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Offline hyiq

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2011, 12:50:28 PM »

Hi RomeroUK,

I know youre swamped with questions. I am sorry, I have another.

In your Muller Motor Replication, do the Rotor Permanent Magnets (15mm in length) Reverse Saturate the Ferrite Cores in the Coils, forcing the flux from the Backing Permentent Magnets (5-10mm) out of the core, then once the Rotor Permenent Magnet has passed allowing the Backing Permanent Magnet's Flux to collapse back in to the core?

Is this why you need washers glued to the Stator?

Could this be why the speed of the Rotor is important? Maybe its also why there is so much adjustment to get "this effect"?

Thank You for your time in trying to help us!

All the best

  Chris

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2011, 12:50:28 PM »

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #121 on: June 18, 2011, 12:19:33 AM »

So if this is true, all you pay for on the input, is, to spin the Rotor up. The "Work" is done by an oscillation between the Rotor Permanent Magnet, the Core Material, and the Backing Coil Permanent Magnet.

Ideally a Backing Permanent Magnet on a threaded adjustment would be nice. There must be a relationship, between, the

Rotor Permanent Magnet Strength,
Core Material Saturation and
Backing Permanent Magnet Strength and importantly the
Length of the Coil and Core.

All of the Motor Concepts in the RomeroUK Muller replication are the same as Richard Willis's Motor seen here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqDS8QQ_9Z0

We can list the effect similarity's:

1: No Lenz's Law effects seen on the running system.
2: Rotor and Backing Coil Permanent Magnets used.
3: High Output for the size of the coils used.
4: Load is connected to the Motor once Motor is up to speed. Not before.
5: Big Permanent Magnet, small Permanent Magnets are used, this is in reverse to Richard, Richard had big Permanent Magnets on the Stator, RomeroUK has big Permanent Magnets on the Rotor (I believe to be a better way to do it)
6: Rotor Speed was fairly slow compared to the level of output, in the area of 1400 - 2000 RPM's.
7: a type of Sweet spot is optimal for the best output.

The list goes on.

Well I hope this helps those out there. I am now going to re-build my motor to prove or disprove this information. To me there is to much of a similarity here.

All the best

  Chris

 
 



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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2011, 03:09:13 PM »
Hi,

I don't have a good understanding of electrics, but I am wondering how the RomeroUK Muller generator works
and where it gets its energy surplus from.

My understanding of this document:
 http://ir.library.tohoku.ac.jp/re/bitstream/10097/47751/1/10.1109-20.908927.pdf
is, that the resonant frequency of a ferrite core is corresponding to a certain temperature.

I am wondering what happens, when one puts a ferrite Core (with coil) to its resonant frequency,
and then approaches the core with temperature (hair dryer).
Will the core try to maintain its resonant state (and temperature)?

If this is the case, then the RomeroUK Muller generator will work when the cores have a resonant
frequency/temperature below the ambient temperature/operating temperature of the device.

Does this make sense?
Has this already been tried somewhere/somehow?

Best regards,
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2011, 03:09:13 PM »
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #123 on: June 18, 2011, 06:53:16 PM »
@hyiq
yes, there is a connection with Magnacoaster setup but not all aspects.I tried to do Magnacoaster solidstate and no success using the info from the patent.I changed the wrong diodes orientation, tried many things but nothing.Using that patent info and changed it a bit then we can get good results.Richard has not disclosed all info in the patent, the core shape and the coils are not described and that makes the big difference.
I've got some ideas today and I might be able to make it solidstate, maybe...

Regards,
Romero

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #124 on: June 19, 2011, 06:20:33 AM »
Well we find out soon enough i guess if he really has ironed out all the overheating bugs etc as i just found his back order sheet with delivery schedule. About $400,000 worth of orders here to fill. Orders supposed to be completed over the coming weeks now he has fixed all the problems.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #124 on: June 19, 2011, 06:20:33 AM »
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2011, 07:11:07 AM »
@hyiq
yes, there is a connection with Magnacoaster setup but not all aspects.I tried to do Magnacoaster solidstate and no success using the info from the patent.I changed the wrong diodes orientation, tried many things but nothing.Using that patent info and changed it a bit then we can get good results.Richard has not disclosed all info in the patent, the core shape and the coils are not described and that makes the big difference.
I've got some ideas today and I might be able to make it solidstate, maybe...

Regards,
Romero

Hi RomeroUK,

If you want my opinion, Solidstate in this configuration, will never work. It will only work in the Motor setup Richard had working. At least very convincingly had working. I believe his Prime mover was the Permanent Magnet on the Rotor and this is what he is missing on the solid state stuff.

@ Bolt, making those orders I think will never happen with the concepts Richard is working on.

The only way Richard will make it work is to go backwards, and rebuild his motor.

The reason this will never work is, he had his Rotor Permanent Magnet doing a good percentage of the work for him. Solid state, his input Coil must do nearly all the work.

