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Title: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 16, 2011, 05:51:28 PM
New Serbian TESLA !
Milutin Miletic is a retired technology engineer (not electrical),
he has invented something extraordinary.

Alternating current is filtered and flows through ONE wire only and powers a classical light bulb.

His words are that he was able to join positive, negative and the ground into one electrical flow,
and that is not all - human can hold the pure unisolated wire without any problems!
No electrical Shocking !

The power is 220V in Serbia (you can see in the video that he is using the regular power supply),
and 220V powers the light bulb, so voltage stays the same.

There are no sparks, the power is totally safe, even you cut the wire, the flow will stop but without any sparks.

So safety is one of the greatest benefits.

He says that he was able to make sure that no electrons would escape the wire.

His claim is also that there are significant (drastic) savings in power consumptions
(he is using it for his water heater and thermal blanket).

He also says that this type of current can heat the wire up to 1000C and be used as a heater,
and that all high voltage cables could be replaced with a much smaller profile wire.

He also claims that this setup can be adjusted so that 5Kw flows through 1mm wire.

With slightly bigger profiles, much more power could be used.

He says he had worked on this patent for 20 years, and it is now being evaluated by the patent office.

Here are 3 videos about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwMAxxYcvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEK_nBMddJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_fgmu4wsSI


This is pretty revolutionary !

I hope it is not getting bought out by the current companies and put in a safe.

Maybe it is simular to the Avramenko plug one wire system ?

But Milutin seems not to alter the frequency ?

Does he need a special wire to do it ?
Maybe he is just using the longitudinal waves inside the wire and
totally filters out the transversal waves, that just travel on the surface of the wire ?

So if it works by just pure electron current INSIDE the wire, so just pure dielectric current
the electrons can not flow to ground via your body ?

Hmm, anyway, it is pretty amazing.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 16, 2011, 06:01:17 PM
Maybe someone, that speaks Serbian language can post a video transcription of the 3 videos ?

Many thanks in advance.

P.S: Can the inventor be contacted and invited over here or maybe someone
can visit him and interview him ?

It would be too bad, if this invention would be lost or bought off and put in a safe.

If he really still uses the normal 230 Volts / 50 Hz AC and does not convert it to high frequency
like in an Avramenko plug,
then it is really a revolutionary invention.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on June 16, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8348-invention-retired-serbian-engeneer.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/719/190/Tesla_One-Wire_Transmission_by_Bill_Williams.html

http://kiwi.kz/watch/q5c041d6660e

http://www.depositfiles.com/ru/files/f61ggsdam
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: gauschor on June 16, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
This would be amazing technology, the revival of the hidden inventions from Tesla. Unfortunately I feel the worst, which is: it will never come to public and the information being posted and shown in the vids is just not enough. Hopefully this will change and we get some insight before it disappears in a drawer :s
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 16, 2011, 11:11:24 PM
This is obviously one of the BIGGEST INVENTIONS in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Unfortunately, this inventor is repeating the mistakes of other inventors wanting to profit from it, rather than helping the world.

The Multi TRILLION DOLLAR Big Oil Industry will NEVER allow this to come out.

Click on this link to see why:

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7mkvcfpNixIAv5lXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701&p=list+of+dead+scientists&rs=1&fr2=rs-top
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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 17, 2011, 12:48:59 AM
The question is,
if he is doing the same as the Avramenko plug ?

See:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm

There you can see Avramenko touch also the line
without getting shocked...
But this is normal, when he uses a few Mhz radio frequency,
so the waves just go on the surface of the skin, so not flowing through your body
and will not shock you.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stprue on June 17, 2011, 01:40:27 AM
This shouldnt be too hard to figure out giver the size of his configuration.  I like the AV plug idea Stephan, this could be it.  I was also thinking along the lines of some sort of low voltage hairpin type set up but who knows.  Time to test after someone translates, I guess.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 17, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
All you have to do is use powers of deduction and Ockhams razor....eliminate what it is definitely NOT and you are left what it most surely IS.

If you have enough accumulated knowledge in alternate energy this is simple enough to link the pieces.  I have posted a english translation of the Serbian article at the Kapanadze site.  The old guy is NOT giving away any secrets but as usual, inventors can't help themselves and drop a few tidbits....the rest is elementary my dear Leedskalnin/Tesla.

1)  StPrue suggested "low voltage hairpin".  This is of course wrong.  Hairpin requires HIGH voltage to work.
2)  Inventor has created 'special wire' that "does not allow electrons to escape".  This is actually a baloney statement intented to mislead because he is NOT running standard electrical current through the wire!  More on that later.
3)  This is NOT a avaramenko plug otherwise he a) wouldnt be able to patent and b) although still single wire, you would get zapped by the pulses!
4)  Therefore....he is using something other than electrical current that likes a 'non standard' wire....let us think...what could that be??  This is a man of very little means therefore it is not going to be exotic.
5)  It is based on Tesla
6)  Size of the 'rectifier' boxes from outlet to other end are VERY SMALL....this means it is unlikely there will be masses of coils or complicated circuits (this narrows the field immensely)
7)  He states that much HIGHER current can be conveyed through much smaller diameter wire.....here again, this shows this is NOT conventional current and the wire IS different.
8)  So lets focus on the wire...and everything else will fall into place....what wire MATERIAL can be made really small and allow higher current?  Answer = Steel

NOW forget about standard electrical current because of steels high resistance AND the fact that the inventor touches the wire without getting zapped!!  Oh my...what about MAGNETIC CURRENT??  Harmless to touch and can be rectified back into standard electricity but is conveyed on a STEEL BASED wire.

All the ducks suddenly line up -

  Tesla and Leedskalnin made discoveries regarding magnetic current that would "change the world".  We know Leedskalnins perpetual motion holder is basically a room temperature super conductor and once you know its lovely workings you can efficiently push 'standard' current into magnetic current back to standard current with virtually no loss.

That is all



Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 17, 2011, 08:16:46 AM
All you have to do is use powers of deduction and Ockhams razor....eliminate what it is definitely NOT and you are left what it most surely IS.

If you have enough accumulated knowledge in alternate energy this is simple enough to link the pieces.  I have posted a english translation of the Serbian article at the Kapanadze site.  The old guy is NOT giving away any secrets but as usual, inventors can't help themselves and drop a few tidbits....the rest is elementary my dear Leedskalnin/Tesla.

1)  StPrue suggested "low voltage hairpin".  This is of course wrong.  Hairpin requires HIGH voltage to work.
2)  Inventor has created 'special wire' that "does not allow electrons to escape".  This is actually a baloney statement intented to mislead because he is NOT running standard electrical current through the wire!  More on that later.
3)  This is NOT a avaramenko plug otherwise he a) wouldnt be able to patent and b) although still single wire, you would get zapped by the pulses!
4)  Therefore....he is using something other than electrical current that likes a 'non standard' wire....let us think...what could that be??  This is a man of very little means therefore it is not going to be exotic.
5)  It is based on Tesla
6)  Size of the 'rectifier' boxes from outlet to other end are VERY SMALL....this means it is unlikely there will be masses of coils or complicated circuits (this narrows the field immensely)
7)  He states that much HIGHER current can be conveyed through much smaller diameter wire.....here again, this shows this is NOT conventional current and the wire IS different.
8)  So lets focus on the wire...and everything else will fall into place....what wire MATERIAL can be made really small and allow higher current?  Answer = Steel

NOW forget about standard electrical current because of steels high resistance AND the fact that the inventor touches the wire without getting zapped!!  Oh my...what about MAGNETIC CURRENT??  Harmless to touch and can be rectified back into standard electricity but is conveyed on a STEEL BASED wire.

All the ducks suddenly line up -

  Tesla and Leedskalnin made discoveries regarding magnetic current that would "change the world".  We know Leedskalnins perpetual motion holder is basically a room temperature super conductor and once you know its lovely workings you can efficiently push 'standard' current into magnetic current back to standard current with virtually no loss.

That is all

Actually I saw translation of some document and he said it's high voltage. I think it is clever harpin circuit and the output is magnetic current (higher frequency then harpin with spark gap)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NETIKS on June 17, 2011, 10:25:51 AM
:-)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NETIKS on June 17, 2011, 10:42:45 AM
:-)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Jimboot on June 17, 2011, 01:05:13 PM
My immediate thought was a high powered sec type circuit. I've made a few low powered secs and the av plugs measure 100s of volts off a low v source. Pardon my ignorance but Im thinking a power transistor and coil to match the 220v. The secs with a rectifier power dc motors wirelessly. The incandescent bulb is interesting. I can only turn them into plasma lamps on 7v not actually light up.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on June 17, 2011, 01:09:49 PM

P.S: Can the inventor be contacted and invited over here or maybe someone
can visit him and interview him ?

Regards, Stefan.

Milutin Miletic, Varos bb, 37215 Razanj, Serbia, tel: +38137600290
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NETIKS on June 17, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
:-)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NETIKS on June 17, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
:-)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stprue on June 17, 2011, 02:35:54 PM
Lots of good thoughts here everyone.  The size of the hidden transition area is the biggest hint.

@ EG dont shut out a simple hairpin.  It may or may not be but we should be open to many ideas.  These can be made many different ways not just the traditional way.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: romerouk on June 17, 2011, 03:52:05 PM
NETIKS, why do minimise something that looks simple but can have a high impact?
If you folow the cables comming from the power socket u can see that we don't have any complex circuit, nothing to convert to high voltage then convert it back, no AV plug, there is no space enough for anything like that.
In my opinion we only have capacitors and a small coil and no special conductor, just steel wire.
I am planing to investigate and try to replicate this one, for me this is a great discovery.


Romero
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 17, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
@ ElectricGoose,   Thank you for sharing your SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS.

Super Excellent!!!!!

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 17, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
@ ElectricGoose,   Thank you for sharing your SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS.

Super Excellent!!!!!

.

Yes, he is right, magnetic current, but what is it ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: energia9 on June 17, 2011, 04:42:07 PM
NETIKS, why do minimise something that looks simple but can have a high impact?
If you folow the cables comming from the power socket u can see that we don't have any complex circuit, nothing to convert to high voltage then convert it back, no AV plug, there is no space enough for anything like that.
In my opinion we only have capacitors and a small coil and no special conductor, just steel wire.
I am planing to investigate and try to replicate this one, for me this is a great discovery.


Romero

it looks simple and it is a great discovery indeed, i know that this is what just kapanadze have discovered, this way you can power high freq generators aswell , in my opininon and i had this from previous experiments aswell that kapanadze did not use any high voltage in his setup,  220 V single wire transmission, some kind of stabilization does the magic,  this effect Has to be find to make the tesla device work back looped,  this is my word
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 17, 2011, 07:11:10 PM
Pretty impressive, I have never saw a technology like this, an ambient temp superconductor, so Radiant energy, magnetic current or see this:

http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html (http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html)

"A field" magnetic current, all the power is transmeted with a magnetic wire circuit, but the difference is it require two wire instead of one, and if the magnetic circuit is open you have a short circuit, but something interesting to explore about the magnetic current theory...

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on June 17, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
it looks simple and it is a great discovery indeed, i know that this is what just kapanadze have discovered, this way you can power high freq generators aswell , in my opininon and i had this from previous experiments aswell that kapanadze did not use any high voltage in his setup,  220 V single wire transmission, some kind of stabilization does the magic,  this effect Has to be find to make the tesla device work back looped,  this is my word

I agree with you, but what and how?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 18, 2011, 02:18:27 AM
Lots of good thoughts here everyone.  The size of the hidden transition area is the biggest hint.

@ EG dont shut out a simple hairpin.  It may or may not be but we should be open to many ideas.  These can be made many different ways not just the traditional way.

StPrue

I never lock out a notion entirely however the idea that it is hairpin is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.  Focus on the size of the 'rectifiers'.  A hairpin would require nuisance of stepup/stepdown bulky transformers, sparkgaps, capacitors etc and he has no room for this. THEN you have to convert all of it back to 50hz AC!! (which is his output)

No way...this is the simplest way out.  BESIDES...if he was using hairpin there is absolutely no need to mess with the wire or what it is made of....you would just use standard copper.

Best
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 18, 2011, 02:29:02 AM
Pretty impressive, I have never saw a technology like this, an ambient temp superconductor, so Radiant energy, magnetic current or see this:

http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html (http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html)

"A field" magnetic current, all the power is transmeted with a magnetic wire circuit, but the difference is it require two wire instead of one, and if the magnetic circuit is open you have a short circuit, but something interesting to explore about the magnetic current theory...

