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Author Topic: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass  (Read 45619 times)

Offline brian334

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2011, 12:58:09 AM »
The only posts in this topic that matter were posted by me.
Almost all the other posts in this topic are bullshit.
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2011, 08:09:58 AM »
well,.. seeing as you do not own a particle accelerator nor do you have access to a non-gravitational environment, nor to outerspace, or a "true vaccuum"

What is it about the test i have proposed, that you think is bullsht?
and why?

The earth is moving much faster than the velocity of gravity, if gravity HAS mass, and we can accurately measure the gravitational force to several digits.. Then the test i proposed should answer the question, yes?

This seems to me, to be more difinitive, and logical than arguing the semantics of Einsteinian theory, or attempting to measure the temperature of an asteriod in a partial vacuum littered with debris and space dust.....

Of course, if it is your intention to dismiss any peer review that comes your way, why bother asking the question?

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2011, 01:18:01 PM »
So mercury is falling into the sun and the moon is moving away from the earth.
I guess you have to be a intellectual to understand how that works.

Hi Brian.

it is proposed that the earth's moon 'came' from the earth from an impact during the development of the earths birth and that is a reason why it is going away from the earth. the earths moon is the only one receding from its planet in this solar system, all other moons are degrading in orbit.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2011, 03:22:12 PM »
The only posts in this topic that matter were posted by me.
Almost all the other posts in this topic are bullshit.
brian334

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 The biggest problem is theory. When it is theory you can not call it bull___t.

Disregarding other's theory for your own is not logical. All theory has to be put to the test, not argued. If you can not put it to the test. You wait until you or someone else puts it to the test. Any other information is theory or just your opinion that may have use in setting up the test and seeing the possibilities of what we may learn.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2011, 07:11:31 PM »
Mr. Hammer,
That is exactly right, my ideas are a theory only. I purposed a test to prove my theory and at same time disprove the theory that mass changes when a particle is moving fast.

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2011, 12:14:08 AM »
Mr. Hammer,
That is exactly right, my ideas are a theory only. I purposed a test to prove my theory and at same time disprove the theory that mass changes when a particle is moving fast.

My theory is that neither of those are true. Gravity does not have mass, nor do particles gain in mass with acceleration.
But rather, the resistance to motion increases with velocity.
Which is why light "is light"

The factor in question, is not the mass of the particle itself, but the energy required to acelerate it. Examine the momentum of the particle, and you will see that its mass has not changed at all.


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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2011, 07:55:19 PM »
Why does resistance to motion increases with velocity?

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2011, 10:40:11 PM »
My theory is that neither of those are true. Gravity does not have mass, nor do particles gain in mass with acceleration.
But rather, the resistance to motion increases with velocity.
Which is why light "is light"

The factor in question, is not the mass of the particle itself, but the energy required to acelerate it. Examine the momentum of the particle, and you will see that its mass has not changed at all.

adding energy to an atom causes its electron orbital to expand, the faster you go the more energy that an atom absorbs and expands its electron orbit. this is proven by LASER technology in the Light Amplification by Stimulated Emissions of Radiation. else LASER theory would not work.

now when you are dealing with non-relative velocities like faster than light, nobody knows what will happen. there are Hypothesis but that is where it remains at this point.

Jerry 8)
« Last Edit: June 13, 2011, 01:51:49 AM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2011, 04:31:18 AM »
adding energy to an atom causes its electron orbital to expand, the faster you go the more energy that an atom absorbs and expands its electron orbit. this is proven by LASER technology in the Light Amplification by Stimulated Emissions of Radiation. else LASER theory would not work.

now when you are dealing with non-relative velocities like faster than light, nobody knows what will happen. there are Hypothesis but that is where it remains at this point.

Jerry 8)

That is a perfect example of the point im trying to make.

[bear with me here, this may be a lot to swallow...]

