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Author Topic: Romero's experiments and OU principles  (Read 102651 times)

Offline romerouk

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #75 on: June 15, 2011, 12:55:22 AM »
sadly i did not find any small holeless rod types,  anyway, I just saw a picture from Romerouk which had coils and iron powder inside, can you, Romerouk, confirm that your effect worked with iron powder, will you?
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It works with almost any core type, depends on the magnets orientation.The best effect after mumetal I had with irondust cores. Ferrite is good too but only in NS systems.
I bought them from a UK company specialised in HIFI systems and speakers. They don't sell them separately but I hade some orders with other stuff before and they made me a favor.You can buy the inductors they sell with wire on them and redo them yourself according to your needs.Cost is about £9 each inductor plus the wire you will need for each coil.... quite expensive.These are 19 mm diam/38 mm long

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2011, 01:06:18 AM »
It works with almost any core type, depends on the magnets orientation.The best effect after mumetal I had with irondust cores. Ferrite is good too but only in NS systems.
I bought them from a UK company specialised in HIFI systems and speakers. They don't sell them separately but I hade some orders with other stuff before and they made me a favor.You can buy the inductors they sell with wire on them and redo them yourself according to your needs.Cost is about £9 each inductor plus the wire you will need for each coil.... quite expensive.These are 19 mm diam/38 mm long

simply, thank you

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2011, 01:46:38 AM »
Anyone know if Romero used some special wind on his coils other than the wire used?
I didn't see any capacitors directly on his coils but wasn't something said about this also?

He said i answered the question. Bifi capacitance. But he just wrote that you can add caps to you existing coils instead for the same effect. Thats why we didnt see the caps. the capacitance was in the bifi coil windings. ;]

Hmm I wonder how many of the oscillations make it to the cap. I would believe the first wave would be all that would make it, then the rest diminishing below cap voltage level.
But, maybe being in a resonant state from the git go, the first wave is beef. Saying if the freq of the rotor is in sync with getting the resonant oscillation started effectively, then that first wave can be very strong. The rest is just ringa ding ding. ;] 

Me thinks. ;]

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #78 on: June 15, 2011, 03:48:41 AM »
Peter made a discovery and I made a leap of thought over at the OUR forum.

start with this link and scroll down (or up)   

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=862.msg14795#msg14795




ATTENTION !!!     ATTENTION !!!


This RomeroUK  dynamo COULD BE a MAGNETIC STORAGE FLYWHEEL!


RomeroUK,   can you confirm these speculations?   I'm not accusing you at all, I think you made a most important TECHNOLOGICAL DISCOVERY even if it might not be OVER UNITY !
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #79 on: June 15, 2011, 05:19:33 AM »
Romero,
can you explain the use of the stepped coils similar to Mullers in the last pic you showed.  I am only seeing single strand, so these coils are nothing special minus the step are they?  They have no coil wound on top coming halfway down for shorting, do they?

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2011, 05:36:03 AM »
@Emdevices.
I read your other thread.  MAgnetic storage spinning vortex....so like a water vortex the flywhell is carried by more than just its mass.  MAybe ED stumbled on the same effect like tortion fields.  Which are pretty much out of my league.  But what isnt out is my power of observation.  (most of the time)  LEt me ask this of you, and it may be the most unscientific, non mathematically back theory anyone has ever heard.  Since Electricity is kinda like a gas or fluid I often think of water.  I was running a bath for my child the other night.  And as the water was about one inch deep I quickly ran my hand through the small pool of water that was forming testing out the heat.  It made me think of this device.  I did it again and watched the wake my hand created and there was a neat little wave pattern that look very similar to woopys magnetic viewer vid.  (where is he by the way?  prob with the couple of other guys that have self runners)  This got me to thinking Romero has to build up speed at first.  This is similar to a boat gaining speed.  leaving a wake behind that the water quickly fills in.  stop the boat and water can come rushing in from the Aft of the vessel. SO to make a long story short is it possible the magnet/coil spacing is accidentally designed (luck Romero called it) that once up to speed the magnets are making wakes in the electromagnetic field around the device and riding the wake kind of like migrating birds follow the one in front of it?  thus there is a disturbance in the waveform that the magnet sneaks in at?  Add to this crazy thought a lot of smart people with mathematics and some fantastic coil shorting and BAM.  magic?

