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Offline Bruce_TPU

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Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« on: June 02, 2011, 04:02:17 AM »
Have any of you heard of this man or his work?  He is a fellow Texan (from Texas, USA) and seems to have made the powers that be, very upset...

http://www.zeroamptech.com/on.html

Claims he can now power 8,500 homes.  Something about a special "drive" ??

The story in his own words: 
http://www.commutefaster.com/audio/sumaruck-cmpr.mp3

PESN Rebuttal from 3 years ago:
http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

Cheers,

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« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 04:59:04 AM by Bruce_TPU »

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 04:36:04 AM »
Interresting, bad we dont know nothing about his invention or how to reproduce it, any patent or document about his invention?

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 05:44:46 AM »
Have any of you heard of this man or his work?  He is a fellow Texan (from Texas, USA) and seems to have made the powers that be, very upset...

http://www.zeroamptech.com/on.html

Claims he can now power 8,500 homes.  Something about a special "drive" ??

The story in his own words: 
http://www.commutefaster.com/audio/sumaruck-cmpr.mp3

PESN Rebuttal from 3 years ago:
http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

Cheers,

Bruce

proof, is he doing so? it is up to you to prove him/her true or false. this is the code of ethics of true science.

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 05:44:46 AM »
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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 06:24:01 AM »
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Read the many articles about Mr. Sumaruck on the internet - more articles about Peter Sumaruck than any other inventor at this time in the world today. People have taken to calling him “Tesla Jr.” Pete is amused by this. Nikola Tesla did go around the country giving lectures but at that point in his life, his work seemed more theatrical - he would sit in a room, surrounded by noticeable electric energy; audiences gasped, but Tesla did not have a practical product. It would be left for future generations to make practical use his innovations for wireless technology.
-----http://www.zeroamptech.com/on.html

To me it sounds like Mr. Sumaruck may have written this article himself because I am quite certain Nikola Tesla had quite a few "practical products" ;D. Let's see the ignition coil--Hmm that sounds familiar, AC generators and polyphase motors which are the industry standard worldwide for the last 100 years or so, ;D, robotics, fluorescent lights, logic circuits which are the basis of every computer etc.... . This gives me reason to believe Mr. Sumaruck is a gun-totin delusional crackpot and I would not trust him as far as I could throw him.
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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 08:09:54 AM »
Seven pages on zeroamp tech and Pete here:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10624.0

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 01:22:55 PM »
Have any of you heard of this man or his work?  He is a fellow Texan (from Texas, USA) and seems to have made the powers that be, very upset...

http://www.zeroamptech.com/on.html

Claims he can now power 8,500 homes.  Something about a special "drive" ??

The story in his own words: 
http://www.commutefaster.com/audio/sumaruck-cmpr.mp3

PESN Rebuttal from 3 years ago:
http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

Cheers,

Bruce

OMG, Gullible much?? 

Even without knowing a single thing else, IF the man had even 1/100th on his way to "a million times OU" with his silly black box, ask yourself what need would he have for the genset or those big banks of batteries?? 

You read all the articles and all it comes across as is a gun toting, daft Texan, ranting on an on about himself and how 'the man' is against him but nonbody better mess with his navy Seal buds!!  Oh dear.

1)  He didn't even hook the amp meter up correctly (and wouldnt allow it to be done so)
2)  Wouldnt allow a scope to be put on the box.
3)  Wouldnt permit the electric motors to be loaded.
....the list goes on....

PESN looked at it and they stated (among many other things) -


"Probably Not Overunity

The ensuing discussion in the NEC forum was fascinating, as several people who have had extensive exposure to systems similar to this one raised questions and pointed out factors that need to be weighed in drawing any conclusions about what had been seen. Several people concluded in those discussions that the demonstration we saw is not definitively overunity.

