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Author Topic: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid  (Read 542015 times)

Ruud

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Hallo ik ben Ruud uit nederland.
Ik wil graag melden dat ook ik een werkende piramide heb.
Zie foto.
Wel is mijn DC voltage nog wat laag.
ik kom van 3,6 volt tot 5.1 net genoeg om de fan te laten draaien.

prato_braun

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Hallo ik ben Ruud uit nederland.
Ik wil graag melden dat ook ik een werkende piramide heb.
Zie foto.
Wel is mijn DC voltage nog wat laag.
ik kom van 3,6 volt tot 5.1 net genoeg om de fan te laten draaien.


Hi Ruud,


that's awesome to hear!! And your built looks very nice and professional. I asked you some questions in a PM but I'll just repeat them here as it will probably be  interesting for a lot of people.


How did you electrify the core? What sand did you use? Could you take a video how you set it up and how it is running? How did you find a good spot for it? Are there any updates?

Cheers and thanks a lot for your post,


Prato
 

prato_braun

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Hi Ruud,


unfortunately I don't speak Dutch but German and I just realized, that you wrote that your fan isn't turning as the voltage doesn't suffice. Did you run any other loads from the pyramid? Did you try to charge batteries or capacitors?  Did you try to step it up?
Sorry that I'm asking so much things but I'm getting really excited as this is the first positive result that is published.
Cheers,


Prato

fritz

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Hi Ruud,

Did you try different fans ?
There are fans which start up at almost 3V - even if they are rated for 12 Volts.
These fans are of the brushless motor type.
If you look at TTs videos, it takes a bit until the reactor starts up, TTs kicking the fan
and fiddling with the output cap. rgds.





RedBaron

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Hi Ruud
Wat als je de piramide van de grond te tillen? zet deze op een tafel of ondersteuning zoals TT. Ik geloof dat het kan niet plat op de grond als de grond is dicht zoals beton.


RedBaron

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For everyone else; try your pyramids off the ground. Put it on a table or a frame of some sort like TT has it sitting on.

Has anyone considered "The Great Pyramid is the only pyramid to have chambers above ground level." His initial project was to replicate the Great Pyramid if I remember correctly. Did he or anyone else considered that the other 100s of pyramids on earth have no chambers above ground level. Maybe TT's pyramid is producing power below the pyramid but producing enough that he is getting lucky and picking up a small ratio of it in the middle of the pyramid? Possibly if the electronics were below the pyramid, it may work better?

We also need to consider environment in the big picture. What is the relationship to sea level, IE is your pyramid below sea level or above and how far above? what is relationship to major water sources, what is your physical locations relationship to the equator? I believe these will all have an effect on the output. It may not stop the show but it may decrease by a percentage or increase by a percentage... or they may not.




Void

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Lets go back to a little bit of basic theory.  Simple ohms law.  The series DC resistance of the double coils, internal and external that connect to the Capacitor are approximately 1 ohm.  I'm rounding off here to make calculations easy.  Now in the outdoor video part 2 @ 5:51 the Model power meter shows  approximately 7.80 VDC @ .35 amps into a load @ 2.7 watts.  As this is a series circuit, the coils/power source and the motor load, we know that across the RESISTANCE of the coils X the series DC current,  we would only show .35 VDC across that portion of the circuit but the nice little voltmeter in the unit is showing 7.8 VCE!!!!!.  Something is rotten here.  We have a circuit that simply can not work as shown.  I highly suspect that there are rechargeable batteries in the "Reactor" for many reasons.

A few comments on the circuit. The equivalent electric circuit of the TTP v12 circuit is
not a series circuit, it is a parallel LC tank  circuit, and the electric fan motor (load) is
connected in parallel to the parallel LC tank circuit. Someone already posted an
equivalent circuit drawing previously, but I have attached the relevant part of that drawing again,
slightly modified, showing that this is a parallel LC tank circuit (with possibly some unknown
energy/signal input or interaction from the charged/aligned quartz sand and copper tube
components located at the focal point of the pyramid).

