measurements I saw in the forums done by replicators with their "generators (copper tube coils)" look very much like electro smog to me.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 25, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
@madsatbg:
I am sitting here with wet Eyes, because you are maybe the first guy in OU.com with a proven first result, and you are willing to show this to the crowd. (we had some guys before, but the dissapeared in the moment of sucsess...)
Well, You are on the last step before sucsess.

First: keep all the mess away from the Pyramide. Every metal in a circle of 2 meters is poison for your Pyramide.
Second: keep the V12 directly to the floor and turn it between 2-3 degrees plus to north.
Third: use a smaller Fan
Fourth: Watch your Pyramide working the next month  :-*

You made my day good and now i will drink a beer :-)
If necessary, I can give you the final help even on Skype to get your wonderful Lady running.... I am so happy now.....

@conradelektro:
You can believe me, i am mad about pyramides since a very long time. Madsatbg shows us directly all the Facts you need to get a working V12.
I can check this, and i saw his Video on YT. There are some things you can´t fake .
So i can tell everybody. This guy have a working Reactor and this guy will be the first one with a turning fan....
(In this case, nobody is interested in any measurement BEFORE the fan is blowing... we enjoy it blowing)

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 25, 2011, 02:20:22 PM

You made my day good and now i will drink a beer :-)

thanks Thomas
I am so happy тоо,when you think that my pyramid
work and thank your I believe in free energy and people who openly share
 ;D
I join you and drink a beer for success and free energy

cheers  madsatbg

p.s.will follow your advice
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 25, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
@madsatbg . Here is something to try . If the fan will not keep running , do what Thomas did on his video ,disconnect and reconnect the fan a few times . If the fan shows a small movement as you reconnect , then I think you are very close .Once you get the fan to run continuously , do NOT disconnect it any more .Super congratulations on your progress so far . \remember TT says find a smaller fan .
One important question for you . On your pictures above  You show a copper object just to the right of your multimeter . It is sitting on top of what looks like a reel of solder . I assume this is a "reducer" or adapter to fit 30mm and 10mm pipe . Can you confirm that this is what you used to join the 30mm pipe and 10 mm pipe at the top AND bottom of your reactor . Does it fit over the OUTSIDE of the 30 mm pipe please . If I assume right , this is what I will use as it is available locally .
Edit . It looks like your inner pipe is 15 mm and not 10 mm?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on July 25, 2011, 04:06:49 PM
To madsatbg:

Congratulation for this big step on the way to sucess !!!

You are the one with the golden fingers !!!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 25, 2011, 07:14:38 PM
Second: keep the V12 directly to the floor and turn it between 2-3 degrees plus to north.

Hi Thomas,
I'm confused
I  oriented pyramid north-south, how to give another 1 -2 degrees north?
maybe I'm wrong totally

@neptune
Thanks for the congratulations, but still have time to travel
 I used  the adapter 30 mm at 15 mm
wound 59 turns of the inner coil and the outer as the "reactor"

@Erdtaucher
thanks, steps to free energy I hope to do together
by sharing successful and unsuccessful attempts
mutual learning from their mistakes
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 25, 2011, 07:31:08 PM
@Madsatbg.Align the pyramid exactly North , and then turn the pyramid 1 - 2 towards EAST . That is 1 or 2 degrees CLOCKWISE as seen from above . This is based on aircraft type compass where numbers are use . North is zereo and east is 90 degrees , so starting from north , plus 2 degrees means 2 degrees towards the east . For those who are confused , the photo  in the above post is of the v6 pyramid from 5 years ago .
 Could you please confirm if your inner pipe is of 10 mm or 15 mm diameter?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 25, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
@Trawoeger. I am sure you would like to see many successful replications . One problem is that for replicators in different countries , we can not always get the exact parts and materials that you used . It appears that madsatbg used a different type of adapter or reducer to join the inner tube to the outer tube . His pyramid seems like it will work , so this is probably not important .My idea would be to use a copper end cap .This the same shape as the plastic part you used on the end of the plastic tube , but made of copper , and drilled with a 10 mm hole .Do you think that would work ? The other thing that seems to be hard to find is the plastic rod on which the condenser is wound [On the videos you call this a wheel} Could a plastic tube of the same diameter be used ? Answers to these questios would help us all . Thank you .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 25, 2011, 09:13:05 PM
Could you please confirm if your inner pipe is of 10 mm or 15 mm diameter?
Hi neptune,
Yes, I use 15 mm inner pipe.
I use 20 mm PVC tube for "capacitor", but I filled the pipe with
Straw PU-Foam

regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on July 25, 2011, 10:14:34 PM
Добрый день madsatbg, я тоже сталкнулся с проблемой найти пластиковый стержень и думал что можно обойтись трубой пвх, но смотрю вы изменили отношение к полой трубе
Я вам написал в коментах на ютубе
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: AbbaRue on July 26, 2011, 02:18:51 AM
@madsatbg
Thanks for telling us the sizes.
I live in Canada, and even though we use metric for street signs,
building materials are still in inches. 
The 10mm tubing is 3/8 inches here but is only available in rolled up tube which must be straightened.
16mm is 1/2 inch copper tubing and is commonly available here.
30mm is 1 inch copper tubing and is commonly available here as well.

@Trawöger  can I use the 16mm tube inside the 30mm tube with the same lengths you used? 
Also can we use 20mm PVC pipe for the capacitor?  That is 3/4 inch pipe and is common here as well. 
If so that will make things very simple for us in  Canada and USA to replicate.
If not can you work out any changes we need make for here. 

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DiegoPalma on July 26, 2011, 07:12:02 AM
Hi @Thomas and all enthusiastic researchers of free energy in this forum.
My name is Diego Palma from Peru (Cusco). I have been following with a lot of interest the forum and making my own attempt of building a replication of Thomas pyramid.
I know little about electronic or dowsing but I have a good common sense and criteria.

I am writing to this forum to ask you and Thomas all the help you can give me to make this experiment work. I will try to be very specific in the details so all would be very clear.

I want to express my full respect to Thomas and his open attitude of sharing openly his knowledge and discoveries on free energy. I hope the world would benefit on this shared attempt to replicate his experiment and improve it in an open source arena.

Pyramid
So, I started with the pyramid with 8 square iron bars (2cm x 2cm x 100cm), all welded.
I used 3 Gypsum / Dry wall plates of 10mm. (I couldn’t find the 19mm used by Thomas and hope it is not so important).

Inner coil of reactor
For the inner coil of the reactor I used 10mm x 360mm copper tube.
I dig the two 5mm holes at 35mm from the bottom and 40mm from the top.
Distance between holes is 285mm. All measures from the center of the holes.

For the outer tube of the reactor I used a 29mm x 305mm copper tube, and two reductions I make from a solid 29mm copper tube.
All copper materials are well cleaned and polished as he suggested.

The reductions are 10mm width (5mm goes outside the outer tube and 5mm gets inside the tube) with a 10mm hole in the center.

I welded the reduction to the inner tube at 20mm of the bottom and 5 mm from the center of the hole.



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DiegoPalma on July 26, 2011, 07:25:03 AM
For the inner coil I used 16 AWG cable with 1.5mm copper and 3mm total width including insulation.
I used 97 windings as suggested initially by Thomas.
The 97 windings fit exactly around the 280mm between the two holes.
The center of the inner coil (reactor) is at 182mm from the top of the reactor.

Note: As I mentioned before, for the outer tube of the reactor I used a 29mm x 305mm copper tube. I know Thomas mentioned a 290mm large copper tube instead. I initially used a 290mm large tube but it do not fit since the reductions Thomas is using add more length to the outer tube (around 20mm) and the ones I use are only 10mm wide each.

I would like to ask Thomas if this is correct.

Finally, I checked the cable conductivity and isolation from the copper tube (no short cuts present).

Outer coil of reactor

For the outer coil I used a 42mm x 308mm plastic tube and two proper plastic lids.
I winded 96.5 windings of the 16 AWG 1.5mm cable (same direction).

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on July 26, 2011, 07:26:43 AM
For the inner coil I used 16 AWG cable with 1.5mm copper and 3mm total width including insulation.
I used 97 windings as suggested initially by Thomas.
The 97 windings fit exactly around the 280mm between the two holes.
The center of the inner coil (reactor) is at 182mm from the top of the reactor.

Note: As I mentioned before, for the outer tube of the reactor I used a 29mm x 305mm copper tube. I know Thomas mentioned a 290mm large copper tube instead. I initially used a 290mm large tube but it do not fit since the reductions Thomas is using add more length to the outer tube (around 20mm) and the ones I use are only 10mm wide each.

I would like to ask Thomas if this is correct.

Finally, I checked the cable conductivity and isolation from the copper tube (no short cuts present).

Outer coil of reactor

For the outer coil I used a 42mm x 308mm plastic tube and two proper plastic lids.
I winded 96.5 windings of the 16 AWG 1.5mm cable (same direction).
THANKS...
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DiegoPalma on July 26, 2011, 07:42:34 AM
Capacitor

For the capacitor I used a 20mm x 525mm plastic water PVC pipe with two coils of 11 meters each of the 16 AWG 1.5mm copper cable. I add 10cm to each endings on both coils to connect and synchronize the capacitor.

I cut the endings and mount it in the pyramid to keep the reactor in the exact center of the pyramid as Thomas indicated.

Charging the reactor

The voltage in my country (Peru) is 220v. Here comes the tricky part. I decided to go for the high voltage charging instead of the High Radio Frequency way since my understanding of electronic and RF is limited. I found a high voltage DC transformer made from a fly-back. It makes 20,000 volts (that’s what the seller told me but I couldn’t prove it). I bought a multimeter and there is a warning to do not attempt to measure a circuit if the voltage is grater than 60v DC so I do not know neither the exact amps that are coming out of the transformer, but when I bring the terminals closer than 30mm they make a nice flow of lightning current between (sorry for my English).

I went to a swimming pool service and found two different brands of filter quartz sand. One is Crystaline Silica from Southern Products Silica C.O., INC (first picture) and the second one is a Peruvian brand (more expensive) and is made of ground quartz (second picture). I bought both.

I am going to use the first one since it is more similar in color to what Thomas showed in his video. (The second one is white and irregular in size but I have a 1.5mm frame to filter it if necessary)

That’s all for now. I will wait for your suggestions before going into the next step.
I read that the transformer need to be AC output and between 3 to 7 kilovolts but I have read different approaches and changes of mind in the last days that I am not sure anymore. I hope Thomas can give me the right approach.

Thank you Pascuser for the dowsing articles I would studied them and applied them in my yard. I live in Pisaq, a small town in the Sacred Valley in Cusco (2 hours from Macchu Picchu) at 3,000 meters high (11,000 feet aprox) and  and there is a lot of water underground.

I hope Ben, Matsatbg, Smoky, Pascuser, Duff, Jimboot, Neptune, me and all the rest together can replicate the power pyramid soon with the help of Thomas.

Waiting for your comments...

Diego

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 26, 2011, 10:15:19 AM
Hi DiegoPalma,
Greetings to distant Peru.
Congratulations, you did an excellent.
Would you share what voltage obtained after loading the "raektor"?
This is the first test operation of the pyramid.

regards   madsatbg
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 26, 2011, 01:00:50 PM
@DiegoPalma . The work that you have done is very high quality .I think you are very likely to succeed . However , I have some WARNINGS for you about working with high voltage , This is DANGEROUS and if you do it wrong , it could kill you . In a private message ben {K4ZEP} says that with such high voltage you only need to connect the live wire from the transformer to the inner coil . Do not connect the other transformer wire to the copper parts of your reactor . If you do , you will destroy the insulation of your wire , and possibly your transformer . When filling the sand take the following precautions .
1 Support the reactor by standing it in a dry glass jar or bottle .
2 Sand must be 100% dry .
3 Work on a wood bench , not metal .
4Wear shoes with rubber soles
5 stand on a dry rubber mat
6Keep your hands at least 150mm away from reactor .
7Have another person ready to switch off power from a distant point
     I understand that Ben has had good results using the one wire connection .
Be careful and good luck .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 26, 2011, 02:05:32 PM
Good Morning Diego,

Very nice work.  Thomas needs to comment on the construction as he is the expert.  I only notice one small problem in the reactor construction.  In the Video's that Thomas put out, he used BRASS END CAPS for the reactor.  I believe this is important.  I don't know why (of course I have a theory but it is just that) but if Thomas used BRASS, I think we all should do the same.  IF you have some brass that you can turn on your lathe to replace the copper end caps, I think it would be wise.  IF there are any Dowsers in your area, it would be most helpful to have them locate a NODE (crossing of flows) in a open field for your device to operate at it's optimum.  Other than than, What nice work, materials and documentations you have done. :)

IF there are no dowsers that you can contact, go on YouTube and search dowsing or American society of Dowsers, lots of good information on how to do it!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 26, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
@K4ZEP . Hi Ben . As always , the devil is in the detail . It is interesting to note that Madsatbg used copper end caps and that his work is approved by TT .It is interesting to note that he also used a 15 mm inner tube and a foam filled tube for his capacitor . Personally I would have thought that if end cap material was one of the things preventing complete success , TT would have commented .I know he hoped to avoid answering 1000 questions , but in the end it would be useful if he could answer a few . One problem is that not all plumbing parts are the same world wide .All will become clear no doubt in the fullness of time . We also have a Society of Dowsers here in the UK , and probably in most countries .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 26, 2011, 02:57:59 PM
@K4ZEP . Hi Ben . As always , the devil is in the detail . It is interesting to note that Madsatbg used copper end caps and that his work is approved by TT .It is interesting to note that he also used a 15 mm inner tube and a foam filled tube for his capacitor . Personally I would have thought that if end cap material was one of the things preventing complete success , TT would have commented .I know he hoped to avoid answering 1000 questions , but in the end it would be useful if he could answer a few . One problem is that not all plumbing parts are the same world wide .All will become clear no doubt in the fullness of time . We also have a Society of Dowsers here in the UK , and probably in most countries .

Hi Neptune, Diego,

Looking at Diego's pictures, the end caps look like Brass......I don't know....Diego, you said they were copper but the material in pictures looks like brass.....of course pictures are not always right!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 26, 2011, 05:30:14 PM
Hi Ben . Yes , sure looks like brass to me . As I say I am torn two ways on this . Without knowing exactly how this thing works , we do not know the exact effect of different end caps . Different styles of end cap would effect the internal volume of the sand chamber and the quantity of sand . This would effect the capacitance of the device . Would this matter ? We just dont know . Based on madsatbg`s build where he uses not only different end caps but a larger diameter inner tube , but still shows some promising signs , there is probably room for some tolerance . But exactly how much tolerance ? Making too many compromises will inevitably lead to a non working device , and no way of knowing what is wrong .
@madsatbg . Did you try connecting and disconnecting the fan motor , to see if you got some small movement of the fan when reconnecting ?
 I am exchangeing emails with a dowser who lives about 70 miles away . She has promised help and and advice , and If I am willing , dowsing lessons .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 26, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
Hi Ben . Yes , sure looks like brass to me . As I say I am torn two ways on this . Without knowing exactly how this thing works , we do not know the exact effect of different end caps . Different styles of end cap would effect the internal volume of the sand chamber and the quantity of sand . This would effect the capacitance of the device . Would this matter ? We just dont know . Based on madsatbg`s build where he uses not only different end caps but a larger diameter inner tube , but still shows some promising signs , there is probably room for some tolerance . But exactly how much tolerance ? Making too many compromises will inevitably lead to a non working device , and no way of knowing what is wrong .
@madsatbg . Did you try connecting and disconnecting the fan motor , to see if you got some small movement of the fan when reconnecting ?
 I am exchangeing emails with a dowser who lives about 70 miles away . She has promised help and and advice , and If I am willing , dowsing lessons .

Hi Neptune,

Well expressed.  I just don't know what the max/min tolerances are.  At this point, it is almost magic.  I wish I knew exactly what the energy was that this device picks up on but that is in the future I think. 

Take the dowsing lessons, it is magic.  Almost like talking to your innerself.  When it works for you, have the dowser take a picture of your face!  Pure magic but it works!!!!!  Here in FL, USA we basically live on top of a huge limestone aquifer that supplies our water over large areas.  I don't even know if we have NODES here or not as shows up in granite/quartz, etc.....I don't know if a area that shows greater flow shown by simple dowsing will work at least at some level or not.  I do know I would have a smile attack  ;D if I got just 1-2 watts out!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 26, 2011, 06:44:22 PM
Regarding end caps . I wonder if anyone can identify the actual part that Thomas uses .That would solve this particular problem . It does not seem to be a common plumbing part here in the UK . My son in law , a professional plumber does not recognise it . The way it is used is not exactly how it was designed to because the wide end has an internal thread , which in this application is not used . The other end has a solder ring . So once you have screwed it on to whatever you screw it onto , and solder the 10 mm pipe into position , You can not then unscrew it  . In plumbing , it is not normal practise to cut threads on copper pipes .And it would be impossible to cut threads on lead pipes .So that leaves just two possibilities . Either this part is just one component of a more complex fitting or appliance , or it is an adapter to fit a 10 mm copper pipe on to the end of a large diameter iron pipe . If someone knows the answer , please let us know .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 26, 2011, 07:01:51 PM
@madsatbg . Did you try connecting and disconnecting the fan motor , to see if you got some small movement
 
Hi neptune,
Yes, I try disconnecting and connecting the fan motor,several times
, but did not see some small movement.
Put a small fan 12 volts 0.15 amps
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 26, 2011, 07:23:26 PM
@madsatbg . Thanks for sharing your results so far . Remember negative results are still results and can teach us things . I expect you have done the obvious things , like testing the small fan on a battery , and seeing if it will light a LED when spun with a finger . If you have , then all you can do is wait for support and advice from Thomas . It is possible of course that your sand has "Fallen " as a result of a knock or accidental short circuit . I hope TT soon helps you .
 Did you feel that when testing with the big fan , that it would run longer when connected to the reactor , than when disconnected?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on July 26, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
Hello,
I think the cooler-fan should change, How does this scheme for Jaa Bedini.
only cooler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQqnaWUA98&feature=fvwrel
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 26, 2011, 07:51:32 PM
Here in my destination for three weeks.

@Trawoeger
I will send you all that's necessary in an email. Thank you again.

@madsatbg
Great work!
I see that your compass indicates north besides your pyramid, but be very carefull that the north is not north besides your pyramid because the steel frame of the pyramid changes from many dozens of degrees the magnetic north on your compass.

So you must find the treu north with your pyramid very far away (and any steel or magnetic material far way), mark this north where you are over the node you want to use, and find 2 or 3 degrees more est and mark it too, then you put your pyramidover and if you put the compass besides, then you will see that the north of your compass is not the right one.

@DiegoPalm
On the way, I am very interested in what you do.

Here we have many workers that really do; I will follow all messages.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 26, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
@all_
I made a quick test with a fully copper Reactor ... same result as madsatbg...
(The fan turnes max a second,nothing else...)
So it´s important to get the brass distancer..make in on a lathe...

I wasn´t able to try a inner tube with 16mm because there is no piece in my shack.

Well, I get some great problems to follow all the threads, and give answers to allquestions,because the thread get to overloaded with necessary and unnecessary things.

In this stadium of  work, it would be good to give the áttention to the working guys.
So, please everybody without a V12 Construction in the garden, please let the constructors speak.

I will answer allquestions if possible...

@DiegoPalma:Congrats to your fine construction:
I hope, your Distancer in the reactor is still a brass-piece.
I will make a special calculation for your Reactor, because in your Country, the pyramides will work a little bit different then elsewhere. (But don´t worry, your V12 will produce something still with your Setup for the Start)

Maybe you can tell me more about your "Informing-process". I hope to find anything there,because for my distance-look, everything looks quit well with your V12.

The south-american Pyramides had some major differences to all the other pyramides worldwide. Maybe they had the best ones in anchient times... Soyour results are more than important for me...

Happy Pyramiding
Thomas
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on July 26, 2011, 09:09:59 PM
@all_
I made a quick test with a fully copper Reactor ... same result as madsatbg...
(The fan turnes max a second,nothing else...)
So it´s important to get the brass distancer..make in on a lathe...
Thanks Thomas,
I will do a lathe brass bushings.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on July 27, 2011, 01:11:45 AM
Hello
Precisely, to build a pyramid structure identical to the original,
for avoidance of doubt, Thomas, I ask you to please, just tell us, the dimensions.

By giving us the right equality:

* For the side: ?
1 meter = c
or
1 meter = c + d

*For the base: ?
1 meter = b
or
1 meter = a + b + a

I've posted on
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11142.msg296069#msg296069
 but I'm afraid you did not see it.

Thank you  :-*
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: DiegoPalma on July 27, 2011, 06:44:55 PM
Hi @ all,

I have the copper reductions instead of brass.
I talked to Thomas and he point it is important to use the brass reductions instead.
I will make the brass reductions on my next trip to town this week, but for the moment I tried the copper ones...

I have a 220v (input) and 20,000v output DC transformer. I am not sure of the output since I can't use my multimeter to test it, and I don't trust the seller too much.
In any case, I connected the positive to the cable and the EARTH to the outer tube. I test the high voltage in the inner coil and there was no shorts in the cable. This is my second attempt. In my first one there was a lightning (short) in the entrance of the upper 5mm hole and the cable. Now I rewinded again and it is good. Thank @ Neptune for the security advise.

I filled in the quartz sand (very dried) and checked the voltage with the multimeter negative in the reactor IN (bottom) and the positive some centimeters away around the reactor and now it is giving me some very low fluctuating voltage (like 0.120 to 0.450 volts) in AC and DC measures. In my first attempt it was 0.001 volts (no reaction).
Also is good to say that I lived in an area with few and week TV or radio signals.

I tried my best to find a water node with a couple of L wires in my garden. Strange sensation for a non believer when the sticks crossed completely in same point in different tries. But finally I found a place that seems to be the correct one.

I mount the pyramid with all components in correct place and connection, alignment to North-South (the front open face triangle to South).
I connected the 12v cooler fan to try stimulate the system.
Nothing happened when trying to move the ventilator. The multimeter reads 0 volts.
Maybe it is the copper reductions...

I will try again with the brass ones when I have them.
Any suggestion?...


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Trawoeger on July 27, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
Sorry formydelayin answering...I amalittle bitbusy now  ;D
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 27, 2011, 07:49:39 PM
Sorry formydelayin answering...I amalittle bitbusy now  ;D

Needless to say, BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!!  Be Careful!

Respectfully
Ben!!!!!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 27, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
Hi @ all,

I have the copper reductions instead of brass.
I talked to Thomas and he point it is important to use the brass reductions instead.
I will make the brass reductions on my next trip to town this week, but for the moment I tried the copper ones...

