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Author Topic: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass  (Read 45939 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 03:52:22 AM »
I am sorry but I don't buy into this gravity being a pushing force. no reputable scientist would either.

onthecuttingedge2010

 Well lets look at it this way. This falls into the common belief category. But how will their common belief hold up to a running gravity wheel. They can not fully explain gravity. At least most do admit that. The accepted belief is it pulls. But explain water in so called zero gravity. does it disperse? No it holds to together. What causes it to hold together?  Watch this video and ask. Is it having it's own gravity or is there an outside force holding it together?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4JrhW2aO6I&feature=related

 We truly don't know gravity but we have an idea about gravity. Either way it keeps us on the ground.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 03:56:25 AM »
onthecuttingedge2010

 Well lets look at it this way. This falls into the common belief category. But how will their common belief hold up to a running gravity wheel. They can not fully explain gravity. At least most do admit that. The accepted belief is it pulls. But explain water called in Zero space. does it disperse? No it holds to together. What causes it to hold together?  Watch this video and ask. Is it having it's own gravity or is there an outside force holding it together?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4JrhW2aO6I&feature=related

 We truly don't know gravity but we have an idea about gravity. Either way it keeps us on the ground.

Alan

I have watched every single NASA feed there ever was, the waters surface tension is stronger than any gravitational force at that distance from earth.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 04:09:08 AM »
I have watched every single NASA feed there ever was, the waters surface tension is stronger than any gravitational force at that distance from earth.

Well then there needs to be a test of the water close to a larger mass and see if it gravitates towards it and spread out on it? Have they done this test? surface tension is a good possible answer. But when they put the tablet in it I have to second guess it, for here on earth it brakes up surface tension. My fact is I can't say one way or the other. But there are still many questions that need to be answered.

Alan

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 04:32:07 AM »
I have watched every single NASA feed there ever was, the waters surface tension is stronger than any gravitational force at that distance from earth.

Actually at that distance from the earth, the gravitational force is still 90-95%.  They're in a free-fall weightless environment and not free from the gravitational force.  The waters surface tension being stronger than the gravitational force of the earth at that distance is a poor argument since the gravitational force isn't much weaker at that distance than it is at the surface of the earth.  Planes following a parabolic path to create a weightless environment at a much closer distance to the earth with little to no difference in the gravitational force as compared to the surface of the earth (near 100%), will also show the water holding itself together, thus making your argument even less plausible.  The most rational explanation is a universal centripetal pressure holding the water together, thus gravity could be a pushing force.

GB
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 05:33:53 AM »
GB, I smell the strong effervescent of horse shit in the air, if you really believe in this then you are welcome to roll around in it.

you will fail with your theory, completely.

I predict that in the future you will become a laughing stock among this forum.
they will have laughs about you for some time to come because you were so diligently wrong.

you offer no math to prove our predecessors wrong, nothing with taste, texture, or fulfillment nor color.

your quazen is quite distasteful.

Jerry 8)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 05:46:12 AM »

GB, I smell the strong effervescent of horse shit in the air, if you really believe in this then you are welcome to roll around in it.

you will fail with your theory, completely.

I predict that in the future you will become a laughing stock among this forum.
they will have laughs about you for some time to come because you were so diligently wrong.

you offer no math to prove our predecessors wrong, nothing with taste, texture, or fulfillment nor color.

your quazen is quite distasteful.

Jerry 8)


You have no scientific rebuttal. This speaks for itself.

GB

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 05:52:21 AM »
You have no scientific rebuttal. This speaks for itself.

GB

Yes I do, all the founders of science and physics and the laws for which 'you' are bound. period!

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 05:55:40 AM »
It is not certain that tidal motion is the result of gravity.
While this is a commonly accepted theory, all we are really certain of is the tidal connection to the moon.

I propose another theory:  The moon is magnetically polarized, which is why one side faces the earth at all times.

The iron content in the oceans is approx. 25% by mass.
which corresponds mathematically to the magnetic pull from the lunar motion, and the magnitude and rate of transfer of tidal motion.
I propose that the ocean tides may be magnetic in nature.

This is also a plausible explaination for the discrepancy in
gravitational-tidal theory, when applied to massive fresh-water lakes, as they do not experience tides, though the gravitational-tidal theory indicates that they "should".


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it has not been proven one way or the other whether "gravity" is a pushing or pulling force. Most people assume that it is a pulling force, because we cannot see what might be "pushing", we only see the mass that gravity is directed towards, which leads to an assumption of  a "pulling" force.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2011, 06:12:57 AM »
Yes I do, all the founders of science and physics and the laws for which 'you' are bound. period!