If you supply a DC pulse to a parallel tank circuit, it will not give you a clean DC pulse out,
but will actually give you a damped ringing waveform. Such a repeating damped ringing
waveform can be seen in TT's oscilloscope video, with some other signals showing in there
to a lesser extent as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2HZSNitxVk

[Note added later:] From the looks of the oscilloscope waveform, it looks like the
LC tank circuit is being excited somehow with repetitive pulses with associated damped ringing oscillations
from the LC tank circuit following each pulse, and from time to time you can see what appears to
possibly be a brief larger pulse with oscillations on the scope as well. There also appear to be much smaller
and shorter duration pulses occuring at a higher frequency superimposed on the damped ringing oscillations.
I can't tell what the scope time base setting is from looking at the video, so I don't know what the frequency of the
pulses might be, and the frequency of the assiciated damped ringing oscillations, etc.,  might be.
Also, because the scope can be set various ways, it is hard to know if there is a DC component to
to this signal or not (I can't tell where the scope 0 volts level line is set to, or whether DC blocking
in enabled on the scope or not).

If this is a hoax, then it is possible that TT could be secretly feeding this circuit with a continuous pulse train
or other signal; but, if not a hoax, then this is very interesting to be sure. Would be interested to know what
frequency those pulses are occurring at for starters. This could be determined from the scope
if the time base setting on the scope was known.

If a given circuit is not generating pure DC or a pure 50 or 60 Hz sinewave AC signal, then a typical
multimeter will not give very meaningful readings other than to possibly indicate that there is
some sort of voltage and current waveform present. Actual voltage and current reading numbers would
not be meaningful in such a case however. Based on the waveforms shown in TT's oscilloscope
video, a person would definitely want to be using an oscilloscope to make any meaningful
voltage measurements of the TTP v12 circuit.

As to whether this is just a hoax or not, anything is possible.
I don't know TT and have never communicated with him, and I don't know
what communications may have gone on between TT and others in private,
but there could be many reasons why he stopped publicly communicating with people
about his TTP v12 project. He may have got fed up with many people emailing and
phoning him and asking so many questions, etc., even though he made it clear he
didn't want people to contact him directly unless invited, or he may have had personal
problems or other demands arise,  or he could have been made a financial offer that he just couldn't
refuse  :), etc., etc. Unless someone has some real evidence that this is just a hoax,
then I personally wouldn't be too quick to jump to any conclusions anyway. TT certainly
seemed sincere enough in his videos.

I would be willing to give this a go if I can get my hands on the exact 'reactor' components
so as to be able to duplicate the 'reactor' exactly as shown in the step by step video. I searched
for those exact reducer brass end caps on the web and couldn't find anything even close however.
That would appear to be a show stopper as this circuit appears to be very finicky at best and
a replication attempt would likely need to follow the original design shown in the video very exactly.

Happy experimenting everyone....  :)

« Last Edit: October 03, 2012, 10:06:40 PM by Void »

Void

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By the way, if anyone out there in Europe knows where to get those exact brass
fittings that TT is using in his TTP v12 tutorial videos, if you can let me know I would
appreciate it.  The brass fitting appears to have a hex nut on the outside of the wide
end with threads on the inside of the wide end, and which goes down to a much
smaller diameter brass tube fitting on the other end. The wide end inner diameter
would likely be in the 28mm to 30mm diameter range, and the narrow end inner
diameter would have to be around 10mm or so, since the wide and narrow copper
pipes can fit into these holes. TT indicated that these brass fittings should be readily available
in plumbing stores (at least in Austria), but I would guess that this should also be so for
other European countries as well. If anyone knows where these brass fittings can be obtained from,
I would appreciate hearing from you. :) I am interested in building this to experiement with,
but it seems TT indicated that he tried it and couldn't get it working without those brass
end caps.







