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Author Topic: My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)  (Read 13585 times)

Offline Dondeal

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My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)
« on: June 22, 2011, 11:38:28 PM »
This is my first post. I hope it is a valuable one. I'm not an expert in physics, science, hydropower, fine woodworking, or electronics.

I'm going to release my latest garage project. It is officially OPEN-SOURCE and in the PUBLIC-DOMAIN. I've also posted in other places. I'm hoping the OU community can get together and expand on it if it has potential.

FIRST: Go and watch videos about ferrofluid (ferromagnetic fluid) and pulse motors if you have no clue what they are. Ferrofluid - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ferrofluid&aq=f . Pulse Motor - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pulse+motor&aq=f

Please understand that some people tend to think that they can add an endless amount of coils around a spinning pulse motor to generate additional power, and feed it back into the pulse motor. Well, these people don't respect Lenz's Law. Then, there's the group of people that believe they can make the pulse motor do work by attaching something directly to it. Well, this causes the motor to work harder, too. So I've been wondering how do you make a pulse motor do work by not attaching something directly to it or getting Lenz's Law involved, which makes my pulse motor work harder? Then, I became fascinated with ferrofluid and, naturally, I tried to add this into a pulse motor setup.

GOAL: To move ferrofluid in a closed-loop using a pulse motor, and turn the kinetic energy of the ferrofluid that re-enters the reservoir into electricity(think hydropower). A pelton turbine, connected to a generator, will be placed inside the reservoir and generate power. This generated power will be fed back into the motor that turns the shaft that spins the ferrofluid.

MORE DETAILS:
We're going to get a shaft to efficiently spin via a pulse motor and dedicate one rotor to spinning the shaft. I've opted to use a basic reed switch and an electromagnet for now. However, hall effect switches with transistors, bedini, and other forms of pulse motors can be used to spin the shaft the most efficient way possible, as well.

INITIAL TEST:
I wanted to verify if a rotor with embedded N52 magnets, with the help of capillary action, was capable of bringing the ferrofluid over the loop and back into the reservoir. This was successful and opens the door to increasing the reservoir size and adding the pelton turbine.

Inside The Box: Is the main 5" rotor that turns the shaft. The rotor has 4 embedded N35 1/2" dia. x 1/2" len. magnets. Above it is a heavy duty reed switch. Below it is  6" x 1/2" dia. ferrite rod wrapped in 950 turns of 26 guage magnet wire. All connected to a rechargeable 12v battery, that only acts as a starter for now. At least, until the pelton turbine is putting out power.

Outside The Box: Is the second 5" rotor. The rotor has 8 embedded 1/2" dia. x 1" len. N52 magnets. The PVC tubing is wrapped around the rotor and is separated with aluminum rods.The white reservoir is a DIY PVC reservoir (obviously, filled with ferrofluid) that I made only to test the ability of the ferrofluid to go around the loop and re-enter the reservoir.

Possible Improvements:
1. Instead of 8 N52 magnets in the rotor, magnetizing the entire outer trim of the rotor to grab the maximum amount of ferrofluid.
2. And/Or a better designed rotor that not only grabs the ferrofluid from the bottom of the pvc tubing, but from the sides as well. The aluminum rods will have to be removed, and a better design to keep the tubing from touching the spinning rotor.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 01:44:32 AM by Dondeal »

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 01:32:02 AM »
Mr. Don Deal
What happened?
I was looking forward to reading more of your posts on this?
A very cool concept ,and perhaps a link to an alternate "harvesting" method?

Chet

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 01:42:36 AM »
Mr. Don Deal
What happened?
I was looking forward to reading more of your posts on this?
A very cool concept ,and perhaps a link to an alternate "harvesting" method?

Chet

I put it back up. Feedback is great.

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Re: My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 01:55:01 AM »
Thank You Don
There is just too much about this that has to be looked at!
And you have obviously put much thought and valuable research into this,
as well as a really cool build /Testbed!

Wellcome to the forum ,men that build and share for the benefit of all will be the ones that change this world!

Chet

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Re: My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 07:32:51 PM »
More than 200 views and no one has posted anything positive or negative? Kind of rare for an overunity forum. I take it no one can find any immediate faults with the "idea" and it's probably something they have to test themselves.

Anyhow, I'm seeking feedback before I dump anymore money into the idea. The cost of quality ferrofluid by ferrotec is through the roof.

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Re: My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 07:59:34 PM »
More than 200 views and no one has posted anything positive or negative? Kind of rare for an overunity forum. I take it no one can find any immediate faults with the "idea" and it's probably something they have to test themselves.

Anyhow, I'm seeking feedback before I dump anymore money into the idea. The cost of quality ferrofluid by ferrotec is through the roof.

Hi Dondeal,

I think the reason you have had so little interest, so far, is because it's a totally new idea.

Some people here are quick to criticise because they already have an opinion about how, say, a pulse motor should work or a gravity wheel should operate. Take it as a green light to continue.

You have presented something totally new and I guess everyone, myself included, are waiting with baited breath to see it in action.

One piece of advice, all be it second hand from others experience of reed switches, is loose the reed switch. Hall effect or opto sensors will do the job far better for only double digit milliamps.
 
I now need to find out what a "pelton turbine" is !