When an atom is in an excited state, and then emits a photon, the mass of the atom in its excited state is calculated by the mass of the atom in its ground-state plus the energy of the photon
    - a particle that theoretically has no mass

This is given by the Formula E=mc^2

Now, prior to the emition of the photon, the atom has a higher kenetic energy, because of its velocity - BUT it's momentum indicates that the atom has the same mass in its' excited state, as it does in the ground-state. This is observed by its impact, and the rise in energy levels resultant in the subsequent excitation of another atom.

Einsteins equation relates the increase of energy, with an increase in mass of the atom. However, this same equation does not apply to the energy that is emited by the same atom, as it returns to its original mass??
i.e. the photon - who's mass is = E/c^2

I postulate, that while the electron is at a higher orbit, it is interfering with the mesh of the universe (aether?), and that as it returns to its normal orbit, the mass (photon particle) is generated out of the collapse of this mesh, and accelerates instantaneously, to the physical limitations of our local portion of the universe that define the local value of c

This is the force that ties energy to mass, and why mass can be destroyed by an energy of equal and opposite value.

Now, on the subject of gravity, i further postulate that the gravitational force of an excited atom will be increased compared to that of the ground state by the theoretical increase in mass. E=mc^2

This is caused by the distortion of the aether, that causes gravitational force to occur, in the presence of mass.
Therefore, an atom that is occupying more space (excited state), will have the gravity of a more massive atom, but not actually more mass. Which leads to the creation of mass (photons and other particle radiation) when the distortion colapses.

Radioactive elements, are those whos electron orbits are in a chaotic orbit, and these events occur naturally.















   




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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2011, 06:57:14 AM »
Why does resistance to motion increases with velocity?

i cant draw what i want to show here, so i borrowed someone elses artwork...

This picture represents a "slice" of space, in each of the 3 dimensions.
The "whole of space" consists of an infinite number of these slices, extending in every direction, not just the 3 dimensions, but every angle inbetween as well.

Mass creates a distortion of space, a "bending of the lines", which is what causes the gravitational force.  Energy fields distort the mesh, and when they are intense enough, the intersections of the lines are "pinched" together - forming "mass" - a permantent distortion, which can then move through the mesh, bending the lines as it travels.

Once moving, the motion is "fluid", and continues freeley (propegation), but a change in velocity is resisted by the lines. Speeding up or slowing down. We refer to these as momentum, and moment of inertia, and at slow velocities the resistance is proportional to the magnitude of the distortion (mass).
Approaching the physcal limitations of our local portion of the universe (c), which is related to the distance between the lines, the resistance increases infinitely. This defines the speed of light in our local portion of space.

In order to reach light speed, or speeds faster than light, it is necessary to propegate a distortion around the mass as it moves.
A Photon does this on its own, because of its electromagnetic properties.
The motion of this distortion, traveling at this physical limitational velocity in front of the photon, creates the visual property.





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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2011, 03:35:31 PM »
Can you prove any of that bullshit?

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2011, 10:55:45 PM »
The belief that the mass of a particle changes when it is moving fast is not based in science.
So the question is why do you people believe it.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2011, 03:26:23 AM »
The belief that the mass of a particle changes when it is moving fast is not based in science.

Hi Brian.

It is not a belief, it is just a theory, theories change when peer reviewed work says that it is other wise been changed or updated.

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So the question is why do you people believe it.

I don't believe in theories, I simply hold them as the current state of observation by peer reviewed scientist and physicist that apply math proof.

not everyone in this forum will think as you do, it takes a bit of hair pulling and dusting yourself off at times. all you can do is try as you are or get back up on your feet again.

Jerry 8)
« Last Edit: June 14, 2011, 04:09:58 AM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2011, 04:01:04 AM »
why, well we have the theory GR
and then we have all the data the theory explains.
particles in atom smashers exhibit increased mass as the velocity increases.
as the velocity approaches C the mass gets very large and the energy involved
gets large as well. these are facts not opinions deal with it.
you need to know where the box is in order to think outside the box.
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