Dom Tesla

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Where the f*** is mr trawöger?!? How can somebody make a project open source and not respond to anything regarding his project.... What is wrong with you Thomas.... If it was fraud, just admit.... at least people will stop wasting their time... If it is not... and you got those good intentions, Tommy, why dont you help? ha? Its just like the first pyramid.... ?  So far you s*** , man - Probably just made this whole thing up too feed your deteriorating ego....

This threat should be closed, to save all you inspired souls from the penalty of failing, trying to reproduce something wich never worked in the beginning....

You are fake T.T. as fake as one could be.... your even worse than those goverment agents....

I got to admit.... this post is really rude, but just think about all those wasted hours all you guys spent...

Free-Dom

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Re: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid
« Reply #489 on: September 28, 2013, 06:57:32 PM »
Indeed that's a very interesting device.
And it doesn't seem to me like a fake - too bad that Mr. Trawöger isn't available.
So nobody except him has ever managed to build this one?
I would be very interested, in building such a device too, but unforutnately I've absolute no knowledge in electrical engineering...

protonmom

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Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

Paul-R

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Ebay user vila_restor is selling them for about £7. I would get another one. If this one goes rubbery, then you may be on the edge of a major discovery.

Cherryman

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Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.


Just to make it clear.


You had a ferrite rod, wich you bought a few years back.
All those years it stayed hard, but after a few hours in your pyramid it turnt into a rubber like substance?


Thats intrestring.


Try some other material in its place and see if you notice physical changes!


Good luck.   




protonmom

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I just found this information on the net.  It is probably close to the answer, although I was not using the rod as an antenna.  However, my pyramid is not exactly typical, so perhaps there is something in it's construction that caused the transformation.  Who knows?  Maybe I will try to use a rod wound as an antenna and put that in the pyramid and see what happens.  Here is the article I just found:
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  https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part7/page5.html

 
Losses in the ferrite mean that, if we try using the ferrite in a TX antenna the power dissipated may heat up the material until it decomposes or melts. Since the ferrite behaviour tends to ‘vanish’ ( (https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/%7Ewww_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part7/Images/page5/Exp23.gif) falls to unity) when try to apply a large field we also find that it simply refuses to work as expected when we try to transmit significant power levels. For these reasons the Ferrite Rod makes an excellent RX antenna, but is not used for signal transmission except where the power level to be transmitted is quite low (typically less than a Watt or so).  

 
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pomodoro

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Ferrite is a ceramic made in a furnace. Its brittle and cracks under pressure. No chemicals or radiation or overloading will ever turn it rubbery and change  its shape .Most likely some enamel coating or some other Chinese junk on top  is softening.
Hi all.  I have been experimenting with a 9inch base homemade pyramid today and I came across a small problem of which I am hoping you can help me.  I had placed a 7 1/2 by 3/8 inch ferrite rod inside the pyramid and after a while I noticed the ferrite rod had become misshapen.  It actually turned like rubber.  Now, how can ferrite turn to rubber?  I have had it out of the pyramid now for about 3 hours and it is still rubbery.  Did I get ripped off by the ebay seller who sold it to me?  I tried to find the name of the seller, but apparently ebay does not keep records back that far anymore....I guess it must have been 2013 or before because I checked the 2014-2016 records which they offer and nothing was there. I had hoped to show you the ebay ad of the ferrite rods which I bought.
 I am going to be checking the rod again in the morning to see if it has re-hardened but I am doubting it will.  I am a little ticked off because I think the seller must have lied to me, saying it was ferrite.  I have a few other rods around, so I am going to try the same experiment with one of them tomorrow to see if it happens again.  I am not really sure where I am going with this experiment so please be patient with me if you want more information on it.  I don't get online as much as I used to.  If anyone has any idea of why this so-called ferrite rod turned to a rubber rod please let me know.  I would appreciate it.  Thanks.