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Author Topic: Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid  (Read 528266 times)

Offline k4zep

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Hi All,

Well received my 3/4" rods for the capacitor but no wire.  It is somewhere out there between upstate FL and here.  Probably tomorrow.
Slow day even for me, lots of reading, taking it easy...

Ben K4ZEP

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@K4ZEP: Hello Ben
I want to thank you to thrust me and I want to thank you for your willing to make the V12 for all the other Guys.
It would be a pleasure for me to send you all necessary things (proven Items) to built our nice Playtoy.
(There is not much to send, because there are only a few things really necessary...)

Well, on the other side, I think it would be better to live with my bad english. First my reading experinece is better than my writing.
(The google Translation is that funny, but believe, you cannot understand anything after this funny translation :-))

So I am shure, we will communicate in english, and if anything is not clear, i will explain it twice (with other words)

This weekend I will make a complete list of all the Items, i can send you. Then i will check the weight and i will make all the customs-works (documents)
I am in hope to send it via FedEx or UPS  (I am waiting for the abilitys and conditions)

The only problem would be to find a proper way of communication. ( so i will think about this too)
Nice greetings, Tom

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@K4ZEP:
I forgot to say: " And of course, all costs will stay on my side!"
73 de OE5TRP / LZ1TRT
(I am double HAM with a special "Honor Callsign" in Bulgaria, but that´s another Story :-)

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@K4ZEP: Hello Ben
I want to thank you to thrust me and I want to thank you for your willing to make the V12 for all the other Guys.
It would be a pleasure for me to send you all necessary things (proven Items) to built our nice Playtoy.
(There is not much to send, because there are only a few things really necessary...)

Well, on the other side, I think it would be better to live with my bad english. First my reading experinece is better than my writing.
(The google Translation is that funny, but believe, you cannot understand anything after this funny translation :-))

So I am shure, we will communicate in english, and if anything is not clear, i will explain it twice (with other words)

This weekend I will make a complete list of all the Items, i can send you. Then i will check the weight and i will make all the customs-works (documents)
I am in hope to send it via FedEx or UPS  (I am waiting for the abilitys and conditions)

The only problem would be to find a proper way of communication. ( so i will think about this too)
Nice greetings, Tom

Good Morning Thomas,

I figured you would get a kick out of the "google" mess up of the good German language, but had to try it one time.
FedX and UPS both come to my Condo on a regular basis so either one is excellent and they know me here.
By the time your unit gets here, I will probably have my reactor done and we can do a pictorial and electrical
comparison between the two.

I will be building the Pyramid this weekend using 3/8" or 1/2" copper tubing and silver solder on the fittings and pins to hold it together.
I will be using 1/4" Gypsum board trimmed with tape to cover the ruff edges.  Painted to make the 3 sides presentable.  Will show basic
hand drawings of the unit before I start for you approval.

I would like to be able to converse with you via email and/or SKYPE if that is agreeable to you if/when I have any questions in particular or I have a mis-understand on any part of the design.  Again when everything is clear, would post it here with your approval.  As a ship can only have one captain, I wish to only be the second in command here.  You are the master, I am just a builder.  I will  not bother you with
un-necessary questions as your video was very clear.  I have watched the whole series 3 times already making copious notes and only have 3-4 questions for clarification and probably can carry on anyway.  I hope my build here will give encouragement to other builders.  As my knowledge increases in the "HOW" to do it, perhaps others that are very good at the theoretical level can add to our knowledge as to "WHY" it works as they build also.  Some things you have to do with a giant leap of faith as logic simply doesn't work here with our limited knowledge to the "theory" of operation.  But Dowsing works for me, so lets get on with it!  I enjoy a building adventure and this certainly is one!.

Will put up a video on YouTube in the next several days on my "dowsing" for spots here.  I am rather curious as to what I will find here in
the State of Florida, USA as I live right on the water of the ICW and Gulf of Mexico.  There is water everywhere down only 4-8 feet!  So this will be a first for me.  I will use two copper rods because a green fruit tree "Y" is just not available.  Copper has worked in the past for me but I prefer the other.....but.......anyway.  Will have my wife carry the camera and we will see what happens. 