Schubert

Good post man!

This is almost  EXACTLY how I envisioned the guy is doing it. 

On your link, if you scroll down to 'point' 12 .....this shows a steel transformer core on either end with the 'sides' stretched out into a closed loop of steel wires.  This creates the super conducting circuit when you use STEEL.  Of course as you all know you can touch the transformer itself because that is only conveying magnetic waves.

But I can hear some of you saying "yeh but that is two wires!!"  Dont forget the old guy said he had the wire 'specially made".  I envision it to be something like very thin coaxial cable....a solid steel core, then very small insulation then a solid tube of steel layered over that.  This would give you your perpetual motion holder in 'one wire' and all the switching is done either end in the boxes with very little loss.

If you look at the link again and then have a look at point 13 - to end then you can see how you break the magnetic loop which opens up the magnetic pulse for a double harnessing of power.  You see, you only pay ONCE with this method (the initial pulse into steel) and then the breaking of steel link is free as the reverse pulse gives back nearly the same energy for no input from source dipole.

This is best accomplished with solid steel and not with powdered cores.

Best
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 18, 2011, 02:32:42 AM
Schubert

Good post man!

This is almost  EXACTLY how I envisioned the guy is doing it. 

On your link, if you scroll down to 'point' 12 .....this shows a steel transformer core on either end with the 'sides' stretched out into a closed loop of steel wires.  This creates the super conducting circuit when you use STEEL.  Of course as you all know you can touch the transformer itself because that is only conveying magnetic waves.

But I can hear some of you saying "yeh but that is two wires!!"  Dont forget the old guy said he had the wire 'specially made".  I envision it to be something like very thin coaxial cable....a solid steel core, then very small insulation then a solid tube of steel layered over that.  This would give you your perpetual motion holder in 'one wire' and all the switching is done either end in the boxes with very little loss.

If you look at the link again and then have a look at point 13 - to end then you can see how you break the magnetic loop which opens up the magnetic pulse for a double harnessing of power.  You see, you only pay ONCE with this method (the initial pulse into steel) and then the breaking of steel link is free as the reverse pulse gives back nearly the same energy for no input from source dipole.

This is best accomplished with solid steel and not with powdered cores.

Oh yes....and as you can see from the diagram, because this is just a basic transformer, if you keep the winding 1:1 ratio it is a breeze that the input is 50hz and the output is going to be exactly the same.  You only require a little relay to break the magnetic link and bobs your uncle, fanny's your downfall!

Best
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 18, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
Yeah !!! +1 ElectricGoose, today I made some simulation about this magnetic current theory, effectively with a coaxial wire like, you can transmit magnetic wave over long distance, it look like a wave guide with little losses, see the schematics and comments about this:
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 18, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Tesla-Magnifier-Electrostatic.svg/220px-Tesla-Magnifier-Electrostatic.svg.png
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ronotte on June 18, 2011, 11:01:19 AM
Carefully analyzing the setup I do not find evidence of any complex circuitry or anything resonant stuff as required to operate at 50 Hz/230V. This is the reason why I tend to exclude any Tesla tie. I experimented last year for about 6 months and implemented most of the Tesla TMT variations...). On the contrary the shown 'magnetic' connection is evident. It is also difficult to asses any OU effects as the whole should operate a bit worst than a normal transformer due to higher losses in the long magnetic connection between the two cores.
ronotte
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: pese on June 18, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
This invention is fully different, with all schematics that uses sparkgaps 
sparks from generator (collector) enz (also JT inverters enz)
al them working with RF (High Frequenies) so it was used, by Tesla
(included  the hairpin circuit) and more. Also Kapanadze tryed to generate
Power in this way, its never can create more power out than in.
ALL that was showned, are faults an errors in mesurements the in and output!
No one can (or will?) this do correctly.

THIS "Serbian Inventor, have found another way that have nothing to do,
with this old system, (also existing on wire power systemas thas was patended
in the ´30s.)

In the first tread it is onnonced that "non herzial . longitually waves
(that are not understanding now, and nobody have used this -except Tesla-
in non fully published experiments )
Give also attention.
It claims,  it can by toutching.
The RF Circiuts TESL Kapanadze , you must not do this.

2. The filament lamps glow (ligtning)
if connected with ONE Wire only.

All HF- Test with lamps (as know from radio amateurs)
as in Tesla Hairpin circuit , and in Kapanadze circuits.
NOT one of them can work with an single 1 wire connection !!
(Not One filament (ohmic) Lamp.
CFL lamps, Leds with less tham some milliamps , neon tube can
work with one wire !! IF YOU HOLD THEM IN THE AND!
Why?
Because your hand (on long neon tubes to the surround , have an
capacitive resitance wit picofarads to the ground.
That is enought to light this lamps.  Long cfl and neon tubes also
with distance to the oszillating sources.

LOOK not his way, (that i know now nearly 60 years) Starting with 9 years
in fathers radio repair service (tube-radios).

Also i lock now 10 years nearly all alternative sources.
an (unprofessional, noncommercial) collection  you find
in englisch and germann language
http://www.alt-nrg.de/pppp

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 19, 2011, 01:49:25 AM
@SchubertReijiMaigo

yes, this must it be.

Miletic probably uses a stranded steel wire and splieces off the stranded
wires into 2 halves and then makes a loop, where he feeds in the
electricity from the copper coil like a transformer.

As then the energy is transferred only via magnetic coupling INSIDE the stranded steel wires
it does not matter that the single strands touch each other,
cause they don´t conduct electrical current, but magnetic dipole flipping only.

The energy is probably transmitted inside the wire via electron spin flipping,
so just the magnetic waves travel there inside the wire.

The question surely is, what losses do you get versus just a normal copper wire energy
transfer.
Would be interesting to compare the losses.
Probably the steel wire heats up after some time from the BH curve magnetisation hysteresis losses ?!

So it is more or less only a 1 wire steel core transformer ?!

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: CompuTutor on June 19, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
...As then the energy is transferred only via
magnetic coupling INSIDE the stranded steel wires
it does not matter that the single strands touch each other,
cause they don´t conduct electrical current,
but magnetic dipole flipping only.

Perfectly said Stefan
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 19, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
Yes,very nice Stefan, but I don't understand where is the output transformer ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 19, 2011, 09:40:06 AM
Yes,very nice Stefan, but I don't understand where is the output transformer ?

Read the entire thread and look at the links...it's all explained.  The one 'wire' is really two rolled into one and the x-former coils would be at either end.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 19, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
Quote
The question surely is, what losses do you get versus just a normal copper wire energy
transfer.
Would be interesting to compare the losses.
Probably the steel wire heats up after some time from the BH curve magnetisation hysteresis losses ?!

So it is more or less only a 1 wire steel core transformer ?!

Regards, Stefan.


Hello, Stephan,

About the losses, of course BH losses, eddy and hysteresis, but also flux leakage along the wire (when the strand are nearly together) in my test those two strand was separated by a small film of copper, (a film of aluminium, copper, even air (through a plastic like material)) give me the same result. The best to avoid flux leakage will be a good permeability wire and a diamagnetic material (like bismuth) surrounding this wire...
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 19, 2011, 10:13:54 AM

Hello, Stephan,

About the losses, of course BH losses, eddy and hysteresis, but also flux leakage along the wire (when the strand are nearly together) in my test those two strand was separated by a small film of copper, (a film of aluminium, copper, even air (through a plastic like material)) give me the same result. The best to avoid flux leakage will be a good permeability wire and a diamagnetic material (like bismuth) surrounding this wire...

You guys have missed the entire point.  THERE ARE NO LOSSES WHEN THIS IS SETUP CORRECTLY.  And this is why OU eludes the masses when it has been explained again and again in various guises.  Do people not read?

You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses.  STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER THE FIRST PULSE.  THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil.  I stated this earlier....two for the price of one.

If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out.  However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth!  You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: pese on June 19, 2011, 11:46:13 AM
The question is,
if he is doing the same as the Avramenko plug ?

See:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm

There you can see Avramenko touch also the line
without getting shocked...
But this is normal, when he uses a few Mhz radio frequency,
so the waves just go on the surface of the skin, so not flowing through your body
and will not shock you.
Stefan,
this above , have nothingt to du with the serbian invention.
this Avramenko ist only (and nothing more)
than simply Highfrequency-power-oszillation.
the Led shown only some miniwatts, that will distributed from the two little antennas  (end of circuit) to the enviroment. (aether)

(i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago.
EACH ONE older radio-amateur know this system !!
I have not invented this! This are very old knowledges.
NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys....

Never more out than in ...
Gustav Pese
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 19, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
Stefan,
this above , have nothingt to du with the serbian invention.
this Avramenko ist only (and nothing more)
than simply Highfrequency-power-oszillation.
the Led shown only some miniwatts, that will distributed from the two little antennas  (end of circuit) to the enviroment. (aether)

(i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago.
EACH ONE older radio-amateur know this system !!
I have not invented this! This are very old knowledges.
NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys....

Never more out than in ...
Gustav Pese

Hi Pese,
yes,the Avramenko plug is not OU, but you can transfer also a lot of energy via this way over one
wire. I have seen a picture where he lighted up a 1 KW Bulb with it with just a small single wire transfer.
You only need the right fast diodes and a good foil capacitor at the receiver.

But the Miletic invention seems to be just magnetic as explained above.

P.S. By the way,
I wonder if the circuit Fig. 14 in

http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html

is the trick to the Kapanadze device ?

As you make the iron core into a coil  there you amplify the A-Field and if you put a big sized
output wire there through it  as Kapanadze does, he gets huge currents out of it.

So maybe the real part of the Kapanadze circuit is such an A-Field amplifier iron
coil just powered by a sparkgap high voltage power supply ?
So maybe his few turns of big sizedwire on his coil is just isolated iron wire ?
( sorry this is of course offtopic over here)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 19, 2011, 04:08:57 PM
SIMPLE SIMPLE ANTENNA THEORY?


1.  It looks like there are 3 Enamel Coated Copper Wires (Magnet Wire) mounted on the Wood Board, TOUCHING EACH OTHER.
2.  The 2 wires FROM THE 230V WALL MAINS connect to the 2 OUTSIDE wires on the Wood Board.
3.  There is NO CURRENT drawn from the 230 V Mains, because the 3 wires are insulated wires.
4.  The Middle Wire is the OUTPUT WIRE that powers the bulb and drill motor in the video.

SPECULATION:

1.  The Center Output Wire is Capacitively Coupled and Inductively Coupled to the Outside 2 Mains Wires on the board.
2.  The Center Output Wire acts as an ANTENNA, so to speak.

FURTHER RESEARCH:

1.  If the all Copper Wires don't work, maybe the Center Wire has to be Iron?
2.  Maybe the Center Wire has to be Copper and the Outside Wires Iron?
3.  Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 Wires have to be Iron or Aluminum?
4.  Etc.
.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 19, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
A Side View shows the 3 Wires are COPPER COLORED.
Therefore, it sure looks like Magnet Wire is used.

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: maw2432 on June 19, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
Savings in the amount of wire required to wire a house alone would be significant if this really works as shown.  Also, just think of number of house fires prevented as well as other safety factors.   This invention could be worth multi-millions.
Lowering insurance costs, cost of wiring,  cost of transfering electricity and more. 
What do you think would be the best way to replicate this effect?   

Bill
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 19, 2011, 10:13:22 PM
There are 4 wires feeding the plug from the main. Why?
Too much hype and sensationalism for me. No meter measurements on current draw of the drill. Then we have the patent pending before anyone can see the nomenclature. The reporters looked like they stepped out of a casket.

If this really does work with major power devices,we wont see it coming from him. The energy cartels are not going to want to lose money.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 19, 2011, 10:22:15 PM
Thanks to sseti from Slovenia!

serbian to english :

0:27-0:40
I brought a light bulb to show you how does it work on a single wire, a single uninsulated wire instead of two or three insulated wires.

0:40- 0:46

this one uninsulated wire contains ahmmmm conduct all three: zero, phase and earth

1:03- 1:18
three insulated wires are brought to this one uninsulated wire, which than conduct all three: phase, null and earth and is totally safe. So 1 mm wire.

1:29-1:48
It can not cause fire, spark can not get out of it, it can not kill anyone. Even if we cut it like this, this will cause internal power cut and spark would not come out.
Thanks to sseti from Slovenia for the translations!

