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Author Topic: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass  (Read 45943 times)

Offline maw2432

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2011, 01:58:36 AM »
Some of you may already have read this but worth reposting if not already posted.

http://www.space.com/11570-nasa-gravity-probe-einstein-theory-relativity.html

You can get.... free .... real data about the effects of gravity paid for by your taxes.

Interesting the study takes many years of data to confirm.   

Bill

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2011, 02:06:34 AM »
Anyone want to talk about the proposed test, or can you only post gibberish?

I will ask the question again. Why do you believe something so daum as the mass of a particle changes when it moves?

Show me one thing that changes in mass because it is moving.

Hi Brian.

I am not at all trying to be interruptive here at all, but I think these other people would use your same questions against you, in the fact, how would you prove to us that Gravity has mass or not and can you prove it physically otherwise?

I personally would not spend my money on such a project. oh, wait, sorry, I forgot about tax dollars. my bad. please continue.

I personally, Gravity is a tensor field period. no mass, just displacement which can and has already been proven in theory.

I also wanted to ask you, if an object was traveling in space at the speed of light or close to it that it wouldn't absorb energy as it travels? in fact it would be absorbing a lot of energy at 186,283 miles a second traveling just through electromagnetic energy as an antenna. at that speed your spaceship becomes a powerful antenna.

Just wanted to hear your views on such subject matter.

Jerry 8)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2011, 03:43:21 AM »
Anyone want to talk about the proposed test, or can you only post gibberish?

I will ask the question again. Why do you believe something so daum as the mass of a particle changes when it moves?

Show me one thing that changes in mass because it is moving.

Photons have zero 'rest' mass, but mass when moving.

The mass of a photon is proportionate to its velocity.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2011, 05:21:27 AM »
Photons have zero 'rest' mass, but mass when moving.

The mass of a photon is proportionate to its velocity.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
fail. you can't use a theoretical thing... ::)
photons are theoretical particles... a theory in which the foundation rests upon a 'massive' particle called the higg's boson, which somehow eludes discovery by science. i hardly think that qualifies as demonstrating... ;)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2011, 06:15:26 PM »
If a particle traveling at the speed of light has infinite mass, and light travels at the speed of light. Than why doesn’t light have infinite mass?

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Offline brian334

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #110 on: June 28, 2011, 09:31:10 PM »


More proof gravity has mass is this.
The instant light is created it is traveling at the speed of light, it never has to accelerate to its maximum speed.
As far as I know that is impossible unless in some way light combines with gravity that is already moving at the speed of light.


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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #111 on: June 28, 2011, 09:59:12 PM »
Gravity is a function of mass, directly proportional.
More mass generates more gravity.  A photon has almost no mass, almost no gravity.
Gravity would not exist without mass, and it is only a way to describe mass.
You can determine the mass of an object by its gravity.

This should be a test to prove mass has gravity...

Drop a rock...


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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #112 on: June 28, 2011, 10:52:25 PM »
When you add more energy to make light go faster it doesn't because the photon uses the additional energy to increase its frequency instead of its velocity.(we don't really know if there is a limit to a photons frequency compression). if there is then adding more energy to a photon that has maximum frequency compression can no longer apply the additional energy to its frequency and then might force the photon to go faster in velocity to accommodate the added energy. (strictly a hypothesis on my part.) however this would only apply if Photons do have a maximum frequency compression, otherwise if the compression is infinite then this hypothesis will fail.

Light always travels at light speed no matter what, some materials used in making light appear to slow down are actually absorbing the light and re-emitting the light a fraction of a second later.

now, concerning gravity, only density effects Gravity, most of the force we feel as gravity is attractive magnetic and electromagnetic fields which are far stronger in field strength than the gravity of the planet. torsion or tensor fields are mainly what gravity is, just a product of density.

Jerry 8)
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #113 on: June 29, 2011, 12:13:23 AM »
Light always travels at light speed no matter what.
That's rather academic of you.  The wavelength of photons are inversely proportional to their velocity, which is not fixed.  A gamma ray is a photon at a gamma energy level, traveling exponentially faster than a visible light photon.  Infrared Energy is photons traveling considerably slower than a visible light photon.  Science tries to explain that velocity and wavelength are separate "mechanisms" within a photon.  Tis not so, its just a little itsy bity bit of matter.  It ain't gonna do two things, it just does one...