Google maps "7400 Sun Island Dr S, St Petersburg, FL 33707" and you will see where I live and the "water" problem.  There is a nice area in front of where I live with a big tree in it and a small park across the street.  If none of these work out, there is a nice area about 2 miles from me where I fly R/C model Gliders that should work well.

Thats all for now.  Thomas, let me know when you have your parts together and need a complete address.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP




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@K4ZEP:
I forgot to say: " And of course, all costs will stay on my side!"
73 de OE5TRP / LZ1TRT
(I am double HAM with a special "Honor Callsign" in Bulgaria, but that´s another Story :-)

I forgot to say that in a future time, I want to hear the story behind your double call sign!  Most EXCELLENT!
We will discuss the cost and reciprocity at a later date too.  I like to keep the books balanced!  But for now, it is good.

Most Respectfully,

Ben K4ZEP

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Will put up a video on YouTube in the next several days on my "dowsing" for spots here.  I am rather curious as to what I will find here in
the State of Florida, USA as I live right on the water of the ICW and Gulf of Mexico.  There is water everywhere down only 4-8 feet!  So this will be a first for me.  I will use two copper rods because a green fruit tree "Y" is just not available.  Copper has worked in the past for me but I prefer the other.....but.......anyway.  Will have my wife carry the camera and we will see what happens. 

I first tried to use Y tree wood to find water underground some months ago. I never tried before and did not know wether I could find something or not.

I went in the countryside and tried, and after about 30 minutes it suddenly worked: my Y wood rotated down. Then I tried several times and put woods on the ground, a line was beginning to appear. I tried besides and again and again, and there was a line.

This was not the proof that I found water since I did not dig. I bought L rods (brass rods) to find the same thing. It works much better and I suggest you to use it instead of Y wood, the "signal" is more clear with it. Many people can use it to find water and can't with Y tree wood. L rods rotate horizontally. I tried and found the same line. In truth I found three parallel lines, too were borders and another one in the middle. I tried in my garden and found three lines again. Finding lines is interesting but proves nothing.

I then used my rods on bridges and found that my rods were pivotating above the bridge: one time for each border of the river and one time approximately in the center. The points where the rod rotates on the border of the river sometimes I could find them, sometimes I couldn't. I went dozens of times on the same way to compare: the points weren't at the same place for borders, but were in the same place for the center and I found the center line each time: in one way in the reversal way I could find the center line each time.

Now I have made many experiments to understand what happens. I used a metal wire on the ground connected to my hand when having my hand on the rods. I walk... and the rods rotate at the exact position where the wire goes out of the river. It could be many feet after the right place because the wire could be long. I then understood that the energy coming from the river and going up was conducted in the metal wire and went to my hand and acted in the rods with the energy of my body to create the force that rotate the rod.

So the fact that the pyramid is metal made is consistent: the metal drives the energy coming from the ground and it goes in the metal structure. This is the waveform: energy is flowing trough the material structure and creates interferences, patterns, because I think that this energy vibrates and so there is interference patterns.

But this is only presumptions; let's come back to what i want to tell. You will be able to find a water line; and some energy emerges from the water. What kind of energy? I linked this to Wilhelm Reich's work. He worked about orgone. Orgone is attracted by metal and by water. Water keeps it, stores it and metal attracts it and repels it when in contact, creating a circulating flow. Water is used to store orgone that is attracted by metal in the cloudbuster for instance. When you shake water, orgone emanates from it with strength. The orgone charge from water radiates when not moving but radiates more when moving. So you have underground water and it moves and orgone goes away.

Orgone moves from earth to atmosphere or from atmosphere to earth. There is a potential difference between both and this is the global move of orgone. So when orgone is liberated from underground water is goes moves following potentials, and potentiels are vertical; so energys goes up; and you can detect this energy.