2:03-2:11
Here I hold the wire, hand can be wet everyone can check it

2:35-2:52
It uses 40-50 wats instead of more kilowatts in owen (boiler) for heating water. Temperature is adjusted as desired. Here is adjusted at around 40 degrees. When we release the current all this is (?thermo something?) and it slowly growing.

3:28-3:47
What almost no one could do is such a small dimension , because this small (dimension) is already conducting more than 5 kilowatt hour khmmm (he repaired him self) kilowatts. Over 5 kilowats even it is 1 mm, a little bigger could conduct over 50 kilowats.

Reporter said that he used this wire for heating water.

In the start of video reporter also said, tahat Milutin tries for over twenty years to convince the world about the value of his invention.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 20, 2011, 03:06:52 AM
Thank you for the Translation.  I have a question please.
In the line below, is the word  ahmmmm  meant to be Aluminum?

0:40- 0:46
this one uninsulated wire contains ahmmmm conduct all three: zero, phase and earth

Thank you.

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on June 20, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
awg  -  mm

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 20, 2011, 09:03:42 AM
Quote
You guys have missed the entire point.  THERE ARE NO LOSSES WHEN THIS IS SETUP CORRECTLY.  And this is why OU eludes the masses when it has been explained again and again in various guises.  Do people not read?

You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses.  STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER THE FIRST PULSE.  THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil.  I stated this earlier....two for the price of one.

If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out.  However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth!  You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.

Did you mean pulsed DC instead sine AC ?
Curious because in pulsed DC you have some eddy and hysteresis losses too...

Yeah, I know that Tesla used pulsed DC to obtain Radiant effect...

So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 20, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
Thank you for the Translation.  I have a question please.
In the line below, is the word  ahmmmm  meant to be Aluminum?

0:40- 0:46
this one uninsulated wire contains ahmmmm conduct all three: zero, phase and earth



Translation is from that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJhZBWKFon4&NR=1

ahmmmmm means  a mistake in his speech.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 20, 2011, 12:08:55 PM
Did you mean pulsed DC instead sine AC ?
Curious because in pulsed DC you have some eddy and hysteresis losses too...

Yeah, I know that Tesla used pulsed DC to obtain Radiant effect...

So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...

Pardon but OU is just that - amplification of efect of small energy.No magical creation of energy.
Law of conservation of energy is not violated, we are just doing much more work using tiny initial energy.

"2:35-2:52
It uses 40-50 wats instead of more kilowatts in owen (boiler) for heating water. Temperature is adjusted as desired. Here is adjusted at around 40 degrees. When we release the current all this is (?thermo something?) and it slowly growing."
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ElectricGoose on June 20, 2011, 12:43:46 PM
Did you mean pulsed DC instead sine AC ?
Curious because in pulsed DC you have some eddy and hysteresis losses too...

Yeah, I know that Tesla used pulsed DC to obtain Radiant effect...

So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...

Yes....that's what I said.  PULSES and that AC is useless (in two regards). 

1)  You want to 'bang' that iron (steel) like you are swinging a hammer against it...sharp blows on and off.  Sidepoint - Did you realise that if you physically swing a hammer at iron whilst a coil is positioned around the iron, you will produce good current/voltage!
2)  AC is the incorrect waveform AND it creates friction back and forth.

Start experimenting.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: grizli on June 20, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
NETIKS, why do minimise something that looks simple but can have a high impact?
If you folow the cables comming from the power socket u can see that we don't have any complex circuit, nothing to convert to high voltage then convert it back, no AV plug, there is no space enough for anything like that.
In my opinion we only have capacitors and a small coil and no special conductor, just steel wire.
I am planing to investigate and try to replicate this one, for me this is a great discovery.


Romero

Wire may be ferromagnetic ?

In video he mentions special wire compound , hmm
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: grizli on June 20, 2011, 01:32:06 PM
Hi Pese,
yes,the Avramenko plug is not OU, but you can transfer also a lot of energy via this way over one
wire. I have seen a picture where he lighted up a 1 KW Bulb with it with just a small single wire transfer.
You only need the right fast diodes and a good foil capacitor at the receiver.

But the Miletic invention seems to be just magnetic as explained above.

P.S. By the way,
I wonder if the circuit Fig. 14 in

http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html

is the trick to the Kapanadze device ?

As you make the iron core into a coil  there you amplify the A-Field and if you put a big sized
output wire there through it  as Kapanadze does, he gets huge currents out of it.

So maybe the real part of the Kapanadze circuit is such an A-Field amplifier iron
coil just powered by a sparkgap high voltage power supply ?
So maybe his few turns of big sizedwire on his coil is just isolated iron wire ?
( sorry this is of course offtopic over here)

Where is the transformer ?

do you see how small is  "device" where is wire attached to

any classical feromagnet would require high frequency for such small "tranformer core like wire"
and there is no space for eletronics
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 20, 2011, 02:15:57 PM
@ Forest and ElectricGoose, OK I understand, square or pulsed DC have a lot of harmonics, I just know that a square wave have a number of harmonics that tend to infinity !!! (Fourier Transform). All this harmonics is energy also, maybe you have right, the OU can be from harmonics, In AC system harmonics are an undesirable effect because it can flow a lot of ampere (reactive energy)...

After all there is a reason Tesla switched from AC to pulsed DC later...
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: sm0ky2 on June 20, 2011, 06:14:42 PM
has anyone tried to build one of these things?
 you can turn it into single-wire transmission by simply putting a diode on one of the 2 A/C wires....

but where is the return path? sure you have 120v pulsed DC, but with respect to what? wheres the potential? the "ground" ?
is it simply earth-ground? using the fault-circuit?

how is the power drawn off of the 1-wire?

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 20, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
has anyone tried to build one of these things?
 you can turn it into single-wire transmission by simply putting a diode on one of the 2 A/C wires....

but where is the return path? sure you have 120v pulsed DC, but with respect to what? wheres the potential? the "ground" ?
is it simply earth-ground? using the fault-circuit?

how is the power drawn off of the 1-wire?


Read this http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm

Fig 4 will explain all and even more !


3 in one wire : phase, return and ground
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 20, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Or another theory what about two current in same wire, with the skin effect ?
I have make some experiment, with a so called radiant oscillator...
and I have noticed with the skin effect you can carry two current in same wire, for example a DC/low frequency current for a path and a high frequency for the return path, everything in same wire ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 20, 2011, 10:25:59 PM
Or another theory what about two current in same wire, with the skin effect ?
I have make some experiment, with a so called radiant oscillator...
and I have noticed with the skin effect you can carry two current in same wire, for example a DC/low frequency current for a path and a high frequency for the return path, everything in same wire ?

How that could help ? Still low frequency current would kill. However if it's high frequency very low or no current modulated by 50Hz envelope ....
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 21, 2011, 12:02:54 AM
SIMPLE SIMPLE ANTENNA THEORY?


1.  It looks like there are 3 Enamel Coated Copper Wires (Magnet Wire) mounted on the Wood Board, TOUCHING EACH OTHER.
2.  The 2 wires FROM THE 230V WALL MAINS connect to the 2 OUTSIDE wires on the Wood Board.
3.  There is NO CURRENT drawn from the 230 V Mains, because the 3 wires are insulated wires.
4.  The Middle Wire is the OUTPUT WIRE that powers the bulb and drill motor in the video.

SPECULATION:

1.  The Center Output Wire is Capacitively Coupled and Inductively Coupled to the Outside 2 Mains Wires on the board.
2.  The Center Output Wire acts as an ANTENNA, so to speak.

FURTHER RESEARCH:

1.  If the all Copper Wires don't work, maybe the Center Wire has to be Iron?
2.  Maybe the Center Wire has to be Copper and the Outside Wires Iron?
3.  Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 Wires have to be Iron or Aluminum?
4.  Etc.
.

No, I think
he shows there only 3 of his units in parallel !

See, he has 3 plugs at the end and 3 steel wires going parallel and also touching each other.
Each steel wire is for one plug at the other end.

He probably wanted to show with it, that the wires can come in contact with each other
and it does not matter and is still safe, when you use 3 phase wire systems...

in the 3rd device he shows, there you can see, how big the transformers are between the steel wire.

Have a look at these 2 devices circled in red color probaly wrapped into some yellow painted paper or plastic foil or something like this....

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stprue on June 21, 2011, 12:37:05 AM
No, I think
he shows there only 3 of his units in parallel !

See, he has 3 plugs at the end and 3 steel wires going parallel and also touching each other.
Each steel wire is for one plug at the other end.

He probably wanted to show with it, that the wires can come in contact with each other
and it does not matter and is still safe, when you use 3 phase wire systems...

in the 3rd device he shows, there you can see, how big the transformers are between the steel wire.

Have a look at these 2 devices circled in red color probaly wrapped into some yellow painted paper or plastic foil or something like this....

You are right on with this comment.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 21, 2011, 03:38:48 AM
I found a different Video.  Can someone please Translate this Video to English.

Maybe we can get some more ideas from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_fgmu4wsSI

Thank you.

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: alan on June 21, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
I think he uses a coil or coils and accesses the 220V as a physical wave, lag the 220V and join it with the 220V input to create 0V, but it's not 0 force or 0 energy?
just a brainfart
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: futuristic on June 21, 2011, 06:39:49 PM
I found a different Video.  Can someone please Translate this Video to English.

Maybe we can get some more ideas from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_fgmu4wsSI

Thank you.

.

Was hoping that someone else would do it but I guess not... :D

So here it is:
0:23
Reporter:
At the first sight it seems as a regular copper wire, you turn on electricity and on the other end light bulb glows, but as Milutin Miletic says this wire can be touched with no worries with bare hands even when connected to the electricity. Isolator is not needed and current does not kill anymore.

MM:
 I have the product: wire that transfers energy without charge and without emitting electrons. So you don't have 220 volts, but 0 volts.

Reporter:
For more than 20 years MM in his apartment used his invention to save on electricity. Wire does not need insulation and it can be used in many ways.

MM:
Wire can be used for heating or just for energy transfer.
When used for hearing it can have temperature from 20 degrees Celsius to 1000 degrees Celsius.
It depends on the material you use to maintain this high temperature.

Reporter:
For his invention "electricity conductor" MM has special formula, he makes the wire by himself and he says the manufacturing process is not complicated.
He does not have a special research laboratory.

MM (1:32)
**** Sorry but I don't understand what is he saying, perhaps we have some native speakers from Serbia on forum?... ***
Something about thousand chemical materials...

Reporter:
MM says that he invented his special wire 20 years ago. He claims that if this wire would be used in the households there would be no more accidents and fires because of short circuits.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 21, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
@ Futuristic,

Thank you sir for taking the time out to translate that.

It sure is an amazing invention.

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 21, 2011, 11:28:31 PM
Was hoping that someone else would do it but I guess not... :D


MM (1:32)
**** Sorry but I don't understand what is he saying, perhaps we have some native speakers from Serbia on forum?... ***
Something about thousand chemical materials...


Not From Serbia, but once we live together, so:

MM 1:32
my laboratory was free stable, where my (parents) had  cows. There I had a lot of the metal- chemical materials - chemicals, there are thousands of it

Hope that help someone
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on June 21, 2011, 11:45:23 PM
Кому лень ждать-переведите часы своего компа, счетчмк привязан к ним-произойдет чудо

http://www.umbrellatech.lv/photos/files/page4-1000-full.php

http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/guntis/
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 22, 2011, 12:15:48 AM
I think Miletic is just splicing steel cables from bicycle handbrake cables
together or twisting 2 of it together to get one wire and
has a copper coil at each end, so the 1 wire is really 2 steel wires twisted
together and touching and thus just transmits magnetic waves and
this "1 wire" is acting like a transformer core.

Or maybe he just puts out there also standing magnetic waves,
then also only 1 steel wire could work with the right length to be
compatible with the 50 Hz. But then the receiver copper coil must sit
in a hill and not in a knot of the standing wave to get the maximum
output voltage. So then this 1 wire would be a magnetic transmission line.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 22, 2011, 02:54:11 AM
Could somebody that speaks his language try calling Mr Milutin Miletic to see if he will release
a wiring diagram.

You could explain to him that since he ALREADY APPLIED FOR A PATENT, nobody can steal
it from him. Once he understands that, maybe he will release a wiring diagram?

Stefan, can you post his phone number again for somebody that speaks his language?

Thanks.