Some of the reasons given are as follows:

 
Pete was not running the amp meter in series on the input, but in parallel; so the 0.241 milliamp reading was not accurate, but was low by a large factor.  An undetermined amount of the input electricity was flowing through the telephone wire, while some (0.241 milliamps) was flowing through the meter.  Jim Dunn tried to get Pete to run the meter in series so that all the electricity would flow through the meter for a more accurate reading of input current, but Pete never did that while we were there.
 

One of Pete's 2-HP motors.
 
The motors were not running at full speed per their name plate rating.
The motors were not starting up rapidly.  I timed them going to full speed between 2-4 seconds -- a "soft start".  Under normal operation, they would start up in less than a second, and could flip on their side if they were not mounted.  None of Pete's motors were mounted.
It would take around 2-4 amps to soft start the five motors with no load on them.
 

Pete's telephone wire junction where the amp meter was placed for parallel amp measurement.  Same as "A" in above photo.  A single strand of this multiple-strand wire would be larger than 60 gauge, which would be barely visible.
Telephone wire nowadays is typically 24 gauge (ref.), which is 0.0201 of an inch in diameter (ref.).  Jim said 24-gauge wire can carry 10-20 amps before it melts.  He uses it as a "poor man's fuse" for some applications.  It could easily carry the 2-4 amps that it would take to soft start up the five motors.  When I asked Pete about this later, he said that the telephone wire was of much smaller gauge than that -- like 60 gauge .  Jim said that telephone wire would never be less than 26 gauge.
When I had an RPM gauge held tight to one of the motor shafts to time the interval between start-up and max speed, the telephone wire burned up when Pete went to start it up.  Apparently, that much load was enough to overload the input wire.  Pete had to replace it with something a little thicker (~22 gauge).
The output to the motors may have been a pulsed width square wave, which will give an artificially high amp reading using a clamp-on meter as we were doing. "

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Clear to me the guy is full of crap.  I guarantee his house is still on the grid....and with 1,000,000 OU oh my!!!! LMAO





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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 02:27:49 PM »
OMG (to quote you) as usual you don't listen.  You assumed. I said NOTHING of an opinion on the tech.  Just curious what people here had heard about it.  A friend sent me a link to his website yesterday.

Cheers,

Bruce
P.s...I posted the link to what you quoted fyi...if you had read anything e goose!  If your listening skills were as large as your ego, youd be in good shape.  (wink!)

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 05:45:30 PM »
from what i understand, these are products similar to what he claims to be "modifying". - keep in mind, during his original discovery, the "modification" was performed ACCIDENTLY!!! during a repair..
so there must not be much to this....



http://www.bardac.com/pages/products/ac_optidrive-i55.html

http://www.variablefrequencydrives.net/wegcfw-10plusvariablefrequencydrives.htm

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 07:38:16 PM »
from what i understand, these are products similar to what he claims to be "modifying". - keep in mind, during his original discovery, the "modification" was performed ACCIDENTLY!!! during a repair..
so there must not be much to this....



http://www.bardac.com/pages/products/ac_optidrive-i55.html

http://www.variablefrequencydrives.net/wegcfw-10plusvariablefrequencydrives.htm

Hi Smoky,

Thank you very much.  I did not think that this was the kind of drive he was speaking about.

I found some good reading off of a link from a link you posted:
http://www.variablefrequencydrives.net/variablefrequencydrivebasics.htm

This explains why the "soft start" on the motor, that was a concern to PESN.  It is actually part of his tech.  It would appear that perhaps he has produces his own software that will act as a variable frequency drive for the motor, and I already can guess the means of "gain".  "Harmonic Distortion".  And the power source of that is the Schumann's Resonance and it's EM waves.  I would guess, that on the original "drive", he REMOVED the isolation transformer, and "promoted" harmonic distortion.  So, with a "homemade, programmed variable frequency drive, you decrease the energy and wear and tear on the motor, and then decrease more the input via harmonic distortion.   Match the output to the load, thus his "resonance" statement.  Interesting...

This page would explain the "flywheel" in the setup and it's reason, perhaps:
http://www.variablefrequencydrives.net/acvariablefrequencydrives.htm

Very interesting.

