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Author Topic: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo  (Read 45885 times)

Offline poynt99

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Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« on: June 26, 2011, 02:59:55 AM »
Here is my attempt at simulating Romero's output wave form.

Currently using simple linear coupling, so the "Bias" magnets are not useable. The output across both generator coils connected as shown (series-canceling) is zero volts, i.e. perfect cancellation.

I've also tried a basic test with the core marked in the top left; with similar results so far.

The simulation is based on a motor (VROTOR) driving the rotor in a sine wave mode. L1 and L4 are the top and bottom poles respectively of the rotor magnet, and the top and bottom generator coils are self-evident. The output is +/-5Vp if either L2 or L5 connection is inverted, i.e. in series-adding.

L3 and L6 may be used later (with a magnetic core) to emulate the bias magnets placed on the generator cores.

This is a starting point only. Any suggestions how this circuit may be modified to achieve that output wave form?

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 05:58:25 AM »
Here is my attempt at simulating Romero's output wave form.

Currently using simple linear coupling, so the "Bias" magnets are not useable. The output across both generator coils connected as shown (series-canceling) is zero volts, i.e. perfect cancellation.

I've also tried a basic test with the core marked in the top left; with similar results so far.

The simulation is based on a motor (VROTOR) driving the rotor in a sine wave mode. L1 and L4 are the top and bottom poles respectively of the rotor magnet, and the top and bottom generator coils are self-evident. The output is +/-5Vp if either L2 or L5 connection is inverted, i.e. in series-adding.

L3 and L6 may be used later (with a magnetic core) to emulate the bias magnets placed on the generator cores.

This is a starting point only. Any suggestions how this circuit may be modified to achieve that output wave form?

Regards,
.99

i tell you it is not worth the effort to try and get this to work and give anything that resembles a muller  o/p. I only did it because i totally frigged the setup just to produce a similar looking wave and not because it resembles anything in real life. ALL these SIMS are MATH programs and they assume everything is > 0 is a loss as far as the source supply is concerned So the losses stack up and it tells you where the losses are as pure linear regression. Now what happens is if you try and force loss <0 you get a divide by 0 error and the program crashes or it just says you cannot have that loop. Usually capacitor loops with no resistance are illegal.

So for the Muller the inductance has all been cancelled out and the phase is shifted 90 degrees into VARS to give a tensor pressure vector on the ambient. Well the SIM knows NOTHING about this stuff so it assumes there is nothing to be gained or give a 0 o/p as everything is null on the conventional current flows.

So SIMS are out you cannot model something it knows nothing about unless you teach it everything about Zero Point Energy and how electron static field tensor allow energy to be pumped from the thermal region and aether density transform. The response under transform is magnetic flux derived from electron space dimension array back into the coils and the polarity is complimentary to EMF. So when you figured out how a SIM is supposed to achieve this then yes you can model it but as far as i know no one has come up with an accurate formulae yet to "plug in" . Perhaps in 2015 we might have ZPE SIMS:)

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 09:21:39 AM »
@Poyt,

You'll find that skepticism about sims here everywhere.
I can tell you it's worth doing these sims, but don't expect a reward from most members here.
I stopped posting due to lack of interest, but I have a huge amount of insights gained from the Ansys sims I performed.

Once you have a bit of confidence in you model, try those serial capacitors with the coils and compare the results with those without capacitors.
You'll find some interesting conclusions.

Members here should ask themselves why do (big) companies and universities invest in big simulation efforts en costly programs.
Best example is the car industry. They mainly design by simulations these days.

Please continue, while you enjoy it!
« Last Edit: June 26, 2011, 09:47:43 AM by teslaalset »

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 03:06:10 PM »
@Poyt,

You'll find that skepticism about sims here everywhere.
I can tell you it's worth doing these sims, but don't expect a reward from most members here.
I stopped posting due to lack of interest, but I have a huge amount of insights gained from the Ansys sims I performed.

Once you have a bit of confidence in you model, try those serial capacitors with the coils and compare the results with those without capacitors.
You'll find some interesting conclusions.

Members here should ask themselves why do (big) companies and universities invest in big simulation efforts en costly programs.
Best example is the car industry. They mainly design by simulations these days.

Please continue, while you enjoy it!

Thanks teslaalset.

Actually, I'm well aware of the sim aversion prominent in these forums, I've been receiving criticism for using them for years. I know their usefulness however, glad you do as well. ;)

Regards,
.99

@bolt, seems to me you're making an awful lot of assumptions. I was rather hoping you'd have some constructive input on the sim now that I have the basic layout.

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 07:14:33 PM »
Thanks teslaalset.

Actually, I'm well aware of the sim aversion prominent in these forums, I've been receiving criticism for using them for years. I know their usefulness however, glad you do as well. ;)

Regards,
.99

@bolt, seems to me you're making an awful lot of assumptions. I was rather hoping you'd have some constructive input on the sim now that I have the basic layout.

Poynt,

I think your model looks very usable.
It has some nice similarities with the magnetic amplifier techniques.
What kind of PSpice cores are you using?
I guess you're using non-liniar ones, otherwise the bias wouldn't make sence.

I use 3C90 Ferrite ones.