.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: alan on June 22, 2011, 04:38:32 PM
I think he uses a coil or coils and accesses the 220V as a physical wave, lag the 220V and join it with the 220V input to create 0V, but it's not 0 force or 0 energy?
just a brainfart
Milutin says the same: 0V
I'm going to try this with a AC/AC convertor, which creates low voltage 50Hz from 220V 50Hz.

I think I'm going to give him a call.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on June 22, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
Yes, Alan,
please give him a call, if you can speak the Serbian language.

Please report back what he says.
The phone number was posted a few posts above.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 22, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
If this device is using zero volts No matter what the input voltage is,then the use of magnetic current may be in order like Ed L used. Instead of doing it by hand it could be done at 50/60hz. There are 3 coils in the setup shown.
Notice how there is no return on the bulb.



Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 23, 2011, 11:16:42 PM
Nice drawing IotaYodi

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 24, 2011, 02:37:34 AM
Quote
Nice drawing IotaYodi
That wasnt me. This comes off Ed L Magnetic Current book. Page 21.
There are only 39 pages to this book. If you have never read it I suggest you download the pdf.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:C5MeCiycpuwJ:freeenergynews.com/Directory/Magnets/Leedskalnin/Magnetic-Current_Edward-Leedskalnin_51pp.pdf+magnetic+current+pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcrGKwHt7Odo_olzwmQKAMG5gKJ0tJKScOQvtqlIycn22Avtk3nzCObQr2WeQhgq5NCnJW-8bQOWwcKZyORldVuooQ1YEx2pYtySs1JoHqOfdtE-4ShMeElRpk6DuP6XIVLMCm&sig=AHIEtbSpqAXpaWgOQCUz7MCb8wwL17NbHQ

Im in agreement with Stefan here. Its dipole flipping just like the Ed L experiments. The 2 main bus bars alternate back and forth and are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. At any given time the addition of both Voltages equals zero. Seems he is alternating magnetic poles on the single wire. Normal current flow is always from south to north with the north magnetic field being the output. Sure would like to know how the normal current is isolated.


Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
That wasnt me. This comes off Ed L Magnetic Current book. Page 21.
There are only 39 pages to this book. If you have never read it I suggest you download the pdf.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:C5MeCiycpuwJ:freeenergynews.com/Directory/Magnets/Leedskalnin/Magnetic-Current_Edward-Leedskalnin_51pp.pdf+magnetic+current+pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcrGKwHt7Odo_olzwmQKAMG5gKJ0tJKScOQvtqlIycn22Avtk3nzCObQr2WeQhgq5NCnJW-8bQOWwcKZyORldVuooQ1YEx2pYtySs1JoHqOfdtE-4ShMeElRpk6DuP6XIVLMCm&sig=AHIEtbSpqAXpaWgOQCUz7MCb8wwL17NbHQ

Im in agreement with Stefan here. Its dipole flipping just like the Ed L experiments. The 2 main bus bars alternate back and forth and are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. At any given time the addition of both Voltages equals zero. Seems he is alternating magnetic poles on the single wire. Normal current flow is always from south to north with the north magnetic field being the output. Sure would like to know how the normal current is isolated.

 It is also how our DNA works or functions. What you are seeing is only a flat plane of the 3 dimensional pattern. If you were to make it 3d then you would see that the plane travels in a spiral much like our DNA does. What you are seeing is much like an oscilloscope displays. With only one plane visible by flattening the waves together or viewing them from the side.

 One clue to this is how a wire that takes too much current spirals itself as the coating melts slightly.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: scotty1 on June 26, 2011, 02:58:52 AM
@Iota, that document was not written by Leedskalnin....It was made by Maximilliano, and it has many errors.
I'm getting ready to finish my magnetic current document, which has over 100 cad diagrams ect ect and follows Ed Leedskalnin's original work line for line.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 26, 2011, 03:08:23 AM
Quote
@Iota, that document was not written by Leedskalnin....It was made by Maximilliano, and it has many errors.
I'm getting ready to finish my magnetic current document, which has over 100 cad diagrams ect ect and follows Ed Leedskalnin's original work line for line.
Excellent Scotty! Didnt know there were that many errors. Please let us know when the document is done. I for one want it.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Jimboot on June 26, 2011, 07:58:11 AM
Hey Scotty I'd love to get a copy to when published. I've been looking for Ed's original work. Why do you say that book was written by maximilliano and not ed? Is there another original work out there? Love to know what youre basing your work on. That diagram looks great.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: CompuTutor on June 26, 2011, 08:33:21 AM
...that document was not written by Leedskalnin....It was made by Maximilliano, and it has many errors.

I was under the impression that Maximiliano Taverna
was responsible for adding the the illustrations,
which have known errors in them.

He admits that himself on his blog-spot
http://magneticcurrent.blogspot.com/p/magnetic-current-illustrated.html

Do you have knowledge of him taking
great liberty to the text too please ?

I thought these were Ed's actual notes,
and he only added references to the diagrams were needed.

I also believe I know you as Loadstone @ EF, right ?
Reference:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5740-how-move-mountains-leedskalnin-style-6.html#post124342

Good luck with the CAD cleanup project,
I hope to see a copy shared publicly too. 
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: scotty1 on June 26, 2011, 01:14:17 PM
Hi all...No disrespect to Maximilliano, but people all over the net promote that document as Ed's actual work.  ???
The wording is Ed's yes, but not the diagrams ect ect.

The diagram I posted was from the section where Ed describes Lenz's law.
This project has had so many delays i probably shouldn't say anything  :-\ but i hope to get it all done this year.
Scotty.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on June 26, 2011, 09:05:35 PM
I need to understand Lenz's law ! Can you post any pages related to that ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: CompuTutor on June 26, 2011, 10:55:51 PM
Gosh Scotty!,
I sure hope you didn't find my request for clarification harsh.

Most of us (Thought we) knew that anything other than the
written words in that document were from Maximiliano Taverna.

Your an awsome poster, and a person whom might know more accurately
what the real story on the text/sketch aspect of all this is personally
if your also Loadstone @ EF, and I can go by your posts in the thread referenced.

My head spun when I saw you word it like this:
"...that document was not written by Leedskalnin",
I was truely hoping I read/interpreted that wrong somehow.

We all have lives tearing us from what we would rather do,
so we all understand it may be a while to finish a CAD project.  ;)

I, for one, look forward to a corrected set of illustrations
to go with Ed's thoughts comitted to paper we all know.

Best of luck with that endeavor sir.  :)



On this threads topic now,
has anyone noticed a similarity to this linear example,
and the rotary example used everywhere on power poles ?

When you take apart a step-down transformer from a pole,
and get past that lovely gooey dialectric they use in them,
all you have is a yodel of metal plates forming induction coupling.

there are no "Windings" in the traditional sense,
as one might expect to find in there...

One can get the impression they are just like
the typical layout of an electrolytic capacitor,
but things I have read on forums by power workers
seem to indicate they believe they operate by induction.

That is not far from the preposed "magnetic current" postulated here,
just rolled up like a yodel into a more compact form for utility use.

If his linear illustrative example model was rolled up,
we would all just call it a transformer and be done with it.

By being a set of straight wires, it still is a transformer,
but it makes us think a little harder about the whole thing,
and just what it is that might be happening there, right ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: totoalas on June 26, 2011, 11:32:27 PM
One Wire   supply  by Lidmotor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa6GADVRbso
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 27, 2011, 12:48:39 AM
@ Totoalas

Can you please fix that YouTube Link above, because it doesn't work.


Thank you.

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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: totoalas on June 27, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa6GADVRbso
Hi Fatbird
Ps check Lidmotor channel in youtube

Muller Dynamo driven by a SEC 18 exciter.ASF
Title: Is one-wire energy transfer something very old?
Post by: Magnethos on June 27, 2011, 10:59:35 PM
It's amazing that something that we think it's new and "could be lost", is something that it has been known and apparently very used.

Yesterday I was thinking about that when I saw the bumper cars. I noticed that the cars have like an antenna that is in contact with a high-voltage net. But... what is the important point here? It seems that the antenna is only one wire, and they receive the power from the antenna.

Also, I usually use the train. In the city I live the train is electric and doesn't use fossil fuel. If you look at the power line, the train is using exactly the same technique like the bumper car (at least apparently).
The electric cable is using only 1 wire!! And those trains use several KiloWatt to move.

Here you have the picture:
Title: Re: Is one-wire energy transfer something very old?
Post by: Shokac on June 27, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
It's amazing that something that we think it's new and "could be lost", is something that it has been known and apparently very used.

Yesterday I was thinking about that when I saw the bumper cars. I noticed that the cars have like an antenna that is in contact with a high-voltage net. But... what is the important point here? It seems that the antenna is only one wire, and they receive the power from the antenna.

Also, I usually use the train. In the city I live the train is electric and doesn't use fossil fuel. If you look at the power line, the train is using exactly the same technique like the bumper car (at least apparently).
The electric cable is using only 1 wire!! And those trains use several KiloWatt to move.

Here you have the picture:

Trams/train are used approximately 1000V DC. Wire in the air is positive (+1000 V), the rails are negative (-).

Two wires!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on June 28, 2011, 12:46:47 AM
Bumper cars are essentially the same. The ceiling is one polarity and the floor for the other completing the circuit. They now use alternating strips on the floor. A Ge employee invented the bumper car. 
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Magnethos on June 28, 2011, 10:02:34 AM
Thank you very much for the information.  :-[
I didn't know about that.

Maybe this could be useful?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_transmission_line

Single Wire circuits:
1) Tesla
2) Brovin-Kacher
3) Avramenko
4) Milutin
5) http://www.google.com/patents?id=Qj7TAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=%22single+wire%22&hl=en&ei=C4wJTuadLYiZ8QO209WTAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q&f=true

6) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=20000822&CC=US&NR=6108751A&KC=A

7) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=19851203&CC=US&NR=4556958A&KC=A      ***

8) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=20060629&CC=US&NR=2006140284A1&KC=A1

9) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=19980915&CC=US&NR=5809519A&KC=A

10) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=19980915&CC=US&NR=5809518A&KC=A

11) http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_GB&FT=D&date=20000829&CC=US&NR=6112275A&KC=A


Fuc*... there are tons of patens of a single line transmission of power And/or information. LOL

http://www.google.es/patents?id=PSsnAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA9&dq=%22single+line%22+AND+power&hl=en&ei=DJQJTsbpOImg8QO2k_F0&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=%22single%20line%22%20AND%20power&f=false


http://www.google.es/patents?id=lMGCAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA19&dq=%22single+line%22+AND+power&hl=en&ei=tJMJTqaNF9S68gPB6LCTAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=%22single%20line%22%20AND%20power&f=false

http://www.google.es/patents?id=a50eAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=%22single+line%22+AND+power&hl=en&ei=tJMJTqaNF9S68gPB6LCTAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=%22single%20line%22%20AND%20power&f=false

http://www.google.es/patents?id=ZA8jAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA8&dq=%22single+line%22+AND+power&hl=en&ei=kJMJTqyOKcuy8QOe5dhu&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22single%20line%22%20AND%20power&f=false

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on June 28, 2011, 05:29:44 PM

energy one wire rusian ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckaMOlixqw
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 29, 2011, 12:57:24 AM
Can somebody call the inventor to see if he will give us a Wiring Diagram?
Please explain to him that since he already applied for a patent, nobody can steal it from him.

Milutin Miletic, Varos bb, 37215 Razanj, Serbia, tel: +38137600290

Thanks.

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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 29, 2011, 07:57:42 AM
I'll call him. Suggestions for questions i should ask him.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Magnethos on June 29, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
I think nothing more, I don't know if he will want to give you some details of the schematics, but try. If not, you can ask to him to get your own ideas and details about the technique he is using.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 29, 2011, 12:01:22 PM
I'll call him. Suggestions for questions i should ask him.


Today I spoke with MM and at the beginning he said that he is very happy that someone is interested  for his work after some period of time. In an interview with him, it was difficult to understand him due  the speech in his age and because of poor telephone connections.

MM has said that the patent is secret until it is established that the MM is actually the one who invented the thing. The patent was filed in Serbia.

When asked whether he wanted to say something about the method of manufacturing wires or  hidden passage of three wires in one, he said that he will not talk about it because this is his secret. When I explained to him that he had already filed a patent to him and no one can steal or take from him the invention or patent, he told me that we need to spoke about the presentation or any other information with his delegate who is his neighbor (tel. +38137841787, name: Dzukic Zika- original = Đukić Žika) .

