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Title: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gammarayburst on June 08, 2011, 05:22:32 AM
See attached 3 drawings,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Start with bottom drawing and move up, I up loaded them in reverse sequence
Post by: gammarayburst on June 08, 2011, 05:37:21 AM
Sorry
Thanks, Ray
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gauschor on June 08, 2011, 10:46:18 AM
What do you mean with it "could" work. That basically means, it doesn't. If this is from a so called "Research Group" they must have tested and investigated their own build already. And now what?
Title: It works! This is amazing!
Post by: gammarayburst on June 08, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
I just tested this using washers as the disks and it works exactly as he says.
The interface or where they touch between the two disk pairs needs to be the same width as a magnet.
The video he has on youtube explains why it does not take any work to move the magnets.
This is amazing!
Ray
Video link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqJhm_8LpA
Title: How the magnets are moved from one disk pair to the other
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 06:04:33 AM
See attached,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Special note from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 06:18:02 PM
"The transfer bridge is saturated by the flux field of any one magnet."
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Very obvious this will work, new layout
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 06:57:20 PM
See attached,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: See this Youtube video of LaFonte Pseudo Solid principle proof of concept for tr
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 07:02:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqJhm_8LpA
Title: Comment from Butch, A fun way to look at it
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
"A fun way to look at it is that it's like one side loses an electron and the other side gains an extra electron."
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Imagine this! Watch video
Post by: gammarayburst on June 09, 2011, 09:51:21 PM
Look at Butch's last drawing and imagine 24, 1 inch diameter 1 inch long, NIB grade 48 magnets doing work on the iron work bars by pulling them in and then when the right side magnets are moved into the " off " position and all flux is removed from the work bars and they fall off. See this video to understand how the magnets can be moved with no work.
Thanks,
Ray
Link to video > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqJhm_8LpA
Note: Butch said "this is a proof of concept or basic operating principle and not a practical machine for doing work, but that is just a matter of engineering. There are probably 100's of ways to apply the principle to practical machines."
Title: Generator version
Post by: gammarayburst on June 10, 2011, 11:16:57 PM
See attached
Title: I can't believe it
Post by: gammarayburst on June 10, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
I can't believe that this thread is not being viewed by thousands. Something that really works and it's so obvious.
One side not only has a decrease in field strength, but the magnets go away all together! On the other side the field is switched off to the stator and with no work to speak of. I just don't get it. No wonder there is no free energy machine out there yet.
Ray
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gauschor on June 11, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
Uh, I can tell you why: because the information in here is fragmented and makes no sense. For example you started this thread with a picture: but the picture for itself does not make sense on its own. A viewer does not even know if the 2 discs are moving or static. Neither do the following pictures makes the viewer much wiser. The overall concept is missing and in how all of this is put together. The video links just show a man pushing 1 magnet between 2 others. This doesn't really help.
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gammarayburst on June 11, 2011, 02:43:47 AM
I told Butch what you said and he said that his drawings and videos were a lot easier to understand than yours are.
Ray
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gauschor on June 11, 2011, 10:13:26 AM
>a lot easier to understand than yours are

