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Offline Loki67671

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 12:36:14 PM »
Once again, very interesting. Condensation aligned with an electric field. This is something I have already planned to investigate. My lab will be completed this summer and we will have a go at these experiments. In the mean time I will be assembling HV supplies and gathering lab equipment. I wonder if the condensation is directly related to reaching the dew point, local to the E-field, or if something else is going on there. The results of these questions have direct bearing on my work.

The streamer makes sense to me as water molecules are polarized, as does the charge retention in a volume of water. In layman's terms it is very similar to stacking series and parallel combinations of batteries. When water is placed in an electric field, the molecules will align with field. No surprizes there. However, retention of that alignment after removing the field is indeed quite interesting after pouring the water into another container. You have my iterest. So it should then be possible to charge small volume flows of water and accumulate that in a large body of water thus obtaining large charges. It is good to see someone else working along these lines. Are you going to continue updating the website? It will be a little while beform I'm ready to execute in the lab, i.e. I have to finish the construction and I'm building it by myself.

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 12:36:14 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2006, 10:53:18 PM »
Yes! Our web site is updated almost daily, but at time when things get busy it may be a day or two. So do check it often.
The streamer is as I'm told supplying seed water to which the ambient humidity becomes attracted to and then condenses out. The dew point to our current knowledge is not being reached at the corona point, although this is very difficult to attempt to measure. Digital equipment is out, mecury thermometers arc over if you get them to close as does just about anything you bring into proximity. The temperature effect and the unexpected effects of polarity are something to look into.
I have been advised that maybe this is work not for this group as the group does not have necessary equipment to perform this work. If we are bothering the group with left field research, please advise and I will stop postings????

Offline Loki67671

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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2006, 12:29:31 PM »
I am not aware of anyone being bothered by our dialog under this topic. If this is the case I will also quit posting.

Test and lab equipment are not generally an issue, for me at least, and obviously within certain boundaries. I'm a professional test engineer first and alternative energy researcher second although I would love to have that flip flopped. My primary interests are directly related to the observations of natural energetic phenomena, the understanding of those phenomena, and their engineered reproduction with the direct intent of harnessing / harvesting energy from the ambient natural environment. Philosophically I'm driven by the ideals of Victor Shauburger and Nicola Tesla just to name two.

My interest in charged water comes from lightning observations and high power terrestrial storms. I believe I can reproduce a self sustaining storm in a controlled environment and use it for my own purposes. That is my goal and I am dedicated to that end. Electricity and water are usually a combination that gets frowned upon just as damage from storms is frowned upon. What people do not seem to realize is that it is their own ignorance and arrogance that allows them to become victims. I have my own beliefs on that subject too but that is for another time.

The combination of atmospheric cycles and hydrologic cycles appears, at least to me, to hold answers to many of mankinds energy needs/desires.

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2006, 12:29:31 PM »
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WillJ

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2006, 03:15:32 PM »
Dr. Stiffler asked me to post this resulting from a volume of email we are receiving.

1) Electrostatic Cooling is NOT new, it has been around for at least 50 years, in theory of course early on. Doing a Google search will bring up may interesting results.

2) It appears that except for Electrostatic Parcipitators, Ion Wind Air Filters and the Arc Welding along with guesses on what the government has done with it, that it has either not been followed or that the results are not being released.

3) Something very interesting is present in this area. We do not consider our findings to be in any way the so called O.U., type of response, yet in the water colloing and humidity reduction work, compared to current technology such as the compression A/C units etc., that electrostatic does it for up to a hundred times or more less power.

4) Some theories exist on what is taking place, the one we looked at closely had to do with the impact of the corona (ions) on the boundry layer (interface) with the water. This has not been verified and in fact it can only be part of the answer.

5) When water is being cooled we have noted that a cool wind moves upward from the container, similar to evaporation under force, although we can confirm that a temperature change is also observed.

6) Because of the age of some of this knowledge and the fact that a number of patents exist using electrostatics, our direction is to see why it has not gone further. If a product or method is found that is of value, we may indeed attempt to patent it. Although up to that point we will share what we are doing.