How this energy interferes with the body to make the rods rotating? I don't know exactly. But our body is constituted with about 70% water and we contain orgone, we live in the atmosphere and water inside our cells attract orgone, our body use it. So when we take a rod in hand, orgone that radiates from us (our "aura") goes in it; and orgone coming from the ground go in our body and the too orgone flows create a force. The orgone within my body is attracted by my body (water is a strong absorber of orgone charge) and altough the rod is in metal and drives orgone away, the attraction of orgone by my body is stronger! (if not you die when you put your hand on a metal piece because you loose you orgone energy).

The force doesn't exist without the human body; I tried with wood pole in the ground with rods attached to.

The fact that the wire on the ground acts to make my rods rotating only when out of the water river shows that it is not a direct force from orgone coming from the ground on the rods. It is an action through my body. My presumption about it: the orgone coming from the ground flows to my body and when I get out of this flow, there is some kind of "induction" of this energy: a sudden flow of orgone goes out of my body (that doesn't occur in a static way when I don't move through the river bed), moves to the rods because it is metal and attracts it (this radiating orgone is free to move a little away of my body), and the orgone in my mody has a polarity that attracts this orgone.

We can try another explanation. We don't know. What I want to show is that it is not magic; it is physic but using an energy kind that we did not understand well and that science doesn't know at all.

But Thomas Trawoeger said that you must use a node. A node is not only a water line. A node is a node in the energy coming from the ground. It exists where energy is colliding. When using another tool: Hartmann lobe antenna; you can find what is called the Hartmann grid. I used it too, since I could use the L rods; and it worked too!

The Hartmann grid is energy coming from the ground that is everywhere on the earth, creating a grid pattern. I creates a rectangle pattern on the ground; with Hartmann "walls", because this energy is like a wall of 21cm (interesting when you know that it is the wavelength of hydrogen) thickness vertically. You can notice that wall is vertically extended, and this is a consistency with a vertical orgone potential.


It has an unknown origin, but the fact that it is a regular size (2 meters North to South and 2,50 meters from Est to West) suggests that the origin is located nearby the center of the earth. The fact that the directions depends on the magnetic orientation suggests that it is linked to the origin of magnetism. A central source within earth radiates in all directions and this creates a grid on the earth surface.

This grid is not frozen (because the path of this energy can be deviated, but the source radiates it homogeneously I think): the grid spacing can be greater in countryside and smaller in towns. Other energies circulating on the ground can deviate the energy of this grid. Ancient druids were using minerals (dolmens and menhirs) to deviate the energy from the grid: it attracts and drives this energy. This energy is orgone too for me; radiated from another source.

Reich found that orgone attracts orgone; so when I was talking of polarity of my body previously, it was wrong, only to help seeing what happens: orgone flowing from my body because of an induction is attracted to my body and curves its paths; but the metal rods have a "permeability" for orgone that is high, so orgone wants to stay in the rods and wants to go to my body: rods rotate.

The fact that mineral is attracting orgone is something know to ancients and Thomas Trawoeger uses it too: the gypsum sheets he used are attracting orgone. Minerals absorb orgone, like water. In fact, what happens is that metal frame is attracting very strongly orgone coming from the ground (from the node), and drives it; but metal repels it when orgone is joining metal and this makes orgone flowing and following the potentials when flowing (vertically) and attractors (orgone absorbers); but mineral attracts orgone and orgone radiates from the metal pyramid frame to mineral sheets. The whole surface of the pyramid is full of orgone, with a primer mover: metal frames and accumulating material: mineral sheets. The gravity center of the pyramid is exactly where Thomas trawoeger puts its reactor; it is too the gravity center of the orgone charge accumulated in the mineral (because orgone spreads within the sheets and the frame; but one sheet is missing, so the gravity center is shifted at the opposite of the misssing sheet; the coil capacitor position of Thomas Trawoeger that lays on the frame in front of us in the video, the one with 45° angle must compensate this shifting of orgone charge to balance it and make it be at the center; this helps energy being right in the center of the reactor and increases the output he has).

These sheets are not reflector of the energy; there are like orgone capacitors and frame structure is mover of orgone. Reich made experiments where he used metal pipes to attract orgone from a room and then the end of the pipe was in water that stored this orgone; so he could "suck" orgone from a room.