Cheers,

Bruce
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 08:00:34 PM by Bruce_TPU »

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 08:03:26 PM »
As I stated in the other thread : "He never claimed he was a Navy seal.  Get your facts straight.  He said he worked as a private contractor for the Seals.  He has eagle like vision and can shoot the legs off a flea at a thousand feet ... with no scope. "

I've read everything possible on him and his tech.  Sterling and Dr. Steven Greer both tried to buy it from him.  He initially went with signing an agreement with Greer (UFO CSETI head honcho who says energy supression is related to UFO supression).  But Greer was never able to come up with enough funding and the contract was basically nul.  Sterling was peeved about that according to Pete.  I had email with Pete.  I honestly don't know if he has something or not but he is not currently trying to sell anything.  I was asking about purchasing plans or DVD on how to build as he said he was going to offer courses that would give you blueprints with all details on how to build.  He seems to have interest in getting it into the hands of the people and not some corporate interest that will bury it or make it only for the rich or military.  My point is he did not ask for one penny from me or try to sell me anything even when I was asking and offering to buy something (although I was not yet set on going through with a purchase of anything without more details being on a tight budget).  He basically told me to wait as it will be on TV soon and to go from there.  Don't you think that if what he has is fake that he would have tried selling me something and gladly taken my money?  But if it is real he would not want to give the concept away to someone unknown to him for a small amount.  I think at some point if it's real he will be teaching others on this. 

    So I don't know but I wouldn't discount him yet.  And he has good reason to be 'toting a gun' if you read up a little. 

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 08:20:56 PM »
Below is a quote from fletchmo found on this page, PESN Rebuttal from 3 years ago: http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

Quote from: fletchmo
I was there on November 24th 2008 to watch this demo. In fact, I stayed on for a week. The closer I got to Peter Sumaruck, the more I realized he was nothing more than a common charlatan. As we attempted to properly measure the in and out of his device, he grew more belligerent. The language he used shouldn't be repeated in a forum like this. But let us say that he let us know that he felt that electrical engineers "Don't know a f***king thing". His knowledge of electronics seemed to be limited to DC circuits alone and he never showed a true understanding of the 3-phase systems he claims to have mastered. He didn't seem to know what reactive power was. In what I would consider one of his crude warnings, prior to our measurement with a phase angle device used to determine the power used by 3 phase Air conditioning systems (He would not let us use an oscilloscope), he produced his nickel-silver, model 1911 .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol. He put in the magazine, locked and loaded the weapon and put it on the table in front of me. Sort of a "believe me or I'll kill you" Approach. The tiny wire input was impressive, but in retrospect it was 22 gauge and capable in open chassis of handling 7 amps according to the American Wire Gauge Table. The input wires were in open air and not in any kind of conduit so that qualifies for open chassis wiring. The input voltage was 220 volts and I measured about 3 amps--Pete claimed much lower power input. To the tune of .5 watt. We measured about 600 watts. According to the manufacturer, one of the large 5 HP motors took 200 watts to run without any load--and NONE of the motors had a load. The total power needed to run all the motors without load based on the 5 hp model was about 600 watts. I remember Sterling (I think it was Sterling) put friction on one of the motors and caused the small wires to melt. This really PO'd Pete. Another one of those f***ing engineers..... We left Pete's demonstration feeling like we wasted a week of our time. 
It is my opinion that he doesn't know what he's doing except to cheat people out of donations. I think he's very good at that alone. Again my opinion is that he doesn't understand electronics beyond that of a mediocre technician but he has the chutzpah of a PT Barnum. Don't be fooled by this man.