I didn't post any drawings or videos. I just said what is unclear, which is a lot. If the device is "obvious and works" as you stated then please prove it with a video. Obviously the creator has a videocam and already is a youtube user. There is no need to talk in riddles or post fragmented pictures by means of "it must work, because we have researched on it". Currently people can only do guesswork, which is too less to jump in enthusiastically. You can't expect people to do this with so many things unclear and so many nonworking devices have been posted over the years. They need something substantial to dive into it.
Title: Message from Butch, "rotary version being drawn, 3D animation made soon"
Post by: gammarayburst on June 12, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
"Working on drawing of rotary version, also when our animator returns from an out of the country trip a 3D animation will be done."
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Sequence of operation, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 12, 2011, 05:54:42 PM
"1.The left section has north poles facing up and the right section has south poles facing up.
2.Both section have twelve magnets each. Each section could have as many as you want to put in them.
3.Both sections now pull the work bars in with tremendous force of twelve magnets in each section.
4.Now the transfer bars moves into position and one magnet at a time is moved from the right section adjacent to a magnet on the left section. When all magnets are moved from the left section to the right section they all are in attraction to each other and flux is diverted from the work bars on the left section and the magnets that have moved from the right section leaves a total absence of flux on the right side work bar.
5. This is done with no work due to the LaFonte Research Group Pseudo Solid Principal. Youtube video has verified this principle.
6. The work bars can now be moved back out due to the absence of the magnetic fields.
7. The right section magnets can now be moved back to their original position on the right section with no work using the Pseudo Solid Principle.
8. The sequence is now ready to repeat.
9. Rotary version being drawn today will have different more simple sequence, but operates on the same basic principal.
10. Any time that the work to accomplish a step in the sequence is less than 5% of the external work done by the work bars movement I just say "no work" is needed.
Butch LaFonte"
Title: Typo corrected, left and right
Post by: gammarayburst on June 12, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
"1.The left section has north poles facing up and the right section has south poles facing up.
2.Both section have twelve magnets each. Each section could have as many as you want to put in them.
3.Both sections now pull the work bars in with tremendous force of twelve magnets in each section.
4.Now the transfer bars moves into position and one magnet at a time is moved from the right section adjacent to a magnet on the left section. When all magnets are moved from the right section to the left section they all are in attraction to each other and flux is diverted from the work bars on the left section and the magnets that have moved from the right section leaves a total absence of flux on the right side work bar.
5. This is done with no work due to the LaFonte Research Group Pseudo Solid Principal. Youtube video has verified this principle.
6. The work bars can now be moved back out due to the absence of the magnetic fields.
7. The right section magnets can now be moved back to their original position on the right section with no work using the Pseudo Solid Principle.
8. The sequence is now ready to repeat.
9. Rotary version being drawn today will have different more simple sequence, but operates on the same basic principal.
10. Any time that the work to accomplish a step in the sequence is less than 5% of the external work done by the work bars movement I just say "no work" is needed.
Butch LaFonte"
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: Low-Q on June 12, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
I must agree that Butch' drawings from "screen hunter" is not very easy to understand. For me it looks like its missing a row of magnets. In the video there is three magnets, but in the drawing there is only two (however, multiplied to 12 pairs) Well, it should be an array of triple magnets - NSN, where S is moving back and forth between the two N poles. I guess I have missed the "pseudo" part. Where is it?

Vidar
Title: Reply to Low-Q
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
Butch said, The third magnet in the video has been eliminated from the design posted here. But the same No work switching effect takes place due to the Pseudo Solid Effect shown in the video. What is it about the video that some people don't get? The middle magnet moves with no work and in the process the end magnets fields are diverted. The great majority of people tell me that it is very clear in the video. Plus if you know how fields behave you can just tell they will divert with out having to see the video. Just buy a few bars and a few magnets and try it out. Most people are not questioning this they are just taking the information and running with it. These sites have many people that never comment, they just wait for someone to throw a big fish in the sea so they can catch it say it is their own idea. This works, try it with hardware. We made so many video's over the years of this effect that we got tired of doing them. The effect is common knowledge now. As far as my drawings go our animator can take a brand new drawing from me and in 30 minutes convert it to a 3D animation no questions asked? I think it's the same old problem here some people just want things to not work much more than they want them to work. It's kind of a past time for some people who can't come up with designs of their own. A way of feeding their ego. But then they could be just plain mean. That is not that uncommon in people.
Butch

Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gauschor on June 13, 2011, 12:38:34 AM
You want to make us believe this works for sure. But why is this topic called it "could" work? Is the Research Group not sure anymore? Are you not sure?

If everything is oh-so-clear and obvious then please show a working selfrunning device, like Romero did.