Now what is important: a water line crosses Hartmann walls. And when is crosses, you can detect that the Hartmann walls deviates, they are curved, there is attraction from orgone energy of the water line and of the Hartmann walls. A node is created. This is a small node. You can have a stronger node with two Hartmann walls crossing at right angle on the river path. This is not a fortuity process that you could find rarely; because orgone attracts orgone and water line deviates Hartmann walls if not too far. So when finding the walls you will see that a node that should be not too far from the river line is ON the water line. This is a major node.

In conclusion, finding a water line is not enough; you must find Hartmann walls and then you will find a node.

I have made many researches and experiments about detecting water lines, Hartmann walls, orgone, and all what I spoke about. This is not word in an empty space but the result of my work and research and I tell it so you can use it.

All what I spoke about I explained it with pictures and videos during the lasts months of my researches; in the forum of my website. So if you want to see what I did, how I found river lines, Hartmann walls, experiments with wire on the ground and experiments I made with orgone etc you can find it and read it on my forums; so you can use it to find out a node that could be used for the pyramid.

I found a major node in my garden and I just finished my 50cm pyramid. I thought that I could use a 1/2 scale of the reactor but unfortunately Thomas Trawoeger told that scaling was not so easy and I must do another pyramid 1 meter. As I won't have time to do it because I leave on holidays in 10 days for several weeks; I just have time to do the reactor for my 50cm pyramid and I will make my 1 meter pyramid when back from holidays.

So I will read your work here to know if you have success. I want to help with my knewledge of energy from the ground; so your pyramid could work!

I am french, and very sorry for my many grammar and syntax english mistakes.

My forums are, unfortunately for you, in french; but with google translator you can have a small idea. But if you have questions about how you can do to find a node, I can answer here in english. I asked to Thomas Trawoeger what kind of node he used: a node with one wall crossing the water line or two walls (North-South and Est-West) crossing the water line in the "community" part of his website. He answered that both are good.


How I found nodes in my garden:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=512&view=findpost&p=19143

All the subject about experiments with energy from the ground:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=512

My pyramid 50cm structure finished:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=734&view=findpost&p=19222

My work about orgone:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=711

I am a scientist, mathematician teacher and physicist (equivalent master in US) and I try to make sense about what we don't know, exploring it. The fact that I search in other ways than classic science ways is not a kind of magic foolish: there is explanations, but we just don't know them. We all are ignorants and only have to admit it to find more...
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 07:13:45 PM by Pascuser »

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I have already stated that I am not a believer in water defining , and to go on about it again would only serve a negative purpose which is not my intention . Like my hero , James Randi , I say "show me" . Back to practical matters . If you look at the above post by Passers , look at the link about his 50cm pyramid . The photographs show that pyramid construction can not be as easy as you might think . I built a 1 metre pyramid about 5 years ago . I found it much easier to use angle iron [ L section ] than box section . Mine was welded , but I think it is better if you can take it to pieces to store . One thing you will find , as you see in the photos , is that the plaster board triangle only touch the corner members at the extreme edges , rather than laying flat against the whole surface of the member . So at best , the construction will be a compromise . All you can do is make it as neat and accurate as possible . One thing that is vital is that the base is square and stays square . So even in a foldable version , make the base square frame as a fixed part , welded if possible , or bolted with corner gusset plates . My old V6 went for scrap . If someone replicates I will build another . In fact if I win the lottery , I will have a square house with a pyramid roof .

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Like my hero , James Randi , I say "show me"

All has been show. I don't only speak of my experiments, all is show on pictures and video (you can also try youtube); but you have professional water finders that you can hire. They not only find the water line but they find the depth. In France, they tell you depth within a 2 meters accuracy; for a water river underground at a depth 60 meters or 80 meters sometimes.

Then a digger digs and for each meter too long to dig the water finder gives money to the one who hired (for 50€) him to pay the digger and it is expansive: 100€ / meter (an error tax) : the water finder not only earn nothing but he pays from his pocket the digger for his client. They have 99% success and that is why they are not bankrupted in paying diggers.

