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Author Topic: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass  (Read 46153 times)

Offline brian334

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A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« on: June 01, 2011, 10:39:08 PM »
There are some really daum over educated people that think the mass of a object changes when the object is moving.
This is the proposed test to prove gravity has mass.
Accelerate a particle in a particle accelerator and measure the impact force of the particle in different gravitational fields.
If gravity does not have mass than the impact force of the particle will not change in different gravitational field.
But if gravity does have mass the impact force of the particle will change in different gravitational fields.

When a particle moves thru something that has mass, some of whatever the particle is moving thru is moving with the particle. When said particle makes a impact the force of the impact will be a combination of the mass and the momentum of both the particle and whatever it is moving thru.
So if gravity does not have mass than the impact force of the particle will not change in different gravitational fields. But if the impact force of the particle does change in different gravitational fields than gravity must have mass.
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« Last Edit: June 01, 2011, 11:03:47 PM by brian334 »

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 11:39:20 PM »
Dr. Ricardo Carezani's experiment (Video), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lzd86ZYf_o&feature=related

A photon has zero rest mass, but has a relativistic mass due to velocity.  Light remains stationary unless moved by mass, while space-time and mass undergoes expansion acceleration, http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?t=8058

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 12:36:21 AM »
total bullshit.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 03:08:31 AM »
@ GB

i usually respect your point of view on the subject of gravity,
but the pico-graviton experiment, may not actually demonstrate what the author is implying there....

There is an obvious alternative solution, in that the "gap" between the masses varies the attractive force of gravity eminating from the larger masses, therefore subjecting the barbell to the more-effective attractive forces of the smaller masses.

This can be demonstrated by pushing the larger masses together, removing the "gap", and the barbell will always attract towards the larger mass. 

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 03:58:56 PM »
brian334

 For gravity to have mass. Wouldn't this say that gravity is a pushing force and not a pulling force? This would also mean that space is like that of water the deeper you get the greater the pressure. This would also mean that the pressure in space is always greater around the larger the object is for there is more that pushes back from due to mass.

 Has gravity been proven to be a pull force and not a push force beyond all reasonable doubt? Accepted yes, but how about proved?

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 04:23:08 PM »
Since the tides rise as the moon becomes over head would indicate that gravity is a pulling force. also why satellites fall back to earth when their fuel runs out in orbit. the actual gravitational force is rather weak when you exclude all other forces working with it like E.M and atmospheric pressure, static charges and the lot.

gravity is a tensor force and is a 'carrier' of kinetic energy and mass.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 08:36:56 PM »
Since the tides rise as the moon becomes over head would indicate that gravity is a pulling force. also why satellites fall back to earth when their fuel runs out in orbit. the actual gravitational force is rather weak when you exclude all other forces working with it like E.M and atmospheric pressure, static charges and the lot.

gravity is a tensor force and is a 'carrier' of kinetic energy and mass.

It is wrong to suppose that tides are caused by the attraction of the Moon. What happens is the exact opposite. This can be proved by observation. Sunlight reflected from the Moon exerts a pressure on the liquid mass of the ocean. Being compressed at one point, this liquid is raised up at another. This is the explanation of the retardation of tides caused by the Moon. Astronomers would run up against the same difficulty in explaining the orbits of the planets as they did when explaining the lunar orbit, because if, in reality, the Sun did attract them, they could not conceivably have elliptical orbits. But the movement of the Sun around the magnetic center of the system makes its repulsive force stronger at times, in which case the planet moves away from it, and other times the magnetic center is closer to the planet and the planet moves towards it. The difference in the eccentricity of the orbits of the various planets is due to the volume and density of each of them. So that it is more rational to calculate the density of celestial bodies by observing their diameter and their distance at aphelion and perihelion.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 08:42:04 PM »
brian334

For gravity to have mass. Wouldn't this say that gravity is a pushing force and not a pulling force?
Alan

Yes, and the link to the pico-graviton experiment suggests gravity is a pushing force.  The pico-graviton experiment supported brian334 idea of gravity having mass, and he says it's total bullshit. LOL

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 08:43:01 PM »
total bullshit.

Total bullshit = brian334total bullshit  (Infinite bullshit loop)

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 08:51:59 PM »
@ GB

i usually respect your point of view on the subject of gravity,
but the pico-graviton experiment, may not actually demonstrate what the author is implying there....

There is an obvious alternative solution, in that the "gap" between the masses varies the attractive force of gravity eminating from the larger masses, therefore subjecting the barbell to the more-effective attractive forces of the smaller masses.

This can be demonstrated by pushing the larger masses together, removing the "gap", and the barbell will always attract towards the larger mass.

I don't subscribe to his theories, I have my own explanation, but I do find the experiment interesting, because it may suggest gravity is a pushing force, which is in-line with one of my theories on gravity.  I'll take note of your argument that the "gap" between the masses may vary the attractive force of gravity emanating from the larger mass.  That is a valid argument.  But if we removed the "gap", then the barbell may still be pushed towards the larger mass instead of being attracted or pulled by it.  Without the gap, we have no way of knowing if it's a push or pull.  With the gap, then we need rule out/in your concerns that the gap may be varying the attractive forces between the masses, before we can say it is a push or pull force.  There should be a way to devise a clever experiment which takes these issues into account, in order for us to know if it is a pull or push force.

GB
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 09:21:47 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 09:38:08 PM »
So, a black hole is a pushing system???

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2011, 10:07:28 PM »
So, a black hole is a pushing system???

No.  There is a centripetal force or pressure within the universe.  Wherever you place yourself in the universe, you will experience an equal pressure from all directions, thus you would have no movement on your own.  Only an external force can impart movement to a body.  When you place a massive body near your location, then this massive body interferes or shields you from this universal pressure in one particular direction, according to it's density and volume.  This causes a net force to be applied from the other direction which causes this universal pressure to push you towards the larger mass.  The black hole or a large mass isn't responsible for the pushing.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2011, 11:19:23 PM »
More bullshit posts that do not have anything to do with the topic.

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 12:37:40 AM »
So, a black hole is a pushing system???

onthecuttingedge2010

 If gravity is a pushing force then a black hole would be more like a sink drain to another dimension or parallel universe.


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When a particle moves thru something that has mass, some of whatever the particle is moving thru is moving with the particle. When said particle makes a impact the force of the impact will be a combination of the mass and the momentum of both the particle and whatever it is moving thru.
So if gravity does not have mass than the impact force of the particle will not change in different gravitational fields. But if the impact force of the particle does change in different gravitational fields than gravity must have mass.
brian334
6/1/2011

Brian334 

 For this test you will have to have a partial free location. So I have to ask is it even possible?

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Re: A Test to Prove Gravity Has Mass
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 02:22:59 AM »
I am sorry but I don't buy into this gravity being a pushing force. no reputable scientist would either.

 

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