In an interview, the only thing he said  is that copper is the best conductor of electricity (on question about wire mixture).

After talking with MM I get the impression that MM would be willing to give information about the wire and method of manufacture of a relatively small investment. ( He said that he had in the past, man who has invested 1000 EUR (thousand) for the wire put on the market in Italy, but later he do not know what happened to this man.)

MM does not have access to the Internet for discussion on forum, neither his neighbur .

For now thats is all and I personaly think that MM will not give any information over the phone or without any investement.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Magnethos on June 29, 2011, 12:54:07 PM
Thank you very much for the information.
I thought that he wasn't going to give the info since I also met an inventor that made a free energy device and a cancer cure machine and the interview that I had with him was almost identically to your interview.

There is always 1 or 2 people that met the inventor and after... nothing is known about those people. Then, the technique is a "secret" and nothing is said about that.

If he has a patent, then we can wait some months or years and if it's released to the public, study it carefully.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: totoalas on June 29, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
One Wire energy transfer  Variant
Quest for the material  begin

cheers

totolaS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKBhN64hdp4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 29, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
@ tadejstenta

Thank you for calling him.  That is very nice of you to do that sir.


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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Earl on June 30, 2011, 06:41:36 PM
I just stumbled onto a video concerning a Russian one-wire transmission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckaMOlixqw

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 30, 2011, 07:52:39 PM
Thanks Earl for posting that.

Absolutely amazing.


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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on June 30, 2011, 08:56:12 PM
To communicate over a single wire 5kW, not the equipment is put in a plug.

This video has nothing to do with Milutinov invention.
This video is nothing but a Tesla coil in the primary and secondary. On the other hand to use ground, which in turn leads us to the "two" wire

Milutin use something very simple and has a specially crafted string.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: T-1000 on July 02, 2011, 04:03:31 AM
I just stumbled onto a video concerning a Russian one-wire transmission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckaMOlixqw

Regards, Earl

This guy who posted video is Lithuanian ,same as I :) And because Lithuania is neighbour with Russia many guys speak and understand Russian as secondary language...

On the other hand to use ground, which in turn leads us to the "two" wire

Not true, you can have not grounded system in receiver as 1 wire ends with 2 diodes splitting current into positive and negative. Try any HW transformer system from not grounded battery with spark discharge and you will see what it is all about. As long as you have HV discharge, it creates circumstances where there's electrical dipole between human/ground and any wire in system.

Cheers!
T-1000
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 02, 2011, 12:04:55 PM

Not true, you can have not grounded system in receiver as 1 wire ends with 2 diodes splitting current into positive and negative. Try any HW transformer system from not grounded battery with spark discharge and you will see what it is all about. As long as you have HV discharge, it creates circumstances where there's electrical dipole between human/ground and any wire in system.

Cheers!
T-1000

Yes, but only in HV circuits and spark gaps. Milutin use only 220V?!?!?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on July 02, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
Quote
Yes, but only in HV circuits and spark gaps. Milutin use only 220V
High voltage is a loose term. Anything over 50 volts has enough current to set the heart into fibrillation. 90 to 120 volts can be considered to be high voltage.
 A spark gap doesnt have to ionize the air to where you visibly see it. The most intense magnetic field intensity off a pulsed dc spark gap is very low voltage. I think its below 3 volts. This has been confirmed by scientists. A high voltage spark gaps magnetic field intensity is much lower.

 There are 4 wires coming into the plug from the main. The main is single phase. You can have 2 circuits on one neutral. Yet from the looks of the plug there are 2 neutrals. Even with a 2 pole breaker you only need one neutral. So does that mean there is a separate neutral from the neutral bar to the plug? Would one of the 3 wires actually be a twisted bifilar or bi metal for the other neutral?     
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer Variant 2
Post by: totoalas on July 02, 2011, 06:44:54 PM
One Wire energy transfer  Variant
Quest for the material  begin

cheers

totoalaS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKBhN64hdp4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Hi to all

 NOW IT SAFE TO TOUCH LOL
 using Neutral plus heating element(no connection)... will light up a 220 v acneon
 No ground connection needed
 Material
 Live and Neutral 2 mm magnet wire
 Ground 1 mm magnet wire no connection
 Heating element 0.5 mm wire
 neon lamp 220 v
 Power source 220 v ac 50 hz Line neutral
cheers

totoalas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE0oq3XWOWY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: amigo on July 02, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
Heh, that's just funny. So Milutin's business manager is his neighbour. We'll see how long that lasts...maybe I'll just sum it up right now: Milutin will eventually pass on, and his secret will go with him. Not the first time it happened and not the last.

When you look at the past 50 years (or more), there have been so many claims and everyone wanted money before they would say anything. Most recent example is Tariel Kapanadze, as that charade has been going on for several years now, mostly fueled by people who believe in it without true substantiated evidence (videos and photos do not count as evidence).

I don't blame them though, these discoverers, whether they are genuine or not. They want a better life for themselves and their families and money is the only way to it right now. It's just sad that they are so short sighted to see that their lives could improve by a magnitude if they only freely shared their discovery with everyone.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer Variant 2
Post by: Shokac on July 03, 2011, 09:16:11 AM
Hi to all

 NOW IT SAFE TO TOUCH LOL
 using Neutral plus heating element(no connection)... will light up a 220 v acneon
 No ground connection needed
 Material
 Live and Neutral 2 mm magnet wire
 Ground 1 mm magnet wire no connection
 Heating element 0.5 mm wire
 neon lamp 220 v
 Power source 220 v ac 50 hz Line neutral
cheers

totoalas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE0oq3XWOWY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If you have seen good that uses two wires. One is connected to heater wires and the other is connected to the Neutral
Title: Safe One Wire energy transfer Variant 3
Post by: totoalas on July 03, 2011, 03:22:08 PM


Hi
Using one heater wire as  source  and one antenna......can lit up one 20 v ac neon lamp

cheers

totoalas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se4rjz6Go34
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 05, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
@totoalas

do you try to resonate 50/60 Hz and transmit with antenna to second site?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: totoalas on July 05, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
@totoalas

do you try to resonate 50/60 Hz and transmit with antenna to second site?
Yes  from what i understand  the magnetic flux  from live and neutral
is picked up by the heating wire  and the antenna  acts as ground or body ground
cheers
This output can be amplified maybe with jt for charging or slayer circuit for lighting ,,,,,,,the next test in progress
totoalas
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 06, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
If current not flow, magnetic flux not exist.

If resonate 50/60 Hz with capacitance and inductor or resistor, we have current flow through resonate circuit.

If resonate circut work, line and neutral see only hi impedance and looks like open end.

Regards!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 08, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
Could somebody that speaks his language try calling Mr Milutin Miletic to see if he will release a wiring diagram.
That concerned me as well.  Even the "GOOGLE Images" function has none of his original drawings.
Quote
You could explain to him that since he ALREADY APPLIED FOR A PATENT, nobody can steal it from him. Once he understands that, maybe he will release a wiring diagram?
That's ordinarily a point, unless people like the Russians and Chinese are involved. I wouldn't trust either group.

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 08, 2011, 10:15:22 PM
Today I spoke with Mr. Milutin. He told me that the wire is easy to make and that is best for the copper.

He said that if you put "cekas" wire, then it turns into a heater.

He did not want to say anything more, but I was instructed at his neighbor. (I think someone already posted his number)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on July 09, 2011, 01:48:44 AM
  My father was from Yugoslavia, and was a scientist.  What happens there is not always any better than with with other two groups.
  The old iron curtain countries, have a tendency to distrust.  They do think differently, and come up with some amazing stuff, though. People like Tesla, for example, so it's best to pay attention to their inventions.  I hope that this guy doesn't die like Moray, and others, taking his secret to the grave.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: totoalas on July 09, 2011, 04:16:54 PM


If current not flow, magnetic flux not exist.

If resonate 50/60 Hz with capacitance and inductor or resistor, we have current flow through resonate circuit.

If resonate circut work, line and neutral see only hi impedance and looks like open end.

Regards!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gWT0cbTSA

Thanks for the info   and btw  what does cekas means
Below is  another variant
One wire Free Energy Variant 4

cheers

totoalas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gWT0cbTSA
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: srbetina on July 10, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
"cekas"  is wire inside every heating device  ;D
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: hartiberlin on July 10, 2011, 12:17:32 AM


Today I spoke with Mr. Milutin.

Did you ask him,
if he is just using a magnetic transformer and uses iron wire as shown in the first postings of this thread ?

Maybe if you forgot to ask this, please call again ?

Quote
He told me that the wire is easy to make and that is best for the copper.


What do you mean by this ?
Did he say that he is also using copper for the wire ?

Does he manufacture the wire himself ?
Does he produce any allow himself and produce with
heating and melting and the wires ??
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: EMdevices on July 10, 2011, 02:54:44 AM
The length of his one wire seems to be a set distance, about 1 meter.


Why?


Have you considered that energy is transmitted through this wire in the form of acoustic energy, under resonance?

The wire is made from magnetostrictive materials, and is excited by coils at each end,

EM
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on July 10, 2011, 03:23:12 AM
Quote
The wire is made from magnetostrictive materials
That would account for magnetic pole flipping if thats what is being done. I was hoping for something simpler but it would do.
Nice observation!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 11, 2011, 09:34:33 AM

Did you ask him,
if he is just using a magnetic transformer and uses iron wire as shown in the first postings of this thread ?

Did he say that he is also using copper for the wire ?

Does he manufacture the wire himself ?
Does he produce any allow himself and produce with
heating and melting and the wires ??

if he is just using a magnetic transformer and uses iron wire as shown in the first postings of this thread ? not to say anything

Did he say that he is also using copper for the wire ? Yes. Can be any type of wire. A type of wire depends on whether it will be for heating or for electricity transmission.

Does he manufacture the wire himself ? Yes
Does he produce any allow himself and produce with
heating and melting and the wires ?? I do not know. I think it is just a way of connecting.

And most important. This wire is not OU device. There are also losses

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: lancaIV on July 11, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
if he is just using a magnetic transformer and uses iron wire as shown in the first postings of this thread ? not to say anything

Did he say that he is also using copper for the wire ? Yes. Can be any type of wire. A type of wire depends on whether it will be for heating or for electricity transmission.

Does he manufacture the wire himself ? Yes
Does he produce any allow himself and produce with
heating and melting and the wires ?? I do not know. I think it is just a way of connecting.

And most important. This wire is not OU device. There are also losses
Hello Shokac,
you wrote :" This wire is not OU device."

Somebody told us that with this wire as heater filament it would be possible to heat water with an OU-efficiency >1 up to C.O.P.=20 !
Could you me/us explain the facts ?

To compare with this here : www.al-bernstein-industries.com

Sincerely
              CdL
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 11, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
Hello Shokac,
you wrote :" This wire is not OU device."

Somebody told us that with this wire as heater filament it would be possible to heat water with an OU-efficiency >1 up to C.O.P.=20 !
Could you me/us explain the facts ?

Milutin told me!
This wire only use for security transmision electric energy and for security heating. No OU

Regards!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: lancaIV on July 11, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
I thank you for the fast response !

Have I to understand now Mr.Milutins invention  that the special effect of this wire is the shock-(/probably also spark-)free behaviour ?!

And using the wire as water heating resistance I get less than 1KWH-heat by input 1KWH-electricity !?

Sincerely
               CdL

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 11, 2011, 08:54:04 PM
...And most important. This wire is not OU device. There are also losses
My question in my mind is:  Is this device functioning with one wire, compared to Tesla's two wire system, as with Tesla's 'hairpin' circuit?

Was the 'hairpin' circuit OU?

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 11, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
My question in my mind is:  Is this device functioning with one wire, compared to Tesla's two wire system, as with Tesla's 'hairpin' circuit?

Was the 'hairpin' circuit OU?

--Lee

Yes. Milutin use only one wire.

HOW?

I don't know!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: EMdevices on July 11, 2011, 10:29:22 PM
thank you Shokac for bringing us this info.



In the videos the wire he holds in his hand looks almost silvery, and I would say it is Nickel based.   He also mentioned heating wire, or Nichrome wire, which has about 60 %  Nickel in it, and Nickel is magnetostrictive. 

Here's an interesting anomaly in nickel wire, just to ilustrate that science doesn't know everything there is to know. 

  http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=234280


Also, I'm including a picture of a Nickel alloy wire.