I have a 220v (input) and 20,000v output DC transformer. I am not sure of the output since I can't use my multimeter to test it, and I don't trust the seller too much.
In any case, I connected the positive to the cable and the EARTH to the outer tube. I test the high voltage in the inner coil and there was no shorts in the cable. This is my second attempt. In my first one there was a lightning (short) in the entrance of the upper 5mm hole and the cable. Now I rewinded again and it is good. Thank @ Neptune for the security advise.

I filled in the quartz sand (very dried) and checked the voltage with the multimeter negative in the reactor IN (bottom) and the positive some centimeters away around the reactor and now it is giving me some very low fluctuating voltage (like 0.120 to 0.450 volts) in AC and DC measures. In my first attempt it was 0.001 volts (no reaction).
Also is good to say that I lived in an area with few and week TV or radio signals.

I tried my best to find a water node with a couple of L wires in my garden. Strange sensation for a non believer when the sticks crossed completely in same point in different tries. But finally I found a place that seems to be the correct one.

I mount the pyramid with all components in correct place and connection, alignment to North-South (the front open face triangle to South).
I connected the 12v cooler fan to try stimulate the system.
Nothing happened when trying to move the ventilator. The multimeter reads 0 volts.
Maybe it is the copper reductions...

I will try again with the brass ones when I have them.
Any suggestion?...

Hi Diego,

Very good work.  Be careful that when you "charge" the reactor that you do not get a "Arc" over inside.

One other note on alignment.  I notice in your picture with the cross string from the center of the sides of the pyramid on the center of the coil.  That is not the correct alignment.   The correct point is when the imaginary line from that center point is perpendicular to the side from all three sides,and where they meet, that is the center point.  the lines must come at RIGHT angles to the SIDES Not the base.    Your reactor is probably too high unless you have compensated for that in the setup.  See sketch attached.

Also, I do not know if you can use DC to charge/condition your reactor.  Thomas has always said AC on the high voltage version,
I will be interested to know if this works!!!!

I wish I was a far along as your are, most excellent work.

As Thomas told you, The brass plugs are mandatory!!!!

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 27, 2011, 11:02:29 PM
@K4ZEP . Ben , with respect , I think you are mistaken , and Diego has his reactor positioned right . Refer to Thomas`s videos part 8 , at 7 minutes 40 seconds to the end .
With his pyramid the reactor centre is 25 Cms from the floor .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 27, 2011, 11:35:03 PM
@K4zep

As Neptune, I did understand from Thomas Trawoeger's videos that you must place the reactor in a parallel from the square base and not right angle of the sides. Thomas says that right angle from the sides is not good.

According to him, this is because it is a reflection of the energy coming from the ground on the plate sides that it is set up this way.

As I am a math teacher, I computed the height from the base to have this point, instead of using wires from the gravity centers of the plate triangle sides; and this is easy, only Thales use. The interesting point is exactly 1/3 of the height of the pyramid, because he gravity center of the triangle sides is 1/3 of the height from the base. If you compute for a 1 meter pyramid with isosceles sides, you have the exact height for this point, from the square base: 23,57cm

For my small pyramid 1/2 scale this is 11,78cm

Thomas found 25m, which is an approximate work because of wires used and the exact height to use is 23,57cm=23,6cm with less than 1mm of error. This could help for positioning.

@Trawoeger

I thought that you were scaling down to 50cm sided, but now I know that I was wrong!! Huge reactor! Interesting to know what power you will drive with it.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 28, 2011, 01:43:45 AM
Hi Diego, Netputne, All,

I stand absolutely corrected!  I was totally wrong on how to find the middle of the pyramid!
Diego, you are right.  Memory is a terrible thing to trust.  You guys are on the ball!

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 28, 2011, 08:56:23 AM
@K4ZEP

No problem; and my memory is more bad than yours I think.
About calculation to place correctly the reactor, there is a small notice to do: it depends on your pyramid construction. The calculation that I have done is for an ideal pyramid with edges in wire.

But you have edges made with 20mm tubes. And depending on the way you built your pyramid the same computation works or not. For my pyramid, where all edges are 50cm and equal, and the peak on the square base are real peaks from edges coming of the apex, the computation is correct.

But now the gegyx question has most importance, not only because he will build the 1 meter pyramid for me because he helps me in my next building scale 1:1; but because depending on dimensions this modifies the positioning of the 1/3 point for reactor.

If edges from the apex were 1 meter laid on the square base, then you should only have to add the tube thickness of 2cm to the 23.6cm and the right position is 25.6cm.
But if these edges from the apex are shorter so to have a 1 meter length from the prolongation of the edges on the base of the square base, then not only you add 2cm but you must substract something. So maybe 25cm is a correct placement for Thomas pyramid (23.6+2-?=25).

But for YOUR pyramid, if it is built slightly differently from the way Thomas did (where your measured dimensions of edges) the position will be modified. I can compute for you the exact position of the reactor placement if you give the dimensions of all edges of the pyramid, in an exact way, because the imprecision of how it is built gives an imprecision varying from many centimeters in the placement of the center of the reactor.

If Thomas gave the exact answer to Gegyx of what are his lengths for his edges, I can calculate too his exact placement to confirm that 25cm is the correct height for his reactor's center. The calculation is only a way of doing exactly what Thomas said doing with wires coming from the center of each triangle gypsum sides with a hole in the center. You can avoid this construction and know the exact point he has with calculation; and once again I offer to do the calculation if you give the dimensions.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 28, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
@K4ZEP

No problem; and my memory is more bad than yours I think.
About calculation to place correctly the reactor, there is a small notice to do: it depends on your pyramid construction. The calculation that I have done is for an ideal pyramid with edges in wire.

But you have edges made with 20mm tubes. And depending on the way you built your pyramid the same computation works or not. For my pyramid, where all edges are 50cm and equal, and the peak on the square base are real peaks from edges coming of the apex, the computation is correct.

But now the gegyx question has most importance, not only because he will build the 1 meter pyramid for me because he helps me in my next building scale 1:1; but because depending on dimensions this modifies the positioning of the 1/3 point for reactor.

If edges from the apex were 1 meter laid on the square base, then you should only have to add the tube thickness of 2cm to the 23.6cm and the right position is 25.6cm.
But if these edges from the apex are shorter so to have a 1 meter length from the prolongation of the edges on the base of the square base, then not only you add 2cm but you must substract something. So maybe 25cm is a correct placement for Thomas pyramid (23.6+2-?=25).

But for YOUR pyramid, if it is built slightly differently from the way Thomas did (where your measured dimensions of edges) the position will be modified. I can compute for you the exact position of the reactor placement if you give the dimensions of all edges of the pyramid, in an exact way, because the imprecision of how it is built gives an imprecision varying from many centimeters in the placement of the center of the reactor.

If Thomas gave the exact answer to Gegyx of what are his lengths for his edges, I can calculate too his exact placement to confirm that 25cm is the correct height for his reactor's center. The calculation is only a way of doing exactly what Thomas said doing with wires coming from the center of each triangle gypsum sides with a hole in the center. You can avoid this construction and know the exact point he has with calculation; and once again I offer to do the calculation if you give the dimensions.

Good Morning Pascusser,

Thanks, In my pointed conversations with Thomas about the correct size of the pyramid (as I don't want to do this twice), it seemed that the absolute dimensions of the pyramid are not as critical as the building dimensions of the reactor/materials and its placement.  As the inside area/dimensions are what are doing the work, reflecting the ground energy, I presume that (the center of the gypsum) is the absolute dimension you measure for centering and and mounting point inside the gypsum.  The metal does not reflect the energy (not confirmed didn't think to ask), only the gypsum. Remember he showed how to measure for the center the reactor using ONLY pieces of gypsum.   That is all the absolute information I can give you. 

I suspect the "tuning" by adjusting/clipping the length of the wires on the non-connected ends of the Capacitor/inductor are what make up for the small variances in the overall system.  The metal would appear to be only a ground plane to bleed away excess charge (when connected to a active ground) that builds up in a working pyramid and NOT a part of the active energy producing system.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 28, 2011, 02:02:15 PM
@Pascuser . Back in the year2006/7 I believe that Thomas said that the dimensions given [ base 1 meter square , diagonals 1 meter] were the internal dimentions of the inside of the plasterboard [gypse] shell . If this is true , would this give a "focus" [centre of gravity] at exactly 25 cms from the floor ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 28, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
@Pascuser . Back in the year2006/7 I believe that Thomas said that the dimensions given [ base 1 meter square , diagonals 1 meter] were the internal dimentions of the inside of the plasterboard [gypse] shell . If this is true , would this give a "focus" [centre of gravity] at exactly 25 cms from the floor ?

Neptune,

You couldn't have said more in less words if you tried, EXCELLENT.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on July 28, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
Thomas, or someone who knows the correct answer:

Thomas said in the video: use High voltage OR high frequency:    the high frequency alone is low voltage or high voltage?

Thank you
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on July 28, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
Hello
If "Given the size [base 1 meter square, diagonal 1 meter] Were the internal DIMENSIONS of the inside of the plasterboard [gypsum]"
It would have been easier and faster to answer, above, in my scheme
1 meter = c + d = a + b + a
 ;D
(But in this case the internal height = 70.71 cm,
And the focus is 70.71 / 3 = 23.57 cm, not 25 from the ground.)
**
I hope that Thomas will make a fast and definitive answer by writing on my magic equality scheme (the summer quiz).
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on July 28, 2011, 05:37:51 PM
@energia9 . TT does not specify a voltage for the high frequency  . When feeding RF power to a device like this with a high VSWR [voltage standing wave ratio ] The voltage will depend on where in the system you measure it .Also you can not measure the voltage with a normal multimeter , designed to work at 50 or60 Hertz . A more relevant measurement is the Watts used . Note the he says a normal CB transceiver does not have enough power , at 4 or 5 watts . So he boosts the power with an RF amplifier to about 22 watts .Hope this helps .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 28, 2011, 07:49:41 PM
Hi Gang,

Started playing with Google SketchUp.   I swore I would never use a Cad system again after I retired as I used to use  several different cad. software programs every day and was burnt out on cad work, especially PC boards. Anyway, I decided to give the free Google SketchUp a try as there is a necessity to do responsible work here.  Nice little system.  I'm starting to build my Pyramid as parts will be here sooner or later and then too want to give my own reactor a whack at it. 

I'm cutting the gypsum exactly on the 1 meter dimensions, converted to inches, and this is what I came up with.   Did it to see how to get it out of 1 piece of 4X8 gypsum board with the least number of cuts.  Have to cut it at Home depot before I bring it home.

Some quick layout, now I have exact dimensions, a few cuts/scores with a knife, finish edges, etc.  and we are home free.  Don't ask me about the frame quite yet.  Several options but want to clear them with Thomas first.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: duff on July 28, 2011, 10:11:07 PM
@all

I've stopped working on the pyramid for now because of weather - 104 to 106F degrees here.
Damn near gave myself a heat  stroke a few weeks ago and took 3 days to recover.

Also had major expense with central air conditioning, so I don't need to spend any more money for a while...

@Ben

Here's my google sketchup file for the frame if your interested.
You'll need to read about creating groups and assigning the groups to layers to understand this.

To display the layers select: window/layers

I have not finished defining the cuts on each diagonal at the apex. Bottom end is ok though.

Also here a link to Jim Foltz’s Unfold plugin - unfolds  3D to 2D
http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2007/08/plugin-unfoldrb.html (http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2007/08/plugin-unfoldrb.html)
You can use this to create templates.



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyrami
Post by: Pascuser on July 28, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
I'm cutting the gypsum exactly on the 1 meter dimensions, converted to inches, and this is what I came up with.   Did it to see how to get it out of 1 piece of 4X8 gypsum board with the least number of cuts.  Have to cut it at Home depot before I bring it home.

Hi Ben

Don't forget to either cut one of the gypsum plates longer for an adjustment with no spacing in edges, or to take in account the angle for cutting in edges so plates will adjust together with no spacing holes on edges.

Good work!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 28, 2011, 11:28:11 PM
Hi Duff, Pascuser, all.

Actually, I'm not to worried about the outside as the inside dimensions.  I am going to attempt to make it fold-able with two Piano hinges between the 3 pyramid plates. Will finish off all sides with glass pre-stuck tape like you finish a wall board to keep it clean and reinforce the edges.Will have hinges on the inside and let the V grove on the outside be as it may, or might finish it up with 1/4 Sq. wood as a filler as it is on the outside.  Will cover the front edges of the two forward pyramids with a strip of "U" metal and have it also sit on a collapsible metal bottom plate that will keep all square when it is pinned that way.  I have quite a bit of experience working with tubing, etc. from days past, just don't have room now.  Boy, when I retired, I retired.   Small tabs to keep every thing aligned. All metal will be tied together with bonding wire that can be plugged and unplugged for shielding and folding. It just simply is a fact that I don't have any room to store a fixed pyramid. It will be square, it will be dimensioned correctly and I hope workable.  I know Thomas hates "works" of art, but I have just a little bit of art in me and want it to be presentable.

It is hot as hell here in FL, USA to, in low 90's F with heat indexes over 100F every day......not a fun time of year to be outside. 

Thanks for the drawings, will look at them carefully, and I'm sure learn a bit more about the CAD system.  I have forgotten so much but it is coming back fast.......

"Ain't we having fun?"

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on July 30, 2011, 10:19:11 AM
@Pascuser . Back in the year2006/7 I believe that Thomas said that the dimensions given [ base 1 meter square , diagonals 1 meter] were the internal dimentions of the inside of the plasterboard [gypse] shell . If this is true , would this give a "focus" [centre of gravity] at exactly 25 cms from the floor ?

I did the calculations with dimensions that I could read in the messages written by Thomas explaining how he built his pyramid in 1.2 Frame and 1.3 Coat messages given here by duff:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11068.msg294461#msg294461

In this message we see that edges of the pyramid (going from apex to corners of the square base) are 1 meter long, as the square base edges; and this is the same information in his videos where he says it and says that he has 60° angles (not possible if the square base has 1 meter edges and edges from apex are shorter).

"Mark exactly 1000mm from the bottom of our Metalsquare (in the corners) to the 3/8" Tube and mark it from each Corner."
"If you measure from the absolutely Bottom of the 20/20 ground-structure (without wood-plate) to the TOP, you have to measure exactly 100 cm. (on the Corners)"

So, the inside of plasterboard that should read 1 meter for edges, is only the inside laid on the edges of the pyramid; but the plasterboard is longer since it goes to the ground, 20mm in the bottom more.
But at the height of the square base, the plasterboard are 1 meter edges triangles exactly, for the inside. Outside is greater.

"Now, we have to find the Centerpoint of all the 4 gypsum-plates. You can use a circle (tool) to mark the Centerpoint of each side of the pyramid.
Please don't forget, that you have to use the TOTAL MEASUREMENT of every side. (That's, because the outsides of the pyramid are more than 1000mm now!!!!)"

I made all calculations here using these informations (written in english):
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(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/636662page07.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636662page07.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/580240page08.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=580240page08.jpg)

The last picture is the interesting one, where I give the summary of the work.
Because of the use of the tube for the pyramid height, there is a small imperfection and the focus point of the inside plasterborad is at 24.6cm

If there was not this imperfection, it would be at the height 24.2cm

As the plasterboard doesn't go to the apex of the pyramid (there is a cut) the focus point must be somewhere between these two positions, depending where the plasterboard cut has been made.

Formulas in this summary will help anybody to calculate his focus point for his pyramid.



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on July 30, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
I did the calculations with dimensions that I could read in the messages written by Thomas explaining how he built his pyramid in 1.2 Frame and 1.3 Coat messages given here by duff:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11068.msg294461#msg294461

In this message we see that edges of the pyramid (going from apex to corners of the square base) are 1 meter long, as the square base edges; and this is the same information in his videos where he says it and says that he has 60° angles (not possible if the square base has 1 meter edges and edges from apex are shorter).

"Mark exactly 1000mm from the bottom of our Metalsquare (in the corners) to the 3/8" Tube and mark it from each Corner."
"If you measure from the absolutely Bottom of the 20/20 ground-structure (without wood-plate) to the TOP, you have to measure exactly 100 cm. (on the Corners)"

So, the inside of plasterboard that should read 1 meter for edges, is only the inside laid on the edges of the pyramid; but the plasterboard is longer since it goes to the ground, 20mm in the bottom more.
But at the height of the square base, the plasterboard are 1 meter edges triangles exactly, for the inside. Outside is greater.

"Now, we have to find the Centerpoint of all the 4 gypsum-plates. You can use a circle (tool) to mark the Centerpoint of each side of the pyramid.
Please don't forget, that you have to use the TOTAL MEASUREMENT of every side. (That's, because the outsides of the pyramid are more than 1000mm now!!!!)"

I made all calculations here using these informations (written in english):
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/767180page01.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=767180page01.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/818236page02.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=818236page02.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/710990page03.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=710990page03.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/959659page04.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=959659page04.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/870290page05.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=870290page05.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/636176page06.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636176page06.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/636662page07.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=636662page07.jpg)
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/580240page08.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=580240page08.jpg)

The last picture is the interesting one, where I give the summary of the work.
Because of the use of the tube for the pyramid height, there is a small imperfection and the focus point of the inside plasterborad is at 24.6cm

If there was not this imperfection, it would be at the height 24.2cm

As the plasterboard doesn't go to the apex of the pyramid (there is a cut) the focus point must be somewhere between these two positions, depending where the plasterboard cut has been made.

Formulas in this summary will help anybody to calculate his focus point for his pyramid.

Good Morning Pascuser,

Damned good work, I felt like I was back in Trig. class!.  I think you have covered it to perfection and answered all question!  I'm working on my folding Pyramid today waiting for parts from Thomas. As funny as it sounds, it will take me 3-4 days to complete it as it takes time for materials to dry, etc. Will post pictures of basic unit ASAP.  After I chose my 1/4" Gypsum board, (weight considerations) I found a 1/2" gypsum board that has bare gypsum on one side.  I wonder if the paper coating has any effect on it's output.  We will know when we get these devices working.


I so look forward to the first replication that works!!!!!  Whomever, wherever, it makes no difference to me!!!!!!  Keep at it all!


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on July 31, 2011, 07:38:43 AM
good day
Which is better to use drywall - simple - or mineral?
In recent years, many have abandoned the Architectural project, what reasons?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 01, 2011, 01:40:30 PM
good day
Which is better to use drywall - simple - or mineral?
In recent years, many have abandoned the Architectural project, what reasons?

Good Morning Zhak,

I had the same question to Thomas this morning.  He said "either will work just as well", It doesn't make any difference.
Picking up/cutting my drywall today.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 01, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
@K4ZEP.Hi Ben . I am struggling this week . my computer id down , and I am sending this from the public library . A thing many people are still strugling with is those measurements . The problem is explained fully with a diagram on the "Background " thread . A useful question to ask Thomas would be . " do the plasterboard panels have to be a perfect equilateral triangle . " I personally feel that that degree of acuracy is not necessary , but the uncertainty is probably stopping a lot of replications . I feel like a fish out of water without my computer . I look forward to catching up later in the week . Good luck with your research everyone .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 01, 2011, 03:19:20 PM
@K4ZEP.Hi Ben . I am struggling this week . my computer id down , and I am sending this from the public library . A thing many people are still strugling with is those measurements . The problem is explained fully with a diagram on the "Background " thread . A useful question to ask Thomas would be . " do the plasterboard panels have to be a perfect equilateral triangle . " I personally feel that that degree of acuracy is not necessary , but the uncertainty is probably stopping a lot of replications . I feel like a fish out of water without my computer . I look forward to catching up later in the week . Good luck with your research everyone .

Good Morning Neptune,

Good luck on your computer.  When they work and they work for years, they are great, when they fail, you feel naked. 

I believe if you build it as Thomas has said and shown in the videos, it will be good enough.  Next time I Skype him, I will discuss this more and see his feelings on the question. But I believe reasonable workmanship will prevail and it is worth a try.  When you build a pyramid, all the little bits and pieces add up.  Sometime you have to put your money where your mouth is and just do it, or do it the best you can. In a good shop, I could make a work of art, in a condo, it will be what it is!  Failure is ALWAYS an option and the best way to learn.  IF my first Pyramid is wrong and Thomas finds a glaring deficiency, I will build a second on and so on.  Remember how many tries it took for Thomas Edison to build the first light bulb!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 01, 2011, 08:31:24 PM
Ben K4ZEP
Thank you for your reply
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 01, 2011, 08:59:53 PM

Remember how many tries it took for Thomas Edison to build the first light bulb!!!!!

should read:
Remember how many tries it took for Thomas Edison to replicate the first light bulb!!!!! LOL
http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/edison.asp
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 02, 2011, 12:16:40 AM
should read:
Remember how many tries it took for Thomas Edison to replicate the first light bulb!!!!! LOL
http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/edison.asp

Truth is always stranger than fiction!!! 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 02, 2011, 12:59:42 PM
can not argue
Thomas Edison did not create the incandescent light bulb, he did upgraded.
It was created before it
http://www.energy-etc.ru/content/materials/index515-183-page3.html
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tjlitke on August 04, 2011, 03:52:00 AM
Anybody seeing any OU yet from replications?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 04, 2011, 04:18:30 AM
Anybody seeing any OU yet from replications?

Hi tjlitke,

No one seems to have a working one yet.  But several are close I think.  I'm working on my Pyramid itself, and waiting from the
parts package from Thomas.  Just remember TT has been building these for 15 years and built hundreds of reactors and is still learning too.  Keep at it all.  I'll have some more pictures in a few days of my pyramid.  Decided not to make it fold-able but it will be very lightweight.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 04, 2011, 02:51:21 PM
Hi guys  from a newcomer to this forum.

I saw all TPP videos: great video work !!!

It seems wonderful  but as an old electrical engineer and modelist i have some questions in mind:
- the voltage shown on the video ( 7.8V to 8.2V) is very near the voltage i observe when i use 2S (= 2 elements each 3.6V) LIPO battery fully charged. The decrease of voltage in the video when a load is added to the first fan is similar  when one draw some Amps from such a Lipo Battery  (it is possible to draw  some 10 A from a Lipo battery without significative voltage dropout)
-two or three  2200mAh 2S Lipo batteries in parallel, can fit inside the reactor tube, making a total of more than 6Ah capacity => it is enough to run the fans during 10 hours without problem
-cabling is coherent if the + and - of the internal Lipo battery are connected to each output of the inner coil: we get the battery voltage in parallel to the fan.
- it would be interesting to show what happen when the fan connections are shorted: if a battery is inside some 50 to 60 Amps could be seen and LIpo will be fired (beware not to do that inside your home).