All the best

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Re: My Open-Sourced OU Project Using Ferrofluid (PICS)
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 08:35:03 PM »
Pelton Turbine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDVQaul_w7Q&feature=related

The pelton turbine youtube video is exactly what I envision to replace my temporary PVC Reservoir. However, his design has holes to release the water. Our design will need to have no holes to retain the fluid to re-use.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 09:05:08 PM by Dondeal »

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 12:10:24 PM »
Hi Dondeal! Welcome to the forum :)

I have a thought about your design:
The ferrofluid inside the hose will be transported in a loop. The magnets on the wheel will move the ferrofluid. If the magnets can move the ferrofluid, there is obviously a magnetic coupling between the ferrofluid and the magnets.

However, even that eddy currents will not occour here, you have a mechanical drag that will prevent the magnets from moving the ferrofluid if the ferrofluid is loaded by a turbine, or a pump of some kind, which is connected to a generator. (I would tried skip the generator just to increase efficiency, and use a direct mechanical coupling instead).

So I cannot see any reason why this should even be an efficient design - or maybe I have misunderstood the whole concept...

Good luck anyways.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2011, 05:49:05 PM »
Hi Dondeal! Welcome to the forum :)

I have a thought about your design:
The ferrofluid inside the hose will be transported in a loop. The magnets on the wheel will move the ferrofluid. If the magnets can move the ferrofluid, there is obviously a magnetic coupling between the ferrofluid and the magnets.

However, even that eddy currents will not occour here, you have a mechanical drag that will prevent the magnets from moving the ferrofluid if the ferrofluid is loaded by a turbine, or a pump of some kind, which is connected to a generator. (I would tried skip the generator just to increase efficiency, and use a direct mechanical coupling instead).

So I cannot see any reason why this should even be an efficient design - or maybe I have misunderstood the whole concept...

Good luck anyways.

Vidar

Hi, thanks for the welcome.

This is definitely the area that needs testing by others because it is the most important.

Once the ferrofluid is pulled around the loop, it releases very easily. Remember, that capillary action forces the fluid a good length up the loop, by itself, so the rotor doesn't have much work to do. Also, the loop of the tubing contours to the shape of the rotor and that helps.

The pelton turbine will capture the energy of the ferrofluid after it re-enters the reservoir. It will not create a drag. I know Lenz's Law will act upon the turbine as it creates electricity, but it should have no effect on the moving fluid. It's an independent system that shouldn't slow the fluid at all.

In my design, the pelton turbine would harvest the energy of the fast moving fluid that the shaft expensed for only mere milliamps. That's the beauty of the whole concept, were getting fluid to move at extremely fast speeds for only milliamps. People have said that pulse motors have no torque and can do no work, but my ferrofluid idea could change that.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2011, 06:12:41 PM by Dondeal »

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 01:03:26 PM »
You cannot choose in what direction the capilary effect will work. This effect will also prevent the fluid to exit the hose. No free lunch in this effect.

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2011, 02:21:33 PM »
You cannot choose in what direction the capilary effect will work. This effect will also prevent the fluid to exit the hose. No free lunch in this effect.

The fluid automatically flows through the lower tubing and sits there half-way through the loop (that is capillary action). The rotor brings the fluid over the loop and back into the reservoir through the top tubing, completing the process.

The fluid level inside of the reservoir is never higher than the upper opening so the fluid can never come back into the upper tubing.

The fluid does exit the upper hose. Remember, I built it and I'm doing that part right now.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2011, 02:52:49 PM by Dondeal »

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 07:20:27 AM »
Anyways, capillary effect is not energy and cannot provide energy into a system. In one way or another, the capillary effect will take back what it appearantly gives.

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 08:19:18 AM »
Anyways, capillary effect is not energy and cannot provide energy into a system. In one way or another, the capillary effect will take back what it appearantly gives.


I will post again when I finish the build and can show a video.


« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 08:50:21 AM by Dondeal »

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 11:06:44 AM »
Reminds me of the magnetic gears concepts:

http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/

You might be on to something. But you'll require an efficient turbine to get out as much power as possible.

http://www.gyroscope.com/d.asp?product=TESLATURBINE3

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 09:23:10 PM »
Howdy Dondeal,

Can't say that I have ever seen anything like what you are doing related to electrical energy production.  But I have seen it, well read about it, used in an artificial gravity system, like UFO propulsion.  By spinning a large, balanced mass you can produce a artificial gravity field.  Crude systems used large iron rings mounted on shafts and propelled by a diesel motor.  As the craft evolved they realized they only needed to move the mass and didn't need the large spinning apparatus.  The mass, in this case mercury, was pumped through pipes in large concentric rings.  When they turn the pumps on the mercury would flow through the pipes and generate a artificial gravitational field...

If you want to study this more look for information about The Raman Empire (ancient India), The Vedas, Vimanas (Raman UFOs), and any of the Nazi UFO information.  The Vimanika Shastra is here.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=124

Hydraulics, and Pneumatics are very useful, and if we can find a way to pump fluids with magnetism then you can pump fluid in a hermetically sealed environment.  That may be very beneficial.  Then that whole artificial gravity field thing would be a whole lot more beneficial.  I have a plethora of information available in the downloads section here on overunity.com if you want to give it a look-see...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads

Your fabrication skills look pretty good as well...

Good luck with your endeavor...

 

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