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« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2011, 06:04:57 AM »
@Emdevices.
I read your other thread.  MAgnetic storage spinning vortex....so like a water vortex the flywhell is carried by more than just its mass.  MAybe ED stumbled on the same effect like tortion fields.  Which are pretty much out of my league.  But what isnt out is my power of observation.  (most of the time)  LEt me ask this of you, and it may be the most unscientific, non mathematically back theory anyone has ever heard.  Since Electricity is kinda like a gas or fluid I often think of water.  I was running a bath for my child the other night.  And as the water was about one inch deep I quickly ran my hand through the small pool of water that was forming testing out the heat.  It made me think of this device.  I did it again and watched the wake my hand created and there was a neat little wave pattern that look very similar to woopys magnetic viewer vid.  (where is he by the way?  prob with the couple of other guys that have self runners)  This got me to thinking Romero has to build up speed at first.  This is similar to a boat gaining speed.  leaving a wake behind that the water quickly fills in.  stop the boat and water can come rushing in from the Aft of the vessel. SO to make a long story short is it possible the magnet/coil spacing is accidentally designed (luck Romero called it) that once up to speed the magnets are making wakes in the electromagnetic field around the device and riding the wake kind of like migrating birds follow the one in front of it?  thus there is a disturbance in the waveform that the magnet sneaks in at?  Add to this crazy thought a lot of smart people with mathematics and some fantastic coil shorting and BAM.  magic?

There is nothing strange about requiring 12 watts to run these motors. Some people really struggle to get that low!   You say it must be going somewhere but friction, heat due to bad circuit timing and losses plus plenty  of wobbles!! yes that will do it.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2011, 08:30:55 AM »
Yes, I can design a motor that will waste 12 watts unloaded Mechanically, with a hidden resistor, but a DC motor properly designed draws very little current and power at 2000 rpm when not loaded, not 12 watts.

Bolt,

You see, one of the motor coil with the longer ON time powers the rotor clockwise, and the other with the shorter ON time feeds power into the BEMF which distorts the magnetic fields of the rotor, and when the hall turns OFF, a snapping action or magnetic wave is launched at a fast velocity, that of the rotor plus something else, and I'm starting to believe that this device might be OU after all, a type of magnetic vortex power amplifier.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2011, 09:33:48 AM »
I am not that good to explain things like many of you here are. I can tell you that when I powered on the device with low power like 6 volts I could not get the effect but starting with 9-12 volts will bring the effect in the system then once started I can go down to 6 volts.More than 12 will kill the effect too.The best was arround 9-10 volts
Below 6 volts will strugle (listen to the  video sound) making strange noises and eventualy will stop.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2011, 10:03:59 AM »
@EM,
Did you consider there is significant power buffering by the 47000uF capacitors?
At 12V they contain 3.4 W/s of buffered energy each.
Plus, during rotation, the coils and cores store energy too, probably in the same order of magnitude.
Just a thought.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 02:21:16 PM by teslaalset »

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« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2011, 10:17:59 AM »
I am not that good to explain things like many of you here are. I can tell you that when I powered on the device with low power like 6 volts I could not get the effect but starting with 9-12 volts will bring the effect in the system then once started I can go down to 6 volts.More than 12 will kill the effect too.The best was arround 9-10 volts
Below 6 volts will strugle (listen to the  video sound) making strange noises and eventualy will stop.