There is two possibilities:
1) it's a fake: but what a huge work to do that !!!!!
2) some unkown phenomenum is working here

The only solution is then to build one (or to visit the inventor in Austria):
- if it works: the result is only usefull for me (no mean to convince others via videos and forum)
- if it fails: it does'nt prove anything , one can tell my system is not correctly built, oriented, synchronized,...

Then i intend to build one:
1) first i build a reactor with sand (seems critical) and observe the test voltage of the reactor , in standalone way: if success go to step 2
2) i locate a river line in my  basement: dowser??
3) i build the pyramid

Note: the pyramid seems heavy: i suggest putting some small wheels under the base corners to move or orient it.


Regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 04, 2011, 05:48:21 PM
Slow steps to collect the details of TPP.
Turner has done his job.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 04, 2011, 09:28:18 PM
Hi Zhak , nice pictures . It looks like you got your turner or lathe man to modify some off the shelf fittings . Are you in the UK ? Are the finished end caps a fairly tight fit in the large copper tube ? To help others , could you please tell us where you bought these fittings , what they are called , and the approximate cost please ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 05, 2011, 01:12:08 PM
Hi
I live in Russia, Sochi
Fittings - Hose adapter is 3 \ 4 (brass)
Turner it shortened, changed the diameter of the inner and outer
Cost $ 1x1, on the iron - clothing market.
But like you can buy in store.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 05, 2011, 01:33:02 PM
Hi zhak (from France),

i have started the process of procurement of copper tubes, sand etc.. some work for this WE.

Have you foreseen some mean to locate a point on the ground above river line to make the pyramid working?

When finished, i intend  to try the reactor alone with a microammeter (old analog one: no electronics, 20µA range DC) connected to the inner coil side an through the outer coil (same as final scheme).

If something is collected from earth (i assumeTPP reactor works), by walking around as a pendulum it sould be possible to detect a (maximum) signal for the pyramide best position.

Any suggestions ?
Thank you


Kind regards.
croco31

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 05, 2011, 02:28:23 PM
I have a river near there!
I'll look under the ground (there is even such water in the desert)
method lozohodstvo
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CB%EE%E7%EE%F5%EE%E4%F1%F2%E2%EE
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 05, 2011, 02:31:04 PM
Lucky quartz sand will give me a bag (free).
It deteriorated in stock at the store, became wet
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 05, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
Hi All,

Working on my light weight Pyramid.  Behind is the base, front is the LH side, 1/4" Gypsum with edges done in steel/paper tape for
the electrostatic shield.  Takes time to get it right, but it will be done in a few more days.  I'm just quiet as I'm plodding along.  Working in the hallway of our Condo., very patient wife!!!!!  Worlds smallest lab and all that stuff!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 05, 2011, 05:41:57 PM
@K4ZEP . Looks like fine work , and I like the way you work around problems . I was looking at brass fittings in a plummers merchants today , trying to find an off the shelf component that would serve as an end cap / reducer . I looked at a thing called a 28 mm end cap [compression . Although a bit bulky , this could be easily modified to do the job . It fits over the outside of the large tube . There is a gland nut or threaded ring that crushes an olive on the outside of the pipe to hold things together , but we could dispense with the nut and the olive , and just tape it in position . It is different to TT`s set up in that it fits over the outside of the pipe as opposed to plugging inside the end . One would of course have to drill the 10mm hole for the inner pipe . Based on your own theory as to why the brass is necessary , do you think this part would work ?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 05, 2011, 06:29:18 PM
Ben K4ZEP
Very high quality and stylish
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 05, 2011, 06:33:54 PM
Ben K4ZEP
Very high quality and stylish

Спасибо

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 05, 2011, 06:41:08 PM
@K4ZEP . Looks like fine work , and I like the way you work around problems . I was looking at brass fittings in a plummers merchants today , trying to find an off the shelf component that would serve as an end cap / reducer . I looked at a thing called a 28 mm end cap [compression . Although a bit bulky , this could be easily modified to do the job . It fits over the outside of the large tube . There is a gland nut or threaded ring that crushes an olive on the outside of the pipe to hold things together , but we could dispense with the nut and the olive , and just tape it in position . It is different to TT`s set up in that it fits over the outside of the pipe as opposed to plugging inside the end . One would of course have to drill the 10mm hole for the inner pipe . Based on your own theory as to why the brass is necessary , do you think this part would work ?

Hi Neptune,

Do you have a picture?  I don't know for sure but Thomas says "without the brass end cap between the two copper tubes it will not work". For some reason it appears that there has to be a dissimilar metal between the two tubes and I do not know why exactly as of now.  IF you can get a snug fit on the outside and a snug fit for the 10mm tube, it MIGHT work......

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on August 05, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
[...]
 I was looking at brass fittings in a plummers merchants today , trying to find an off the shelf component that would serve as an end cap / reducer . I looked at a thing called a 28 mm end cap [compression . Although a bit bulky , this could be easily modified to do the job . It fits over the outside of the large tube . There is a gland nut or threaded ring that crushes an olive on the outside of the pipe to hold things together , but we could dispense with the nut and the olive , and just tape it in position . It is different to TT`s set up in that it fits over the outside of the pipe as opposed to plugging inside the end . One would of course have to drill the 10mm hole for the inner pipe
[...]

hi neptune

i've found something in B&Q that looks possible - a "1/2 inch tail for hose union"  (about £1.50 iirc)

it just fits over a 24mm OD copper pipe and has a 15mm ID hole in end

however, it is bronze, by the looks of it - not brass

not sure if the dimensions are critical tho'?

anyway, just thought i'd mention it, in case it helps!

greetings all
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 05, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
Hi NP , Ben . I will have a look in B and Q tomorrow . In the absence of the identical part , something modifiable . would be useful . The endcap I looked at would be a snug fit , almost watertight without the gland nut and olive . It is interesting that 2 dissimilar metals are needed . And brass is as close to copper as you can get , because it is of course largely copper with zinc added . In the future , a combination of metals might be found that are far superior , but who knows . Another fact . In TT`s reactor , the lower end cap is soldered in place . So it is quite possible that the brass is not actually in contact with the copper . What I planning to do ,if I can get suitable parts ,is to build a reactor and try "conditioning " the sand . I have collected some sand from a local beach at Skegness . It is very fine , and almost white when dry . Hopefully some of these questions will be answered when TT`s parts are delivered .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on August 05, 2011, 11:20:29 PM
  If the beach sand has salt in it, it can be washed out, before baking it.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on August 05, 2011, 11:52:04 PM
Hy,

I´ve got two nice fotos for you:

1. Reactorcoil by normal Light
2. Reactorcoil by darkness with HV
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 06, 2011, 07:32:15 AM
Do we know EXACTLY what type of brass alloy we are looking for? There is some 25 standard formulations!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 06, 2011, 11:09:16 AM
Hello.
Have a question about which there is no information!
This is the bottom hole, glue it to patch?
If it is left open that silica sand would wake up through the hole 5mm
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 06, 2011, 11:27:13 AM
2. Reactorcoil by darkness with HV
Hi Erdtaucher,
very good shot ;)
Do you have  experience with brass, some results?
I still would not have brass bushings.
I'm also impatient to see results.
But for the time being absent from my house.

regards madsatbg

p.s. I did so
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 06, 2011, 04:51:52 PM
@nul-points . Thanks for looking , but I feel that the BandQ part will not quite do the job . This part will be a problem for many builders worldwide .We do not know just which dimensions of the part are critical and which are not . At this stage I dint feel inclined to pay for lathework until I know just what I need . What would be good is if a member in Austria could find a source of the exact part in Austria or perhaps Germany and sell them on to other members . No one would mind if he made a small profit to cover expenses .
@Erdtaucher . Any news from Freigeist yet ? has he got his parts from TT yet ?
    What I might do is to buy the 28mm stop end caps for early experiments and see what happens .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 06, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
@nul-points . Thanks for looking , but I feel that the BandQ part will not quite do the job . This part will be a problem for many builders worldwide .We do not know just which dimensions of the part are critical and which are not . At this stage I dint feel inclined to pay for lathework until I know just what I need . What would be good is if a member in Austria could find a source of the exact part in Austria or perhaps Germany and sell them on to other members . No one would mind if he made a small profit to cover expenses .
@Erdtaucher . Any news from Freigeist yet ? has he got his parts from TT yet ?
    What I might do is to buy the 28mm stop end caps for early experiments and see what happens .

Hi Neptune,

While waiting for parts from Thomas and working on my Pyramid, I have on order 6 brass plugs from a online machine shop.  Should be here in a couple more weeks.  They will fit the standard 1.25" copper and 1/2" OD inner copper.  Am eagerly awaiting the parts to compare with the nominal inch material.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 06, 2011, 09:13:48 PM
Hi Ben.From what you say , I suppose that half inch copper pipe is the nearest common thing in the USA to the 10 mm pipe . Half inch was used widely in the UK until we went metric , and was replaced by 15 mm . Ten mm pipe became common due to the introduction of "Microbore" central heating , and is commonly available in a coil which you have to straighten . Regarding your end plugs . Are these just a simple stepped cylinder , or is the inner end hollowed to form a sort of cup like TT`s?
    I found some different 28mm end stops on another site , that are far less bulky . If you leave off the gland nut and olive [brass sealing ring ] They look like the endcaps TT uses on his plastic pipe except they are brass , and have thread on the outside . They cost about £4 each . They are not available in town , so it will have to be mail order . Regards ken .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 06, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
Hi Ben.From what you say , I suppose that half inch copper pipe is the nearest common thing in the USA to the 10 mm pipe . Half inch was used widely in the UK until we went metric , and was replaced by 15 mm . Ten mm pipe became common due to the introduction of "Microbore" central heating , and is commonly available in a coil which you have to straighten . Regarding your end plugs . Are these just a simple stepped cylinder , or is the inner end hollowed to form a sort of cup like TT`s?
    I found some different 28mm end stops on another site , that are far less bulky . If you leave off the gland nut and olive [brass sealing ring ] They look like the endcaps TT uses on his plastic pipe except they are brass , and have thread on the outside . They cost about £4 each . They are not available in town , so it will have to be mail order . Regards ken .

Hi Ken,

What I have on order is solid 1/2" deep plugs not hollowed out, with a 1/16" lip, outside of lip same diameter as outside of 1.25 copper tube  and is on one end to prevent the slug from sliding in to the large tube and  of course a 1/2" hole in the center.  Had two choices of brass, they said they would use whichever they had on hand in the confirmation.  Will show pictures of them when they come in.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on August 06, 2011, 11:39:27 PM
Hello !  :D


MAMELON laiton  réduit M 20 x 27 - M 15 x 21
http://www.economo.fr/rg/MAMELON-REDUIT-Reduction-Laiton-M-20-x-27---M-15-x-21.html

External 20/27 is 26mm (it’s OK), but internal 15/21 is 11mm… and not 10 mm

**
Bouchon laiton
http://www.flashplomberie.com/bouchons/98-bouchon-laiton-male.html

It’s OK, but we have to make a hole of 10 mm in the center

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on August 07, 2011, 01:59:48 AM
To madsatbg:

I´m sorry, but i didn´t have found a place for my paramide yet, but next weekend a dowser come to find a place.
By the way, I found out why the reactor works and other ways to inform, but i cannot post, because i need to test these modified reactors before. It also could be that i am totally wrong (but i don´t think so, made too many tests).



To neptune:

May be you could take a end-cap with 3/4 Zoll screwing. Drill a 10mm hole in it and you have a perfect fitting, because the 3/4 Zoll screwing fits exactly into the 28mm tube.
Please, take a look at the photo:
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 07, 2011, 04:33:34 PM
@Erdtaucher . The end caps shown in your photo look good for the reactor . But they are not available here in England [UK] .What is the cost in Germany [if that is your country} ?
     Your news about new ways to "inform " the reactor is very exiting . Perhaps you would like to share this with us on the "Background " thread so that others could help with the research on this . I Know that Thomas uses the word "inform " , but this is not the best word to use in English .Inform means " to tell or give information to " .There are many words to better discribe the process . Exite , Activate , condition ,or maybe just "Form" . But if you still wish to say "Inform " that is Good too . We kow what you mean , and your English is much better than my German {Zero !] Regards , Ken .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on August 07, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
to neptune:

please give me some more time, before i will tell.
You also could say "christal coil building process" if you don´t like to say "inform".
The pieces i showed cost about 1,50€ each.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 07, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
neptune:
You need to find a good master - turner
They often work with brass.
He will make an excellent plug in your size.
And it will cost a 1 bottle of vodka or whiskey
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 08, 2011, 11:56:22 AM
Hi alls,
after some hours in my workshop this WE, here is some .pdf info of my work.
It is not easy to find the right item for edges of the inner reactor.
Suggestions are welcome.

Kind regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 08, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
HI
some plan .pdf for V1.0 inner reactor built this WE.
I am looking now for sand: i got some 200g sample of swimming pool sand at Casto (hardware supplier in France) : minimum 5% silicea (SiO2 = quartz) is garantied on the bag (10Kg for 8 Euros!!).
It looks similar with sand shown on TT videos.
I think sand used for swimming pools is from the same source in Europe.

Any ideas or reference  ?

Kind regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: a.king21 on August 08, 2011, 05:22:20 PM
Hi,  croco31

PLease do NOT use copper reducers. They will NOT work.
Trawoeger has already tested this version.
Please use brass reducers for now.
Try looking for parts in a SCRAP  YARD.

Remember, Brass does not conduct a magnetic field. This is important to remember.

Good luck, I am  looking forward to your replication.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 08, 2011, 07:05:44 PM
@ Crock31 , As you have already built your reactor , why not do some initial tests with it as it is . after all , you do have some brass separating the inner and outer tubes , and at this stage nobody knows just how much bbrass is needed .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 08, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
@ Crock31 , As you have already built your reactor , why not do some initial tests with it as it is . after all , you do have some brass separating the inner and outer tubes , and at this stage nobody knows just how much bbrass is needed .

Hi Neptune,

Received shipping notification on my Brass Plugs from eMachineShop online.  Should have them in 3-4 days.  Pyramid will be ready by then, first skim coat in prep for painting, so it is all coming together about the same time.  Have two nice BB fans coming too will be here about the same time.  Now if those parts get here from TT, we will be in great shape!  Want to build up a little box with the fan, a extra lamp load, a aux output all by switches and my own idea of an different driver/exciter for the pyramid.  Will show all in due time IF it works......Pictures of Pyramid in a couple more days........It will be "bright"..... ;D
Win, loose or draw, it will be fun to look at!

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 09, 2011, 12:32:23 AM
Hi all,
Thanks Erdtaucher,
that sent me from his quartz sand to make comparison.
I did end-cap of brass as Erdtaucher.
Measured voltage of the reactor after molding is 2,47 volts AC.
But fans did not manage to turn.
Perhaps this is due to the fact that I have not strictly complied with the reactor size.
I will make new reactor following the instructions.
Attempts continue...

regards  madsatbg

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: NickZ on August 09, 2011, 03:33:15 AM
  Madsatbg:
   The voltage of just the reactor is 2.7 volts. Can you tell us what is the mA?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on August 09, 2011, 04:28:18 AM
Hy madsatbg,

I hope the sand I´ve sent you is working well in your reactor. I compared the sands and the sand from you works better.

I´m looking forward to the weekend, than the dowser will come and looks for paramide places, than we can make real compares  ;)

The time till the dowser comes, i will do funny things, look at the picture
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 09, 2011, 09:07:15 AM
Hello
Need Help!
When appropriate stage of the reactor filled with sand it must be connected to the radio station ?
What radio station can be replaced?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 09, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
Thank you A.KIng21 for your info,

you are right, the best way for us is to replicate EXACTLY what TT has done, then after variations and experiments could be done.
OK, I keep my first version apart for future experiments (my upper cap is not very good anyway) : my 1m tubes ( 3x33cm) allows me to build two other versions.

Two things i noticed in the TT design:
- on the bottom side of reactor the brass (=copper+zinc) cap is soldered ( =copper+tin solder  + lead if not RoHs compliant or some silver if RoHs ) on the inner copper tube: this is a good electrical contact
- on the top the brass cap is just inserted to contain the sand (without compression not to change its structure) and fixed with adhesive tape only: not a very good contact if we take into account copper or brass oxidation.

It would be nice to avoid any soldering (to build easily the inner coil and trim the coil center).
I wonder if using a brass screw (soldered  on the outside of the brass cap)   and bicone on  to mechanically maintain the inner tube is adequate ?
In practice bicone will make a good electrical contact with copper: it is ok for the bottom edge (replaces the soldering the inner tube) if electrical contact is the key of success (not the presence of the others metals: tin+lead or silver).

Regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 09, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
  Madsatbg:
   The voltage of just the reactor is 2.7 volts. Can you tell us what is the mA?
The voltage is radiant, orgone or as he called the zero point energy.
This can not directly illuminate even LED, need to be transformed into
usually / "hot" / electricity.
For this purpose it is necessary a "reactor", which for now "refuse" to convert.So I imagine his work.

Hy madsatbg,
I hope the sand I´ve sent you is working well in your reactor...

Hello Erdtaucher,
I did several loads of reactor.
But with a little deviation of the received voltage.
So now I can not say definitely of quartz sand that has improved or not
maybe when work as a whole pyramid... ;D

regards  madsatbg
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 09, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
Hi Matsatbg,

your multimeter show 2.479V AC.
For conventional physics it is very strange and unbelievable:
- where is connected  the ground of the multimeter ?
- what is the shape and frequency of the signal?
We must be very carefull with such high impedance measurement tool (>10Meghoms): it can collect anything from parasitic line grid effects.
Have you done the same measurement in different inner reactor conditions and same external conditions:
- reactor empty: no sand
- reactor filled with same sand but not activated
- reactor filled with same activated sand ?

Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: oscar on August 09, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
....What radio station can be replaced?....
Hi zhak,
if you don't have the ham-radio equipment to energize the reactor you can use a special transformer that makes high voltage.
The first image in this posting shows such a transformer:
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.msg23628#msg23628

Also see Thomas' video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeHLYJLE60c
where he shows such a transformer.

In the country where i live this type of transformer is used to ignite central-heating systems that run on oil/diesel. This type of transformer typically has an output of several kV (kiloVolt) and run from the normal mains electricity system. So input is 220V @ 50/60Hz and output ca. 5 kV @ 50/60Hz.

If you find such a transformer you must only connect ONE wire from the transformer to the inner coil of the reactor. The other wire of the transfomer's secondary must remain non-connected.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 09, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
What can I activate the sand at home?
This must be done or not?



And please excuse my bad english. I work as a translator
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 09, 2011, 12:13:39 PM
Hi Matsatbg,

your multimeter show 2.479V AC.
For conventional physics it is very strange and unbelievable:
- where is connected  the ground of the multimeter ?

- reactor empty: no sand
- reactor filled with same sand but not activated
- reactor filled with same activated sand ?

Regards.
Hi croco31,

yes, very strange.Magic  ;D , so we can not repeat many attempts. :'(
This is not conventional physics. ???
Yes, I did it different measurements.
Please look here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11068.195

@zhak

I used neon transformer 3000 v 32 kHz.
But when using 6000 volts, here's what happened: :'(

regards  madsatbg ;)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 09, 2011, 12:47:16 PM
@madsatbg . When using high AC voltage to activate the sand ,follow the advice of Ben K4ZEP . Only use one output wire from the transformer , connected to the coil . Do NOT connect the other wire to the copper parts .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 09, 2011, 12:47:30 PM
And not very well-received
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 09, 2011, 12:52:57 PM
@Zhak . You MUST activate the sand . You can use High voltage AC . Working with high voltage is very dangerous . If you do not know how to do it , get help from an electrician . You could use the transformer from a microwave oven . This gives 2000 to 2300 volts . Connect only one wire from transformer to reactor .If you get it wrong it will kill you .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 09, 2011, 12:58:11 PM
FREIGEIST
K4ZEP
MADSATBG
ERDTAUCHER
PASCUSER

Looking through the video and TPPV12TutorialDeutschTeil1.pdf Thomas argues that the copper pipe 10mm and 40mm plastic wire dangle to one side in a clockwise direction, but on video he shakes in the opposite direction.
Because right?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 09, 2011, 01:05:46 PM
neptune
Thank you for your assistance and prevention
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 09, 2011, 04:29:05 PM
@Zhak . When winding the two coils , one on the copper tube , and one on the plastic tube , The important thing is that both coils are wound the same . It can be clockwise or anticlockwise [counterclockwise] , it is not impertant which . I hope this answers your question .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 10, 2011, 09:30:48 AM


The time till the dowser comes, i will do funny things, look at the picture

Nice ELECTRO-HOOKA LOL
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Erdtaucher on August 10, 2011, 11:07:29 AM
To TEKTRON:


 ;D :D ;D Yes  :o ??? ::) 8) I´m  :-\ ??? ::) sand  ;D ;D ;D flashed  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on August 11, 2011, 08:44:21 AM
maybe if you all have problems with the tuning of the
coil capacitor, maybe just replace it with a variable capacitor
made out of alufoil ?

See here:

http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/els/varelec-el.htm

It goes up into the uF range !


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 11, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
Hi,
i have found a standard plumber item (it's easy to find at least in France) to make 28mm  brass end cap where the 28mm pipe is inserted.
One doesn't need to solder also (but it  is possible if needed for reactor to work).

see attached .pdf.

Now i have to solve the quartz sand selection, procurement and activation.

Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 11, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
and some plan.
Regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 11, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
Hi,
i am interested in some references for quartz sand in France/Europe:
- provider name, source
- any data on sand composition
- color: picture

What is the better choice ?
Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 11, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
As a source of well-known company can offer KARCHER.
The store should look for "Everything for the garden"
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: wings on August 11, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Golden Ratio Discovered in Quantum World: Hidden Symmetry Observed for the First Time in Solid State Matter:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107143909.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107143909.htm)

The Great Piramid was designed to comform to Golden Ratio?
http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-geometry/the-great-pyramid/index.php (http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-geometry/the-great-pyramid/index.php)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 11, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Hi All,

Received my Brass end plugs from eMachineShop today.  VERY nice work, I can measure and they can turn it out exactly as drawn.  Rather expensive but worth it!  Fits like a glove inside the 1.25 copper pipe and the 1/2" OD inner pipe.  Can make up a nice reactor now.  Have all or most of parts to finish.

Pyramid will be done in a day or two.  Fitting stress washers for tie wraps today, paint tomorrow, put it together the next few days.

I see the end of the tunnel.

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on August 11, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
Электричество_Калашников_2003  http://depositfiles.com/files/ale4lkelo
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 11, 2011, 11:47:54 PM
Электричество_Калашников_2003  http://depositfiles.com/files/ale4lkelo

Downloaded files, installed plug in on my mac.  Opens but nothing there!  Arrrrrrrrrr.