You can see it on many movie reports on TV and you can hire one to test. All has been shown, it is something very common. It is like if you said "waves that cross the air and carry sound, I can't believe. Show me". You just have to buy a radio set...

If you did not show it, then it is because you never tried to, because it is very very common. Once I saw a TV report about it and I said: I will try! Then I tried and my experiments began. Professional can be found in every dowser association. It's easy to find nearby your home; in France you can; in USA I believe too! But if you only say "It can't be so it doesn't exist" and never try to see it, then you will always say "show me" and close your eyes when somebody shows it; so you will never have to admit that it works.

One day, one of my friends said "alien don't exist; and so if someday a UFO lands nearby me, it is an optical illusion; if the alien goes out the UFO and talks to me, it is an optical and accoustic illusion and if he comes to me and shakes my hand, it is an optical, accoustic and feeling illusion". I have nothing to answer to this. If you want not to see, you will never see. He believes something and all what is not in accordance to what he believes he will refute.

I do believe in all possibilities and try to see myself if it is real or not; that is why I build the pyramid and why I made all other researches.

I don't understand why you try to build a pyramid if you don't believe in energy coming from the ground water lines... how do you think the pyramid creates energy miraculously? For me, miracle of electric energy creating itself is foolish; but energy circulation from ground is something acceptable: there is a source. If you just build your pyramid and wait it to work, it never will; TT said to place it over a node. It is the same thing if you build a radio set and never plug it to power source ... you can wait a long time to hear something.

So here when you, creative and technical builders, will have completed the pyramid and the reactor, if you don't mind in finding a node on the ground to place the pyramid over; then it will be the same as the radio set not plugged that could not work. Finding the node should be the first preoccupation, before building the pyramid and reactor.

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All has been show. I don't only speak of my experiments, all is show on pictures and video (you can also try youtube); but you have professional water finders that you can hire. They not only find the water line but they find the depth. In France, they tell you depth within a 2 meters accuracy; for a water river underground at a depth 60 meters or 80 meters sometimes.

Then a digger digs and for each meter too long to dig the water finder gives money to the one who hired (for 50€) him to pay the digger and it is expansive: 100€ / meter (an error tax) : the water finder not only earn nothing but he pays from his pocket the digger for his client. They have 99% success and that is why they are not bankrupted in paying diggers.

You can see it on many movie reports on TV and you can hire one to test. All has been shown, it is something very common. It is like if you said "waves that cross the air and carry sound, I can't believe. Show me". You just have to buy a radio set...

If you did not show it, then it is because you never tried to, because it is very very common. Once I saw a TV report about it and I said: I will try! Then I tried and my experiments began. Professional can be found in every dowser association. It's easy to find nearby your home; in France you can; in USA I believe too! But if you only say "It can't be so it doesn't exist" and never try to see it, then you will always say "show me" and close your eyes when somebody shows it; so you will never have to admit that it works.

One day, one of my friends said "alien don't exist; and so if someday a UFO lands nearby me, it is an optical illusion; if the alien goes out the UFO and talks to me, it is an optical and accoustic illusion and if he comes to me and shakes my hand, it is an optical, accoustic and feeling illusion". I have nothing to answer to this. If you want not to see, you will never see. He believes something and all what is not in accordance to what he believes he will refute.

I do believe in all possibilities and try to see myself if it is real or not; that is why I build the pyramid and why I made all other researches.

I don't understand why you try to build a pyramid if you don't believe in energy coming from the ground water lines... how do you think the pyramid creates energy miraculously? For me, miracle of electric energy creating itself is foolish; but energy circulation from ground is something acceptable: there is a source. If you just build your pyramid and wait it to work, it never will; TT said to place it over a node. It is the same thing if you build a radio set and never plug it to power source ... you can wait a long time to hear something.

So here when you, creative and technical builders, will have completed the pyramid and the reactor, if you don't mind in finding a node on the ground to place the pyramid over; then it will be the same as the radio set not plugged that could not work. Finding the node should be the first preoccupation, before building the pyramid and reactor.

