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Title: High voltage High Frequency
Post by: raburgeson on June 04, 2006, 12:05:59 PM
I was right limit current to .005 amps, should run on .002, have found info for sure on Stans car. Someone else was right 40,000 volts, but 1 milliamp. Found this in a preconference piece. Try these, on one of them,
http://www.automorrow.com/articles/meyers.html
http://www.automorrow.com/articles/meyers2.html
http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

We don't know the frequency, I'm looking to the Chineese for a desent price Krytron tube, they are expensive but, can switch high voltages without needing cleanup. They are easy to change frequency and once the frequency is found the curcuit can be redesigned another way that's cheaper and more reliable. The discription is high voltage high frequency, that wouldn't be 42.8khertz or lower. It has to be much higher. When the water splits from oscillation it's going to produce a reactance, it should show a resistance and help keep the energy of the curcuit in a resonant state (like a tank curcuit) , it keeps the energy requirements down and makes this all feasable. An arc stop the oscillation and could ignite the hydrogen, we have to find the Frequency.



I finally hit break even from losses from the last experiment and since the science buffs we have are afraid to continue because of the NSA I have an itch to do something. So looking at Meyers, Keely, and others.
You guys don't play with high voltage much do you? I propose the source power has to be the best combo of ease of construction, reliability, and small size. I also consider many would like to incorperate this to automotive source power. I think I'll try this first as it's straight forward brute force approach. Discreate build and oscillator and an amp. Then voltage multiply it to the desired voltage and charge a cap. Use a cyclotron tube for switching to produce the required square waves. It's a Frequency adjustable item.
  As I remember once in the past, I calulated the wattage for Meyers curcuit, some think current is higher than I remember but I don't think so. So, I think an air core isolation transformer would be a good, simple, cheap current limiting device.   Just a proposal.
I wish to find the total disassociation of water. I hear it produces uncontrolable power for in the lab but, have plans for making it usable.
Update:

Works but Cyclotrons are not cheap I'm going to have to do this another way. (Means I got high voltage sqaure waves) I haven't even thought of building the resonant cavity yet. This has to be so everybody can do it.

Report one good cheap item that works, Solid core ignition wire from speed shops with race car goodies work well for high voltage wire, have had good luck with it. Must be careful about magnetic interference and the nieghbors though. Almost had a angry mob at the door.









Title: Re: High voltage High Frequency
Post by: PULSED)ReverseH/Ofuelcell on June 28, 2007, 09:31:17 AM
Anyone who is entrusted and serious about replicating or helping us replicate the water fuel cell please go to "http://www.waterfuelcell.org/Resources.html" and join the forum!

All help is wanted!

Thanks,

Pulsed,
Title: Re: High voltage High Frequency
Post by: kentoot on June 28, 2007, 06:47:03 PM
Let's not forget that the HV pulse itself contains very high frequency components. If you do a Fourier transform of a nice sharp HV pulse you will find that that pulse is actually made up of high frequency waves. You might also notice that Stanley Meyer is using maybe around 10KHz pulse frequency? not a very high frequency I might add. Is 10KHz the natural resonant frequency of H2O for a certain WFC configuration?? well, let's test that, shall we ? Put a pure 10KHz sinewave (NOT squarewave) into the WFC circuitry or directly across the WFC electrodes, do you see anything different ? Any current reduction ? My bet is you'll only see normal electrolysis, nothing more.

If you're looking for high frequency, look within the pulse itself, not the pulse frequency. The sharper the pulse, the higher the frequency waves it contain. It seems everybody is looking for that 'elusive' H2O resonant frequency, yet only looking at the pulse frequency, without looking at the pulse itself. A single nice clean sharp HV pulse  contain high frequency waves with frequencies much much higher than 10Khz, we're talking MHz range.

A very sharp HV pulse IS high frequency.