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 07:56:58 PM »
teslaalset,

Up in the top left corner of the diagram is the core part number I tried so far, but am NOT using at the moment (note the K-Linear);

3C85 material.

cheers,
.99

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 11:34:58 PM »
Lets be very clear i use SIMs a lot! They are extremely useful to model conventional parts of the circuit where you believe conventional tuning applies for example they will help you find the value of tuning caps and inductors for filtering networks AFTER the capture of ZPE. But they have limitations to which you must understand a conventional approach to electronics doesn't know anything about ZPE so how could it possibly know how to provide an accurate schematic model?

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 12:44:25 AM »


Hi .99

I wonder if you had considered the similarity of penno's drawing to this patent?  I think this has more potential (no pun intended) than coils in anti phase.

Does this sim?

Ron

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 02:29:25 AM »

Hi .99

I wonder if you had considered the similarity of penno's drawing to this patent?  I think this has more potential (no pun intended) than coils in anti phase.

Does this sim?

Ron

Ron,

This should sim ok. What type of core is used?

Also, where would we be looking for some kind of output?

.99

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 02:53:38 AM »
Ron,

This should sim ok. What type of core is used?

Also, where would we be looking for some kind of output?

.99

Well the patent is in German so the core is a good guess.

This is drawn from the patent, where it is sourced from the ~ symbol... but as a generator that symbol would be the load, right?

Ron

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 03:27:40 AM »
Well the patent is in German so the core is a good guess.

This is drawn from the patent, where it is sourced from the ~ symbol... but as a generator that symbol would be the load, right?

Ron

Of course, right you are.

Any idea what the purpose of that configuration is in the patent?

.99

EDIT: It's OK, I found an abstract.
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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 03:32:56 AM »
WO 2010003394  (A2)
CAPACITIVE WINDING FOR ELECTRIC MOTORS, TRANSFORMERS, AND SOLENOIDS

The invention relates to a capacitive winding which is made of copper wire, has an inductive reactance of zero, is composed of two parallel conductors (1, 2), and is wound like a coil on the soft magnetic core [8]. Both conductors (1, 2) are electrically connected at the beginning of the coil by means of a capacitor (3) and are also electrically connected to a capacitor (4) at the end of the coil. The first conductor (1) is connected to a pole of an oscillating power generator (5) at the beginning of the coil, while the second conductor (2) is connected to the second pole of the oscillating power generator at the end of the coil. The capacitive winding is arranged in the stator and rotor grooves of an electric motor, and the capacitors (3, 4) are mounted outside the motor structure.; Capacitive current that flows through the windings of an electric motor generates a magnetic field in the gap between the stator and the rotor such that the apparent electric power is converted into effective mechanical power.

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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 05:30:11 AM »
WO 2010003394  (A2)
CAPACITIVE WINDING FOR ELECTRIC MOTORS, TRANSFORMERS, AND SOLENOIDS

The invention relates to a capacitive winding which is made of copper wire, has an inductive reactance of zero, is composed of two parallel conductors (1, 2), and is wound like a coil on the soft magnetic core [8]. Both conductors (1, 2) are electrically connected at the beginning of the coil by means of a capacitor (3) and are also electrically connected to a capacitor (4) at the end of the coil. The first conductor (1) is connected to a pole of an oscillating power generator (5) at the beginning of the coil, while the second conductor (2) is connected to the second pole of the oscillating power generator at the end of the coil. The capacitive winding is arranged in the stator and rotor grooves of an electric motor, and the capacitors (3, 4) are mounted outside the motor structure.; Capacitive current that flows through the windings of an electric motor generates a magnetic field in the gap between the stator and the rotor such that the apparent electric power is converted into effective mechanical power.

 :o

Good find!  So the question is does it work as a generator?

This was sent to me by a friend but I couldn't help noticing the similarity with penno's wiring connections...

This was around just last year... but it fits the pattern of the patent owners not wanting R to publicize it.  lol, one doesn't have to be paranoid...

Ron




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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 06:10:27 AM »
Good find!  So the question is does it work as a generator?

This was sent to me by a friend but I couldn't help noticing the similarity with penno's wiring connections...

This was around just last year... but it fits the pattern of the patent owners not wanting R to publicize it.  lol, one doesn't have to be paranoid...

Ron
Interesting Indeed
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Re: Simulation of the Muller Dynamo
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 09:31:35 AM »
WO 2010003394  (A2)
CAPACITIVE WINDING FOR ELECTRIC MOTORS, TRANSFORMERS, AND SOLENOIDS

The invention relates to a capacitive winding which is made of copper wire, has an inductive reactance of zero, is composed of two parallel conductors (1, 2), and is wound like a coil on the soft magnetic core [8]. Both conductors (1, 2) are electrically connected at the beginning of the coil by means of a capacitor (3) and are also electrically connected to a capacitor (4) at the end of the coil. The first conductor (1) is connected to a pole of an oscillating power generator (5) at the beginning of the coil, while the second conductor (2) is connected to the second pole of the oscillating power generator at the end of the coil. The capacitive winding is arranged in the stator and rotor grooves of an electric motor, and the capacitors (3, 4) are mounted outside the motor structure.; Capacitive current that flows through the windings of an electric motor generates a magnetic field in the gap between the stator and the rotor such that the apparent electric power is converted into effective mechanical power.

 :o

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