EM

PS.  I think the inventor ASSUMES he can use copper, but has not shown that in the videos.  Copper is a different color.

Shokac,   if you talk to him again,  ask him this question:     Can your wire be any length?  Also, why do you only show wires of about 1 meter in length.

Also,  what was his profesion in life  before he retired? 
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on July 12, 2011, 12:24:53 AM
 
    EM:
   It appears to me that the secret wire may also be in part an antenna. Or, that may have nothing to do with it.  Except, that it is always a certain lenght, so one way or another its the tuner.
   There are devices now that are drawing on certain waves present in the air.  There are also new devices that can draw on a number of man-made electromagnetic waves.  Although this is an interesting set up,  drawing on Aether would be much more interesting to me, but what ever "lights your bulbs"... can keeps you warm at night,  is good.
  This device or energy conversion connector is said to be more efficient, but not OU.  That's ok, for now, it's better than what we've  got going currently.  I hope he can make some money on it, and  release the unknown info on it. Before something happens to him, too.
                        NickZ   
   
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on July 12, 2011, 09:17:21 AM
I like the idea of nickel magnetostrictive wire. Current converted to sound ! ;)
The I would like to ask : is the bulb directly connected to this wire or need anything else to convert it into electricity again ? I think inventor will not explain this but maybe if we formulate question differently ... ?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 12, 2011, 11:39:20 AM

Shokac,   if you talk to him again,  ask him this question:     Can your wire be any length?  Also, why do you only show wires of about 1 meter in length.

Also,  what was his profesion in life  before he retired?

Can your wire be any length? Milutin says "any length"
Also,  what was his profesion in life  before he retired? Technology engineer.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 12, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
hi everyone i have a suspect diagram, i think he use the picture in the energy amplification thread page #63

i think he connected the bulb in the extra coil gap. just a wild thinking.  ;D

no matter were the flow is then it flows one direction. 

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.930
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on July 12, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Guys, I think we have to be clear on our Posts.  When we discuss wire, are you talking about:


1.  ONE of the THREE WIRES on his Long Board?

2.  OR, are we talking about the ONE WIRE OUTPUT from the Board to the LIGHT?

3.  Why, because the output Wire appears to be a DIFFERENT SHINY WIRE than the 3 Wires on the board.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on July 12, 2011, 03:33:30 PM
That's the same. One wire per one phase.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on July 12, 2011, 06:34:27 PM
@ forest,   That's the same. One wire per one phase.

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HUH, are you saying there are 3 phases from the wall outlet, & he is onlly using 1 of the 3 phases?

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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 12, 2011, 06:46:48 PM
hi everyone i have a suspect diagram, i think he use the picture in the energy amplification thread page #63

i think he connected the bulb in the extra coil gap. just a wild thinking.  ;D

no matter were the flow is then it flows one direction. 

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.930
Well, I did at least imply recently that I thought Milutin was rather following Tesla's work with the hairpin circuit.
I just never saw the wiring diagram in the cited OU.com page above (posted Reply #932, pg. 63 of that thread).

Also, J. Naudin did similar work with something like a Xenon flash tube extracting electrons from the environment.  With one wire.

Then, too, it appears that Milutin may be influenced by Avramenko and his 'fork; plug' circuit.

Lastly, Tito is also correct in saying electricity flows in one direction; I have a thread on OUR.com to that effect.  He's right.

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on July 12, 2011, 07:57:19 PM
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HUH, are you saying there are 3 phases from the wall outlet, & he is onlly using 1 of the 3 phases?
I dont think their mains are 2 phase but single or "split" phase. I think its highly unlikely its 3 phase power. Hes probably just using both bus bars. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_electric_power
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 12, 2011, 09:51:09 PM

Hi OU_Dot_Com blokes,

About Nickel and current converted to sound...

What about sound converted to voltage (with Nickel)?

A "couple of times" ago, I made the experiment described in the attached picture.

It worked.

I just had to give a tiny shock on the rod to see a wave form on the oscillo.  As far as a can remember the voltage was on the Milli Volts range.

The Nickel rod was given to me by an old "OU Guy" (now deceased) who suggested me this experiment.

Very Best
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on July 13, 2011, 12:44:16 AM
Yeah, but how do we keep the Nickel Rod vibrating continuously?

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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 13, 2011, 03:25:34 AM

Yeah, but how do we keep the Nickel Rod vibrating continuously?

This was just an experiment.
My post was just intended to give back some information.
I did not intend to prove anything.

Yeah, it is easy to keep the Nickel Rod vibrating continuously:
it suffices that some Fat Bird utter incessantly nonsense in front of it.

Very Best
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on July 13, 2011, 03:51:56 AM
Frequency generator
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Shokac on July 13, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Frequency generator

I try this setup. Not work!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: EMdevices on July 30, 2011, 11:48:09 PM
I found somebody that speaks Serbian and we watched the Milutin's videos together and he translated for me.

I now have a new theory about how he makes the wire,  and yes he actually makes the wire in his barn with the cows standing around.

He does not heat up molten metal and draw out wires,  oh no, that's not what he does.   He uses chemicals and mixes them, so ask yourself what can you do in a barn with some chemicals?

Here's the answers:

1)   He does ELECTROPLATING on an EXISTING WIRE.

2)   He deposits layers upon layers, starting with a thin wire,  first he deposits an insulating layer, than another conductor layer,  then another insulating layer.

3)  Than he just connects the Hot and Ground wires from his outlet straight to the ends of his layered wire that he produces.  It's like a thin cylindrical capacitor almost. 


This is a very simple technology.  He uses conductors and normal current flows through "one" wire, which is not one wire at all, but multiple wires separated by an oxide layer as insulation, with a final insulating layer on the outside so you don't get electrocuted.

EM
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on July 31, 2011, 12:32:50 AM
  Thank you for that explanation.  Sounds very simple. The electroplating is not difficult to do, possibly with a ready made machine for that purpose.  But, how does he electroplate the insulating layer, or what might that actually be??? 
                                          NickZ
 
                       
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Qwert on July 31, 2011, 02:39:54 AM
Another catch: he transmits more power through thinner wire.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on July 31, 2011, 10:32:19 AM
EMDevices

There is one contradicting factor: he said we can safely cut the wire
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on July 31, 2011, 06:02:23 PM
 There may be what appear as contradictions. The point is that it works, and can be much more economical to use in that form.  The only problem is that you need to have a source in the first place, and what happens if there is no source to depend on? Back to the drawing board?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: IotaYodi on August 01, 2011, 02:50:27 AM
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Another catch: he transmits more power through thinner wire.
May be using high frequency currents and its skin effects.

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There is one contradicting factor: he said we can safely cut the wire
Could be some type of fault interrupter.

The electroplating is interesting. With the thinner layers possibly using high frequency currents and its skin effects ,it may be what hes doing.

Wonder if this type of scheme might work on solid iron core coils. An iron core,insulation,copper plating,insulation,iron tube or iron electroplating,insulation,copper plating and so on.  As mentioned just like a capacitor.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on August 01, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
  Somehow this reminds me of what Otto from Zagreb, had mentioned about using the tin plated copper wire for the TPU device replications, working as a semiconductor at room temps. There might be some similarities.
  I can see the metal electroplating of the wire as the easy part, but what is used for the insulator layer, and how is that electroplated???
 I hope this idea gets the patent so that we can know more about it.
  Maybe it can be connected to solar panels instead of using grid power.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: CompuTutor on August 02, 2011, 03:00:51 AM
Insulation is a coating,
could be dipped and drawn,
or attracted by electro-spray,
like they do for cars, etc.

The thickness could be controlled by viscosity the first way,
and by time of doposition in the second method (before the heat curing).
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on August 02, 2011, 07:04:37 PM
I sure wish we could figure out how he did that.
It's a shame he won't share it with the world.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2011, 08:36:00 PM
I sure wish we could figure out how he did that.
Don't we all.  Radiant high voltage from a Tesla hairpin circuit can be safely handled in a bowl of water.  Is his circuit that safe?
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It's a shame he won't share it with the world.
Some people are greedy.  Other are afraid.  A few may be both.  But, I agree with you.  I'd just like to look at a schematic.

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on August 02, 2011, 10:21:36 PM
Good points.  I think you are right.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stAtrill on August 09, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
So I was doing a bit of reading over at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/em.htm (http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/em.htm) and apparently (eg, according to the doctor who authored the site) the maxwell equations have no provisions for the interactions of TEM waves, neither with each other or at boundaries. So this doctor and a few of his buddies took it upon themselves to do some experimental research, and they found:

1) TEM pulses can exist in superposition
2) This superposition is governed by whether the pulses are similar or dissimilar
3) TEM pulses will reflect at a boundary
4) Superimposed pulses can change the reflection or scattering pattern of the TEM pulse, and help each other across junctions

Now, my math may be a bit shaky, as I just graduated from high school, but given a dielectric with length L and an arbitrarily high permittivity, and given that a TEM pulse propagates at speed c, then you could create a standing wave in the wire by applying alternating square pulses of the length L divided by the harmonic n.
You would have pulses traveling both up and down the wire at speed C and antinodes at every 0.5*L/N. Should you join a loop to the end of the wire, things start getting tricky. Properly superimposed dissimilar pulses shouldn't reflect (as their sums would be zero), but would instead propagate both north and south down the loop, and the two pulses should add up to the energy of the original pulses in the first dielectric via conservation laws (as we currently know them).

We have solved the first problem, energy transfer via one wire. Now, we must create method to extract work from these pulses. Because I have no experience, I am warning that I am purely speculating. But, It seems reasonable to me to simply place the load in the wire at an antinode of the pulses. I know its not that simple, because adding a resistor would cause a small reflection of the TEM pulses, either introducing noise into the system (that could prevent you from extracting current from the full difference of the voltages) or changing the apparent length of the system such that the load is at a node and sees no difference in voltages from which to extract current. So, I am thinking this problem could be solved by a carefully constructed diode circuit, or by 'tuning' the pulses and dielectric wire lengths for a specific load?

What do you guys think? I'm personally very much enjoying that site, I too believe our laws of physics are in for a refresher.

EDIT: This is not likely how he did it, but I'm thinking this could very well be another solution to the same problem. I'd experiment, but unfortunately I don't have a signal generator (or enough EM knowledge).
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: EMdevices on August 09, 2011, 08:03:51 PM
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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: pix on August 09, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
@StAtrill
Spot on. Read about so called Tesla Hairpin or Lecher lines.
It would be interesting to put a pick-up line ALONG pulsed transmission line. Induced voltages due to electric field component would be large.Doe anybody tested such setup?

Regards,
pix
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: NickZ on August 10, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
  This link was posted on the Jule thief thread, but I though that on this tread is where it should be placed.
  http://www.keelynet.com/energy/milan.htm
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stAtrill on August 12, 2011, 03:36:45 PM
@StAtrill
Spot on. Read about so called Tesla Hairpin or Lecher lines.
It would be interesting to put a pick-up line ALONG pulsed transmission line. Induced voltages due to electric field component would be large.Doe anybody tested such setup?

Regards,
pix

Whoa, I feel like I've almost jumped down the rabbit hole on this one. Digging deeper, this seems like It'd be sooo easy to replicate. I don't have the means to, but why wouldn't anyone else?

This could be an extremely useful invention.
(Also, from the sites I've been digging at suggest that there may be more to electrical flow than just current. Good discovery to be made?)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Mem on August 15, 2011, 07:50:52 PM
I just watched the video, guys too. This looks to e little bit of fishy, to me! In other words looks like two wires concealed in one and with some kind of copper shielding. Since didn't look like there was some kind of RF or EMF present. Then it's hard to give any credit.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stAtrill on August 18, 2011, 01:50:49 AM
Okay guys, chalk this one up as solved.

I was corresponding with an EE friend of mine from the EU and his response was that this was nothing new, and that single wire transmission systems already exist commercially, but are typically more lossy than traditional two wire systems (which is why they are rarely used).

So, I went and did some digging.
This turned up: http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html

Someone notify this inventor that he has merely reinvented the wheel, prior art for this invention dates back to 1898.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_transmission_line

So, this could be replicated by someone with merely a long length of wire. Unfortunately I don't even have this, but it shouldn't take 2 hours to build the transmission line as defined in the American Scientist article. Also, look at the date of the article: 1999

This is way old news apparently.

