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Offline TommeyLReed

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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2011, 05:49:41 PM »
I will be willing to prove my point, if someone sends all the data and parts....
Why should I waste money on something that won't work. This is no different then the Bedini motor idea, has anyone made his unit run to make more enegy output?

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2011, 05:50:00 PM »
@ TommyL Reed . The laws of thermodynamics were written by Lord Kelvin . You may also recall his mathematical proof the heavier than air machines would never fly . Tommy , do you believe in fairies ? There are many pro-fairy sites on the web . Why not spend your time trying to "convert " them . Why would it bother you how we spend our time . At least we are not beating up old ladies or collecting child  .

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2011, 05:52:41 PM »
TommyLReed... I guess the sun is scamming us with the crooked notion that fusion creates free energy. And also scientists from all over the world must be scamming us, saying that magnetic reconnections in Earths magnetosphere is liberating megatons of free energy derived from magnetic fields. Oh the scams.. ::)

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2011, 05:53:38 PM »
I will be willing to prove my point, if someone sends all the data and parts....
Why should I waste money on something that won't work. This is no different then the Bedini motor idea, has anyone made his unit run to make more enegy output?
Yeah, great idea!  ::) We will get right on that and take up a collection and send you all the parts and data  ::)  Great to have you on the team  ::)

Offline TommeyLReed

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2011, 05:56:57 PM »
Wih energy going though the roof, you all think this is a game. It's for real, people need answers and don't want to be scam like they have been in the past. You want me to be nice, and you all think that is a way to get real answers. Your all wrong when these claims are not the truth until everyone can get the same output of energy.
Why is it hard not see though this simple magnet wheel, lets not forget the other claims from the past you all wanted to believe in!

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Offline powercat

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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2011, 05:57:21 PM »
Lol Tommey Reed
Come on Tom it wasn't so long ago, you were on this forum claiming you had a circuit that produced free energy, and members were trying to replicate your work. ::)
maybe it's not you and your account has been hacked ???
you've done some great work over the years, please don't give up on free energy now  :o

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2011, 06:20:43 PM »
Well, now that we see you can Reed, where are your replications?  Why did you claim OU in the past on here?  If OU is impossible, why would you claim it?

I am confused.

Bill

                   Quote from: Tommey Reed on May 01, 2009, 06:40:03 PMHi Cat,
I am working on the second stage to loop the pulse generator.
This will prove OverUnity.
The  BEMF cant be loop, because of the caps need to have 12v constant  charge, when the cap drops below 12v the pwm have problems sending the  right amount of voltage to the coil.
Almost have to be regulated to work overunity, As for input of 12v power having a constant output, It does show overunity.

Tom

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2011, 07:14:22 PM »
heh maybe he too has an OU device but does not want to share it for fear of having to pay tax on his generated energy. Cause this will happen. There are a number of motives behind these types of things keep an open mind the guy still believes just as much as you and I the proof is all around him the vast universe with the massive amounts of stars where does all this energy come from a big bang ? Energy cannot be created nor destroyed remember? The alpha and omega parity heh in which case everything is energy and energy is in everything. Energy is our creator it is what we should study!

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2011, 07:34:00 PM »
Thanks for this thread, Mr. Moderator, I didn't want to mess up the original thread either. Maybe Tommey is desillusioned, as am I.

I believe Rom's device works, but the vague claims of "tuning" magnets/coils combined with an exaggerated amount of pulsing circuits posted lately in the original thread completely turns me off. Why can't it be simple?  :P

When I first wanted to replicate the device I thought I'd just need to put magnets on the backside of coils to eliminate large part of the cogging and the OU device is done. When reading on in the original thread it seems this isn't enough. I mean... it would be nice if it were, then I would just put an odd/even number of magnets to stator/rotor and would get overunity by the simple fact that the driving motor (*if* I use a motor to drive...) would consume less power than the generator coils produce, due to the magic coils on the backsides. Now I don't think this will work anyway :(

Aside from that I see a greater issue with Rom's device: which is - you won't be able to scale it dynamically. If you want to scale motors or generators they must follow some rules (e.g. thickness of coils etc.). If it follows these rules you can adjust it. With Rom's device we have no rules, neither a theory, because no one understands the principle. This might change, but probably not.

I don't know who it was, who posted something like that "a few more tests and I can confirm RomeroUK's device" a week ago - but never came up with the result. The most probable reason for no result is: his replication didn't work. Why not? I can only guess...
Mabye he tuned not "fine enough"...? Maybe the device is too sensitive and you'll never find the sticky spot. Maybe each device must be tuned individually which is most likely - and this will make any previous tuning process NIL. Even worse when trying to scale the device. Start from scratch again? Tough nut and not very viable unfortunately.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason why common generators (even if they have less efficiency) are still sold - because you can scale them. There might even be some hidden overunity generators out in the wild researched by companies themselves but maybe they suffer the same problem of non-scalability.


oh and now for a real rant: I don't get why constantly people like Bedini, Bearden, Howard Johnson are mentioned... countless people have tried to replicate Bedini with no success but "phantom overunity voltage", Howard Johnsons LTA never worked and Bearden is nothing but a chatterbox who keeps making OU claims, yet failed to provide evidence after many years. This was my own investigation. My 0.02€, Rant ended.

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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2011, 08:17:33 PM »
What worries me is the silence from http://www.mullerpower.com/ as far as concerns OU of "The Muller Mark II".