The above isn't a scientific rebuttal. Look at where they've been wrong in the past.  The earth at one time was thought to be flat.  The sun at one time was thought to rotate around the earth.  Airplanes will never fly.  The sound barrier could never be broken. The atomic bomb will never detonate.  Bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly.  Then there are so many discrepancies and contradictions in the established and currently accepted theories.  In addition to this, they can't explain 94% of the universe which appears to be missing.  If they can't get the 6% correct in which they can account for, then I'm sure the other 94% will throw a monkey wrench into their so called laws. Nature behaves as though she were ignorant of Hamilton's calculus and the importance to which people attach to formula. Nature disregards imaginary enclosures, and our desire that the Universe should conform to our particular points of view, as well as our carefully thought out ideas.  Good luck with putting your faith in the founders of science and physics when they have been proven to be wrong many times in the past.

GB
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 06:28:10 AM »
It is not certain that tidal motion is the result of gravity.


tidal motion is the result of gravitational moments period, they are so predictable. how do you think we get the tide schedules.

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While this is a commonly accepted theory, all we are really certain of is the tidal connection to the moon.

the moon and earth is still the best method to study gravity. at this time.

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I propose another theory:  The moon is magnetically polarized, which is why one side faces the earth at all times.


the moon is revolving around the earth as it should, in a million years the same face of the moon will not be the same. it revolves its face very slowly.
you must read on why it is.

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The iron content in the oceans is approx. 25% by mass.
which corresponds mathematically to the magnetic pull from the lunar motion, and the magnitude and rate of transfer of tidal motion.
I propose that the ocean tides may be magnetic in nature.


I might agree with you here in some nature but not entirely. there are other forms of magnetism in the ocean besides magnetism's.

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This is also a plausible explaination for the discrepancy in
gravitational-tidal theory, when applied to massive fresh-water lakes, as they do not experience tides, though the gravitational-tidal theory indicates that they "should".


the tides among the great lakes are not large enough to experience to full effect of large oceans. especially the Pacific ocean where a greater density of water exists. it is density that brings about gravity. period.


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it has not been proven one way or the other whether "gravity" is a pushing or pulling force. Most people assume that it is a pulling force, because we cannot see what might be "pushing", we only see the mass that gravity is directed towards, which leads to an assumption of  a "pulling" force.

no, it has been proven that gravity is a pulling force and or an attractive force if you have read your current physics books. don't listen to those who have no proof of what they invent.

they are laughing stocks.

it is better to stand upon the shoulders of past geniuses than it is to stand upon the shoulders of modern idiots. my quote!

Jerry 8)
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 06:56:29 AM by onthecuttingedge2010 »

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 06:57:11 AM »
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010

the moon is revolving around the earth as it should, in a million years the same face of the moon will not be the same. it revolves its face very slowly.
you must read on why it is.

examine non-polarized moons of other planets, they rotate on their axis, much like the earth does.



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the tides among the great lakes ...

The great lakes dont have tides


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no, it has been proven that gravity is a pulling force and or an attractive force ...


how so??  the experiments generally attributed to this assumption are no more "proof" one way or the other, than the pico-graviton experiment at the begining of this thread....

"attractive" force, i'll give you that,. but wether it pulls from the masses, or pushes towards them, is still up for debate. ( in my opinion)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 07:09:04 AM »
examine non-polarized moons of other planets, they rotate on their axis, much like the earth does.

do you realize , the earth's moon is the only one that is leaving its own planet?

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The great lakes dont have tides


all things are effected by gravity even in the least.

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how so??  the experiments generally attributed to this assumption are no more "proof" one way or the other, than the pico-graviton experiment at the begining of this thread....

this theory of yours is nothing but crap, no math or observation to prove it self. amongst current theory which has more data than you.

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"attractive" force, i'll give you that,. but wether it pulls from the masses, or pushes towards them, is still up for debate. ( in my opinion)

if you chose pull then you are correct if not then you are a rebellion against truth. period.

jerry 8)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 07:31:21 AM »


this theory of yours is nothing but crap, no math or observation to prove it self. amongst current theory which has more data than you.

if you chose pull then you are correct if not then you are a rebellion against truth. period.

jerry 8)

i havent stated anything about a theory of my own.

the truth of the matter is, that currently accepted theories of gravity, proposed gravitational theories, and even those accepted in the past, only prove the mass-dependent relationship of the forces involved.
 Some theories propose that the forces do not "push" OR "pull", but rather that space-time curvature causes them to move together.


They do not definitively prove the source or origin of the forces.
I'm not saying that they are wrong or right, just that it has not been proven. Which is why they are still considered "theories".

Even the laws of Newton himself, do not prove wether the forces "push", "pull", or a combination of both.





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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 02:26:54 PM »
The issue is weather or not the proposed test will prove anything.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 03:16:38 PM »
The issue is weather or not the proposed test will prove anything.

Brian334

 I believe you already Know the answer due to how this thread has gone. There are issues that need to be solved before we will be even able to truly understand your test.

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Here is my new theory. Planetary magnetism and gravity are two different things. Being similar in manner, seems to make them hard to distinguish. This is why gravity is hard to understand.
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