Good evening Pascuser, Neptune all,

First Pascuser, thank you for your insightful and thoughtful post.  A lot to digest there and think about.

Neptune, you don't have to believe, just observe and do!  I have a hunch you are going to do just fine!

All:   

I had a very good conversation today with Thomas on many aspects of the Pyramid.  We all have a long way to go.  Building the device is part art, part science, and I must say an absolute non-deviation from his video instructions in the minutest details in the construction of the REACTOR, there appears to be more leeway in construction of the capacitor but the reactor is an absolute at least for the start.  There are a lot of big things to do right and there are a lot of very little things that must be done to make it work also!  All these will come out as we continue our build.  My goal is to build a working 1 meter pyramid and that I will do. 

One question answered in using High Voltage for the electrification or orientation energy for the sand particles.  USE AC not more than 5KV.
Do not use DC at least not now.  I do not know the absolute variables as to minimum voltage as of now but the maximum is stated,  that is a start.

A lot more to follow as I learn more myself and test it in a real world application!

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Ben K4ZEP




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@Pascuser . Thanks for your long reply .However , I think you misunderstand me . When I say "show me " , that is exactly what I mean . I AM WILLING TO BE SHOWN . In we life we have to base our beliefs on experience . If we just accept and believe everything we are told , our lives would soon become impossible . We would spend all day stepping over fairies and reading horoscopes . I still find it incredible that no diviner has taken Randi`s $1000, 000 prize .When i built a pyramid , 5 years ago , TT made no mention of divining .
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ? Diviners claim to be able to do many things beside find water . Some claim to be able to find the bodies of missing persons , but I have yet to read about a case where it happened .OK I have already said too much . No one could be happier than me to see a working replica , so please respect that I will wait to be shown .
@K4ZEP .That info about the high voltage is much appreciated .Good luck with your work , and I look forward to your results .

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@Pascuser . Thanks for your long reply .However , I think you misunderstand me . When I say "show me " , that is exactly what I mean . I AM WILLING TO BE SHOWN . In we life we have to base our beliefs on experience . If we just accept and believe everything we are told , our lives would soon become impossible . We would spend all day stepping over fairies and reading horoscopes . I still find it incredible that no diviner has taken Randi`s $1000, 000 prize .When i built a pyramid , 5 years ago , TT made no mention of divining .
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ? Diviners claim to be able to do many things beside find water . Some claim to be able to find the bodies of missing persons , but I have yet to read about a case where it happened .OK I have already said too much . No one could be happier than me to see a working replica , so please respect that I will wait to be shown .
@K4ZEP .That info about the high voltage is much appreciated .Good luck with your work , and I look forward to your results .

Good morning Neptune. 

I'm a show me type of person too.  OF course, a good stage magician can show me anything he wants to and it is believable.  A bit of healthy skepticism is good and keeps us on a level keel. 

Thomas has been absolutely open with me, answers any of my questions in a straightforward manner and I feel wants verification by others to validate his work.  I am retired, not rich but unless the politicians totally screw up our country (USA) and or my wife and I have a catastrophic illness will be OK till we give it all to the kids when we kick the bucket.  The free energy quest is an outlet for my creative inner self, keeps me alert and alive.  The money I spend on "stuff" makes my wife huff and puff but then I remind her of her "little" expenditures and we laugh and realize how good life is!

My wire arrived yesterday but I have a road trip to IKEA with wife and sister-in-law today so not much will get done as those women and their shopping wear me out as I'm the official driver and donkey to move stuff back to the car!  Tomorrow is another day.  As Thomas is going to send me the copper/brass parts for the reactor along with wire to expedite getting a pyramid up and running, the reactor I am working on will be a secondary effort in "inch" material in my quest.  As I said before, it is the LITTLE things that are important, I'll try to discuss this more as time goes by and have hands on experience to verify everything.