Probably the optimum power source voltage depends on the induced voltage levels (maximum and minimum) in the generator coils.
Those coils are 'shorted' when the induced voltage surpasses the (buffer capacitor + 2 diode forward) voltage.
This determines the amount of BEMF delay and it looks like this is quite critical.
(confirmed by simulations)
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 10:40:25 AM by teslaalset »

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #86 on: June 15, 2011, 12:47:53 PM »
Probably the optimum power source voltage depends on the induced voltage levels (maximum and minimum) in the generator coils.
Those coils are 'shorted' when the induced voltage surpasses the (buffer capacitor + 2 diode forward) voltage.
This determines the amount of BEMF delay and it looks like this is quite critical.
(confirmed by simulations)

There is a hysteresis latching point where the coils break OU and starting generating a higher wattage then being consumed by the system. You can hear when it goes OU and is often quite noisy more of a growl.  As you lower the drive voltage again it tries to hold on to the OU latching condition for perhaps 500 rpm lower then suddenly it all collapses. This is VERY typical of OU reactive systems.
Listen again to Thrapps generator starting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3A4hQH8Ao&feature=related

you can hear exactly when this takes place and it also has an upper limit where you can generate too much power if the RPM gets too fast. In very high power systems you can get like a huge sonic BANG if you allow the load to suddenly collapse the ZPE flow without disconnecting prior to shutting down the system.

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« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2011, 01:42:11 PM »
There is a hysteresis latching point where the coils break OU and starting generating a higher wattage then being consumed by the system. You can hear when it goes OU and is often quite noisy more of a growl.  As you lower the drive voltage again it tries to hold on to the OU latching condition for perhaps 500 rpm lower then suddenly it all collapses. This is VERY typical of OU reactive systems.
Listen again to Thrapps generator starting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3A4hQH8Ao&feature=related

you can hear exactly when this takes place and it also has an upper limit where you can generate too much power if the RPM gets too fast. In very high power systems you can get like a huge sonic BANG if you allow the load to suddenly collapse the ZPE flow without disconnecting prior to shutting down the system.

The details of this Trapps device is completely unknown, at least to me, so any comparison doesn't make sense in my view.

You're a record holding optimist Bolt, you seem to be convinced all these devices work as advertised.
You probably follow www.peswiki.com as well.
Notice how much optimistic stories were published the last 10 years and how many entered the market successful.
Zero up till now.
I am not so convinced and I would rather keep any comparison out here and stay with both feet on the ground.
I am hopefull but not convinced due to a lack of facts and figures, that's where we differ.

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« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2011, 04:23:24 PM »
@RomeroUK,

Did you apply below winding for the looped demo version?
In the figure below (side view of a coil) the blue and red wires are both 7 strand wires.
Or did you apply only a red wire version without the blue winding?

I ask this, because this would make a big difference in capacity energy stored in the coils.
The difference in capacity energy storage is a factor of around 22500, (N^2)/2 where N in this case is 300 as you indicated a few weeks ago.
This would also explain the difference between the few tens of pF of my own estimation earlier and the much higher capacity values motivated by others.
Capacity difference between both types of winding methods is a factor of around 150, N/2.

Sorry if you got hypnotized ;)
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 08:32:25 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2011, 05:21:48 PM »
hi Romero

i notice that 2 of the 3 rotors we've seen from your builds  (1 in the video, 1 as a photo) have been black, and a third one has been opaque plastic

are there more things we need to know about the 'internals' of your rotors which will help us?

eg. have you increased the inertia of the rotors by adding additional weight to them?

or have you assembled your rotor magnets from two magnets in opposition, perhaps, so that although, as you mentioned, the rotor magnets are 'South Up', they could ALSO be 'South down'?

when commenting on the 'virtual pole' between each rotor magnet you mentioned there being some more poles

if each rotor mag position contained two mags in opposition then there would be an extra  8 poles between 2 adjacent 'columns' of 2 rotor mags

S          (n)           S
 
N          (s)           N

  (s)  (n)   (n)  (s)

N          (s)           N

S          (n)           S

is this what you meant by more 'virtual poles'?

thanks
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