If in fact we are looking into an area that is sensitive for some reason, we do advise that if you have any interest that you print or in some way save what you feel is of interest, even the most simple of facts. We only want this understood because there is so much talk about what could happen. We therefore want what we make public to be public.

Enjoy. WillJ

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2006, 10:53:48 AM »
What is the web site, please

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2006, 01:25:18 AM »
Did they remove that topic
from their website ? at
http://www.stifflerscientific.org/
I can?t find it anymore....

WillJ

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2006, 01:55:11 AM »
The topic was pulled from Stiffler Scientific.org as the paper which was to be released in July-Aug, will be finished in July, it was not felt that a duplication of effort was worth the time. See www.stifflerscientific.com for release of the paper in July.

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2006, 01:55:11 AM »
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Offline Loki67671

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2006, 12:38:03 PM »
Self funded research and possibly a patent application or two. You can't blame these folks for running a business

WillJ

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2006, 08:11:09 PM »
You are informed and understand that the bills must be paid. You are correct we are currently in the process of patent apps on two systems, "ESHR - Electrostatic Humidity Reduction", which does not require reaching the Dew Point, compression, pumps etc., and "ESWR - Electrostatic Water Recover", yes, another water from air method.

Although we are releasing a paper in July on three (3) other potential uses of what we uncovered in the dead world of electrostatics. The paper will be complete with supporting math and many test examples and results. The paper is to be directed to research with the hope that someone will follow up and find additional advantage from the work. Dr. Stiffler and I have thought of a number of possible applications and devices, although we are not going in that direction. We may place the alternate research back on our site in the near future, anyone interested in developing electrostatic valves or pumps of considerable volume may want to keep in contact with the (.org) site, should we add this material.

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2006, 08:11:09 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2006, 08:38:09 PM »
I just spoke with Will and we looked at what we had on the site. I decided that we will place back the old info and update it with non-private info as time allows. A link will not be shown on the site, but find it at www.stifflerscientific.org/waterchg2.html  I will have info added as soon as possible, but it may not be on a daily basis. Thanks for all the interest, there is some real insight available to deep thinkers here.

gn0stik

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2006, 11:11:03 PM »
What blows me away about research like this is that water is the oldest and most fundamental of substances to man kind. No doubt the first substance used in any kind of chemistry or alchemical experimentation. And we are still finding out new useful information about it. It truly highlights how little we actually know and how ignorant we are scientifically. There are millions of more complex chemicals in nature an made by man that we have only used for their most obvious of uses and have not experimented beyond what we already know. How much more is there out there for us to discover? Volumes of information, immeasurable amounts of data to be applied to innumberable uses.


Keep up the good work Stiffler et. al.

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2006, 11:11:03 PM »
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Offline mikestocks2006

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Re: Charging Water?
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2006, 05:53:03 AM »
Speaking of Charging water and Orgone energy, this maybe of interest:

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"Another observable fact also lends support to the above theory. The outlet from the Car Cell is connected to a blind fitting or blank plug on the carburetor housing. This means that there is no opening through this fitting into the interior of the carburetor or the interior of the intake manifold. Yes, you are reading that statement correctly. There is NO physical opening between the output of the Energy Cell and the interior of the engine. Yet the cell works! Logic dictates that the gas must be passing THROUGH the metal of the carb housing to reach the interior of the engine. Since hydrogen is the lightest element of all (with only one proton), it doesn't seem too far fetched to assume that this might be occurring. Wilhelm Reich also noted that orgone is not hindered by metal barriers, but is first attracted to and then repelled by metal surfaces."
http://ringorgone.bravehost.com/
http://educate-yourself.org/fe/fejoewatercell.shtml

Some interesting videos
Joe cell, A ford F250 AWD running on water http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5918955237392650390

This one amazing to watch. Another car running on the same device. They are literally pouring water into the carburetor while the car is running on the charged cell!!  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6871958947684246583



 

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