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 12, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Hi All,

Pyramid almost ready for paint.  Held together by 6 tie-wraps.  Still have to mount the hanger for the "reactor", a little touch up,
then inside gray and outside "Canary Yellow" paint, just for the heck of it.  It is not sitting on the bottom frame in these pictures,
frame is behind the pyramid.

First picture:  Side view.
Second picture, top and back.
Third picture, inside back right hand corner showing the tie-wraps.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 12, 2011, 05:58:19 AM
Downloaded files, installed plug in on my mac.  Opens but nothing there!  Arrrrrrrrrr.

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP

Ben, I hope you can translate 625 pages of Russian, I converted the file to PDF.

File name: ELEKTRICESTVO_S.G.KALASNIKOV.pdf File size: 29.08 MB (http://www.fileserve.com/file/D8KZuQV/ELEKTRICESTVO_S.G.KALASNIKOV.pdf) 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 12, 2011, 07:02:55 AM
Ben K4ZEP
good at it
Only the skeleton is better to paint separately from gypsum plasterboard
Ben you say "light at the end tunnel"?
Perhaps this is the beginning, but on the other hand (the beginning of the new features)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 12, 2011, 07:13:36 AM
link
Электричество_Калашников_2003  http://depositfiles.com/files/ale4lkelo
high school physics
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 12, 2011, 07:36:27 AM
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MOSCOW
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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From the preface to the first edition
ELECTRIC FIELD
Chapter I. Electric charges 11
§ 1. Introduction to A1). § 2. The law of interaction of electric-
charges A2). § 3. Absolute electrostatic system of units
A5). § 4. The International System of Units (SI) A6). § 5. Galve-
Galvanic cells A8). § 6. Electrifying as charge separation
A9). § 7. Electrons A9).
Chapter II. The electric field of 21
§ 8. The concept of an electric field, B1). § 9. Tension
electric field B2). § 10. The addition of electric fields
B4). § 11. Volume and surface charge density, B4).
§ 12. The lines of the electric field B5). § 13. Theo-
Theorem Gauss-Ostrogradskii B9). § 14. Poisson equation C6).
§ 15. Dipole in an electric field C8).
Chapter III. The potential difference 40
§ 16. Work in the electrostatic field D0). § 17. The difference in
potentials D1). § 18. Conditions of equilibrium of charges in conductors
D4). § 19. The potential difference and the field D4). § 20.
Equipotential surfaces D6). § 21. Measure the voltage
voltage between the conductors D7). § 22. Normal elements D9).
§ 23. Electric probe E0). § 24. Potential in the simplest elec-
electric fields E1). § 25. Calculation of capacity in a given field
given charge E3). § 26. The general problem of electrostatics E5). § 27.
Conductors in an electric field E7). § 28. Accurate testing for-
Coulomb's law E8). § 29. Tip F0). § 30. Electrostatic re-
generator F1).
Chapter IV. The energy of the electric field 63
§ 31. Capacitance F3). § 32. Capacity simple capacitor
capacitors F4). § 33. The method of images F8). § 34. Energy
charged capacitor F9). § 35. The connection of capacitors


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G0). § 36. Complex capacitors G2). § 37. The energy of the electric
electric field G4).
Chapter V. Dielectrics 77
§ 38. Polarization of dielectrics G7). § 39. Polarity (80).
§ 40. The electric field inside the dielectric
(83). § 41. Electric displacement in a dielectric (85). § 42. Iso-
Isotropic and anisotropic dielectrics (88). § 43. Refraction is-
bias lines and the field strength (89). § 44. The laws of electric
electric field in the insulators (90). § 45. Mechanical forces on in-
the presence of insulators (93). § 46. Electron theory of polarization
insulators (94). § 47. The dielectric constant of non-polar
non-polar dielectrics (96). § 48. The dielectric constant in
polar dielectrics (98). § 49. Determination of the dipole moments
molecules (99). § 50. Ferroelectrics A01). § 51. Piezoelectric
The piezoelectric effect A04). § 52. Inverse piezoelectric effect
(PO).
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§ 53. The characteristics of electric current A15). § 54. Equation
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current. Joule-Lenz A36). § 66. Energy released in
galvanic cell A38). § 67. Electromotive force of galvanic
galvanic cell A38). § 68. Terminal voltage sources
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Current A43). § 70. Branched chain. Kirchhoff's rules A46).
§ 71. Power in the external circuit and the efficiency of action
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Chapter VIII. The magnetic field of currents in the vacuum of 162
§ 75. The magnetic interaction of currents A62). § 76. The magnetic in-
induction of A64). § 77. The absolute electromagnetic unit system,
Units A68). § 78. Magnetic constant A70). § 79. Tension
magnetic field A71). § 80. The lines of magnetic induction
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§ 94. The magnetic permeability material B05). § 95. Disappearance
and the establishment of the current B06).
Chapter X. The energy of the magnetic field 208
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Field B10). § 98. Mutual induction of B12). § 99. Mutual energy
two currents B14). § 100. The law of conservation of energy in the presence of
magnetic field B15). § 101. Kia mechanical strength in the magnetic field
B18). § 102. Pressure and tension of the Faraday-Maxwell B21).
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magnetic field inside the magnet B24). § 105. Magnetic induction in
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Magnetic charges. The formal theory of magnetism B47). § 114. Influence
environment on the magnetic interaction of B53). § 115. The nature of the molecule
molecular currents B55). § 116. Magnetomechanical and mehanomag-
nitnos phenomenon B57). § 117. Magnetic and mechanical moments
electron B59). § 118. Explanation of para-and diamagnetism B61).
§ 119. Explanation of ferromagnetism B65).
Chapter XII. Technical use of magnetic flux.
Generators and motors 271
§ 120. Magnetic circuit B71). § 121. Electromagnets B74).
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AC B78). § 124. DC generators B80).
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current B86). § 129. Vector diagram of B90). § 130. Rotating
magnetic field B93).
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magnetic fields. Maxwell's theory 296
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§ 136. Bias current C08). § 137. Maxwell's Equations C11).
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phenomena important to the relative motion of C20). § 142. Electro-
Electromagnetic induction in moving conductors C23). §] 43. Trans-
Lorentz transformation of C25).
Electronic and Ionic Phenomena
Chapter XIV. The nature of the electric current in metals and in-
semiconductors 329
§ 144. Measurement of the electron charge C29). § 145. The nature of carrier
charge carriers in metals C32). § 146. The reason electric co-
resistance to C34). § 147. Classical theory of electron-ME
Metal C36). § 148. Superconductivity C40). § 149. Limits
applicability of the classical electron theory of metals C44).
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§ 151. Semiconductors and dielectrics C48). § 152. Own
conductivity of semiconductors C50). § 153. Extrinsic conductivity
conductivity of semiconductors C52). § 154. The concept of energy
zones C54). § 155. Distribution of momentum and energy in electricity
electrons C59).
Chapter XV. Electric currents in vacuum 363
§ 156. Electron emission C63). § 157. The current-voltage char-
characteristic of a vacuum diode C64). § 158. Dependence of the current saturation
saturation temperature of C67). § 159. Tube-like you
rectifier C69). § 160. Three-electrode vacuum tube (three
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Electrical fluctuations in C77). § 163. Secondary electron
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Field emission C82).
Chapter XVI. Discharges in gases 383
§ 166. Ionization of gases C83). § 167. Ionization by electron impact
strikes C85). § 168. The movement of ions in gases C86). § 169. Non-self-
Combining self-discharge and C88). § 170. The occurrence of
The emergence of self-discharge C90). § 171. Glow discharge
C94). § 172. Corona discharge C97). § 173. Spark D00).
§ 174. Lightning D02). § 175. Arc D03). § 176. Stable
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§ 178. The motion of charged particles in a uniform electric
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charge / 3-particles D22). § 184. The measurement results for the share-
electron charge D24). § 185. Cyclotron (diamagnetic) resonance
resonance D25). § 186. The effective mass of D27). § 187. Reflection and
refraction of electron beams. Electron and ion optics
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§ 196. Decomposition voltage of the electrolyte D55). § 197. Accumulates,
Batteries D57).
Chapter XIX. Electrical phenomena in contacts of 459
§ 198. Contact potential difference D59). § 199. Thermo-
Thermo-D63). § 200. Peltier D67). § 201. Ef-
Effect Thomson D70). § 202. Thermoelectric applications D72).
§ 203. Electron-hole transitions in semiconductors, D73).
§ 204. Semiconductor diodes D78). § 205. Nonequilibrium electron
electrons and holes in semiconductors, D79). § 206. Semiconductor
Semiconductor amplifiers D82).
ELECTROMAGNETIC OSCILLATIONS AND WAVES
Chapter XX. Proper electrical fluctuations 485
§ 207. Proper electrical signal D85). § 208. Damping
Damping of the oscillations D88). § 209. The equation of its own electrical
oscillations. Fluctuations in the absence of damping, D90). § 210. Vi-
Fluctuations in the presence of damping D93). § 211. Maintenance of oscillations
oscillations. Spark circuit D96). § 212. Self-oscillatory systems
D97). § 213. The use of negative resistances D98).
§ 214. Tube generators. Feedback E00). § 215. Condition
self E03). § 216. Relaxation oscillations E05).
Chapter XXI. Forced electric vibrations. Re-
Alternating current 506
§ 217. Resistance in AC circuits, E07). § 218. Em-
Capacity in AC circuits, E08). § 219. Inductance in the circuit
AC E11). § 220. Ohm's law for alternating currents
E14). § 221. Resonance voltage E16). § 222. The establishment of co-
fluctuations E20). § 223. Work and power AC E22)


TABLE OF CONTENTS
§ 224. Branching alternating currents E25). § 225. Resonance currents
E27). § 226. Parametric resonance E30). § 227. Complex
value of E32). § 228. Complete resistance to E36).
Chapter XXII. Electromagnetic waves along wires. . . 541
§ 229. Distributed Systems E41). § 230 - Electromagnetic
pulse along the wires E42). § 231. Electromagnetic waves
E45). § 232. Standing electromagnetic waves E47). § 233. Sob-
Natural oscillations of a two-wire line E51). § 234. Experi-
Experimental study of standing electromagnetic waves E53).
§ 235. Open vibrator E55). § 236. Standing waves in coils
E56).
Chapter XXIII. Free electromagnetic waves 557
§ 237. The formation of free electromagnetic waves E57).
§ 238. The wave equation E58). § 239. Plane electromagnetic
electromagnetic waves E60). § 240. Properties of electromagnetic waves, E62).
§ 241. Experimental study of electromagnetic waves
E63). § 242, energy of electromagnetic waves E67). § 243. Ele-
Elementary dipole E71). § 244. The pressure of electromagnetic waves
E74). § 245. Momentum and mass of the electromagnetic field E75).
§ 246. Electromagnetic mass of the moving charge E79).
Chapter XXIV-application of electromagnetic waves for
communication 582
§ 247. The principle of radio E82). § 248. Modulation oscillations
E83). § 249. Transmitter E86). § 250. Demodulation oscillations
oscillations. Radio E88). § 251. Heterodyne reception E91).
§ 252. Superheterodyne E91). § 253. Semi-free
electromagnetic waves E93).
Adding 595
1. The theory of the experiments of Cavendish and Maxwell (§ 28) 595
2. The orientation of polar molecules in an electric field (§ 48). 598
3. Lilies of voltage and current (§ 61) 599
4. The method of loop currents (§ 70) 600
5. Maxwell relaxation time (§ 73) 601
6. Mutual energy of two currents (arbitrary contours) (§ 90). 602
7. Larmor's theorem (§ 115), 603
8. Law Boguslavsky Langmuir-604
9. The stability of electrical discharges (§ 176, 213) 605
10. An explanation of the cyclotron resonance (§ 185), 608
11. The electromagnetic field of a dipole (§ 243) 610
12. The pressure of electromagnetic waves (§ 244) 612
13. Gaussian system of units 6] 4
14. Table of electrical and magnetic units 619
Index 621


FROM THE EDITOR
This book of Professor
SG Kalashnikov "Electricity" is written on the basis of lectures
lectures which the author read in a number of years on the physical
Faculty of Moscow State University. Leck
Lectures SG Kalashnikov at the rate of General Physics, and he created
course on semiconductor physics has always distinguished by their depth
the content, accuracy and clarity of exposition transparent
and invariably the current level. This feature lectures
attracted to them not only to students in which they had previously
all been calculated, but also graduate students, faculty and
researchers of all ranks.
The book was first published in 1956, quickly gained
widely accepted and has become a major educational ben-
benefits for students in physics disciplines of higher education
institutions. In preparing the reprint author constantly-Sauveur
improved the course, supplementing it with new material and expanding
content. A few days before his death, following-
followed April 23, 1984, Sergei G. Kalashnikov over-
completed the main text of this, the fifth, because of
edition of "Electricity", not written by you only pre-
Preface.
As in previous editions, the author has made into a book some-
some changes and improvements, while retaining the general idea,
course structure and style of presentation. For example, expanded and recycling-
revised § 113 (a magnetic charge. The formal theory of magnetism
Magnetism), § 117 (Magnetic and mechanical moments of the electron),
§ 246 (Electromagnetic Mass of the moving charge). Addendum
Added important information about isotropic and anisotropic dielectric
dielectrics (§ 42), forward and reverse piezoelectric effects
(§ 42, 51), the energy of a charged capacitor (§ 34) and energy
magnetic field (§ 47), as well as thermoelectricity (§ 199).
Included a question about the orientation of polar molecules in electric
electric field (Appendix 2). In addition, done a considerable
smaller number of insertions and substitutions in other places of the book.
In the process of editing and finalization of py-
manuscript for publication held clarification of terminology, notation
denote the physical units are given in accordance
GOST 8.417-81 with the current (ST SEV 1052-78).

Any thing look interesting? let me know the pages, Ill run it through the translator
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 12, 2011, 02:15:09 PM
Hi Tektron, zhak, all,

Sure wish there was a English translation of the total book.  Downloaded the PDF, working with translation software.
Thanks for the heads up!  Especially interested in the piezo discussion in the book. 

Unable to work on Pyramid today, family coming, things to do.....back on it tomorrow.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 12, 2011, 02:15:42 PM
Hi Tektron, zhak, all,

Sure wish there was a English translation ............

Somehow sent this twice.......arrrrrrrr.  Wont let me delete it, only modify..........
Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 12, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
Some details of the reactor, I also prepared.
I am looking for a high-voltage transformer.
Skeleton Pyramid 8 * 1m also bought remained together.
20mm plastic pipe filled with acrylic.
Plastic Plugs 40mm had to be shortened, preventing the exact location of the coils.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 12, 2011, 06:08:29 PM
Have an idea to make a removable panel.
What do you think such an option may damage the operation of TPP?
â–¼
â–¼
â–¼
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 12, 2011, 07:11:18 PM
Have an idea to make a removable panel.
What do you think such an option may damage the operation of TPP?
â–¼
â–¼
â–¼

Hi Zhak,

I think that would work just fine!!!!!!!

Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: TEKTRON on August 13, 2011, 07:18:10 AM
Hi Tektron, zhak, all,

Sure wish there was a English translation of the total book.  Downloaded the PDF, working with translation software.
Thanks for the heads up!  Especially interested in the piezo discussion in the book. 

Unable to work on Pyramid today, family coming, things to do.....back on it tomorrow.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

This wont make any sense without the equations and the background instruction leading up to this chapter. SORRY

§ 51 The piezoelectric effect 109
Consequently, the piezoelectric effect of quartz is described by the
equations
Pi - / 3llUl - / 3uU2 + / 3uli4,
Py =-Rii-gillie, E1.3)
Pz = 0.
As a result of polarization changes during deformation and
electric displacement D within the crystal. In this case, in general, deter-
determining the displacement of D1.2) under P is necessary to understand the amount of Fe + P ", where Fe
caused by an electric field, E, - deformation:
D = e0E + PB + P «. E1.4)
Here polarization of Pu is generally determined by the relations
E1.1). If the polarity of the electric field does not depend on the Fe-on
direction of E, we can introduce a scalar dielectric constant
e (§ 42) and write eoE + Fe = eeoE. Then
D =?? OE + PU. E1.5)
We now estimate the magnitude of piezoelectric effect on
sample of quartz. For this we consider plate cut perpendicular to the
perpendicular to the electrical axis X (si. Fig. 71), and assume that it subjected-
subjected to unilateral stretching along the axis.
Let the tensile stress is equal to si = 105 Pa. The resulting
strain is, and \ = si / C, where C - the elastic modulus (modulus of Yun-
Jung), depending on the direction of stretching and on the fixed side
edge of the plate or free (depending on boundary conditions for deformation
strain). We assume the side faces of the plate free. Then for
stretching along the X axis for quartz C = 7,8 • YU10 Pa. Then the deformation
is
Ad si YU5,, 1P-a
U October 13
Arising as a result of this deformation polarization, according to
the first equation E1.3), is
Px \ =? N "1 = 0,23 | 10 6 Kl/m2.
We now find the electric field caused by this
polarization. It can be determined from the expression for the electric displacement of
bias. In quartz, e depends weakly on the direction and we can use
by E1.5).
Since the volume charge density p inside the plate is zero,
then, according to the Poisson equation A4.1), divD = 0, and consequently, D =
= Const which means that the appearance of any section of the plate
X = const polarization P "will be accompanied by the appearance in the same
section of the electric field E in the opposite direction and a ve-
magnitude to the changes of both terms on the right side of E1 5)
compensate each other. Therefore found higher polarity
| Pxi = j3nui cause the electric field
Bxi = - ^ ui. E1.6)
? 0
Substituting for quartz e = 4.5 and using the above values
values ​​of /? and q «1, we find that \ E \ = 5900 V / m = 59 V / cm. When the thickness of the plate,
say, d = 0,5 cm voltage between the plates will be U = Ed, and 30 V.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 13, 2011, 11:48:27 AM
There was another idea the rapid assembly of panels.
Very tight fit of panels to the frame does not matter
â–¼
â–¼
â–¼
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 13, 2011, 12:59:09 PM
@Zhak .I would say plastic is best . . Any metal outside the pyramid might cause problems ..It is interesting to note that in his videos , Thomas only has three sides , or panels fitted . I seem to remember that back in 2007 he said that adding a fourth panel only gave a small increase in output .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 13, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
This wont make any sense without the equations and the background instruction leading up to this chapter. SORRY

§ 51 The piezoelectric effect 109
Consequently, the piezoelectric effect of quartz is described by the
equations
Pi - / 3llUl - / 3uU2 + / 3uli4,
Py =-Rii-gillie, E1.3)
Pz = 0.
As a result of polarization changes during deformation and
=============================================
==============================================
? 0
Substituting for quartz e = 4.5 and using the above values
values ​​of /? and q «1, we find that \ E \ = 5900 V / m = 59 V / cm. When the thickness of the plate,
say, d = 0,5 cm voltage between the plates will be U = Ed, and 30 V.

Thanks Tektron,

The writer of the book jumps into this with both feet doesn't he.  A lot of information and a lot of ideas it generates.  The reactor looks more and more like a transformer of sorts, a doughnut  toroid, possibly a scalar transformer that works with longitudinal waves. When "Pulsed" by the small fan and in a correctly oriented "earth" field or fields, it responds back with a high current (2-3 amps) low voltage (7-13 VDC) and develops a relatively high voltage electrostatic field (5-20KV) around it in the pyramid.  HOW?  I simply don't know. I'm sure there are "several" theories out (mine included) there but until we get a working pyramid, I'm not going to speculate.  If I try and look at this through "normal" theory and eyes, you just get a severe crick in the neck from shaking your head side to side!  There is NOTHING normal about this device from conventional theory that explains it's operation.  Perhaps there is unpublished research that does show how this device operates but it is not available to the general population.  So we are in a learn while we experiment phase!

The pyramid is almost finished, just a little more paint, and it is done.  Then have to wind the "CAP" coils, cut the coil plastic to length and make a repeatable way to disassemble it from the "reactor". Have to rewind the reactor, clean it up, use the new plugs, re-charge it, make a carrying box to keep it vertical and to hold it in Foam rubber to not mechanically shock it while transporting it!. It just goes on and on with the details.   I'm going to mount the fan, a small 2-3 watt 12VDC lamp, etc. on a small box/board/something to have a way to tote this thing around.  Taking this outside when the actual temp is in the low 90's F, and it feels like 105 F, is something to consider here in FL, USA.  It is the hottest summer I can remember or maybe I'm just getting older and feel it more.  Again, I'm in no hurry here, it is what it is!

When I get this working, the first thing I"m going to do is build a smaller unit so I can just carry it around in one piece!  All I want is 1 watt or so......just one little watt!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 13, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
Hi Ben .You have been doing some very good work lately . The reducers look very nice . I have found that the brass end caps I was going to use are too large to fit inside the plastic tube . I will either get them turned down , or get some made like yours .Your theories sound interesting . I thought of it as some kind of transformer , and can not understand the function of the plastic tube .Why not wind the outer coil onto the outer copper tube . On the other hand TT must have his reasons . As I have said before , a small pyramid would open this up to more people . The problem is going to be the calculation of reactor size .
EDIT . The problem with regarding the reactor as a transformer , is the the outer copper tube will act as a shorted turn . Also , so will the inner copper tube . And they are interconnected with brass . A transformer it may be ,but an ordinary one it is NOT >
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 13, 2011, 11:40:44 PM
Hi Ben .You have been doing some very good work lately . The reducers look very nice . I have found that the brass end caps I was going to use are too large to fit inside the plastic tube . I will either get them turned down , or get some made like yours .Your theories sound interesting . I thought of it as some kind of transformer , and can not understand the function of the plastic tube .Why not wind the outer coil onto the outer copper tube . On the other hand TT must have his reasons . As I have said before , a small pyramid would open this up to more people . The problem is going to be the calculation of reactor size .
EDIT . The problem with regarding the reactor as a transformer , is the the outer copper tube will act as a shorted turn . Also , so will the inner copper tube . And they are interconnected with brass . A transformer it may be ,but an ordinary one it is NOT >

Hi Ken,

Thinking outside the box, think of the reactor as a one turn copper primary transformer (remember it doesn't have to be ferrous) , and a 87-92 turn secondary.  Possibly the outside coil on the plastic form is as used in a power supply as a smoothing inductor and nothing more?  All the magic happens IN the reactor/quartz sand I have been led to believe, except for the energy from the earth.  Again, just thinking outside the box, WAY outside.....a very weak theory at this time too.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 13, 2011, 11:48:34 PM
@Zhak .I would say plastic is best . . Any metal outside the pyramid might cause problems ..It is interesting to note that in his videos , Thomas only has three sides , or panels fitted . I seem to remember that back in 2007 he said that adding a fourth panel only gave a small increase in output .

