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Author Topic: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid  (Read 542012 times)

neptune

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@Pascuser .Here is another way to do it if you do not have an impedance adapter .
 First measure the length of wire wound [winded] on your inner coil . Now join a piece of wire to the top end of the coil to make the total length three quarters of a wave length .
Place this wire in a vertical position , or as close as possible . Connect the inner wire of the coaxial cable to the bottom of your coil . Now take a piece of wire one quarter of a wavelength long and connect it to the braid [outer shield ] of the coaxial cable and have it hanging vertically down . . Test for SWR without using the amplifier . Using the rules I gave you in the last message , trim the upper wire for best SWR .You should be able to get an SWR of 1.5 or less . Note that if you get the "antenna" to the correct length , then the length of the coaxial cable is not important .When I was into CB radio years ago we used to make vertical dipoles . We found that at 27 Mhz a quarter wavelength was Eight and a half feet . That is 2.59 metres .This will vary a bit with the thickness of the wire ..
  EDIT. The length of the upper wire may need to be different from the calculated figure because of the inductance of the coil . You will need to experiment .
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 02:29:29 PM by neptune »

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hi all,
a remark about SWR question:

if the SWR has the value 2 this means the PSWR is 4, then for a 27MHZ 30W amplifier the power sent to the reactor (and perhaps emitted as an antenna) is only 8W.
If the impedance of the reactor is ca 100ohms, then the RMS voltage is sqrt(8x100)= 28Volts.
We are far from the voltage ( > 100V) shown by TT around the reactor before filling it.

Where is the trick ?

It could be interesting to determine the resonance frequency of the reactor (during filling): a resistor in serie with a low level HF generator and a scope is enough to do that.
Measuring the inductance and capacitance with an adequate multimeter is also good.

My HV generator: i progress
- i will use a sinus oscillator with a variable frequency from 100KHz to 1MHz: i feel some resonance searching with quartz sand could be useful.
- with an audio power amplifier (some TDAxxx with enough bandwith and variable gain) used in push-pull, powered by a 12V accu, i will feed the +5V secondary of an old ferrite flyback transformer
- then i expect some 1KV AC peak at the original 400V primary of the transformer.

i will experiment that next WE.
Another way is to use a brute force switcher using Mosfets to drive the transformer.

Regards.

Pascuser

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@Croco31
The voltage between antenna is at max 38,7V rms since P=30W and R=50 ohms for an ideal antenna (max power dissipated). So you can't expect to have hundreds volts there.

The voltage you have on the multimeter with TT nearby the antenna is something else. It is the electric potential radiated and has a link with the emissivity of the antenna. It shows that some electromagnetic field is radiating but doesn't measure the voltage between the poles of the wire that feeds the antenna.

k4zep

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Hi all,

Below is a Email from Peter Eichelkraut (eichekraut) to Neptune. Peter gave Ken permission to publish on the list.  Ken didn't know how to do that so asked me to do it for him so here it is. 

After reading the email, it seems we all are running into a wall at a certain point and we simply
are missing basic construction practices or do not have the correct information or materials to make the Reactor/Pyramid work.


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Peter Eichelkraut <p.eichelkraut@web.de>
Date: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM
Subject: Reactor
To: neptune8@sky.com


Hello Neptune,

i´m sorry for answering so late, but you know, sometimes work don´t goes so easy as you think it have to be.


Now i have to talk about the reactor:

I spent really many, many, many, many time (more than 300 hours till now) to build and activate reactors. And i proof them with the measurement as following: the first electrode from the multimeter at the inner coil of the reactor and the second electrode from the multimeter at the copper tube from the reactor. The multimeter shows me, when the reactor works, a voltage between 8mV up to 180mV (each reactor was different).
When i put my body between the copper tube and the second electrode of the multimeter, the multimeter shows me 100 to 400mV more than without my body between copper tube and electrode. So me and also Thomas think, that the reactors are working.
Now i have 2 good places for paramides in my garden, so i build 2 paramides and put them at these places. Hopefully i took the reactors and completed all two paramides to get this voltage for cut the wires at the capacitor. But there was no voltage, like you can see in the video of Thomas.
O. K. ...no voltage, even if i put all the other reactors inside (i have 7 working reactors).
So i looked the Video from Thomas again and again for see where i have to place the two electrodes from the multimeter. Always the same result: the elektrodes from the multimeter have to be at the minus and the plus at the paramide. Fine...but i diddn´t get any mvolt when i make measurement there.
Now i analize the Video of madsatbg and saw that he put one elektode from his multimeter at the plus or minus (it really doesn´t matter which one you take) from the paramide and the other one he put at the ground from the paramide (the ground from the metal frame, which has no connection with any coil at the inner of the paramide at this time)
And: than you will get the effect like you can see in the video of Thomas. But in my opinion: it could not be the right way, because it´s not like descriped in the video.
Anyway i tried to get sucess with this method, but of course the fan didn´t work.