If LaFonte was making videos for years (your words) they should have a device already. And if NOT, then I must assume this thing just doesn't work.
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 06:26:19 AM
From Butch,
There already is a self running device?? I am so glad to hear that!!! Now I don't have to develop this any further.
When can I buy one? Is it on public display? Can I visit him and see it run? I can't wait! Do the news networks know about it? I'll keep an eye out on tv for it. Now we can all rest, the world is free from oil.
This is such good news!
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gauschor on June 13, 2011, 10:42:07 AM
It has its issues... if he reads the topic in the forum he will find out why. However the answer from Butch and trying to avoid putting a video of his own device online supports my suspicion he has no working unit. It's always the same... Good luck.
Title: Rotary design, different views being drawn, 3D animation in several days
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 01:24:42 PM
From Butch,
When Nicolas returns from vacation we will post a 3D animation.
Thanks,
Butch
Title: Re: Rotary design, different views being drawn, 3D animation in several days
Post by: Airstriker on June 13, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
From Butch,
When Nicolas returns from vacation we will post a 3D animation.
Thanks,
Butch

"From Butch"; "Butch says" etc.  - are you his secretary or what ? Is he so occupied that he cannot make a single post ? We're seeing the same stuff all over again and you guys are always all over again spamming with it. And remember one thing - it comes to glorification only after successful build - I don't see any. No OH, WOW from my side.
And no - 3D animation won't help here ;]
Title: Does anyone know of a true overunity machine for sale?
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Could someone give me information on where I could by an overunity machine to run my home with?
The way you guys talk there must be many out there. I would like to purchase one. I would appreciate any information on where to purchase one. Please, just contact information only.
Thanks Ray
Also, I told Butch you said a 3D animation was not wanted and he said he would not bother posting it then.
Title: Work bars pulled in example, now in Pseudo Solid mode
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 06:34:39 PM
See example from Butch
Title: Magnets "short circuit" mode, Non- Pseudo Solid mode, work bars out
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 07:33:27 PM
From Butch, Work bars moved out.
See attached
Title: How magnets are located between plates, also cut away view of work bar
Post by: gammarayburst on June 13, 2011, 08:11:08 PM
See attached from Butch
Title: More Information
Post by: gammarayburst on June 14, 2011, 02:03:08 AM
See attached
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: hhobrian on June 14, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
So to be clear, I saw one youtube video, that is a nice experiment.