Lol at the guys who think they can tell a hoax from a fairly uninformative video.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Qwert on August 19, 2011, 12:57:37 AM
Nothing new when it's "lossy". This is absolutely NEW since the inventor claims that his invention performs better, comparing two-wire systems.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on August 19, 2011, 01:43:57 AM
@ stAtrill,

If it is SO SIMPLE like you infer in your post, why can't anybody on OverUnity duplicate it?

PLUS, I don't see any coils wrapped around another coil like your URL Link shows.

I only see 3 PARALLEL WIRES side by side.

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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Mem on August 19, 2011, 04:36:29 AM
You can watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwMAxxYcvE&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwMAxxYcvE&NR=1) it looked odd when I saw that two prong plug on the video. Doesn't feel like it's one wire. More like two wires in one.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Qwert on August 19, 2011, 06:40:41 AM
Mem, you are great! (My sarcasm). And since you have the solution, check it now in practice.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stAtrill on August 19, 2011, 09:38:39 AM
@ stAtrill,

If it is SO SIMPLE like you infer in your post, why can't anybody on OverUnity duplicate it?

PLUS, I don't see any coils wrapped around another coil like your URL Link shows.

I only see 3 PARALLEL WIRES side by side.

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Read back through this thread. I'm not sure about you, but it definitely doesn't look to me as if anyone has replicated the method I suggested. Of all of the overly complicated methods others suggested, it seems that no serious replication attempt has taken place, and furthermore, the majority of this thread is wild speculation. Think about it, do you really think you can properly insulate 120 volts against ground with any kind of coating reasonably available to public, with the whole wire sandwich remaining obviously thin enough to be mistaken as a single wire? Before answering this question, look at the computer you're on right now and the wire leaving your wall that feeds it.

Returning to reason, this appears to be nothing more that a tesla coil with a second primary coil. The tesla coil is, by design, a single wire transmission system (originally crafted as part of his wireless transmission system to use the air as the dielectric). The inner coil is connected to nothing, and only magnetically coupled with the primary. This being said, adding a second coil to the opposite end of the inner coil will allow you to extract the energy imparted into the inner coil by the primary. And if you weren't building a 'true' tesla coil (i.e. one that ramps voltage up to the hundreds of kVolts), the primary coils could easily be small enough to fit in his 'hidden areas'.

Knowing your type can never be this easily satisfied, allow me to preempt your further arguments:
-Yes, that means the third wire (ground) is entirely useless. Remember he is trying to patent this, he wouldn't get far if his video gave everything away.
-The inner coil DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A COIL over the length that does not directly interact with the primary coils. It could easily be straightened out and function normally.
-This is the simplest solution that assumes the least, and Occam's razor dictates this method should be tried first.
-No, I haven't tried it myself.
-And yes, I will be happy to try it myself, once I get back from vacation.

How about this: try it first.
Then tell me it's impossible.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: thngr on October 15, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
   I'm guessing about this devices working principles that some what vhf band oscillator on one hand reciever at the other but 500w vhf band transponder quite big so do not fit into the plug? diode bank may have fit there.how do tunnel diodes behave? do general diodes have tunnelling effect? I think some of you get the idea. it may be wrong mounted bridge rectifier diodes...(please don't ask me how the electric circuit was.I am imagining about that)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Teunis on November 18, 2012, 11:31:31 PM
This is great stuff!
How does he do that?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on November 19, 2012, 12:32:20 AM
I wish some of these inventors would tell us how they work so we can verify it.
 
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: lancaIV on November 19, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121031&CC=RS&NR=20110026A2&KC=A2

Sincerely
                 CdL
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: TinselKoala on November 19, 2012, 07:39:00 PM
I wish some of these inventors would tell us how they work so we can verify it.

Well, he's got the drill motor, the light bulbs.... what more proof do you need, an electric heater? A fan? Some people are just never satisfied.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: TinselKoala on November 19, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121031&CC=RS&NR=20110026A2&KC=A2 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121031&CC=RS&NR=20110026A2&KC=A2)

Sincerely
                 CdL

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Invention herewith described refers to the safety electric power transmission cable. The insulation (2) should be placed around the voltage conductor (3) and the metal sheath has to be put around the insulation (2) as a grounding conductor (1).

Revolutionary! Why didn't I think of that!
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: stAtrill on November 20, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
Of course, that is back to the 'wire within a wire' idea. If that was the case, why not use just normal coax? There is also a problem with this idea: if you plate the wire solidly over the insulation sheath, you run the risk of delamination of the sheath or insulation or both - the wire would essentially be unbendable or it would fall apart. And whats more, is I am not aware of any process in the world that allows you to adhere metal onto a soft material (like any plastic/rubber insulation). The wire-within-a-wire was perfected with coax, which uses metal foil or mesh as the second layer.


I have a feeling this draws more from antenna theory than from circuit theory. Driven at the right frequency, you have a steel core coil with a secondary sharing the same core. You could tune that to be exceptionally efficient (and even with no tuning you should still show a voltage on your secondary). Looks like JLN did an experiment on this a while ago:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megjln01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megjln01.htm)


In his experiment, he did the same thing: two coils sharing a common core. He just happened to also test mounting a permanent magnet to the core as well.


Some food for thought.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: turbogt16v on April 29, 2013, 10:37:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PxIaJ3iKPIw#!

http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/DLL_03.jpg  could any Russian friends translate this ,please

from page http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 14, 2013, 09:40:20 AM
Can Anyone translate the patent of milutin miletic? It would be great and a solved problem for such a waste of time searching the solution to single wire problem.Dont try to translate with OCR. I already tried all the possibilities and find no acceptable translation.Thanks
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 23, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
if you can translate from serbian to english maybe you are interesed in translate the patent of this invention. I have tried with an student who don t know roumainian nor english nor technical words.... so it was a mess.... no use of OCR cause the qulity of photo scan is very poor.
I have tried technicaly to put in practice and no chance... some info eludes me.... and no result yet


We thank you all for this

I have tried to send it directly to iota Yodi who knos serbian but as i am new here i ve posted it here ....so sorry,
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 25, 2013, 01:11:49 AM
I feel from the number of donwloads it s getting hot... so .... have anyone of you tried to replicate the invention? I have tried..
I have connected the phase to a center of a coaxial cable used in television.... and the other cover of the protection I have conected with ground and zero..... nothing... any suggestions? I fell the one cable must be connected to the zero and ground
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 25, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
Can somebody PLEASE TRANSLATE his patent into English.


The DOWNLOADABLE PDF Patent is underneath the pictures BELOW.


Thank you.


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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 25, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
I am gland someone else is interesed in.... i have contacted 2 who can translate but nothing yet... don t waste Fat bird your time with OCR . I already did and no acceptable result ....Find a serb collegue who is interested in and let him translate... good luck
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 25, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
I don t understand this serb grandpa Milutin ....if he is negotiation to commercialize the invention very well... but if he is letting a neibour to deal with the invention i doubt he is having anything serious in mind to comerialize the invention..
he expected money he have to act in this way... it s no overunity system which can rise oposition ... it s a genial invention yet i feel very simple .
if he is not acting he have to let his invention for the sake of mankind.
I think every good ideea of invention comes from God from Jesus and we are responsable before HIM for this invention to easy the life of mankind... What he did, till now ,he just showed up like a child - look how beautiful toy I have and you don t have.... 
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 25, 2013, 10:37:27 PM
@ Slotinnn

Please keep trying to find a Translator to convert it to English.  Below is a Close Up photo of his 1 Wire Board.

Here is a Video of him with his invention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwMAxxYcvE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwMAxxYcvE)


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Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: TinselKoala on June 26, 2013, 03:26:55 AM
There must be something wrong with my monitor. Or maybe my glasses. Because I swear I see _three_ wires on that one-wire board.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: TinselKoala on June 26, 2013, 06:26:18 AM
Yeah.... right. It's definitely "time for optimizations". I wonder how much hydro power I'll get when I put a shot of brandy in it.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 26, 2013, 06:50:42 AM
Guys send me what you like to be translated from Serbian - I will do my best.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on June 26, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
dradak1,

Thank you for wanting to help with the translation.
Just download the PDF Patent (see below) and see what you can do with it.

If it is a lot of work, maybe you can post here 1 or 2 pages each day?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 28, 2013, 09:01:36 PM
Since translation of whole patent will take long time (my time is limited) - I suggest that we go with different approach. I will explain in short what is patent about than if you have specific questions point to the page and/or paragraph and I will translate.
Patent is for secure power cable - main idea can be compared to coaxial cable. cover is metal pipe used as conductor for joined ground and zero-phase (also used as protection for hot wires against moisture, physical contacts, damage, short circuit ...) and inside is insulated hot wire/s (can be 1 or 3).
I hope that's a good start.   
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2013, 12:33:46 AM
The biggest technical 'glitch' is that there is no such thing as one-wire energy transfer.  Same thing for Peter Lindemann's 1988 clip where he thinks he is demonstrating one-wire energy transfer.  There is AC displacement current traveling through the air that is completing the circuit and acting as the invisible second wire.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 29, 2013, 01:23:50 AM
The biggest technical 'glitch' is that there is no such thing as one-wire energy transfer.  Same thing for Peter Lindemann's 1988 clip where he thinks he is demonstrating one-wire energy transfer.  There is AC displacement current traveling through the air that is completing the circuit and acting as the invisible second wire.

As much as I read into the patent he is not claiming one wire transfer - he claim safer A/C transfer - reducing fatalities, power outages and so on due short circuit.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2013, 01:37:53 AM
It looks like the pdf consists of compressed images and not text.  So all you need to do is wash the pdf through a Cyrillic OCR software package and then take the Cyrillic extended-ASCII text and then wash that through a Serbian to English translator.

That doesn't sound too hard for any self-respecting nerd.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 29, 2013, 02:03:26 AM
It looks like the pdf consists of compressed images and not text.  So all you need to do is wash the pdf through a Cyrillic OCR software package and then take the Cyrillic extended-ASCII text and then wash that through a Serbian to English translator.

That doesn't sound too hard for any self-respecting nerd.

Hi Mile - like every patent there is lot of formal stuff what most of us do not care - we just look for idea behind it and I guess that's the reason why they ask for translation. And by the way translators do not work that well - sometimes you loosing the point of the text - as you know the more that one language you know that for sure that translation can not be done 1:1 - that is why translator not working on text level just words. :( But that you don't think that I disagree with you - no you can do translate and than try to figure out meaning.  ;)
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 29, 2013, 08:24:09 AM
in page n2 he is talking about putting earth and null wire together, than put all in metal tube. that way transfer of electricity is safer. I`ll do my homework latter tonight, since than...

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 29, 2013, 09:46:41 PM
It looks like the pdf consists of compressed images and not text.  So all you need to do is wash the pdf through a Cyrillic OCR software package and then take the Cyrillic extended-ASCII text and then wash that through a Serbian to English translator.

That doesn't sound too hard for any self-respecting nerd.




It s useless... i have tried with the best ocr in the market.... the quality of scans doesn t allow you to transform in good condition...
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 29, 2013, 10:05:44 PM
I have tried this way and doesn t works at all... any configuration any ideea? I have used and coax of TV interior phase the exterior connected to the zero and ground... no transfer of energy .... between the two wires... Seems that the exterior must be the one wire... because it has the zero voltage and allows to touch it... Apart of this I suggest that in the bulb as in the motor put to work you have to connect two wires to the one wire ( the named safety wire).... The system uses the same wire for the go and return energy... and this one wire is connected on the other side with the zero and the ground.....the only probblem is [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]the transfer[/color] of the energy between the phase and the exterior wire.... any other ideeas?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 29, 2013, 10:51:14 PM
I have tried this way and doesn t works at all... any configuration any ideea? I have used and coax of TV interior phase the exterior connected to the zero and ground... no transfer of energy .... between the two wires... Seems that the exterior must be the one wire... because it has the zero voltage and allows to touch it... Apart of this I suggest that in the bulb as in the motor put to work you have to connect two wires to the one wire ( the named safety wire).... The system uses the same wire for the go and return energy... and this one wire is connected on the other side with the zero and the ground.....the only probblem is [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]the transfer[/color] of the energy between the phase and the exterior wire.... any other ideeas?