Now i start to begin thinking about the reactors...better i would say: from where comes the small voltage, and why rise this voltage up when i put my body between.
And after really,really long search i found this two answers:
Its really rediculous, but when you inform (i know that you don´t like this word for this process) the sand very often, the isolation from the inner coil of the reactor begin to go in bad condition. This is because the sand jumps very often between the coil and the copper tube. Small space between the windings begin to let in some sand between the coil and the   INNER  copper tube.
This sand now jumps between this inner tube and the coil and also damages the isolatin of the wire, but you cannot see. Some information processes later, small pieces of the sand are getting into the isolation and makes bridges between the inner copper tube of the reactor and the COPPER of the coil. At these really really small points the isolation (PVC) of the wire and the sand are getting hot and start to burn the isolation. But you can only see it with a mikroscope. Now we have a small bridge between the reactor coil and the inner tube of the reactor, made of sand and charred (burned) PVC. These components with humidity are an alcalic cell. This is the reason why there´s a small voltage. You can make this voltage higher, if you inform more and more.

And the higher voltage with the body between???
Really easy: Put one electrode from your multimeter at a copper tube, the second electrode from your multimeter in the right hand and now with the left hand you touch the copper tube.
Your multimeter will show you something betwenn 50mV up to 300mV. These mv are only the reaction between the skin and the copper.


So what will i say with this:
First: i think all reactors i build till now are wrong
Second: we must find a really good way to inform the reactors and find out how to get good sand and so on and on...



Finally (this is really important for me): at this time it is the time for me to make some days holiday from this paramide-project, because i spent so much time at this project, that i lost really many nights to sleep, but i won´t give up this project. In my opinion there are only some small pieces of the puzzle we need to get. I hope Thomas will give them to us in the next days.



I hope this helps a little bit. I´m sorry that i didn´t sent any pictures with, but i´m really tired so i cannot take pictures now.


with all the best wishes

           Stefan 

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Hi all,
I am working my way through a book i read a few years ago called " The Secret Power of Pyramids" by Bill Schul & Ed Pettit" published in 1975.

I`m not too far into it yet, tho in the book they look at growing plants within the pyramid, and they carry out a number of experiments to suggest the best position is at the apex of the pyramid and not the kings chamber.
They tried different positions the ground level base produced poor results, higher at the kings chamber location, the plants grew steadily and healthily, but at the top of the pyramid resulted in more activity, and rapid growth.

From another source i remember an observation by another pro pyramid scientist that observed the kings chamber had residue on the walls as tho it was flooded with somekind of battery type liquid.

On another note whilst it maybe not practical for building a home made pyramid from the material i am about to suggest, it would be intresting if someone could use granite for the sides as apparently the Egyptians used granite because it has electrical properties

Pilots are advised to not fly directly over pyramids as it been reported to be a disruptive energy shooting upwards from the pyramids that makes the electrical instruments go haywire.

zhak

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hi all
Ben K4ZEP
Read the copy of the letter you published.
1.Avtor letter describes a pyramid as a kind of a galvanic cell fueled by moisture passing rivers under the ground?
2.Eli still be able to someone to run the fan as he can to work as a member?
3.Togda pyramid does not fit the status of free energy?
4.What do other inventors?
« Last Edit: August 30, 2011, 07:40:39 PM by zhak »

k4zep

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HI all,

Just messing around here.  A FLUKE 77 IV, on DC mV range setting, hi and low (Peak settings) enabled,  with the negative of the meter connected to the bottom inner coil of the reactor and the positive connected to the upper copper inner tube, I find that with mild vibration on the outer coil, I get as much as 150mv peak DC out in this configuration.  Next want to see if there is a differential voltage between the inner and outer tube with the brass between.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

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where is Thomas?

neptune

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The last news we had was that Thomas was on holiday in Egypt . I do not know when he is due to return .

Pascuser

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I saw that there are many problems with reactors. I would want to make the notice that everybody used high voltage to charge the sand in the reactor; but Thomas used 27MHz low voltage high frequency to do it.

Yes, he said that we could use too high voltage; but maybe what he thought is not totally right. He thought he had a way to calculate the scaling of the reactor for the pyramid and it wasn't. Once again I don't say this to be negative at all or criticizing; we all experiment and he succeded in something wonderfull and shares it with patience and sometimes things aren't what we thought it would be, that's normal.

What I want to underline is that what Thomas really did in the video that we try to replicate is 27MHz transceiver as a sand charging power circuit and that worked to have a working pyramid and everybody tries something else and nothing works... maybe there is a relationship? I don't say it is the case, only I ask the question because it has a meaning.

I continue to set up my system to load my sand with CB output. I worked on it this afternoon and after long hours of work I could have a set up that would not destroy the devices to allow a work.

Here is a video of what I did; sorry again for my bad English:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lweVCNSAMrE

I don't have more time to try it today, so I will do it tomorrow evening or this weekend. As I have a new pyramid 1 meter scale finished, I will be able to try all the system within the end of the weekend I think (if weather is good).

I have some problem with the wire lengths of Thomas for his capacitor: I watched the video many times and counted the number of turns of wire for inner coil and outer coil to have a consistency with the length of wire. I computed, using the wire outer diameter (standard for 1.5mm² wire in Europe) and I did the work with a plastic rod for true: my calculations gave the same I had with my real work and this is different from what we see in Thomas windings... and there is a problem of coherence.