Hi Ken,

Just as a thought, I wonder how just TWO panels opposite would work or only ONE panel  Would look like some antennas I know of. Sure easy to fold up!

So much to try after we crawl around a bit! 

Lordy, Keep me on the straight and narrow path and build it AS SHOWN!!!!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 13, 2011, 11:50:10 PM
There was another idea the rapid assembly of panels.
Very tight fit of panels to the frame does not matter
â–¼
â–¼
â–¼

Hi Zhak,

Both should work great!!!!!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 14, 2011, 12:55:26 AM
Hi All,

I said it would be YELLOW!!!!!!!! (gray on the inside)

Almost finished with panels!
Will show a complete put together tomorrow.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 14, 2011, 06:24:33 PM
Hi All Coils done, getting there.  A lot of little things, but getting close.


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 14, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
Hi Ben,
good job,
but the inner and outer coil should have the same number of turns.
The photo shows inner coil is greater. ???

regards madsatbg
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 14, 2011, 07:10:15 PM
Hi Ben,
good job,
but the inner and outer coil should have the same number of turns.
The photo shows inner coil is greater. ???

regards madsatbg

Hi Madsatbg,

IF you are talking about the "CAP", I think we have found your problem with your unit.  WIND 11 METERS of wire on the form, this forms the first coil, then wind 11 meters OVER it, this forms the second coil, one over the other.  THE TOP/OUTER COIL WILL HAVE FEWER TURNS as the diameter is greater.  The length of the wire is important, NOT the number of turns, on the CAP.

My reactor coil and the coil on the plastic form over it has 92 turns on the reactor and 91.5 on the outer coil both wound in the same direction.

Check TT's Videos, he emphasizes this and mentions the different turns number.

Best of luck to you, I hope this fixes it!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: madsatbg on August 14, 2011, 07:35:31 PM

... I think we have found your problem with your unit... 


Thanks Ben,
I will try this.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on August 15, 2011, 01:04:49 AM
Hello
 I present to you a pdf of photographs of the construction of a pyramidal structure which I carried out this week.

fichier pdf: Construction pyramide.pdf (http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2011/08/15/construction-pyramide/)

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 15, 2011, 01:11:56 AM
Hello
 I present to you a pdf of photographs of the construction of a pyramidal structure which I carried out this week.

fichier pdf: Construction pyramide.pdf (http://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2011/08/15/construction-pyramide/)

Excellent work! 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 15, 2011, 12:07:03 PM
hi all
Ben
video (TPP V12 Tutorial Part 6 of 13.avi) time (14.55)
If you count the turns of the plastic tube, then their number would be 95, it is not 10metrov!
Reactor turns 95
Plastic pipe 95 turns
Where is the truth, video, or PDF?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 15, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
Hi Zhak . I think you are confused between the winding of the REACTOR and the CONDENSER .
 1THE REACTOR  has 95 turns on the inner copper tube , and 95 turns on the outer plastic tube , both coils wound in the same direction .
 2. The CONDENSER which is wound on a plastic rod [ Thomas calls it a wheel] . It has two coils wound on it , one an top of the other . Each coil is made from a piece of wire 11 metres [not 10 metres ] long . The first coil will have more turns than the second coil that is wound on top of it . The number of turns is not important , it is the wire length that is important . I hope this answers your question .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 15, 2011, 03:15:34 PM
neptune
I never understood how you described.
But watching the video (above topic), I thought the turns on a plastic tube 40 mm, there is their 95 (or so)
And coil of copper pipe enters the Level of 10mm with a winding on a plastic tube 40 mm.
Watch the video carefully, there can see the number of turns


I'm sorry I use a translator
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 15, 2011, 03:29:22 PM
These few are not accurate in pdf
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 15, 2011, 03:30:33 PM
hi all
Ben
video (TPP V12 Tutorial Part 6 of 13.avi) time (14.55)
If you count the turns of the plastic tube, then their number would be 95, it is not 10metrov!
Reactor turns 95
Plastic pipe 95 turns
Where is the truth, video, or PDF?

Hi Zhak,

I think there is some confusion here.

Lets start with the small inner copper tube.  I believe in the metric reactor there can be anywhere from between 88 and 95 turns.  TT told me to wind 92 turns on my Inch based center/inner tube.  I think but can not verify yet (First a operating reactor) that for the dimensions given for the metric unit that there is a window with this size wire, etc where it will work from between about 85 to 95 turns but there is an optimum number that gives the best output.  IF and when I or any one else gets a reactor working, then we can begin to tie down the operating parameters of this device.  Folks, I'm in the dark as much as the rest of you and am building on faith as much as knowledge now, in a build by rote mode.  Like the days when we used to build Heathkits or home brew devices.  You built by the numbers and held your breath when you turned it on for the first time!

Outer coil, in the video he shows winding the plastic/outer coil around the reactor with the same number of turns, same winding direction, MINUS 1/2 turn so if you have 95 turns on your inner coil, your outer coil would have 94.5 turns, etc.  This has nothing to do with the 11 meter lengths of wire used in the Cap./dual horizontal coil.

Another observation based on my conversations with TT is that the outer coil is not as critical as the inner coil.  I suspect but have not verified that the outer coil is more of a smoothing choke for the circuit and any reasonable number of turns would work there, again just a feeling.

Now the Capacitor.  Two coils wound one on top of each other using identical lengths, 11 meters of wire. The inner coil will have more turns as it is of lesser diameter. 

Remember the video and PDF both in English and that is a secondary language for TT, I feel he has done an excellent job showing how to build, etc.  The questions can be endless. I think we have enough enformation to build it.   I never asked him how long it took him to get the first real pyramid working.  A history of units and the results would be enlightening.

Maybe somebody can answer this question.  WHICH END OF THE INNER COIL IS PLUS, I have to know so I can hook up the fan/exciter right?  Is the bottom junction with the Cap. the positive side and the other end through the outer coil the minus?  I need to look back through this whole thing, and look at the PDF again. 

I'm very close to trying my unit.  Still a few loose ends to tie up.  Stable mounting for the reactor, Braces for the front of the pyramid as the weight of the reactor causes the 1/4" gypsum to bow a bit, didn't think about that when designing it!  Must find out polarity of reactor, paint the base of the Pyramid with fast dry paint to keep it from getting wet in grass in the early morning when I will do most of my testing.
Charge the reactor, like I say a few more loose ends.  I am being so methodical here so IF and WHEN I get a working device, I can duplicate it each time I take it out.

The funny thing, walking around in my condo with my dowsing rods, (practice, in search mode looking for water/energy flow from earth), I find a VERY strong indicator right in front of the closet which is the "Worlds Smallest Lab" in the hallway.........I wonder if it will work there.  I am 6 stories up, in a reinforced concrete building, this is NUTS...............we shall see!  So much I don't know.......so much to learn! 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZE)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 15, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
@K4Zep . The bottom end of the inner coil is positive .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 15, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
@ K4Zep. T
Thank you little dispelled my doubts.
You said that there is a PDF in Russian?
where can I download?

By joint efforts we will succeed
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on August 15, 2011, 04:51:36 PM
Hello
 Here 2 reactors with different caps, out of brass, which I made (also last week), always according to measurements of Pascuser.

The 2 pdf are joined.
=>Reactor 1.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418408Smsq9R.pdf)

=>Reactor 2.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418498YUxOLJ.pdf)

=>Pyramide.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313420432H3w4mS.pdf)

On its road, Pascuser passed yesterday and recovered the whole (pyramid and reactors).

Let us hope that the thunderbolt did not fall on his pyramid moored on the car’s roof …  ::)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 15, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
@K4Zep . The bottom end of the inner coil is positive .

Thanks Neptune!

Ben
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 15, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
@ K4Zep. T
Thank you little dispelled my doubts.
You said that there is a PDF in Russian?
where can I download?

By joint efforts we will succeed

I don't know of the PDF in Russian, anybody?

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 15, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
Hello
 Here 2 reactors with different caps, out of brass, which I made (also last week), always according to measurements of Pascuser.

The 2 pdf are joined.
=>Reactor 1.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418408Smsq9R.pdf)

=>Reactor 2.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418498YUxOLJ.pdf)


On its road, Pascuser passed yesterday and recovered the whole (pyramid and reactors).

Let us hope that the thunderbolt did not fall on his pyramid moored on the car’s roof …  ::)

Hi Gegyx,

Very nice work.  Tell Pascuser to clean those inner tubes to a high shine with steel wool, etc before he winds the coils on them.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 16, 2011, 08:05:02 PM
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Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 18, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
@madsatbg:
I am sitting here with wet Eyes, because you are maybe the first guy in OU.com with a proven first result, and you are willing to show this to the crowd. (we had some guys before, but the dissapeared in the moment of sucsess...)
Well, You are on the last step before sucsess.

First: keep all the mess away from the Pyramide. Every metal in a circle of 2 meters is poison for your Pyramide.
Second: keep the V12 directly to the floor and turn it between 2-3 degrees plus to north.
Third: use a smaller Fan
Fourth: Watch your Pyramide working the next month  :-*

You made my day good and now i will drink a beer :-)
If necessary, I can give you the final help even on Skype to get your wonderful Lady running.... I am so happy now.....

@conradelektro:
You can believe me, i am mad about pyramides since a very long time. Madsatbg shows us directly all the Facts you need to get a working V12.
I can check this, and i saw his Video on YT. There are some things you can´t fake .
So i can tell everybody. This guy have a working Reactor and this guy will be the first one with a turning fan....
(In this case, nobody is interested in any measurement BEFORE the fan is blowing... we enjoy it blowing)
Thomas I am glad to be able to talk to you in person,I am on my way to build your design soon.At the moment I keep buying the materials,slowly soon I will start the project,I intend to make couple changes on designing the pyramid I have built quiet few pyramides and watch you since 2006.I copied all your videos and edit them in one full DVD movie so i can follow your instructions step by step.I am really afraid about creating the reactor not having access to such electronic equipment -I am also asking around people to help me with that but they dont beleve in this project,hopefully i will find a way soon to compress the quartz sand as you recomended.You can see me here:http://www.youtube.com/user/ArtStdTransylvania     Wish me good luck and if I will manage I will post my work on youtube  as well.Thank you very much all the best from Australia George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 18, 2011, 10:10:31 AM
Hello
 Here 2 reactors with different caps, out of brass, which I made (also last week), always according to measurements of Pascuser.

The 2 pdf are joined.
=>Reactor 1.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418408Smsq9R.pdf)

=>Reactor 2.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313418498YUxOLJ.pdf)

=>Pyramide.pdf (http://www.econologie.info/share/partager3/1313420432H3w4mS.pdf)

On its road, Pascuser passed yesterday and recovered the whole (pyramid and reactors).

Let us hope that the thunderbolt did not fall on his pyramid moored on the car’s roof …  ::)
maybe I can help with the building of the pyramid---http://www.youtube.com/user/ArtStdTransylvania a small trick for the tip and more,could help and I have a different aproach to build the pyramid soon i will post it.Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 18, 2011, 01:53:31 PM
maybe I can help with the building of the pyramid---http://www.youtube.com/user/ArtStdTransylvania a small trick for the tip and more,could help and I have a different aproach to build the pyramid soon i will post it.Regards George

Good Morning George,

When you build pyramids, you BUILD pyramids!!! I envy your workspace! Best of luck with your pyramid(s) someone is going to make one work soon!!!!!  Here is a picture of the fan "modulator" I am going to use with my pyramid.  It is a dual ball bearing, 12cm,  made in China, 12VDC@ 0.35 Amps or 4.2 watts BUT it will run/self start down to 3.1 VDC @ .05 amps or only  0.155 watts (155 mW), That is where the hall effects kick in on this unit.  VERY smooth and quiet.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 19, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
Good Morning George,

When you build pyramids, you BUILD pyramids!!! I envy your workspace! Best of luck with your pyramid(s) someone is going to make one work soon!!!!!  Here is a picture of the fan "modulator" I am going to use with my pyramid.  It is a dual ball bearing, 12cm,  made in China, 12VDC@ 0.35 Amps or 4.2 watts BUT it will run/self start down to 3.1 VDC @ .05 amps or only  0.155 watts (155 mW), That is where the hall effects kick in on this unit.  VERY smooth and quiet.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
thank you very much for advice ,photo and YT subscribe,my shed is very vvv small if i keep it tiddy its alrite I guess.Only when i get ready for a new project I clean it.I got a lots of parts for Thomas's project some of them you wouldnt beleve where I found them.I shall post like I said when I am ready and share with everyone.Thank you again .Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 20, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
Hi All,

Spent part of yesterday, and most of today, messing, measuring, adding a top suspension point, epoxy here, epoxy there, measuring some more, picture below is of a trial fit.  Bottom of CAP is not cut yet to fit.  Have to put the X lines to be sure centered, also going to put a front to back parallel line to sight the compass for true north also off to the side. 

Note the base that is red that the unit sits on.  Never showed that before.  It stabilizes the Pyramid, corners are steel reinforced for more stability and to keep it true, Glued and screwed together.  Also added front stringers to strengthen and keep the pyramid true.  A lot of piddle stuff to finish it right.  Almost there now.  Have to make a "travel box" to keep the reactor vertical when I am transporting it.

I wonder how many out there are actively building/testing a Pyramid?

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 21, 2011, 06:05:55 AM
here are some of my findings for Thoma's Project,Brass Tap Fittings and from the Pet Shop very fine high quality quartz sand.I wonder for those who have found big granule quartz sand if they can use coffe grinder to refine it.Also Brass can be TIG welded using brazing rods.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 21, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
Capacitor

For the capacitor I used a 20mm x 525mm plastic water PVC pipe with two coils of 11 meters each of the 16 AWG 1.5mm copper cable. I add 10cm to each endings on both coils to connect and synchronize the capacitor.

I cut the endings and mount it in the pyramid to keep the reactor in the exact center of the pyramid as Thomas indicated.

Charging the reactor

The voltage in my country (Peru) is 220v. Here comes the tricky part. I decided to go for the high voltage charging instead of the High Radio Frequency way since my understanding of electronic and RF is limited. I found a high voltage DC transformer made from a fly-back. It makes 20,000 volts (that’s what the seller told me but I couldn’t prove it). I bought a multimeter and there is a warning to do not attempt to measure a circuit if the voltage is grater than 60v DC so I do not know neither the exact amps that are coming out of the transformer, but when I bring the terminals closer than 30mm they make a nice flow of lightning current between (sorry for my English).

I went to a swimming pool service and found two different brands of filter quartz sand. One is Crystaline Silica from Southern Products Silica C.O., INC (first picture) and the second one is a Peruvian brand (more expensive) and is made of ground quartz (second picture). I bought both.

I am going to use the first one since it is more similar in color to what Thomas showed in his video. (The second one is white and irregular in size but I have a 1.5mm frame to filter it if necessary)

That’s all for now. I will wait for your suggestions before going into the next step.
I read that the transformer need to be AC output and between 3 to 7 kilovolts but I have read different approaches and changes of mind in the last days that I am not sure anymore. I hope Thomas can give me the right approach.

Thank you Pascuser for the dowsing articles I would studied them and applied them in my yard. I live in Pisaq, a small town in the Sacred Valley in Cusco (2 hours from Macchu Picchu) at 3,000 meters high (11,000 feet aprox) and  and there is a lot of water underground.

I hope Ben, Matsatbg, Smoky, Pascuser, Duff, Jimboot, Neptune, me and all the rest together can replicate the power pyramid soon with the help of Thomas.

Waiting for your comments...

Diego
have you try this quartz sand from a petshop?I will post you my findings as well.Might be helpful.Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 21, 2011, 06:57:23 PM
Hi All,

Found this little fan at the flea market this morning on our weekly visit for vegetables.

Very small, will run down to 2.8VDC @ 20 ma.  Top end is 5V I think as it came off a video card.

Respectfully
Ben

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ainachara on August 21, 2011, 07:46:35 PM
I wonder how many out there are actively building/testing a Pyramid?

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Hi K4ZEP,

here is one from Germany:
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg23229#msg23229 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg23229#msg23229)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg24299#msg24299 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg24299#msg24299)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.msg24298#msg24298 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.msg24298#msg24298)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1201.msg23697#msg23697 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1201.msg23697#msg23697)
Have a look to the attachments. One picture can be more than thousand words...

ainachara
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 22, 2011, 01:39:35 AM
Hi K4ZEP,

here is one from Germany:
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg23229#msg23229 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg23229#msg23229)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg24299#msg24299 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1175.msg24299#msg24299)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.msg24298#msg24298 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1191.msg24298#msg24298)
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1201.msg23697#msg23697 (http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=1201.msg23697#msg23697)
Have a look to the attachments. One picture can be more than thousand words...

ainachara

Thanks Ainachara,

Yes, the pictures are good.  TT's answers are very revealing too.  Used Google translate to read them.

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 22, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
Hi All
K4ZEP
Merry project turns out.
There are some results of the project?
I'm going to prepare a framework for the pyramid.
BEN quartz sand than activated?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 22, 2011, 07:51:42 AM
Thomas said on his video that he has on his website the details for bigger sizes of his pyramid power,can anyone please point me were are they on his website.Here is a photo with bigger elements.Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 22, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
I found a transformer from a microwave oven, but I can not deal with stamps
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 22, 2011, 08:51:04 AM
GPS 25
I misunderstood you
you are looking for this sitet ТТ www.comshop.tv/tpp
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 22, 2011, 09:48:16 AM
Here are found, can someone want to microwave a trance and his connection mark
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 22, 2011, 02:47:53 PM
@all_
I made a quick test with a fully copper Reactor ... same result as madsatbg...
(The fan turnes max a second,nothing else...)
So it´s important to get the brass distancer..make in on a lathe...

I wasn´t able to try a inner tube with 16mm because there is no piece in my shack.

Well, I get some great problems to follow all the threads, and give answers to allquestions,because the thread get to overloaded with necessary and unnecessary things.

In this stadium of  work, it would be good to give the áttention to the working guys.
So, please everybody without a V12 Construction in the garden, please let the constructors speak.

I will answer allquestions if possible...

@DiegoPalma:Congrats to your fine construction:
I hope, your Distancer in the reactor is still a brass-piece.
I will make a special calculation for your Reactor, because in your Country, the pyramides will work a little bit different then elsewhere. (But don´t worry, your V12 will produce something still with your Setup for the Start)

Maybe you can tell me more about your "Informing-process". I hope to find anything there,because for my distance-look, everything looks quit well with your V12.

The south-american Pyramides had some major differences to all the other pyramides worldwide. Maybe they had the best ones in anchient times... Soyour results are more than important for me...

Happy Pyramiding
Thomas
thomas you said in your video you got a variety of sizes adapted already,would you like to post them please.Great work.Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 22, 2011, 02:51:21 PM
Sorry formydelayin answering...I amalittle bitbusy now  ;D
what is that copper handle for thomas??can it be possibile to have those sizes please?Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 22, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
Hi all,

i have built my pyramid see attenhed pdf). :D

 Now i work on a mean to activate the sand:
as i fear using high power 2KV line transformer (it can kill me). i intend to build some 1 or 2KV AC generator (high voltage but limited current) , using a ferrite transformer salvaged from an old 220V/+5V switching supply.
To do that, we need just an oscillator from +12V supply (accu for safety), inverting the transfo work. By supplying it  with 12V switched on the 5V side, we will obtain 1KV on the original 220V primary side.
If we use the transformer resonance, we shoud obtain 1KV sinusoidal AC voltage at around 400KHz (not so dangerous as 50Hz).
Is it enough to activate the sand ??
Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on August 22, 2011, 04:58:44 PM
Free energy , no coment ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8AC8T5cvm4
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 23, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
@all
finished reactor and condenser. see .pdf
now i need to fill it with activated quartz sand.
Regards
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 23, 2011, 03:44:54 PM
@all
finished reactor and condenser. see .pdf
now i need to fill it with activated quartz sand.
Regards

Nice work,

Good luck......

We need some feedback from TT here......

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 24, 2011, 07:46:14 AM
@all
finished reactor and condenser. see .pdf
now i need to fill it with activated quartz sand.
Regards
good luck let us know how you do your quartz sand compression,I am going to build the pyramid over the weekend and posted on my youtube channel.Regards George
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zbx_PL on August 24, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
Witam wszystkich serdecznie
nie znam  Angielskiego używam tÅ‚umacza
zaczynam eksperyment
rozumiem ze cewki reaktora nawijamy w tym jednym kierunku  >> m  m //// condenser w przeciwnych kierunkach >< m  uu
Pozdrawiam. :)
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Hi all welcome
I do not know English use a translator
I begin to experiment
I understand the wind the coils of the reactor in one direction>> mm / / / / condenser in the opposite direction> <m uu
Yours  :)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ainachara on August 25, 2011, 07:06:48 AM
Hello,
here you can see a beautiful replica of the pyramid body in late 2007, early 2008:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=TPP (http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=TPP)
ainachara
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 25, 2011, 01:17:11 PM
Hello,
here you can see a beautiful replica of the pyramid body in late 2007, early 2008:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=TPP (http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=TPP)
ainachara

Clanz.... is a good builder, wonder what his results were at that time.  Have not received parts from TT yet.  Waiting for them but will test
my reactor/pyramid in the next few days, everything is finished, just hot here and busy with Main Shower remodel in the Condo.......HONEYDOOOOOOOs..........

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ainachara on August 25, 2011, 11:55:41 PM
A history of units and the results would be enlightening.

much to read, maybe this helps:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9351;area=showposts;start=0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9351;area=showposts;start=0)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.0)

ainachara
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 26, 2011, 03:40:05 AM
much to read, maybe this helps:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9351;area=showposts;start=0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9351;area=showposts;start=0)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=695.0)

ainachara

Hi Ainachara,

Reading back in 2007, it appears that TT says that a copper tube pyramid and a wood parymid won't work.  So I don't know if my
hybrid easy  to disassemble for transport unit will work or not........I'm bummed!  I'll follow through but now, who knows.  I wondered why he always grounded it to get it going, then un-grounded it afterwords.  Reason given was the HV charge that built up....now not sure............Just make that motor run, that's all I ask.