To add further confusion to the process.  My #14 THHN wire is only 2.58 mm in diameter and my "new" #16 TF is 2.84 mm in diameter, as it is 600V wire, it's insulation is thicker!  So I'm going backwards.

Just for reference,   My small 3/8"  tube is 12.65 mm in diameter outside and 10.53 mm diameter on the inside.
                             My large  1 1/4" tube is 34.92 mm in diameter outside and 32.84 mm diameter on the inside.

That's all for today.

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It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ?

No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000€ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000€. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.

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No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000€ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000€. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.

Hi All

All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.  So just hang loose, my world is not made in a day or a 30 min TV show.  It takes time to do this right.  I will also say that I will clear all of the above processes with Thomas before I make them public.  I don't want to waste my and others time beating a horse to make it run faster till it can!

Respectfully
Ben  K4ZEP

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The purpose of this thread is the TT pyramid replication . I feel a bit guilty about taking up space with my non technical stuff . I hope that the moderator will delete my non technical posts if he thinks best . I have to admit that I have not read all of James Randi`s conditions . One problem I have with water divining is that it is not an easy thing to test . It is all very well for some guy to say "There is an underground river 80 metres below this point ." No one is going to dig 80 metres just to prove him right or wrong . If I am told that there are professional diviners making a good living , I have to believe you unless I can prove otherwise . You have never lied to me before . To me there is an important distinction to be made between the subjective and the objective . It is one thing to say "My pyramid produces 20 watts ." It is a different thing to say " if I sit inside my pyramid , I get a feeling of euphoria and spiritual enlightenment ."
      Too many of the worlds problems come from people believing what they are told without question . For example there are 2,557 religions practised on this planet . Every one of them claims to be the one true religion . 2,556 of them have to be wrong , and I have serious doubts about the other one . I am always willing to suspend my disbelief until a case has been proven to my satisfaction . It is my nature to show respect for people who do not share my beliefs . I am also an optimist , as any Free energy seeker must be . So let us all work together towards our common goal , and continue to treat each other with respect.When I see a working replica , I am quite willing to wander the local fields with a forked stick .But I want to see Watts , not whimsical notions .Again I say that I really am willing to be shown .Yours in Hope Respect and Optimism , neptune .

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All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.

Patience is the main word in this kind of work.

I went all the afternoon in 7 different shops: 4 do-it-yourself shops and 3 specialized shop for plumbing and I couldn't find the adapter for the inner copper tube 10mm external diameter and the other assuming it is 20mm internal diameter and 22mm external (there is a problem about this specification where information is contradictory, see later).

I could do the same adapter than Thomas with 3 different adapters assembled together; but this modifies the length of the adapter. So, as the distance between the two drills on the 10mm copper tube is what is important (and this distance depends on adapters length), I can't replicate this distance with 10mm spacing one side and 25mm spacing on the other side of the 29cm long tube; because my adapters have not the same length.

So it could be important to know this distance. And to avoid all these kind of troubles to be able to think ourselves how to dispose things it would be important to know the exact size of all pieces and placements (some are lacking).

The contradictory information is the following:
Concerning the outer copper tube of the reactor:

Video part 2 on 13 (youtube channel) ; time 01:13 TT says:
"the diameter is 29 - 30 mm"

Video part 6 on 13 (youtube channel); time 10:58 TT says:
"we have the 20mm you know and we have the double dimensions on the plastic tube"
the 20mm you point with your finger is the same outer copper tube that is said to be 29-30mm. The plastic tube TT measured is 40mm according his measurement; so 40mm is the double of 20mm but is the copper tube 20mm or 30mm?

So what's the correct size?

So we see that, as dimensions are critical (Thomas said that he couldn't replicate his effect with differrent measurements) we have to know all the dimensions. Inner and outer size of each cylinders, copper or plastic, position of drills, length of adapters pieces, etc.

As he did not do it and we can't replicate without knowing it, could you k4zep, when you will have received his reactor, measure it and tell us the dimensions so we can do it too? It would help. It should be better to have a ruler in centimeter to compare to what Thomas announced for some measurements he gave us and because pieces are accurate in exact measures in centimeters norm.