What has he built to prove what he has drawn out?  Wish him luck ...
Title: Design improvement, more simple, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 05:15:20 AM
"Group member Lawrence suggested this improvement.
Butch"
See attached
Title: Ring eliminated, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 05:54:54 AM
See attached
Title: Point from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 06:19:31 AM
"Notice that the red magnets will now want to divide their flux between the rotating ring and the stator ring when not "short circuited' to the blue magnets. That is ok, the coils will still be getting flux and it is an acceptable trade off for the simplicity of the design. It might could also be eliminated if the stator ring had a very low reluctance as compared to the rotating blue magnet ring.
Butch"
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 15, 2011, 06:28:15 AM
I predict like our champion physicist have that it will all come to balance. any millionaires out there honest enough to make a wager? I could surely use the money.
Title: Design Option, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 05:53:35 PM
See attached drawings
Title: Better drawing from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 06:24:02 PM
See 2 attached drawings,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Typo corrected
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
See attached
Title: Interesting test results
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 06:51:47 PM
From Butch, " We took our switcher design that is based on the same Pseudo Solid principle and we ran current through the coil with an external power supply to see if the rotor would react to the coils magnetic field. The rotor did not move at all. So it stands to reason that even though the rotor is diverting the field of the coils and causing a voltage/current, this voltage/current and the magnetic field produced does not have any effect on the rotor with respect to induced drag. This is the basic principle of the Pseudo Solid effect." "We posted the video for over a year on youtube."
Thanks,
Ray
Title: One aspect of the Pseudo Solid Effect
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 07:14:46 PM
See attached,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Cutaway view of assembly
Post by: gammarayburst on June 15, 2011, 07:54:16 PM
See attached,
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Will post video tonight of basic overunity principle of Pseudo Solid Technology
Post by: gammarayburst on June 17, 2011, 02:12:14 AM
From Butch,
"Will post tonight, easy demo you can do at home yourself.
Please review this previous video before watching new demo later tonight.
Notice the ease of moving the center magnet for future reference.
Thanks,
Butch"
Link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqJhm_8LpA
Title: Proof Of Overunity, LaFonte Research Group Pseudo Solid Technology Video
Post by: gammarayburst on June 17, 2011, 05:12:33 AM
From Butch
"See this link for proof of overunity video.
Thanks,
Butch"
New video link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWc4DLxtXM
Title: Improvement
Post by: gammarayburst on June 18, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
Hey guys,
I just came up with something that is a HUGE improvement with the Pseudo Solid research.
Making drawings and video today.
Butch
Title: Preview of aspect of new Pseudo Solid Development
Post by: gammarayburst on June 18, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
See attached, from Butch
Title: Note on drawing from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 18, 2011, 08:35:31 PM
"Notice that if you have equal amounts of steel from the magnets you get repulsion, but if they are unequal you get attraction.
Butch"
Title: Possible reason for the effect, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 18, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
"I think it is because the longer steel has more domains and it over powers (reverses) the domains of the shorter steel and the system goes into an attraction mode?
Butch"
Title: Animation of earlier design, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 19, 2011, 04:42:06 AM
"See attached animation link,
Butch"
Link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu5KfPHFAVg
Title: Second proof of concept from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 19, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
"See attached,
3 bar pairs, 2 fixed, 1 moving.
Butch"
Title: Imagine 50 NIB magnets, from Butch
Post by: gammarayburst on June 19, 2011, 05:44:03 PM
From Butch,
"In the drawing above try to imagine 50 NIB magnets stacked in place of the 4 shown. Also all magnets move down to the transfer bar area except the magnet at the hinge point. This way no force is needed to overcome any magnet as in the previous design where one magnet force out of the group had to be overcome.
Butch"
Title: From Butch, Need replication
Post by: gammarayburst on June 19, 2011, 06:21:07 PM
"Can you replicate this test?
See if you get attraction with 7 to 3 washers and when they are all together use a razor blade to seperate for a 5 to 5 ratio and see if they repel apart.
Thanks,
Butch"
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: petersone on June 20, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Hi Butch
I tried that,and it woks as you said,there is some repulsion with 7/3 but they go to attract as they come together,I didn't need a razor blade to separate 5/5,they flew apart on there own!!!
I can't see the point of it,but I'm sure you will enlighten us,all quite fascinating though.
peter
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: gammarayburst on June 20, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Hi Butch
I tried that,and it woks as you said,there is some repulsion with 7/3 but they go to attract as they come together,I didn't need a razor blade to separate 5/5,they flew apart on there own!!!
I can't see the point of it,but I'm sure you will enlighten us,all quite fascinating though.
peter
"Peter,
I will make a drawing and post today. I feel this may open up a new area of research and development.
It's interesting seeing two magnets in repulsion pull to each other and then switch back to repulsion.
Thanks for doing the replication.
Butch"
Title: Re: From Butch, Need replication
Post by: Low-Q on June 20, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
"Can you replicate this test?
See if you get attraction with 7 to 3 washers and when they are all together use a razor blade to seperate for a 5 to 5 ratio and see if they repel apart.
Thanks,
Butch"
I have tested this now. It is repulsion no matter how the washers are configured. However, if there is no washers on one magnet, there will be attraction if the "naked" magnet gets close enough to the washers on the other magnet. Before that, there is repulsion. With one washer on one magnet, and 5 washers on the other magnet, there is repulsion all the way. The same with 3 washers on each magnet.

Vidar
Title: Re: To Peter
Post by: gammarayburst on June 20, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
Peter, did you get the same results as Vidar?
Title: New animation from Butch, Rotary Pseudo Solid proof of concept
Post by: gammarayburst on June 28, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
See this link >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKBDOPXgjpI
Thanks,
Ray
Title: Improvement on Pseudo Solid design
Post by: gammarayburst on June 29, 2011, 05:35:38 AM
See link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQAuxJp24c&feature=bf_prev&list=ULTAhY8pYvwIQ&index=22
Title: Re: This could really work, new from LaFonte Research Group
Post by: Dbowling on June 30, 2011, 01:44:07 AM
This is all very interesting, and you may have something, but when are you going to take the plunge and build an actual working device to demonstrate the concept instead of using the 3d animations? That's the way you will get people to pay attention, and probably the ONLY way. "If you build it, they will come." You've shown a couple simple models you could build, but they have moving parts that are not accounted for by magnetic attraction or repulsion, which means you have to produce enough energy from the magnetic attraction or repulsion to loop the system, which is what everyone is waiting for you to prove you can do.