We continue,

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 26, 2011, 01:35:47 PM
Hi Ben .Do not loose faith in your pyramid yet . I think that it may be important for the plasterboard to be mounted on a steel frame . But not for structural reasons . Its function is to conduct current , and possibly react to magnetism . I seem to remember that you mentioned steel tape . So if you have steel tape running up the corners and around the base , all should be well . If you do not , it can still be added . There are many things you can use .If not steel tape , you could use the lightweight "angle iron " used to form corners on plaster walls . It is light and you can easily cut it with tinsnips , and bend it with your fingers .More hassle but not an unsolvable problem . Fix it with glue or even duct tape .
       It would seem TT is on holiday in Egypt .No doubt when he planned this , he expected replication by now . Lets hope he comes back and helps those who have built pyramids without getting results yet .Erdtaucher in Germany is doing some good work on reactors , and may have discovered an alternative way to activate the sand . I asked him to publish this but he wants to be sure first . We are so near to breakthrough , and yet so far . It is all , ultimately, in the hands of Thomas .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 26, 2011, 03:50:12 PM
Hi Ben .Do not loose faith in your pyramid yet . I think that it may be important for the plasterboard to be mounted on a steel frame . But not for structural reasons . Its function is to conduct current , and possibly react to magnetism . I seem to remember that you mentioned steel tape . So if you have steel tape running up the corners and around the base , all should be well . If you do not , it can still be added . There are many things you can use .If not steel tape , you could use the lightweight "angle iron " used to form corners on plaster walls . It is light and you can easily cut it with tinsnips , and bend it with your fingers .More hassle but not an unsolvable problem . Fix it with glue or even duct tape .
       It would seem TT is on holiday in Egypt .No doubt when he planned this , he expected replication by now . Lets hope he comes back and helps those who have built pyramids without getting results yet .Erdtaucher in Germany is doing some good work on reactors , and may have discovered an alternative way to activate the sand . I asked him to publish this but he wants to be sure first . We are so near to breakthrough , and yet so far . It is all , ultimately, in the hands of Thomas .

Good morning Neptune,

Taking a break for breakfast and sitting here at computer.  Actually, I'm going to try mine today INSIDE.  The quartz sand is in the oven getting baked dry, have added all the connectors to the fan/reactor, etc.  Have a suspension system that is good enough for first trials.   

I'm still puzzled in that Thomas tells everyone to keep things clear of the pyramid but then shows his working inside his garage.  I KNOW there is no external earth powered electrostatic field inside as have done extensive work with electrostatic autopilots.  So his works inside with just the earths magnetic field and energy from a water flow but he has indicated that the outside ES field is connected with the pyramid or enhances its operation.  Second, he says voltage is not important, only amps.  Then shows the unit in one of the videos with a current/watts analyzer that shows voltage and current and uses that reading to show how much energy (watts) is being produced.  I happen to have a very similar one that I might hook up if/when I get mine working.   Unless the energy from this device is totally different and only current ? is used, then everything I know about power is nul and void! When you get down to the technical aspects of this, the nitty gritty, there is a lot of vague areas in the videos that you have to bypass and just keep going.  When he shows a lamp being powered with the pyramid, he does not show the amps and current in that loop or the voltage across the fan motor which is in parallel with the lamp.  But he does say it slows down a bit which is understandable. I'm still not clear as to what the actual output of the device is.  Is it pure DC or is it pulsed non symmetrical AC that averages out to DC with a capacitive loaded output or just pulsed AC when into an resistive  or lamp load.  I have watched the later parts of his series plus the troubleshooting video till I'm blue in the face and as a nitty gritty retired Technician, I realize it is not what he says but what he doesn't say.  Again, trying my best to keep it positive and just keep forging ahead on basic "faith".....Will have my first trial results by tonight I think. All I want is for that darn fan motor start and keep running! 

Now about Erdtaucher, does he or doesn't he have a working unit.  IF he does, it should be all over the lists, if not, how can he be  finding
new ways to activate/polarize/poll the sand when he has no proof that it is working............I apologize in asking in absolute terms but again, basic facts is if its working, he has a good idea, if not working, he has a theory.........Right now, we are in a absolute phase.  IT works or it doesn't work.  Sort of like being pregnant, there is no in between.......After my first test the answer will be it works or it does not work, there is really no in between. IF it works will throw a video up on YouTube.   IF it does not work inside, I will then take it outside.  Problem with that, in the morning here it is cool but everything is wet with dew if I sit it on the ground.  In the afternoon, it is 92-94F outside.  But will try to find a parking lot with pavement that is dry and there is a water flow.  Ahhhh what we do for science.

Still haven't received the parts kit from TT.  That boat is slow as heck!

Thinking, I remain,

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 26, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
Hi All,

Charging reactor......for real this time.  Sand @ 180-200 degrees F to dry out. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5mR9iX7eq4

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 26, 2011, 08:18:01 PM
Good morning everyone.
Ben K4ZEP
You can details about the connection of the transformer with reactor. (there seems to be one wire connected?)
Let's look at in more detail.
I'm going to the transformer from a microwave oven
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 26, 2011, 08:35:06 PM
Good morning everyone.
Ben K4ZEP
You can details about the connection of the transformer with reactor. (there seems to be one wire connected?)
Let's look at in more detail.
I'm going to the transformer from a microwave oven

Hi Zhak,

Yes, with 5,000 VAC 60Hz, (Probably 2000 to 2500 VAC would be fine also) if you connected the other side to the copper tube, you would have a complete breakdown of the
insulation of the inner coil and lots of smoke.  YOU ONLY CONNECT one wire of the output wires to the inner wire of the reactor when
charging.  You let the other wire float and it is not connected.  Is is more of a electrostatic type field than a EM field.  You will see smaller pieces of quarts push away from the copper when you pour it into the reactor.

I hope this helps. 

Respectfully,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 27, 2011, 11:47:58 AM
Thanks Ben.
There is a problem.
The transformer has 220V input, but there is unego phase and zero (ground).
Hence, the output will be high-voltage and zero phase, which connect to the reactor?
And there is a difference as a transformer to connect the power plug?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 27, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
@zhak. It is very easy . Connect ONE wire from the high voltage output terminal [there is only one ] to the inner coil of reactor . The mains terminals can be connected either way round . that is not important . Make sure that you learn all the safety precautions when working with high voltage , or it will kill you .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 27, 2011, 03:33:48 PM
Hi All,

Hours of adjustments, It does not work on this first attempt inside condo.  Passed low AC voltage test after "charge".  Monitoring VDC across motor.  NO voltage ever seen down to 0.0mv.  Which makes sense across essentially a short circuit unless Pyramid starts working.  Over a strong indication of water but I am 6 stories up.  Will take it outside in a day or two.  Very windy here today, fringe effects of Irene.
Several technical question are unanswered but am very patient have time to sort this out.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 27, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
@Zhak .Look at my list of safety precautions - Reply number245 on page 17 of this thread .@Ben . We all owe you a debt of gratitude for the time and effort you are putting into this .Hang in there , we all have much faith in you . As you know , TT is in Egypt at the moment . I an not pretending that anyone here knows any more than you do , but until TT returns , why not post your technical questions on here . At least it will give us something to talk about in the meantime , and multiple heads are better than one . Re Erdtaucher . I sent him a PM asking for an update . He is very busy , but promised to email me with some info this weekend . With his permission I will post it here . Our thoughts are with the people of east coast USA during this hurricane .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 27, 2011, 06:44:26 PM
@Zhak .Look at my list of safety precautions - Reply number245 on page 17 of this thread .@Ben . We all owe you a debt of gratitude for the time and effort you are putting into this .Hang in there , we all have much faith in you . As you know , TT is in Egypt at the moment . I an not pretending that anyone here knows any more than you do , but until TT returns , why not post your technical questions on here . At least it will give us something to talk about in the meantime , and multiple heads are better than one . Re Erdtaucher . I sent him a PM asking for an update . He is very busy , but promised to email me with some info this weekend . With his permission I will post it here . Our thoughts are with the people of east coast USA during this hurricane .

Hi Neptune,

More than technical questions, more like technical demonstrations from TT:

1.  Demonstrate and show voltage across the motor and current in motor loop at a dead standstill before it is hand spun and as it starts and keeps spinning all in ONE shot.  As he showed that voltage and current are in the loop with his power monitor, this is a simple demonstration and needs to be shown.  No starting and stopping of video, one continuous shot.

Continuing...

2.  Demonstrate by slowly rotating the Pyramid clockwise and counter clockwise 10 degrees off of its N direction and touching nothing else, the voltage and current dropping in the motor loop and loss of operation on a  working pyramid via the same power monitor.  Then moving it back to correct alignment, spin the motor and it restarts operation.  Again all in one continuous shot.

Continuing...

3.  Demonstrate by moving the pyramid gently 3 feet in all directions while running and show the voltage and current drops off and unit ceases to operate via the same power monitor which shows voltage, current and calculates power in watts.  Re-center pyramid, spin motor,
show voltage and current come back up from zero and continued operation.

Continuing...

4.  Demonstrate that moving the reactor off of CENTER in the pyramid, lowers the output of the device as shown on the power monitor, cessation of operation, re-centering and operation with spin up continues.


The power monitor (which shows voltage, current and watts) was shown in one of his videos.......

This sure would answer some questions I have.  As I said before its not what he has shown, but what he did not show.  In this case, 15 min of video would be worth a million words.???
This is a hell of a hot time for Thomas to visit Egypt......whew! 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 27, 2011, 06:56:47 PM
Made some precautions for the transformer
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 27, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
Thanks neptune, for clarification and caution.
Much has translate through an interpreter, some sentences difficult to understand.
I would like a hundred times to recheck
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 27, 2011, 07:14:22 PM
Neptune,
We are also keeping our fingers crossed and worried about your country. My relatives live in your country.
But I could never understand why you are building a house out of plywood, because the brick and concrete can withstand the many hurricanes.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 27, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
@zhak .Look at the cable between your plug and your transformer . If it has 3 wires , connect the EARTH wire to the FRAME of your transformer . I do not live in the USA [United States of America] I live in England . I am sure we are all thinking about the people in the USA .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 27, 2011, 11:02:45 PM
Building the Pyramid--My personal aproach,here is the first part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnBuc5KwMgU&feature=channel_video_title
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 28, 2011, 09:39:48 AM
@zhak .Look at the cable between your plug and your transformer . If it has 3 wires , connect the EARTH wire to the FRAME of your transformer . I do not live in the USA [United States of America] I live in England . I am sure we are all thinking about the people in the USA .
I do not watch this output transformer grounding
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11068.0;attach=55100;image

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 28, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
Here is The first part of how to build your Pyramid for this project.My personal aproach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnBuc5KwMgU&feature=channel_video_title
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on August 28, 2011, 12:51:46 PM
Here is my second part of my video"Pyramid System Geometry" I hope it will help everybody to build a great Pyramid.Good luck to all of you.
Regards George

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfBj2kYEgwU&feature=channel_video_title
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 28, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
@zhak . Use a nut and bolt to connect the mains earth wire from your cable to one of the mounting holes at the base [bottom] of your transformer . Or connect it to any IRON part of the transformer .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on August 28, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
I am Back home since one week and I had to delay my pyramid building up to now because of family occupations. I started to work on the pyramid Gegyx made for me, scale 1:1 this time.

As I will load my sand like TT with the CB I give you some information I saw in his video:
the amplifier is a tecnitel AML 35 (you can see tecnitel AML written on it in the video and with the web you see this is the AML 35).

Specifications are here:
http://cb-world.info/Linears/tecnitel/Linear/Technitel_AML35/frames_tecnitel_aml35.htm
We clearly see that it is the same picture for the amplifier in TT's video and in the specifications.

So we see that it is a 30W output linear amplifier and designed for the 27MHz band. This gives us then too the frequency of the transmitter TT used: 27MHz.
He uses channel 1 on the CB.

You can see that wire going from amplifier to the wire winded on the copper tube for sand charging is about 3 meters long. This is important because it has an impact on the impedance for the connexion with the wire winded on the copper tube and the SWR changes according to this length.

The total length of wire with 97 turns and the straight ends is 4.30 meters.

For channel 1 TT used for his CB (you see it on the video) frequency is 26.965MHz in 27MHz band (CB standard), so wave length is 11.11meter in empty space.
Then you must take in account the velocity reduction in atmosphere of light speed and multiply with the factor 0.95

So wavelength is in atmosphere: 11.11x0.95=10.55
A half wavelength is about 5.30 meters
If you use a smith chart (I documented myself today about all this, I did not know this before) you see that this corresponds (4.30 meters of wire instead of 5.30 required for half wevelength) to a SWR a little bit greater than 2.

So the amplifier doesn't break!! This is very important, since a very bad length mismatch gives a big SWR (infinity or near if dismatched) and if greater than 3 it breaks the amplifier surely; safety is only SWR=2 max for the material.

The velocity of light speed in the coaxial gives (0.66 factor) gives a half wavelength of 3.67 meters for optimal transfer, and you must substract the electrical length of the amplifier so what I see is a wire matched here because I see about 3 meters (only vusial estimation); no additional SWR because of it. If you use a smaller or longer wire you create additional SWR.


So TT could use its CB and amplifier because the SWR was a little greater than 2 and this is safe for a short use, less than few minutes. This amplifier has no protection so it was logical that you had SWR<3 surely; if not it would vahe broken in seconds of use and TT uses it for more than seconds to fill in the sand.

If you don't mind about all this your amplifier will burn within seconds of use.
My last one burnt is a preliminary test on an antenna because I think the connector was not enough tightened and the output of amplifier was in an opened circuit.

Now you can charge your sand with a CB, you know what to do. TT did it with the CB and a replication is best with the same procedures not to create more problems than we have.

Mister Trawoeger, could you please confirm the SWR you had while connected to the charging sand copper tube wire and the length of your coaxial used?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 28, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
Hi Pascuser , and welcome back . That was a very informative article about RF amplifiers and SWR  . Here is some information that may enable you to get that SWR down below 2 .
First set up the apparatus without the amplifier . Just connect the CB transceiver to the swr meter , and connect the SWR meter antenna socket to the Reactor using the length of Coaxial cable you described above . Start with a cable slightly longer than you calculated .Calibrate the SWR meter according to the makers instructions . Now check the SWR on channel 1 and again on channel 40 . If the swr is lower on channel 40 , shorten the coaxial cable by one centimeter . If the SWR is lower on channel 1 , The cable needs to be slightly longer . When you get the SWR as low as possible , you are ready to connect the amplifier . When making adjustments , only switch on the transmitter for a short time to read the meter .I hope this helps .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on August 29, 2011, 10:50:36 AM
A ham told me that an antenna must have a length an odd multiple of 1/4 wavelength and not 1/2 wavelength. I read again the documentation, and it is 1/2 wavelength with a feed in the middle so you have 1/4 wavelength for each half antenna, he is right.

You can also only use a 1/4 wavelength wire instead of two symmetric 1/4 wavelength feeded in the middle.

With this updated information, resonance is set with L/4=2.64 meters or odd multiple, next one is 7.92 meters. So with 4.3 meters of wire you have 4.3-2.64=1.66 meters too long and this is a 0.157 times the wavelength too long and with Smith chart you read then a SWR=4.2
That is much too big! And the amplifier should have broken within seconds. So you must either reduce the 1.66 length to 1 meter (shorten the wire winded on the copper tube) to have SWR=2 of use an impedance adapter connected to the wire winded on the copper tube.

@Neptune
The information you gave is useful to make the coaxial match the right length for a non additional SWR, but the SWR because of the dismatched antenna is too big with this new information.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on August 29, 2011, 12:17:18 PM
@Pascuser .Here is another way to do it if you do not have an impedance adapter .
 First measure the length of wire wound [winded] on your inner coil . Now join a piece of wire to the top end of the coil to make the total length three quarters of a wave length .
Place this wire in a vertical position , or as close as possible . Connect the inner wire of the coaxial cable to the bottom of your coil . Now take a piece of wire one quarter of a wavelength long and connect it to the braid [outer shield ] of the coaxial cable and have it hanging vertically down . . Test for SWR without using the amplifier . Using the rules I gave you in the last message , trim the upper wire for best SWR .You should be able to get an SWR of 1.5 or less . Note that if you get the "antenna" to the correct length , then the length of the coaxial cable is not important .When I was into CB radio years ago we used to make vertical dipoles . We found that at 27 Mhz a quarter wavelength was Eight and a half feet . That is 2.59 metres .This will vary a bit with the thickness of the wire ..
  EDIT. The length of the upper wire may need to be different from the calculated figure because of the inductance of the coil . You will need to experiment .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: croco31 on August 29, 2011, 08:55:18 PM
hi all,
a remark about SWR question:

if the SWR has the value 2 this means the PSWR is 4, then for a 27MHZ 30W amplifier the power sent to the reactor (and perhaps emitted as an antenna) is only 8W.
If the impedance of the reactor is ca 100ohms, then the RMS voltage is sqrt(8x100)= 28Volts.
We are far from the voltage ( > 100V) shown by TT around the reactor before filling it.

Where is the trick ?

It could be interesting to determine the resonance frequency of the reactor (during filling): a resistor in serie with a low level HF generator and a scope is enough to do that.
Measuring the inductance and capacitance with an adequate multimeter is also good.

My HV generator: i progress
- i will use a sinus oscillator with a variable frequency from 100KHz to 1MHz: i feel some resonance searching with quartz sand could be useful.
- with an audio power amplifier (some TDAxxx with enough bandwith and variable gain) used in push-pull, powered by a 12V accu, i will feed the +5V secondary of an old ferrite flyback transformer
- then i expect some 1KV AC peak at the original 400V primary of the transformer.

i will experiment that next WE.
Another way is to use a brute force switcher using Mosfets to drive the transformer.

Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on August 29, 2011, 10:33:03 PM
@Croco31
The voltage between antenna is at max 38,7V rms since P=30W and R=50 ohms for an ideal antenna (max power dissipated). So you can't expect to have hundreds volts there.

The voltage you have on the multimeter with TT nearby the antenna is something else. It is the electric potential radiated and has a link with the emissivity of the antenna. It shows that some electromagnetic field is radiating but doesn't measure the voltage between the poles of the wire that feeds the antenna.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 29, 2011, 11:31:22 PM
Hi all,

Below is a Email from Peter Eichelkraut (eichekraut) to Neptune. Peter gave Ken permission to publish on the list.  Ken didn't know how to do that so asked me to do it for him so here it is. 

After reading the email, it seems we all are running into a wall at a certain point and we simply
are missing basic construction practices or do not have the correct information or materials to make the Reactor/Pyramid work.


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Peter Eichelkraut <p.eichelkraut@web.de>
Date: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM
Subject: Reactor
To: neptune8@sky.com


Hello Neptune,

i´m sorry for answering so late, but you know, sometimes work don´t goes so easy as you think it have to be.


Now i have to talk about the reactor:

I spent really many, many, many, many time (more than 300 hours till now) to build and activate reactors. And i proof them with the measurement as following: the first electrode from the multimeter at the inner coil of the reactor and the second electrode from the multimeter at the copper tube from the reactor. The multimeter shows me, when the reactor works, a voltage between 8mV up to 180mV (each reactor was different).
When i put my body between the copper tube and the second electrode of the multimeter, the multimeter shows me 100 to 400mV more than without my body between copper tube and electrode. So me and also Thomas think, that the reactors are working.
Now i have 2 good places for paramides in my garden, so i build 2 paramides and put them at these places. Hopefully i took the reactors and completed all two paramides to get this voltage for cut the wires at the capacitor. But there was no voltage, like you can see in the video of Thomas.
O. K. ...no voltage, even if i put all the other reactors inside (i have 7 working reactors).
So i looked the Video from Thomas again and again for see where i have to place the two electrodes from the multimeter. Always the same result: the elektrodes from the multimeter have to be at the minus and the plus at the paramide. Fine...but i diddn´t get any mvolt when i make measurement there.
Now i analize the Video of madsatbg and saw that he put one elektode from his multimeter at the plus or minus (it really doesn´t matter which one you take) from the paramide and the other one he put at the ground from the paramide (the ground from the metal frame, which has no connection with any coil at the inner of the paramide at this time)
And: than you will get the effect like you can see in the video of Thomas. But in my opinion: it could not be the right way, because it´s not like descriped in the video.
Anyway i tried to get sucess with this method, but of course the fan didn´t work.


Now i start to begin thinking about the reactors...better i would say: from where comes the small voltage, and why rise this voltage up when i put my body between.
And after really,really long search i found this two answers:
Its really rediculous, but when you inform (i know that you don´t like this word for this process) the sand very often, the isolation from the inner coil of the reactor begin to go in bad condition. This is because the sand jumps very often between the coil and the copper tube. Small space between the windings begin to let in some sand between the coil and the   INNER  copper tube.
This sand now jumps between this inner tube and the coil and also damages the isolatin of the wire, but you cannot see. Some information processes later, small pieces of the sand are getting into the isolation and makes bridges between the inner copper tube of the reactor and the COPPER of the coil. At these really really small points the isolation (PVC) of the wire and the sand are getting hot and start to burn the isolation. But you can only see it with a mikroscope. Now we have a small bridge between the reactor coil and the inner tube of the reactor, made of sand and charred (burned) PVC. These components with humidity are an alcalic cell. This is the reason why there´s a small voltage. You can make this voltage higher, if you inform more and more.

And the higher voltage with the body between???
Really easy: Put one electrode from your multimeter at a copper tube, the second electrode from your multimeter in the right hand and now with the left hand you touch the copper tube.
Your multimeter will show you something betwenn 50mV up to 300mV. These mv are only the reaction between the skin and the copper.


So what will i say with this:
First: i think all reactors i build till now are wrong
Second: we must find a really good way to inform the reactors and find out how to get good sand and so on and on...



Finally (this is really important for me): at this time it is the time for me to make some days holiday from this paramide-project, because i spent so much time at this project, that i lost really many nights to sleep, but i won´t give up this project. In my opinion there are only some small pieces of the puzzle we need to get. I hope Thomas will give them to us in the next days.



I hope this helps a little bit. I´m sorry that i didn´t sent any pictures with, but i´m really tired so i cannot take pictures now.


with all the best wishes

           Stefan 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tetrahedron on August 30, 2011, 12:46:17 PM
Hi all,
I am working my way through a book i read a few years ago called " The Secret Power of Pyramids" by Bill Schul & Ed Pettit" published in 1975.

I`m not too far into it yet, tho in the book they look at growing plants within the pyramid, and they carry out a number of experiments to suggest the best position is at the apex of the pyramid and not the kings chamber.
They tried different positions the ground level base produced poor results, higher at the kings chamber location, the plants grew steadily and healthily, but at the top of the pyramid resulted in more activity, and rapid growth.

From another source i remember an observation by another pro pyramid scientist that observed the kings chamber had residue on the walls as tho it was flooded with somekind of battery type liquid.