The impetus that creates a photon is its highest velocity.  As it travels it slows down, the wavelength gets larger.  The further it travels, the slower it gets, and ultimately, at the end of its journey, it will slow down enough to move in ways other than a straight line.  At which time it will fall into a tight little spiral and join with other expired photons to become subatomic bits of matter.

See, life is analog.  Our little photon traverses the entire spectrum before it becomes a minute bit of solid matter...

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #114 on: June 29, 2011, 12:30:16 AM »
That's rather academic of you.  The wavelength of photons are inversely proportional to their velocity, which is not fixed.  A gamma ray is a photon at a gamma energy level, traveling exponentially faster than a visible light photon.  Infrared Energy is photons traveling considerably slower than a visible light photon.  Science tries to explain that velocity and wavelength are separate "mechanisms" within a photon.  Tis not so, its just a little itsy bity bit of matter.  It ain't gonna do two things, it just does one...

The impetus that creates a photon is its highest velocity.  As it travels it slows down, the wavelength gets larger.  The further it travels, the slower it gets, and ultimately, at the end of its journey, it will slow down enough to move in ways other than a straight line.  At which time it will fall into a tight little spiral and join with other expired photons to become subatomic bits of matter.

See, life is analog.  Our little photon traverses the entire spectrum before it becomes a minute bit of solid matter...

Is this your theory or someone Else's?


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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #115 on: June 29, 2011, 12:46:42 AM »
Is this your theory or someone Else's?
There are several schools of thought that support this "theory", none are academic, or orthodox.
But, if you want proof, you must make a friend of Gaia, look within yourself, at your Oneness, at the
Unity you are but a bit of.  When you can interface your higher self with Gaia she will reveal all
that you wish to know...

The Universe exists in the Mind of The All, All is Mind...

Goodwill to All, for All is One...

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2011, 05:33:17 AM »
Gaia? puny and miniscule by any other word.

and this is just in our galaxy alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q

Jerry 8)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2011, 06:19:45 AM »
That's rather academic of you.  The wavelength of photons are inversely proportional to their velocity, which is not fixed.  A gamma ray is a photon at a gamma energy level, traveling exponentially faster than a visible light photon.  Infrared Energy is photons traveling considerably slower than a visible light photon.  Science tries to explain that velocity and wavelength are separate "mechanisms" within a photon.  Tis not so, its just a little itsy bity bit of matter.  It ain't gonna do two things, it just does one...

The impetus that creates a photon is its highest velocity.  As it travels it slows down, the wavelength gets larger.  The further it travels, the slower it gets, and ultimately, at the end of its journey, it will slow down enough to move in ways other than a straight line.  At which time it will fall into a tight little spiral and join with other expired photons to become subatomic bits of matter.

See, life is analog.  Our little photon traverses the entire spectrum before it becomes a minute bit of solid matter...

Light will only travel at the speed of light period, linearly, the sine wave you refer to is a man made mathematics construct to explain classical photons and not QED(Quantum Electromagnetic Dynamics), using your theory that because a photon of Gamma ray energy levels travels further distances because it is traveling in a tighter sine wave and therefor it is traveling a longer distance at the same rate fails to the correct scientific proof that it still, no matter what frequency only travels at the same linear velocity of 281,283 miles a second, period.

if light's frequency compression is infinite then light can not travel faster than light. only if it has a maximum frequency compression like I explained earlier.

light does not slow down period. it is simply absorbed and re-emitted to appear it slowed down.

Virtual particles brought into the existence via magnetic and electromagnetic energies of 1,016 Tesla might be solely responsible for the existence of matter itself. the slowing down of light to form matter is hogwash, light entangles itself in super powerful fields and is pulled from space at the energies I just mentioned. it is already proven.

there are peer reviewed articles on our physicists making matter out of virtual particles from the vacuum.

your spiritualism nor anyone else's spiritualism has never solved a scientific or physicist problem nor will they ever. spiritualism comes from the creative side of the brain and not the logical side.

leave spiritualism out of science and or physics period, they ruin each other completely. also, Science and Physics has more information about life than 1 billion copies each of all spiritual books combined and is growing.

your spiritualism may also cause you to believe that some higher power secretly left the schematics to perpetual energy out of the equation so that only a spiritual person may find it, total rubbish!

totally laughable.

I brought my rubbers, now, lets get it on.

Jerry 8)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #119 on: June 29, 2011, 02:18:56 PM »
total rubbish!  totally laughable.
Jerry 8)
Seriously son, you need to check out what Gaia has to offer...

 

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