Sorry for misunderstanding - I ment that idea (just concept) is similar as coaxial cable.  :(
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on June 30, 2013, 12:51:14 AM
Sorry for misunderstanding - I ment that idea (just concept) is similar as coaxial cable.  :(


no problem dradak I ve seen it the same way because the patent say so ... but no result.... any other ideeas? It would be shame for me if with a petent we cannot do it
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 30, 2013, 02:38:15 AM
I manage to write it in latin - serbian langue.It will take another day or two to translate it in eng.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 30, 2013, 03:02:05 AM
I manage to write it in latin - serbian langue.It will take another day or two to translate it in eng.

As per MileHigh suggestion - find attached translation - and I briefly checked looks much better that translation from English to Serbian. If you still have questions - fill free to ask.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: dradak1 on June 30, 2013, 03:04:59 AM
As per MileHigh suggestion - find attached translation - and I briefly checked looks much better that translation from English to Serbian. If you still have questions - fill free to ask.

Sorry - for those of you who still using pathetic MS Office - here is the .PDF file.  ;D
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: tadejstenta on June 30, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
Maybe it will make more sense to someone, than just with automatic translator.
For now first two pages.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on July 06, 2013, 11:43:54 PM
dead end.... so sad... with the patent in hand...  :-[
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 07, 2013, 06:46:48 AM
That was a very understandable translation.  Thank you for doing this.  Do we have any of the patent photos or drawings available?

Bill
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: gyulasun on July 07, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
Hi Bill,

The patent pdf file on this device is attached to this post here and it includes the Figures (drawings) too:
http://www.overunity.com/11029/safe-one-wire-energy-transfer-by-serbian-inventor-milutin-miletic/msg363158/#msg363158 (http://www.overunity.com/11029/safe-one-wire-energy-transfer-by-serbian-inventor-milutin-miletic/msg363158/#msg363158)

Gyula
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on July 07, 2013, 03:18:38 PM
That was a very understandable translation.  Thank you for doing this.  Do we have any of the patent photos or drawings available?

Bill


have you manage to doplicate the invention? I didn t
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on July 27, 2013, 11:16:49 PM
Does anyone succed in a replica?
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: blueplanet on December 13, 2013, 03:11:56 PM
Does anyone succed in a replica?

I successfully replicated Tesla's single-wire electricity transmission some years ago without any AV plug. The idea was exactly as what Tesla proposed. I managed to use the transmitted electricity to drive a motor, not just a fluorescent tube.  Perhaps, if we cannot replicated this inventor's experiment, we could simply try out Tesla's idea. I am sure it will work.

(PS. Yes, I used high voltage and a few kilohertz frequency. )
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: blueplanet on December 13, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
The biggest technical 'glitch' is that there is no such thing as one-wire energy transfer.  Same thing for Peter Lindemann's 1988 clip where he thinks he is demonstrating one-wire energy transfer.  There is AC displacement current traveling through the air that is completing the circuit and acting as the invisible second wire.

Whether it is displacement current or not, Avramenko's invention is sufficient to prove that displacement current can do work.

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on December 29, 2013, 04:09:26 PM
Whether it is displacement current or not, Avramenko's invention is sufficient to prove that displacement current can do work.


Hello blueplanet
thanks for posting your results. I do believe in single wire transmission with high voltage and some khz frecv. because as this high voltage and high frecv the air becomes like a ground .... electron depletion occouring. something at 50 hz has anyone made something?

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 30, 2013, 09:49:58 PM
I successfully replicated Tesla's single-wire electricity transmission some years ago without any AV plug. The idea was exactly as what Tesla proposed. I managed to use the transmitted electricity to drive a motor, not just a fluorescent tube.  Perhaps, if we cannot replicated this inventor's experiment, we could simply try out Tesla's idea. I am sure it will work.

(PS. Yes, I used high voltage and a few kilohertz frequency. )
       For the hell of it, here's a representative---IMHO---of a successful single wire power transmission.   There are prpbably other versions of this kind of setup in the 'Web:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep012.htm
       (I would have liked to have seen a lot longer wire, say, 30' or more.)

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: FatBird on December 31, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
BUT he was lighting up an INCANDESCENT Bulb and Running a DRILL MOTOR
with 1 wire, from a device that looks like a YARDSTICK.


NO CIRCUITRY that is apparent in his videos.
                                                                                                              .
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 31, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
BUT he was lighting up an INCANDESCENT Bulb and Running a DRILL MOTOR
with 1 wire, from a device that looks like a YARDSTICK.


NO CIRCUITRY that is apparent in his videos.
                                                                                                              .
       fatbird hs a point.   The invented contraption does actually look like and ordinary yardstick in appearance.   Uh, how does he do it?   Has anyone here at all ever seen a schematic for this thing?

WHOA, wait.
That thing looks like a non-magnetic rod wrapped in wire with a full-wave bridge at the output and it appears to be plugged into a wall power mains outlet, possibly with hot and neutral or hot and ground connected at the input.

Unfortunately, I don't have an article for this to show you right off, but this is mentioned on the 'Web, for sure.   I've seen what I'm talking about.   This is mostly mutual induction, AFAIK.

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: slotinnn on January 23, 2014, 08:58:13 AM
hey guys
here is the answer :)) we re chasing gosts


the man never states single wire trasnfer at 50hz .... in fact his invention is called safe wire  and relatates to safety transfer electricy... this is the fact


apart of that he clearly says it makes 2 changes... changes the shape of the zero  making it a tube and ground it also...


the transfer is made from the inner wire 3 throught the load  to the external wire 1 which needs no external protection because it is grounded.


the tricky thing that fool all of us is that the external wire 3 has no plastic protection and seems a single wire... instead it has the phase wire in the middle of it...as the invention clearly states :))
i don t see this an invention which may comapre this guy to tesla....


and now we all can see how a tricky youtube title can fool all of us ....

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: forest on January 23, 2014, 10:49:30 AM
hey guys
here is the answer :) ) we re chasing gosts


the man never states single wire trasnfer at 50hz .... in fact his invention is called safe wire  and relatates to safety transfer electricy... this is the fact


apart of that he clearly says it makes 2 changes... changes the shape of the zero  making it a tube and ground it also...


the transfer is made from the inner wire 3 throught the load  to the external wire 1 which needs no external protection because it is grounded.


the tricky thing that fool all of us is that the external wire 3 has no plastic protection and seems a single wire... instead it has the phase wire in the middle of it...as the invention clearly states :) )
i don t see this an invention which may comapre this guy to tesla....


and now we all can see how a tricky youtube title can fool all of us ....




Yes, I knew it was kind of coaxial cable used, but what was misleading is the statement of inventor that it can power loads more efficiently, which is not truth of course. HOWEVER, there is still possibility that the wire is only one part of invention or at least I would go further and try to convert AC into PURE one wire HF with coaxial wire passing it and the shield around as a return path grounded. THAT would be MUCH MUCH SAFER
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on January 29, 2014, 01:46:47 AM
       fatbird hs a point.   The invented contraption does actually look like and ordinary yardstick in appearance.   Uh, how does he do it?   Has anyone here at all ever seen a schematic for this thing?
       Here, I found this:
http://www.overunity.com/12340/joule-lamp/dlattach/attach/99004/image//
       Time's short on this library computer.   I don't have the time to analysis this at my leisure, but this is what I thouhgt appeared to coincide with the 'safe one wire' power transfer application/concept.

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ALTECHLAB on June 01, 2014, 01:55:54 AM
We have some non finished OU models and we do re-engineering for existing...more info about on: www.altechlaboratory.com
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: ALTECHLAB on June 15, 2014, 08:56:59 PM
We have to understand; we need a "reactor" for produce an energy for end user/circuit recuperation..in case we don't have it, rest of all is not effective..
Metals transmutation, low level nuclear reaction, etc.  ..can make an energy source for exact model but just change a parameters, NO...never!
www.altechlaboratory.com
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: rapbbit on November 16, 2014, 04:16:52 AM
this is my version,but no OU

Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: rapbbit on November 16, 2014, 04:26:54 AM
the unconnected extended wire of the bulb can be remove,but need further adjustment.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 07:13:45 PM
Show me a device with electrical inputs and outputs that truly makes an output energy at least 1.3 times the input energy, and I can show you how to self-loop it so that it runs itself with no outside source of energy. A COP of 1.3 is all that is _truly_ required. I guarantee that I can do this. All you need to do is to send me such a unit, or present clear enough plans that I can reproduce the claimed COP in my own lab.  And of course since "altechlab" is a commercial operation, you will pay me my usual consulting fee for the service.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on November 16, 2014, 10:02:41 PM
"...And of course since "altechlab" is a commercial operation, you will pay me my usual consulting fee for the service."
       Uh, I'd be surprised if you had any takers on this offer.
Why?
       You're asking for money up front to do the work, and then, since 'altechlab' is a/your commercial operation, they're having people at large in the public send them original work, at cost to the customer, but also the customer is unintentionally tipping off the 'potential' MIB's of what they're working on or how far they are to coming up with a possible breakthrough---and then---"one or more calls can be made".

--Lee
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: DROBNJAK on February 06, 2015, 06:05:17 PM
I've just read the patent. Inventor Milutin Miletic describes a coaxial cable. In the core of cable there is one conductor. That core conductor is surrounded by insulation. The insulation is surrounded by a second outer metallic shield. So, starting from the center and going outwards: conductor > insulation > conductor. The outer conductor is grounded.

In short, it is a coaxial cable, with metal in the core and the grounded conductor on the outside.

As far as I can see, there are no OU claims.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: D.R.Jackson on February 12, 2018, 04:17:10 AM
The question is,
if he is doing the same as the Avramenko plug ?

See:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm)

There you can see Avramenko touch also the line
without getting shocked...
But this is normal, when he uses a few Mhz radio frequency,
so the waves just go on the surface of the skin, so not flowing through your body
and will not shock you.

I pretty much think you have it, you can do this with RF or rather radio waves and it was something that Tesla did, however it is also lossy in terms of power, you have power being radiated off the wire into space which is wasted there, and you have power terminating into the resistance and inductance of the light bulb.  Most anyone with some radio equipment can do this.  So I am not expecting allot here.  Just being honest.  I do this with my radio antennas here at home, and you can buy CB radio antennas with LEDs on the end of them that light up.  So I would have to see the power going into the system to light the bulb and have a means to measure the heat and illumination or the power across the bulb before I could say I think it is significant.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: D.R.Jackson on February 12, 2018, 04:20:36 AM
I've just read the patent. Inventor Milutin Miletic describes a coaxial cable. In the core of cable there is one conductor. That core conductor is surrounded by insulation. The insulation is surrounded by a second outer metallic shield. So, starting from the center and going outwards: conductor > insulation > conductor. The outer conductor is grounded.

In short, it is a coaxial cable, with metal in the core and the grounded conductor on the outside.

As far as I can see, there are no OU claims.

So what you have described is exactly what I am thinking this whole set up is merely an antenna with a load on the end of it. In which case it would not have anything to do with over unity energy in even the remotest of concepts.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: blueplanet on February 12, 2018, 09:32:35 AM
       For the hell of it, here's a representative---IMHO---of a successful single wire power transmission.   There are prpbably other versions of this kind of setup in the 'Web:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep012.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep012.htm)
       (I would have liked to have seen a lot longer wire, say, 30' or more.)

--Lee


I have missed your post. Sorry.


The length is not a huge issue because the energy is transferred in "standing" surface waves. The intrinsic attenuation is not high but we need to know the formula for the characteristic impedance in order to optimize the efficiency.


At room temperature, one-wire power transfer is not about overunity. Instead, the original idea of one-wire power transfer is more about wireless power transfer than overunity. Surface waves exist on almost all interfaces separating two different materials.  Power transmission through an interface is far more efficient than through free space.


Having said that, I would not rule out the possibility of "overunity". 





Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: blueplanet on February 12, 2018, 10:04:29 AM

Hello blueplanet
thanks for posting your results. I do believe in single wire transmission with high voltage and some khz frecv. because as this high voltage and high frecv the air becomes like a ground .... electron depletion occouring. something at 50 hz has anyone made something?


One wire power transfer can happen at low voltage as well.
The reason why high voltage is needed is not because there exists any grounding effects in air.
Instead, it is because the characteristic impedance of the media is too high.


Now, lets talk about the grounding. In general, the air cannot be a ground. In single wire power transfer, or the like, we can have separate grounds having no physical connection to the ground connection of the source, instead of having only one ground.
Title: Re: Safe One Wire energy transfer by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
Post by: blueplanet on February 12, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
....There is AC displacement current traveling through the air that is completing the circuit and acting as the invisible second wire.


The air will never complete the circuit as what you believe.