All the Best

  Chris

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2011, 07:24:10 AM »
Hi RomeroUK,

If you want my opinion, Solidstate in this configuration, will never work. It will only work in the Motor setup Richard had working. At least very convincingly had working. I believe his Prime mover was the Permanent Magnet on the Rotor and this is what he is missing on the solid state stuff.

@ Bolt, making those orders I think will never happen with the concepts Richard is working on.

The only way Richard will make it work is to go backwards, and rebuild his motor.

The reason this will never work is, he had his Rotor Permanent Magnet doing a good percentage of the work for him. Solid state, his input Coil must do nearly all the work.

All the Best

  Chris

I wouldn't say never just difficult. 4  months ago we never had a public looper muller. Solid state systems already exist for a long time and most inventors start off with mechanical devices and the lessons learned allow for progression to solid state.  To  recreate the conditions of passing magnet going to need bucking coils and kicker coils then make sure everything is out of phase on the power collection side.  The MEG is an OU device where the magnet is part of the core flux and using switched flux path solution is one such method but COP usually very low. Magnacaoster i still pretty sure he has such a device and he has now issued a back order list with delivery dates. Lets see if anything close to those dates is shipped in the coming weeks. If not people WILL sue his ass soon and force bankrupt.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2011, 07:58:03 AM »
Hi Bolt,

Fair comment. Thats just my opinion. I know someone that has purchansed a unit from Richard. He has been waiting for a long time, Laywers are now involved. I cant say who but its looking pretty bad for Richard.

My friend is fairly well off so the cost of Laywers is not a problem for him, its the principal.

There have been solidstate around for a long time. My favorite is the Hendershot Generator, and the Sweet VTA. These devices show how its done.

I guess the pressure is on Richard for a result.

All the best

  Chris
« Last Edit: June 19, 2011, 10:32:44 AM by hyiq »

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #128 on: June 20, 2011, 06:26:10 AM »
Romero,
Have you read or is this tech based on any of the info covered in this article?  for any who havent read it....I think you should.

http://sparkbangbuzz.com/mag-amp/mag-amp.htm

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #129 on: June 20, 2011, 04:13:12 PM »
Romero,
Have you read or is this tech based on any of the info covered in this article?  for any who havent read it....I think you should.

http://sparkbangbuzz.com/mag-amp/mag-amp.htm
I have tried that experiment some time ago and yes it looks that we can get some gain there. I have not spent too much time on it and I am not sure about the real figures.

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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #130 on: June 20, 2011, 08:32:23 PM »
   Just be sure to remember that it is frequency dependent. The transformers are being driven at the frequency that they were designed for. Small voltage dc in controls a large ac voltage out. Cant be turned off completely tho. Many possibilities there for sure.
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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #131 on: June 21, 2011, 04:04:09 AM »
[...]
Cant be turned off completely tho.
[...]
thay

in the second page, showing an advanced circuit using toroids, the author stated this:
   "In this circuit, using 35 khz and toroids to control a light, the light is completely off with no input dc bias. A positive dc bias will turn the light on and brighter"


PS  it should be noted that when these systems refer to "gain" they do not mean energy gain

the stated gain is the ratio between control signal power and output power - NOT between continuous Input Power and continuous Output Power!

HTH
np


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Re: Romero's experiments and OU principles
« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2011, 02:35:21 AM »
Quote from: EMdevices

@ All,

A DC motor model is appended in the figures below for reference as I discuss a few aspects of this dynamo.  (this was taken from here:   [url
http://www.ece.unh.edu/courses/ece618/pdf/dc_motor.pdf[/url] , page 5)

3)  Notice that the models include the inductance and the resistance of the windings.   In this motor the inductance plays an important role, since the time constant (L/R) is very large compared to the duration of the on time, which means this motor is efficient and very little losses go into I^2 R losses in the windings.  So, as the coil is drived with  -Va polarity, current begins to increase and build up with a rate close to (Va + EMF)/L = di/dt,  and this stores energy in the inductance and ultimatley BACK INTO MAGNETIC FIELDS THAT INTERACT WITH THOSE OF THE ROTOR IN MOTION.   


EM
Hi EM
Just want to know if the addition of magnets also plays an important role in the A DC motor model ?? ??? ??? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XifhWt3tolg
DC Magverter

cheers

totoalas

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« Reply #133 on: July 04, 2011, 01:31:14 AM »
Hi Null:
    Sorry, that one slipped by me till now. I will have to check it out. Just wondering if there is any 'leakage' that gets by. Have to set up one and see what goes. Would love to run a motor with no transistors to kill but it needs to be able to shut off totally for sure. My bucket of burn offerings has been getting a lot of attention lately. Ten mosfets at a time when they go.
   Think it would be rather hard to kill a torrid  ;D

thay


in the second page, showing an advanced circuit using toroids, the author stated this:
   "In this circuit, using 35 khz and toroids to control a light, the light is completely off with no input dc bias. A positive dc bias will turn the light on and brighter"


PS  it should be noted that when these systems refer to "gain" they do not mean energy gain

the stated gain is the ratio between control signal power and output power - NOT between continuous Input Power and continuous Output Power!

HTH
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

 

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