On another note whilst it maybe not practical for building a home made pyramid from the material i am about to suggest, it would be intresting if someone could use granite for the sides as apparently the Egyptians used granite because it has electrical properties

Pilots are advised to not fly directly over pyramids as it been reported to be a disruptive energy shooting upwards from the pyramids that makes the electrical instruments go haywire.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on August 30, 2011, 12:50:41 PM
hi all
Ben K4ZEP
Read the copy of the letter you published.
1.Avtor letter describes a pyramid as a kind of a galvanic cell fueled by moisture passing rivers under the ground?
2.Eli still be able to someone to run the fan as he can to work as a member?
3.Togda pyramid does not fit the status of free energy?
4.What do other inventors?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on August 31, 2011, 11:24:03 PM
HI all,

Just messing around here.  A FLUKE 77 IV, on DC mV range setting, hi and low (Peak settings) enabled,  with the negative of the meter connected to the bottom inner coil of the reactor and the positive connected to the upper copper inner tube, I find that with mild vibration on the outer coil, I get as much as 150mv peak DC out in this configuration.  Next want to see if there is a differential voltage between the inner and outer tube with the brass between.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: energia9 on September 01, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
where is Thomas?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on September 01, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
The last news we had was that Thomas was on holiday in Egypt . I do not know when he is due to return .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 01, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
I saw that there are many problems with reactors. I would want to make the notice that everybody used high voltage to charge the sand in the reactor; but Thomas used 27MHz low voltage high frequency to do it.

Yes, he said that we could use too high voltage; but maybe what he thought is not totally right. He thought he had a way to calculate the scaling of the reactor for the pyramid and it wasn't. Once again I don't say this to be negative at all or criticizing; we all experiment and he succeded in something wonderfull and shares it with patience and sometimes things aren't what we thought it would be, that's normal.

What I want to underline is that what Thomas really did in the video that we try to replicate is 27MHz transceiver as a sand charging power circuit and that worked to have a working pyramid and everybody tries something else and nothing works... maybe there is a relationship? I don't say it is the case, only I ask the question because it has a meaning.

I continue to set up my system to load my sand with CB output. I worked on it this afternoon and after long hours of work I could have a set up that would not destroy the devices to allow a work.

Here is a video of what I did; sorry again for my bad English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lweVCNSAMrE

I don't have more time to try it today, so I will do it tomorrow evening or this weekend. As I have a new pyramid 1 meter scale finished, I will be able to try all the system within the end of the weekend I think (if weather is good).

I have some problem with the wire lengths of Thomas for his capacitor: I watched the video many times and counted the number of turns of wire for inner coil and outer coil to have a consistency with the length of wire. I computed, using the wire outer diameter (standard for 1.5mm² wire in Europe) and I did the work with a plastic rod for true: my calculations gave the same I had with my real work and this is different from what we see in Thomas windings... and there is a problem of coherence.

See my paper here:
http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/531412pyra42.jpg

Maybe I mistaked in counting but I counted the number of his previous capacitor, and I could count the number of turn of the outside coil for its last capacitor (remember...he changed because of an error in the cutting angle) and the number of turn between the end of the outer coil and the end of the plastic rod; so I could calculate the number of turn of the inner coil and this time too it was the same number than for the first capacitor.

If his wire is not the same diameter of mine (that shouldn't, but let's say it) then I understand that we don't have the same number of turn, but I don't understand why the inner coil has less number of turns for him than mine and outer coil has more number of turns for him than mine. That could not happen, unless there is a difference of many decades of centimeters between each wire (I have less than 2 mm of difference between my wires because I first did a special work to assure that).

PS: I could buy a plastic rod 20mm in diameter made of PVC (you can't find this in a DIY store in France) in a company specialized in plastic boiling:
http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/768716pyra27.jpg

Interesting.... 11 meters (the length TT gave for the capacitor's wires) is approximately the wavelength of a 27MHz wave... maybe this length of capacitor work because the sand has been loaded with 27MHz signal and this resonant frequency is still present in the sand at a quantum level and can amplify itself in standing waves in the capacitor when excited.

It is another important reason to load the sand with the CB and not with high voltage according to me...
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on September 01, 2011, 11:03:57 PM
@Pascuser . A very interesting video . I am pleased that you were able to use my idea of extending the inner coil wire to get a better SWR . The SWR would have probably less variable if , as I suggested , you used a quarter wavelength wire extending downwards from the braid of the coaxial cable . The main thing is that you now have your SWR at a safe level , and can continue with filling the sand . Good luck with your results , and I do hope that you will keep us informed .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 02, 2011, 10:35:07 PM
@Neptune: thank you. I I used your idea. And I used too a wire connected to the copper tube and connected to the multimeter (its impedance was useful and I could achieve a SWR=1.1 at minimum).

I filled in the sand. I started with SWR=1.1 and while filling SWR was slowly growing up to 1.9 when finished, because the reactor capacitance was changing because of the sand.

I tried to measure the E-field radiated before filling, but the high frequency too high power currents were blocking my multimeters, there is a lot of power (50Watts measured on the Power meter when SWR=1.1 so power measurement is good).

Here videos (with comments in english):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSWXoyzoN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El1t5qqkWPw

Voltage AC and DC after filling with "charged" sand (comments in french but measurements are easily understandable on the video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFvp7Tk1ox0

I can read AC  and DC voltages between copper tube and coil wire but it has no special meaning since it varies not much and when I let the wires go down on the ground I can have more voltage.

Depending where my multimeter is on my desk I can have 1.8volts or 0.5volts or 200mV. It depends, according to me, on the electromagnetic E-field radiating from devices in my room (50Hz current). I can't read something interesting with this measurement.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 03, 2011, 02:23:16 PM
I realised this morning that I did not paid attention to the way I plugged the output of my signal on the reactor. I checked what I did and I did plug the mass output on the coil wire and the signal on the copper tube. So it has been charged the wrong way.

Before sanding again in the good way, I made a voltage measurement in the garden, far away from electromagnetic radiating devices. Here is what I had:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jp3mCJ9rd4

Then I plugged my output correctly, I emptied the reactor from its sand, made it cook 10 minutes again in the oven and used it again to fill in.

Here I could not use wire on the copper tube, if so the SWR was 3 with 1 meter wire and 5 with 2 meters wire; with the multimeter plugged on these wires it was more than 10. Without any connection I could achieve a SWR=1.5 or 1.6 approximately.

I filmed the filling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ1HdL9M-1I

Then I measured again in my garden the voltages, so we can have a comparison between reactors with a good way of charging and a bad way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cRXXnBukjU

But nothing changes!

I can't have voltages values interesting to notice.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on September 03, 2011, 07:10:19 PM
Very interesting experiments.
But the reactor may be because moisture it stand above the underground river.
What then?
And if I can run the fan how long it will last?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 05, 2011, 08:45:58 PM
I finished the assembly of the pyramid, replication scale 1 of Thomas Trawoeger's one.

I detected again the node to use (Hartmann walls crossing above a water line). I feeled the node with my hand, eyes closed, as a small warm. I detected this warm in the hand just 2 centimeters besides the center of what should be the node, so it works!.

here picture attachments with the pyramid set-up.

Then videos to explain my tests:

Presentation of the pyramid and its set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPfp_PhEcCY

Cutting the wires of the capacitor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8XJkXLrOU

Fan test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J157Xxvp_fU

For the moment nothing works.
As I never had millivolts, the sand charging should be the main cause. But why? I charged with 50 watts and a better adjustment of SWR than Thomas did (not to burn my amplifier) so with more power than him, and approximately the same frequency (channel 40 used and not channel 1 in 27MHz band).

I need Thomas's help to go further.

My node could be not so powerfull, but I had no millivolts, and this should occur, followinf Thomas' videos, although you are not on the correct point and not well oriented. So again, my sand charging is the black point that is in question.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on September 05, 2011, 09:21:52 PM
@Pascuser . First let me say that the work of you and your friend appears to be of very high quality .You have obviously spent a lot of time and money on this project . I am not sure that I understand the problem you are having with the wire on the capacitor . I think that the important thing is that the inner wire and the outer wire should be exactly the same length . The other possible problem that you may have is the type of sand . I think that there are now several people who are in the same situation as you are . They have completed a pyramid , and got no results . I do not know when Thomas is due to return from Egypt . However , I feel that if he really wants to see his work replicated and advanced ,he needs to give help to the people who are trying to help him .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 06, 2011, 08:10:44 AM
Yes, help is needed. For me, step 1 of the system has not passed; step 1 is the millivolt reading for the reactor before all is correctly oriented and above the node that Thomas had and said we should have. If not, then the sand is the problem according to him (troubleshooting Thomas's video).

I used sand specially bought for swimming pool filtration. I tested it with a magnet, there is no magnetic material inside. I filtered it with a 0.8 mm filter so to have the same particle size than him. I made it cook 40 minutes in the oven 180°C (very hot) before using. I used the same kind of procedure with 27MHz CB.

So yes, the trouble may be in the sand, but as I can't test all the possible sands in the world; a great help from Thomas could be to send to some of us (people with no working reactor) an amount of the sand he uses for his reactor, so we could test if this solves the problem. A test with the high voltage charging  and with a CB charging; not sending sand to the whole planet, and we could say: yes or not this solves the trouble, to know wether our sand was not good.

The problem I had with the capacitor is the following: Thomas said that the length of the inner and outer coil must be the same, 11 meters approximately; but most important the exact same length (with a 10 centimeters error). I used a 1.5mm² wire like him; insulation gain and wire diameter is a standard for this kind of wire used in electricity in Europe. I have the same. I rolled it on a PVC rod, diameter 20mm, the same as his. I tightened coil turns so there was no spacing. Then I had 150 turns for my inner coil and 122 turns for the outer coil, with an exact length of 11 meters with an error less than 2 millimeters.

Now I counted the number of turns he had: 142 full turns (and two halfs = 143) for the inner coil and 125 turns (and two halfs = 126) for its outer coil.  I counted its turn number on the video on various pictures where I could and I find the same number I wrote here each times. So I don't have the same number of turn. A little difference in the wire diameter could explain it... if there were no inconsistency.

Because he has less turn than me for the inner and more turns than me for the outer. This is not possible, altough wire diameter is not the same. It is possible only if there is a big difference of length between its wires. The inner one should be 10.49 meters and the outer one 11.36m to explain this. So you see that we have not an exact equality of wire length with a 0.1m error. This is a problem for me with the capacitor. But since the capacitor isn't the problem I have now, but the reactor sanding first; this problem is not a priority!
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on September 06, 2011, 07:18:28 PM
@Pascuser .I would deal with the capacitor problem for now by not worrying about the number of turns , just the wire length .I think it was you who said that the wire length , 11 metres is approximately the wavelength at 27 Mhz and this is probably more important than the inductance of the capacitor coils . You are right when you say that you can not try every kind of sand in the world . If you look back through the threads , madsatbg shows some test results for different kinds of sand , and this may help you . If everything else fails , we shall have to wait for the return of TT . Good luck .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: GPS25 on September 14, 2011, 09:10:22 AM
As well Thomas's project I am experimenting with the pyramid shape to see the benefits growing vegies in a Pyramid Shape Green House.Those interested can watch my video of how to build One .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NagJ6fN_9UQ&feature=channel_video_title

Anybody interested follow the idea and lets see the real facts.
Best Wishes George.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on September 21, 2011, 05:52:11 PM
Hi all,

Lets go back to a little bit of basic theory.  Simple ohms law.  The series DC resistance of the double coils, internal and external that connect to the Capacitor are approximately 1 ohm.  I'm rounding off here to make calculations easy.  Now in the outdoor video part 2 @ 5:51 the Model power meter shows  approximately 7.80 VDC @ .35 amps into a load @ 2.7 watts.  As this is a series circuit, the coils/power source and the motor load, we know that across the RESISTANCE of the coils X the series DC current,  we would only show .35 VDC across that portion of the circuit but the nice little voltmeter in the unit is showing 7.8 VCE!!!!!.  Something is rotten here.  We have a circuit that simply can not work as shown.  I highly suspect that there are rechargeable batteries in the "Reactor" for many reasons.

#1.  Voltages always shown are multiples of voltages from nicads or lithium batteries not the 12VDC as promised.
#2.  We are never shown the voltages in the circuit when started, only when running.
#3.  He said voltage is not important, only current.  In the circuit shown, that is NOT true.  Voltage does not vary but by a few hundred mv
when load is varied, indicative of a low impedance battery in the circuit.
#4.  His unit works inside and we are told to work it outside with nothing close.
#5.  Never demonstrated unit working and then moved off north or off "dowsing point".
#6.  For a short time in one of the outside videos there was a large 2"tube coil/tube with clip leads, when asked, said was for stopping
the device.  I suspect it was for charging the batteries.
#7.  Never showed the device powering the 20+ watt unit for several hours, only for a few seconds.  No problem for Lithium batteries.
#8.  Test early on for a working reactor are bogus, simple ac induction from surround area as several people have noted.  A total mis-use
of test equipment.

It simply boils down to you can't have 7.8VDC across a  1 ohm source/resistance in a parallel circuit drawing .35 amps in that loop.  See attached photo.  Actually, Resistance could be as low as .2 to .3 ohms for the coil as TT told me the external coil was not needed, only smoothed the output.  Which makes the circuit even more impossible to explain.  Figures don't lie, but liars figure.
 
It just goes on and on, I could give a hundred reasons I see where there are problems in the description/etc. I am ashamed that I was sucked into this.  I let my heart not my mind guide me away from everything I have learned/know over a lifetime of electronic work.  Damn, we so much want to believe!!!!!

Having talked to TT extensively, I do NOT HAVE A CLUE why he has went to all this work to do this.  He seems a pleasant, honest chap and I suspect his knowledge of electronics is much more than he indicates.  Go figure!

He said he sent me parts but has not given me a tracking number after repeated request and as of this date, they have not arrived after approximately 2 months.

I have seen the work of all out there by  and it is some very fine, detailed work. I commend you all! Folks, never forget simple DC circuits/ohms law in series and parallel branch circuits.  A load is a load, a volt is a volt, a source is a source and a amp is an amp, etc.  Never let your heart overcome your brain when it comes to science!  That's all I have to say.  I'm simply throwing away all this work today as wife wants it out of the Condo and am calling it quits on this device.  I simply refuse to waste any more time on it.

Respect to all,
I remain,
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: nul-points on September 21, 2011, 06:39:35 PM
 
[...]
Having talked to TT extensively, I do NOT HAVE A CLUE why he has went to all this work to do this
[...]
Respect to all,
I remain,
Ben K4ZEP


hi Ben

here's just one possible scenario:

$$$

early on (too early for real indications of failure) TT couldn't be more helpful ("let me send some working 'reactors' to folks"), then gives positive feedback ("yes, Mr AAAAA, your reactor is obviously working")

everyone has good vibes about both TT & the new technology - all is well, and success is 'just around the corner' - folks on several forums all agree

that was then the ideal time to sucker some company or person big-time - sell the rights and buy a new yacht


sorry to hear the TT saga has reached this sadly familiar point  :(

kudos for the all the persistent, fine work achieved by you and the many others in seeing this thing through so far

may the spirits of the Egyptian warriors apply justice where it is due!  ;)
np

http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com (http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com)
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tinu on September 21, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
@ all,

Read my lips, pls:

I fully respect your views but I do not give him that benefit.
He is a pathological liar, at least. A world-class impostor.
(Oh, check his site: same old story.)


Ben, I’m really, really sorry for what happened to you and for your feelings.  (Yeah, I know their taste.)
Not only that, but I’m ashamed because we again allowed it to happen and it happens mostly to very special people…

Best regards,
Tinu
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on September 21, 2011, 06:55:13 PM
@ all,

Read my lips, pls:


Ben, I’m really, really sorry for what happened to you and for your feelings.  (Yeah, I know their taste.)
Not only that, but I’m ashamed because we again allowed it to happen and it happens mostly to very special people…

Best regards,
Tinu

Hi Tinu, Neptune, all,

It isn't my feelings that are hurt,t, its where I keep kicking my self!  Hey, I've eaten crow so many times, I now like it 'blackened" with a side order of fries. I'll keep looking, life is good! 

Ben

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on September 21, 2011, 06:56:20 PM
Hi Ben . I feel the need to publicly apologise for recommending you for this project . I made no secret of the fact that I would not spend time and money on this , as I had already built the early V6 version with negative results . You , and a lot more people spent a lot of time and effort , not to mention money on this . On his website and his videos , TT bangs on about changing the world , and creating a better future for his grandchildren . In reality , he has wasted the time and resources of many gifted people who would otherwise be engaged in meaningful OU research .
      At the risk of sounding like a cracked record , I will repeat that Overunity technology is easy to understand compared to the psychology behind it . The kindest thing I can think of to say is that TT suffers from delusions . There is much more I could say , but maybe I have already said enough .What hope for Humanity?
    @tinu . You have every right to say "I told you so . "
    @Ben , we have an old cookbook with a recipe called "Rook Pie " if it helps .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 21, 2011, 10:35:16 PM
Thomas Trawoeger is not present, and does not answer our important questions, that's a fact.

That it could be a cheat, we all know it from beginning; and working on this project is the same than for many others: it is a risk.

But we have no proof that his work is a cheating at all. Yes, he says things but don't do it (he said he would send you a reactor, he said he would send me one for 50cm pyramid, etc). he does not spend time to really help people working here. Doing a video with many holes and saying: all is explained so now do it alone is not a good solution.

But, again, we mustn't conclude that he cheated.

We must wait that he decides to help people really, with all what has been asked that he never did.

He told me in July:

"You cant thrust any multimeter, because the Energy output of this reactor is not some known energy coming with two poles :-)
Maybe you saw my outdoor video from V12. The Fan started to turn,but the multimeter showed "NOTHING".
This is because the electrones in the reactor are some overspeeded parts.
You will see, in some cases you can run the Fan with only one Poleout of the Pyramide. But you cant tell this to the guys on the forums, because they will call you a fool :-) "

I know that what is classic laws of electricity does not work with overunity energy.
I worked on a project with a french physicist whose work really is overunity. I tested it myself during months. But I can't get more that 12 Watts with it. COP=10 000, you use micro watts and get watts.

You have a current circulating at the poles of a copper short circuit. If you use classic electricity this is not possible with ohm's law.

So you can't reject this because it does not work like you think it should.
We must recognize that TT is not helping anybody at all for the moment and that nobody can replicate it. Maybe he cheats, maybe not. Ohm's law can't be used to know or other classical laws.

I work on a Tesla longitudinal transmitter since 10 days and it is overunity, COP=1.5
There again classic laws can't be used: when you push the transmitter away, power doesn't decrease in a reverse square law; it gets the same (it decreases when too long away, but remains stable and overunity a long path).

Again don't conclude with what you know.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on September 22, 2011, 05:55:42 PM
Hi Ben . I feel the need to publicly apologise for recommending you for this project . I made no secret of the fact that I would not spend time and money on this , as I had already built the early V6 version with negative results . You , and a lot more people spent a lot of time and effort , not to mention money on this . On his website and his videos , TT bangs on about changing the world , and creating a better future for his grandchildren . In reality , he has wasted the time and resources of many gifted people who would otherwise be engaged in meaningful OU research .
      At the risk of sounding like a cracked record , I will repeat that Overunity technology is easy to understand compared to the psychology behind it . The kindest thing I can think of to say is that TT suffers from delusions . There is much more I could say , but maybe I have already said enough .What hope for Humanity?
    @tinu . You have every right to say "I told you so . "
    @Ben , we have an old cookbook with a recipe called "Rook Pie " if it helps .

Hi Neptune,

No apology needed.  We all had a great time!  I met some fine folk and
the work continues. 

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on September 22, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
Thomas Trawoeger is not present, and does not answer our important questions, that's a fact.

That it could be a cheat, we all know it from beginning; and working on this project is the same than for many others: it is a risk.

But we have no proof that his work is a cheating at all. Yes, he says things but don't do it (he said he would send you a reactor, he said he would send me one for 50cm pyramid, etc). he does not spend time to really help people working here. Doing a video with many holes and saying: all is explained so now do it alone is not a good solution.

But, again, we mustn't conclude that he cheated.

We must wait that he decides to help people really, with all what has been asked that he never did.

He told me in July:

"You cant thrust any multimeter, because the Energy output of this reactor is not some known energy coming with two poles :-)
Maybe you saw my outdoor video from V12. The Fan started to turn,but the multimeter showed "NOTHING".
This is because the electrones in the reactor are some overspeeded parts.
You will see, in some cases you can run the Fan with only one Poleout of the Pyramide. But you cant tell this to the guys on the forums, because they will call you a fool :-) "

I know that what is classic laws of electricity does not work with overunity energy.
I worked on a project with a french physicist whose work really is overunity. I tested it myself during months. But I can't get more that 12 Watts with it. COP=10 000, you use micro watts and get watts.

You have a current circulating at the poles of a copper short circuit. If you use classic electricity this is not possible with ohm's law.

So you can't reject this because it does not work like you think it should.
We must recognize that TT is not helping anybody at all for the moment and that nobody can replicate it. Maybe he cheats, maybe not. Ohm's law can't be used to know or other classical laws.

I work on a Tesla longitudinal transmitter since 10 days and it is overunity, COP=1.5
There again classic laws can't be used: when you push the transmitter away, power doesn't decrease in a reverse square law; it gets the same (it decreases when too long away, but remains stable and overunity a long path).

Again don't conclude with what you know.

Good Morning Pascuser,

I won't get into a debate with you but remember this.  In the outdoor video I mentioned in my post.  THERE WAS REAL VOLTAGE, REAL CURRENT and REAL POWER being used by the fan and the load motor!.  Its as simple as that. He was asking us to trust REAL meter/s to show that.   All the statements in not trusting, etc. take it as you will.  Ohms law was at work in that video else you could not have shown current (voltage drop across sensing resistor!) and hence power!!!  He also stated that this device could charge a multi FARAD Cap.  That is real voltage, real current and real power.  When the motor ran and meter did not show voltage was it set on AC (which would show no DC voltage) or not?  Easy to misdirect a person watching and go Ohhhhhhuuuuuuuuu.  You must be very careful.

I wish you the best and best of luck in your continuing work on this device. 

Tesla has my highest respect, I won't even go into his brilliance here.

This is my last comment on the subject.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on September 22, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Hello.
Long there was no comment, all in anticipation
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on September 22, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
Ben K4ZEP and other
We have a saying, "Hope dies last."
On the German people are also waiting for our arrival TT
And they believe that fellow citizens do not deceive you.
Let's not diverge far!

In the meantime, the pyramid can be used for a greenhouse:) :D
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tinu on September 22, 2011, 09:03:32 PM
In the meantime, the pyramid can be used for a greenhouse:) :D

Or as a dog house.
…a zapped dog  ;D  (we wish)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ramset on September 28, 2011, 08:14:29 PM
K4zep
Help, We need a coach Over at Energetic !
A Ham with antenna experience ,No building required just a knowledgeable pair of eyes!