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2011, 08:58:25 PM »
Below is a quote from fletchmo found on this page, PESN Rebuttal from 3 years ago: http://pesn.com/2008/11/30/9501504_ZeroAmpTech-demo/

That reply was date 5-16-2011 after there had been discussion in the other thread on Zero Amp tech.  Who is Fletchmo?  Anyone can post anything on the Internet.  I just find it interesting that popped up after some things that were said in the other thread.   And I'm not totally supporting Sumaruck here but just want to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He has enemies for sure.  And anyone with a real world usable energy device is going to have serious enemies. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 12:07:52 AM »
That reply was date 5-16-2011 after there had been discussion in the other thread on Zero Amp tech.  Who is Fletchmo?  Anyone can post anything on the Internet.  I just find it interesting that popped up after some things that were said in the other thread.   And I'm not totally supporting Sumaruck here but just want to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He has enemies for sure.  And anyone with a real world usable energy device is going to have serious enemies.

I too think people should be careful.  Just as all manner of evil was spoke of Steven Mark, to discredit his work.  I think it is curious, when one reads his story and hears him tell it... I see all of the "potential" for something to be there, and a VERY paranoid (rightly so perhaps) individual.

He sounds like a man who is trying to keep how he does it close to the belt, and it seems it would be easy (based on the stories) for others to figure it out.   My guess is that he has no patents at all.  And the gun, well, I live in Texas, and that is no big deal.  You have to be trained and have a lisence to carry it and it has to be seen, can not be hidden.  That is just par and parcel for being in the backwoods of Texas...lol

I saw no solicitation for money, not even donations on the man's website, nor in any of the radio interviews.  I saw no advertisement of any sort, either, on the man's website.  Interesting...

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Claimed COP of more then 1,000,000 (million)
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 04:20:33 AM »
i dont have enough information to pass judgement on this one yet, but there are a few things i like about this story.

his training and experience as military mechanical/electrical technician is along the lines of a bachelors' education. those of us who are engineers can see the obvious mistakes he makes, and oversight with measurement, and general physical set-up of his circuitry...

Many might see this as a "flaw", or "shortcomming", but i have found in this particular field of research, that a lack of institutionalized education allows many inventors and experimenters to think outside of the box, and not be mentally-constricted by the commonly accepted theories of physics.   And what we know about resonant circuits and constructive interference, his claims are not necessarily outside the realm of possiblity.

There is a foundational history of this man's work and research going back some 22-years. True, it is possible that this whole thing may just be an error in measurement, But one would assume that - in all that time, and all of the people that have worked with him on this project, that he would have connected a load up to this thing that outweighed the input power.
And for him to still be claiming 1-million COP after 22 yrs, gives him some degree of credibility. ( or beligerent deception...)

If he was simply a hoaxer, or scam artist, you would think we would find people that have been ripped off by him, or at least some exposure of this.. Yet all we find is a small handful of individuals that proclaim he would not allow them to take accurate measurements on the input/output of the device..
Which, such measurements could be used (black-box engineering) to decipher his proprietary secrets. So it is not that suprising that he would refuse such a request.

Combine that with 22-yrs of scientists and engineers telling him that hes full of %#^*, and his claims are not possible.....  and the mistrust of those that might wish to bury him and/or his technology..
i have seen many OU-researchers turn hostile when someone starts nit-picking the neccessary details in the measurements of their device.

Thats not to say he is right or wrong here, but i cant discredit him just yet, from the information i have seen.
We need to know more about this device, and perhaps it is time that someone extends an invitation to this inventor to come here to this forum?



The one major problem i see here, is that he is oriented on profiting from his work, and fails to see the greater humanitarian purpose that is served by our research in this field.
This is something that should be explained to him, in hopes that he can come to see the greater good in what we are all doing here.

i get it, sure having loads of cash would be nice, and perhaps in some way i could understand that one thinks they "deserve" payment or compensation for all their hard work, but personally i dont believe there is any materialistic goal that could replace the salvation of all mankind.....  We are being perpetually raped by the powers that control the production and distribution of energy. and Energy controls everything. from harvesting of raw materials, to manufacturing, and production, to the distribution and ultimately the end user cost of every product that any of us buy. It goes far beyond the cost of electricity, natural gas, heating oil, fuels....  it affects Every single thing that we do.


 

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