See my paper here:
http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/531412pyra42.jpg

Maybe I mistaked in counting but I counted the number of his previous capacitor, and I could count the number of turn of the outside coil for its last capacitor (remember...he changed because of an error in the cutting angle) and the number of turn between the end of the outer coil and the end of the plastic rod; so I could calculate the number of turn of the inner coil and this time too it was the same number than for the first capacitor.

If his wire is not the same diameter of mine (that shouldn't, but let's say it) then I understand that we don't have the same number of turn, but I don't understand why the inner coil has less number of turns for him than mine and outer coil has more number of turns for him than mine. That could not happen, unless there is a difference of many decades of centimeters between each wire (I have less than 2 mm of difference between my wires because I first did a special work to assure that).

PS: I could buy a plastic rod 20mm in diameter made of PVC (you can't find this in a DIY store in France) in a company specialized in plastic boiling:
http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/768716pyra27.jpg

Interesting.... 11 meters (the length TT gave for the capacitor's wires) is approximately the wavelength of a 27MHz wave... maybe this length of capacitor work because the sand has been loaded with 27MHz signal and this resonant frequency is still present in the sand at a quantum level and can amplify itself in standing waves in the capacitor when excited.

It is another important reason to load the sand with the CB and not with high voltage according to me...

neptune

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@Pascuser . A very interesting video . I am pleased that you were able to use my idea of extending the inner coil wire to get a better SWR . The SWR would have probably less variable if , as I suggested , you used a quarter wavelength wire extending downwards from the braid of the coaxial cable . The main thing is that you now have your SWR at a safe level , and can continue with filling the sand . Good luck with your results , and I do hope that you will keep us informed .

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@Neptune: thank you. I I used your idea. And I used too a wire connected to the copper tube and connected to the multimeter (its impedance was useful and I could achieve a SWR=1.1 at minimum).

I filled in the sand. I started with SWR=1.1 and while filling SWR was slowly growing up to 1.9 when finished, because the reactor capacitance was changing because of the sand.

I tried to measure the E-field radiated before filling, but the high frequency too high power currents were blocking my multimeters, there is a lot of power (50Watts measured on the Power meter when SWR=1.1 so power measurement is good).

Here videos (with comments in english):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSWXoyzoN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El1t5qqkWPw

Voltage AC and DC after filling with "charged" sand (comments in french but measurements are easily understandable on the video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFvp7Tk1ox0

I can read AC  and DC voltages between copper tube and coil wire but it has no special meaning since it varies not much and when I let the wires go down on the ground I can have more voltage.

Depending where my multimeter is on my desk I can have 1.8volts or 0.5volts or 200mV. It depends, according to me, on the electromagnetic E-field radiating from devices in my room (50Hz current). I can't read something interesting with this measurement.

Pascuser

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I realised this morning that I did not paid attention to the way I plugged the output of my signal on the reactor. I checked what I did and I did plug the mass output on the coil wire and the signal on the copper tube. So it has been charged the wrong way.

Before sanding again in the good way, I made a voltage measurement in the garden, far away from electromagnetic radiating devices. Here is what I had:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jp3mCJ9rd4

Then I plugged my output correctly, I emptied the reactor from its sand, made it cook 10 minutes again in the oven and used it again to fill in.

Here I could not use wire on the copper tube, if so the SWR was 3 with 1 meter wire and 5 with 2 meters wire; with the multimeter plugged on these wires it was more than 10. Without any connection I could achieve a SWR=1.5 or 1.6 approximately.

I filmed the filling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ1HdL9M-1I

Then I measured again in my garden the voltages, so we can have a comparison between reactors with a good way of charging and a bad way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cRXXnBukjU

But nothing changes!

I can't have voltages values interesting to notice.

zhak

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Very interesting experiments.
But the reactor may be because moisture it stand above the underground river.
What then?
And if I can run the fan how long it will last?

Pascuser

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I finished the assembly of the pyramid, replication scale 1 of Thomas Trawoeger's one.

I detected again the node to use (Hartmann walls crossing above a water line). I feeled the node with my hand, eyes closed, as a small warm. I detected this warm in the hand just 2 centimeters besides the center of what should be the node, so it works!.

here picture attachments with the pyramid set-up.

Then videos to explain my tests:

Presentation of the pyramid and its set-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPfp_PhEcCY

Cutting the wires of the capacitor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8XJkXLrOU

Fan test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J157Xxvp_fU

For the moment nothing works.
As I never had millivolts, the sand charging should be the main cause. But why? I charged with 50 watts and a better adjustment of SWR than Thomas did (not to burn my amplifier) so with more power than him, and approximately the same frequency (channel 40 used and not channel 1 in 27MHz band).

I need Thomas's help to go further.

My node could be not so powerfull, but I had no millivolts, and this should occur, followinf Thomas' videos, although you are not on the correct point and not well oriented. So again, my sand charging is the black point that is in question.