Over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8999-peter-daysh-davey-water-heater-query.html#post155015

Its a Peter Davey replication Except with a Russian twist,the inventor is assisting in the replication [language barrier?]
Helping with a PDF...........
We are going to be doing some "Tuning"??

The job don't pay much But if we get it going Watch Out!!

Even if you can't help I would still like you to be aware !

With all respect

Chet
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: k4zep on September 28, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
K4zep
Help, We need a coach Over at Energetic !
A Ham with antenna experience ,No building required just a knowledgeable pair of eyes!

Over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8999-peter-daysh-davey-water-heater-query.html#post155015

Its a Peter Davey replication Except with a Russian twist,the inventor is assisting in the replication [language barrier?]
Helping with a PDF...........
We are going to be doing some "Tuning"??

The job don't pay much But if we get it going Watch Out!!

Even if you can't help I would still like you to be aware !

With all respect

Chet

Hi Chet,

Going on a long weekend vacation starting tonight.  When I get back next Wed. I'll check it out and see if I can be of any help
in a positive way.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: ramset on September 29, 2011, 12:07:54 AM
Have a good  time Ben!
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on September 30, 2011, 06:38:29 PM
I wrote email to Thomas today (this afternoon). I asked him help on his TPP project for builders like us and wether he was yet interested in this project bacause we had no news.

He replied me today:
Quote from: Thomas Trawoeger
Hello Pascuser
I am still travelling between AUSTRIA AND Egypt, and so i am not really able
to make great mails with my smartphone.
In the first days of october i will be back for all questions.
Please tell to all guys in the forum, i didnt forgot them :-)
Yours sincerely, Thomas

So be patient for the moment.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: zhak on October 02, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
Thank Pascuser
We'll wait.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: kokoro on October 25, 2011, 06:59:47 PM
First of all, thanks to Thomas Trawöger for his online construction video's about his Power Pyramide V12 !

I think I wanne gives this one a try !

I'am a teacher in electrics and communication systems and living in The Netherlands.
Don't worry, an open-minded one !  ;)
With Quantum Mechanics I can put a lot of learned knowledge away.

It's pretty easy for me to get the materials.
My country uses the metric (mm, cm and meters) system to...but, we use american value pipe system.
8 mm pipe is very special here and not commenly used.

1,5mm copper wire,  not any problem !
1,5mm (black) and 2,5mm (brown/blue/yellow-green) solid wire is basic household wiring here.
1mm, 1,5mm and 2,5mm flexible wiring also here.

We have enough white 1,5mm we can't use (bad order, color is not accepted in 230V / 400V installations here)
So it's good for the projects  :)

12mm Copper Pipe is basic household piping here.
No problem getting 12mm, 22mm, 28mm copper pipe here.
Have some 35mm (we don't have much because high price and only used in special occasions)

I Have already done some test wiring the coils.
But I don't want to cut my 35mm copperpipe unless I'am sure about the length value !





Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: kokoro on October 25, 2011, 07:05:20 PM
For "polarizing" the quartz I have two powersources at home.

1 x 12.5 kV Positive (500uA protection limit)
1 x 12.5 kV Negative (500uA protection limit)
makes 25kV total ("Safe" but very painfull when touched..12.5 kV was really painfull !)

So, Can I join the party ?!

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: francois.jo on October 31, 2011, 01:34:05 AM
salut,
tout nouveau sur le site ,mais bravo pour la pyramide ,reste a prouver certaines choses ..n'est ce pas simplement
une capture des ondes radio? et l'effet de la pyramide pas évident..mais très possible.il faudrait travailler dessus en radiesthesie ..
salutations
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: lancerdoom on December 10, 2011, 07:57:16 PM
i have 5.5kv AC volt transformer, can i use this AC volt transformer to charge pyramid power reactor ? if not then how can convert that into DC volts ?


Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 10, 2011, 08:22:58 PM
Do not waste your time on this . Trawoeger is a fraud and a fake of the worst kind .
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: gegyx on December 21, 2011, 07:15:35 PM

Funny fact :

 :) 


Does that voice sound familiar to you ?


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ocPYYEv37g&list=UUi3fFZN1pwHTyM8H_nSxerg&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ocPYYEv37g&list=UUi3fFZN1pwHTyM8H_nSxerg&feature=plcp)



 Perhaps, someone who might lost himself in Pyramids sands ?
 ::)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Pascuser on December 21, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
Whose voice is it?
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: tagor on December 22, 2011, 07:29:32 AM
Whose voice is it?

c'est la voix de notre petit suisse : Laurent
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: hory on January 10, 2012, 06:59:06 PM
Hello Everybody,

Has someone noticed, what Thomas said, and did in the video? He said that in the reactor the inner and outer coil shold have wound in the same direction(cw and cw, or ccw and ccw). I watched the whole movie many times, but I think he wound the inner ond outer coil in opossite direction. (inner:ccw, outer:cw)

Regards.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: d3x0r on January 11, 2012, 04:37:46 AM
 
I have some stuff :)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/77496863/TPP-Replication-1-0 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/77496863/TPP-Replication-1-0)

I got a new meter that can measure farads, so measuing these two coil caps, they are 492-498
(yesterday) to 500pf(today both).  call them 500 for grins.  And they are nearly identical
depsite being 10m and 11m of wire.
 
My coils are
3mm wire diameter(with insulator)
96 windings each
261mm length of coil

inner coil is...
9.8mm (core it's wound on)
12.8mm (diameter at center of conductor)
15.7mm (diameter measured outside conductor)

outer coil is...
42.1mm (core it's wound on)
44.85mm (diameter at center of conductor?)
47.6mm (outer diameter (on electircal tape?))

so that would give the inner coil...
3.2uH(inner diamter)... 5.5uH(conductor)...  8.3uH(outside)

that would give my outer coil...
57.4uH(inner)... 64.9uH(conductor)... 72.8uH(outer diameter)

that results in a range of 60.6-81.1uH
with an average of 70.4uH

according to my signal generator pumping the circuit at 1.133Mhz (http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/ (http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/) ) the coils would be 78.93uH at 250pf (with caps in parallel)

Going the other way knowing the capacitors and calculated uH I can get kHz
790.359khz - 914.321khz (using one capacitor 500pf)
1117.73khz - 1289.8567khz (using both caps in parallel)

turns out that if I connect my scope to one of these capacitors and put my hand on the capacitor and turn the sensitivity way up, I get a strong frequency about 1.2Mhz...( I guess this the the AM station that comes in pretty string on 1230AM)

 
Is there really 2.5watts or something one can pick up with a cone/pyramid antenna on an AM oscillator?
 

Also TT didn't go into much detail on what high voltage is, I found from research that his was a 5KV transformer, but was he running that off of straight AC?  so it was a 50Hz wave?  If I get an ignition coil and drive it with an audio amplifier with my signal generator with a square wave and can get 30KV(or so) is that enough?  how many amps is it? do amps matter?  What is ther pecentage of magnetite in his sand?  Mine is high enough that a cup full or so will get a small amount collected around a magnet in a plastic bag....  If I used this bashar coil (a conical coil with wide frequency responce characteristics) would I harvest more than a single band of AM at a time? Sorry I'm starting to diverge.
 
http://basharspacetimeantenna.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/joakims-antenna.jpg (http://basharspacetimeantenna.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/joakims-antenna.jpg)

(links I may or may not have included)
coil inductance calculator
http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/coil_calc.aspx (http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/coil_calc.aspx)
lc circuit
http://www.deephaven.co.uk/lc.html (http://www.deephaven.co.uk/lc.html)
http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/ (http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/)
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Ruud on June 12, 2012, 10:44:55 PM
Hallo ik ben Ruud uit nederland.
Ik wil graag melden dat ook ik een werkende piramide heb.
Zie foto.
Wel is mijn DC voltage nog wat laag.
ik kom van 3,6 volt tot 5.1 net genoeg om de fan te laten draaien.
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: prato_braun on June 28, 2012, 12:51:41 PM
Hallo ik ben Ruud uit nederland.
Ik wil graag melden dat ook ik een werkende piramide heb.
Zie foto.
Wel is mijn DC voltage nog wat laag.
ik kom van 3,6 volt tot 5.1 net genoeg om de fan te laten draaien.


Hi Ruud,


that's awesome to hear!! And your built looks very nice and professional. I asked you some questions in a PM but I'll just repeat them here as it will probably be  interesting for a lot of people.


How did you electrify the core? What sand did you use? Could you take a video how you set it up and how it is running? How did you find a good spot for it? Are there any updates?

Cheers and thanks a lot for your post,


Prato
 
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: prato_braun on June 28, 2012, 12:57:57 PM
Hi Ruud,


unfortunately I don't speak Dutch but German and I just realized, that you wrote that your fan isn't turning as the voltage doesn't suffice. Did you run any other loads from the pyramid? Did you try to charge batteries or capacitors?  Did you try to step it up?
Sorry that I'm asking so much things but I'm getting really excited as this is the first positive result that is published.
Cheers,


Prato
Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: fritz on June 29, 2012, 07:58:53 AM
Hi Ruud,

Did you try different fans ?
There are fans which start up at almost 3V - even if they are rated for 12 Volts.
These fans are of the brushless motor type.
If you look at TTs videos, it takes a bit until the reactor starts up, TTs kicking the fan
and fiddling with the output cap. rgds.




Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: RedBaron on July 03, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
Hi Ruud
Wat als je de piramide van de grond te tillen? zet deze op een tafel of ondersteuning zoals TT. Ik geloof dat het kan niet plat op de grond als de grond is dicht zoals beton.

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: RedBaron on July 03, 2012, 04:10:47 PM
For everyone else; try your pyramids off the ground. Put it on a table or a frame of some sort like TT has it sitting on.

Has anyone considered "The Great Pyramid is the only pyramid to have chambers above ground level." His initial project was to replicate the Great Pyramid if I remember correctly. Did he or anyone else considered that the other 100s of pyramids on earth have no chambers above ground level. Maybe TT's pyramid is producing power below the pyramid but producing enough that he is getting lucky and picking up a small ratio of it in the middle of the pyramid? Possibly if the electronics were below the pyramid, it may work better?

We also need to consider environment in the big picture. What is the relationship to sea level, IE is your pyramid below sea level or above and how far above? what is relationship to major water sources, what is your physical locations relationship to the equator? I believe these will all have an effect on the output. It may not stop the show but it may decrease by a percentage or increase by a percentage... or they may not.



Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Void on October 03, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Lets go back to a little bit of basic theory.  Simple ohms law.  The series DC resistance of the double coils, internal and external that connect to the Capacitor are approximately 1 ohm.  I'm rounding off here to make calculations easy.  Now in the outdoor video part 2 @ 5:51 the Model power meter shows  approximately 7.80 VDC @ .35 amps into a load @ 2.7 watts.  As this is a series circuit, the coils/power source and the motor load, we know that across the RESISTANCE of the coils X the series DC current,  we would only show .35 VDC across that portion of the circuit but the nice little voltmeter in the unit is showing 7.8 VCE!!!!!.  Something is rotten here.  We have a circuit that simply can not work as shown.  I highly suspect that there are rechargeable batteries in the "Reactor" for many reasons.

A few comments on the circuit. The equivalent electric circuit of the TTP v12 circuit is
not a series circuit, it is a parallel LC tank  circuit, and the electric fan motor (load) is
connected in parallel to the parallel LC tank circuit. Someone already posted an
equivalent circuit drawing previously, but I have attached the relevant part of that drawing again,
slightly modified, showing that this is a parallel LC tank circuit (with possibly some unknown
energy/signal input or interaction from the charged/aligned quartz sand and copper tube
components located at the focal point of the pyramid).

If you supply a DC pulse to a parallel tank circuit, it will not give you a clean DC pulse out,
but will actually give you a damped ringing waveform. Such a repeating damped ringing
waveform can be seen in TT's oscilloscope video, with some other signals showing in there
to a lesser extent as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2HZSNitxVk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2HZSNitxVk)

[Note added later:] From the looks of the oscilloscope waveform, it looks like the
LC tank circuit is being excited somehow with repetitive pulses with associated damped ringing oscillations
from the LC tank circuit following each pulse, and from time to time you can see what appears to
possibly be a brief larger pulse with oscillations on the scope as well. There also appear to be much smaller
and shorter duration pulses occuring at a higher frequency superimposed on the damped ringing oscillations.
I can't tell what the scope time base setting is from looking at the video, so I don't know what the frequency of the
pulses might be, and the frequency of the assiciated damped ringing oscillations, etc.,  might be.
Also, because the scope can be set various ways, it is hard to know if there is a DC component to
to this signal or not (I can't tell where the scope 0 volts level line is set to, or whether DC blocking
in enabled on the scope or not).

If this is a hoax, then it is possible that TT could be secretly feeding this circuit with a continuous pulse train
or other signal; but, if not a hoax, then this is very interesting to be sure. Would be interested to know what
frequency those pulses are occurring at for starters. This could be determined from the scope
if the time base setting on the scope was known.

If a given circuit is not generating pure DC or a pure 50 or 60 Hz sinewave AC signal, then a typical
multimeter will not give very meaningful readings other than to possibly indicate that there is
some sort of voltage and current waveform present. Actual voltage and current reading numbers would
not be meaningful in such a case however. Based on the waveforms shown in TT's oscilloscope
video, a person would definitely want to be using an oscilloscope to make any meaningful
voltage measurements of the TTP v12 circuit.

As to whether this is just a hoax or not, anything is possible.
I don't know TT and have never communicated with him, and I don't know
what communications may have gone on between TT and others in private,
but there could be many reasons why he stopped publicly communicating with people
about his TTP v12 project. He may have got fed up with many people emailing and
phoning him and asking so many questions, etc., even though he made it clear he
didn't want people to contact him directly unless invited, or he may have had personal
problems or other demands arise,  or he could have been made a financial offer that he just couldn't
refuse  :), etc., etc. Unless someone has some real evidence that this is just a hoax,
then I personally wouldn't be too quick to jump to any conclusions anyway. TT certainly
seemed sincere enough in his videos.

I would be willing to give this a go if I can get my hands on the exact 'reactor' components
so as to be able to duplicate the 'reactor' exactly as shown in the step by step video. I searched
for those exact reducer brass end caps on the web and couldn't find anything even close however.
That would appear to be a show stopper as this circuit appears to be very finicky at best and
a replication attempt would likely need to follow the original design shown in the video very exactly.

Happy experimenting everyone....  :)

Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Void on October 03, 2012, 11:50:12 PM
By the way, if anyone out there in Europe knows where to get those exact brass
fittings that TT is using in his TTP v12 tutorial videos, if you can let me know I would
appreciate it.  The brass fitting appears to have a hex nut on the outside of the wide
end with threads on the inside of the wide end, and which goes down to a much
smaller diameter brass tube fitting on the other end. The wide end inner diameter
would likely be in the 28mm to 30mm diameter range, and the narrow end inner
diameter would have to be around 10mm or so, since the wide and narrow copper
pipes can fit into these holes. TT indicated that these brass fittings should be readily available
in plumbing stores (at least in Austria), but I would guess that this should also be so for
other European countries as well. If anyone knows where these brass fittings can be obtained from,
I would appreciate hearing from you. :) I am interested in building this to experiement with,
but it seems TT indicated that he tried it and couldn't get it working without those brass
end caps.






Title: Re: Trawöger Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Dom Tesla on November 05, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
Where the f*** is mr trawöger?!? How can somebody make a project open source and not respond to anything regarding his project.... What is wrong with you Thomas.... If it was fraud, just admit.... at least people will stop wasting their time... If it is not... and you got those good intentions, Tommy, why dont you help? ha? Its just like the first pyramid.... ?  So far you s*** , man - Probably just made this whole thing up too feed your deteriorating ego....

This threat should be closed, to save all you inspired souls from the penalty of failing, trying to reproduce something wich never worked in the beginning....

You are fake T.T. as fake as one could be.... your even worse than those goverment agents....

I got to admit.... this post is really rude, but just think about all those wasted hours all you guys spent...
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Free-Dom on September 28, 2013, 06:57:32 PM
Indeed that's a very interesting device.
And it doesn't seem to me like a fake - too bad that Mr. Trawöger isn't available.
So nobody except him has ever managed to build this one?
I would be very interested, in building such a device too, but unforutnately I've absolute no knowledge in electrical engineering...
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: protonmom on January 13, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Paul-R on January 13, 2016, 04:41:49 PM
Ebay user vila_restor is selling them for about £7. I would get another one. If this one goes rubbery, then you may be on the edge of a major discovery.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Cherryman on January 13, 2016, 05:21:11 PM
Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.


Just to make it clear.


You had a ferrite rod, wich you bought a few years back.
All those years it stayed hard, but after a few hours in your pyramid it turnt into a rubber like substance?


Thats intrestring.


Try some other material in its place and see if you notice physical changes!


Good luck.   



Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: protonmom on January 13, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
I just found this information on the net.  It is probably close to the answer, although I was not using the rod as an antenna.  However, my pyramid is not exactly typical, so perhaps there is something in it's construction that caused the transformation.  Who knows?  Maybe I will try to use a rod wound as an antenna and put that in the pyramid and see what happens.  Here is the article I just found:
*************
  https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part7/page5.html

 
Losses in the ferrite mean that, if we try using the ferrite in a TX antenna the power dissipated may heat up the material until it decomposes or melts. Since the ferrite behaviour tends to ‘vanish’ ( (https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/%7Ewww_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part7/Images/page5/Exp23.gif) falls to unity) when try to apply a large field we also find that it simply refuses to work as expected when we try to transmit significant power levels. For these reasons the Ferrite Rod makes an excellent RX antenna, but is not used for signal transmission except where the power level to be transmitted is quite low (typically less than a Watt or so).  

 
Content and pages maintained by: Jim Lesurf (jcgl@st-and.ac.uk)
University of St. Andrews, St Andrews, Fife KY16 9SS, Scotland.
 
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: pomodoro on January 14, 2016, 01:28:28 PM
Ferrite is a ceramic made in a furnace. Its brittle and cracks under pressure. No chemicals or radiation or overloading will ever turn it rubbery and change  its shape .Most likely some enamel coating or some other Chinese junk on top  is softening.
Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: protonmom on January 15, 2016, 09:48:46 AM
Hi Pomodoro.  I agree with you, which is why I suspected the ebay seller of ripping me off.  However, the other rods which I have not yet used (same order from seller) are very brittle.  This one that turned rubbery, seemed brittle too at first.  As of today, it is still in the rubber state, and I have not had the time to do anything more with it.  I wish I could find that ad from which I bought the rods so that you all could be forewarned.  Unless something "magical" is happening (which I doubt) to turn these into rubber consistency, then someone online is getting rich ripping off their customers.  I cannot see how I could have produced enough "heat" needed to "melt" the ferrite.  But I intend to continue experimenting as time and health allows, to see if there is anything to it.  Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyrami
Post by: Eniac5state on May 28, 2016, 11:04:27 AM
 I am very dissapointed in the people here. You didn't do any homework on pyramids !
 And how to get basic results fast. First Egypt is totally hot and dry.
 Is your place ? You have no basic knowledge. You have no basic knowledge.

 K4ZEP should be ashamed of himself. He knows that an electronic crystal should
 not be short circuited like he does !  What school have you been ? So use plastic
 tubecaps for this. And a German in the other forum explained that the real pyramid
 doesn't use any metal sides since this dampens all oscillations. Why does it always
 have to be Germans who do the technical developments ? And don't loose yourself in
 understanding of swr. This takes years of learning. Just look at the basics without
 the will to understand it all. Yes you can lightup gastubes with this like the egyptians did
 This tech only needs free high voltage. Just copy this unit in your garden:

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMT-9rW5Lk#t=6.229047  Look at from the 4,5 minute.

 Be responsable. if you make this too big it will be dangerous.


 
Title: Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid
Post by: rensseak on August 01, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5026556 (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5026556)
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: vern on January 24, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
Hi all,
   I started building  TT's pyramid two years ago but was interrupted by life. I had everything ready, I just needed to figure out the process of hi voltage and high frequency when adding the quartz sand as I did not have a CB or any other way to induce it.

I have not read all the posts in this thread and was curious if anyone had actually built a scaled down version of the pyramid for measuring possible energy production using what recently new evidence suggests as agglomerated limestone. As far as I know everyone has used other materials for the frame including myself (copper). Just a thought...
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output. Some hope ?
Post by: Melody on April 05, 2021, 01:21:01 PM
Hi Peoplez,
I have been following this treath. Also the video's of Trawoger. In the beginning it looks promising.
But I find it hard to believe Trawoger is a lyer.

So I found out that you all made a different pyramid than Thomas did.
Someone mentioned before:

Thomas says the coils have to be winded the same direction.
But I see in his video's that the inner coil is winded in another direction than the outer coil. Just see it in the video's!!!
So he made his coil different.

IS THIS THE FAULT / MISTAKE EVERYONE MAKES ?

Is there anyone who still has the pyramid ?

I am very curious about this.
Please let me know if it helps!!!

Yours Sincere,

Urias Nooteboom
Holland




Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bmind23 on February 13, 2022, 08:08:23 AM
Do any of you have a video where Thomas' pyramid is lying outside on the grass? This is the only video of Thomas that I cannot find on the internet. If anyone has it please contact me or provide a link to the video.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on February 13, 2022, 03:09:55 PM
Do any of you have a video where Thomas' pyramid is lying outside on the grass? This is the only video of Thomas that I cannot find on the internet. If anyone has it please contact me or provide a link to the video.

I have lots of videos about TPP in my archive, including the outdoor video.
If you are interested i can put them into a zip file and upload them to wetransfer.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: Schauberger Viktor on July 04, 2022, 10:52:35 PM
https://t.me/gravitationisparticles
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bmind23 on July 06, 2022, 05:38:08 PM
I have lots of videos about TPP in my archive, including the outdoor video.
If you are interested i can put them into a zip file and upload them to wetransfer.

Yes please, but only outdoor video. Thanks.
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on July 08, 2022, 10:49:22 PM
Yes please, but only outdoor video. Thanks.
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/e8d71fa89747bd4ddadec0e16dccb94920220708204639/4a1946c68961602acf9110cde486267c20220708204703/7078c9
It's online for 7 days from now on.  :)
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: bmind23 on July 09, 2022, 09:02:38 AM
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/e8d71fa89747bd4ddadec0e16dccb94920220708204639/4a1946c68961602acf9110cde486267c20220708204703/7078c9
It's online for 7 days from now on.  :)

Thank you for videos, but you upload two videos "outdoor part 2" .
Title: Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on July 10, 2022, 03:48:37 PM
Thank you for videos, but you upload two videos "outdoor part 2" .
I checked it, but everything is ok. 2 different videos:
Edit:  Ok, the videos are the same, only the names are different. I did not check the content before uploading them. But that's all i have.