If they can not reach OU, who can? They have all the knowledge of Bill Muller himself (at least what he wrote down or told his daughter).

Of course, it could be that Romero reached OU and Bill Muller never did. But this would be really strange.

But still, I think it is worth while to try a replication. This machine is very interesting and becomes more feasible in the age of microprocessor control. Precise switching and timing seems to be very important and can be achieved nowadays.

One argument against a naive replication is the high mechanical precision a build would require. It is very important to balance the rotor (in order to allow for a very high number of revolutions per minute) and to avoid any wobble (in order to allow for a small gap between the magnets on the rotor and the stator coils).

It needs serious money to have the parts fabricated to a high standard of precision and to buy Metglas high performance cores for the many coils.

The electronics seem to be the cheapest part, even with microprocessor control.

It would be very helpful if more information came forward from http://www.mullerpower.com/. If they achieved OU, it would be justifiable to spend several thousand Euros on a replication.

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2011, 09:16:34 PM »
I wonder why someone would star this tread , it seems like some people are in conTroll mod.

I my self will to make a build from recycle materiel with a budget on 40 dollars.

Mark

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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2011, 09:20:35 PM »
First Law of Thermodynamics

* The entropy of the universe tends to a maximum.

I remember back when I used to think this way! It's been a long time. LOL! You must "pay" to live on the planet you were born on. There is no free lunch! LOL!

So how does all that dispersed energy get back into the oil, back into the wood, and back into the sun???

Back into the atom, back into the electron in orbit around the atom, back into the earth such that it never misses it's yearly cycle to the nearest 1/4 second?

How does all that dispersed energy, get into the moon, so that moon keeps on moving and regulating our tides? Lot of power being released here especially with all that water on the earth rising and dropping some 6 to 12 feet twice a day. How does all that energy get there?

If all the energy in the universe was to disperse evenly throughout the space that is present, would this not constitute an Aether medium, having energy everywhere? To be scooped up for the asking.

I would suggest that your vision is narrow to only be considering that energy is always being dispersed, and never collected. Is there no free energy collector? From all that dispersed energy that is out there now?

The term "free" has to do only with money. Energy is everywhere all the time, as you state it is not lost only cycled between dispersal and concentration.

If we have a single copper atom, and a "free" electron. Now we drop that electron on that copper atom, what happens? Does that electron go into an orbit on the surface and attain a velocity of .9999999995 light speed?

Where did that energy come from? How did it get into that electron? How come we can do this over and over, and that "energy" just keeps being present there to accelerate that electron???

How come it takes a tremendous amount of energy to pull those little atoms apart? Is this not the opposite of entropy? It takes an atom bomb to stop those electrons protons and neutrons from doing that little dance of constant energy recovery.

Bang that electron with an external magnetic field and what does it do? It recovers its orbital structure the moment the impulse is gone. Where in the world did it get that recovery energy? How does it pay for that?




 



 





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Re: Arguments against Muller design
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2011, 09:27:07 PM »
I wonder why someone would star this tread , it seems like some people are in conTroll mod.

I my self will to make a build from recycle materiel with a budget on 40 dollars.

Mark

@Mark: part of the OU forum is gossip, why not?

It is nice to be able to build something from recycle material. My worry is: If the rather expensively built http://www.mullerpower.com/ "The Muller Mark II" is not OU, how can a contraption be OU?

But that does not mean one should not try. One can build a rather crude steam engine or a simple conventional electric motor and both will demonstrate the underlying principle nicely. If OU exists, it should in principle be feasible with crude means. But if sophisticated means fail, the crude means will fail as well (if they are both based on the same principle).

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2011, 09:28:10 PM »
Muller did not claim his machine is overunity, he told he believes self run day will come. As well as Bedini said honestly his device is not OU, just Battery Desulphator. There are just some third party, presumably bulk of interested persons, one who is getting back invested funds , others see just easy way to hornswoggle simple simons.
About these coils and magnets  ::) there is no way to explain anything ... fanatic folks come at once to call names :o
I do not disapprove when some unenlightened wiseacre impersonates crackerjack, just funny.
I like and respect every kind of experiments included such kind buildings, what I do not like is lie, lying brings sooner or later to fake, fake is I hate. 
I have my personal opinion about current story and about the cadre. Perhaps no lyings, just medical question. Anyway sad.
cheers,
khabe

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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2011, 04:13:40 AM »
I read a post once that the amount of cosmic radiation that strikes our earth 24/7 is enough to
light 200,000 hundred watt light bulbs for every man, woman, and child on the earth.
Also read that because of its extreme high frequencey; most of that energy passes right through the earth
and keeps on going.  So there is plenty of free energy all around us, we just need to find a way of taping into it. 

Also wanted to remind anyone reading this post that; all studies being conducted on high energy particles,
is conducted in particle beam accelerators.  These accelerators use high power magnetic pulses to control a
stream of particles and accelerate them around a track an faster and faster speeds, and then they
use magnetic fields to redirect these high energy particles into test chambers were they collide with each other
and other matter.  When these collisions take place there are billions of electron volts released by the collision. 

I mention these facts to remind people that the best possible way to extract free energy from the cosmos is
probably going to be with the use of strong magnetic fields arranged in a certain fashion. 
So I believe unquestionably that one day, someone will discover the right combination of magnetic fields that is
required to focus and extract some of that massive energy out there. 
So I will always have an open mind when it comes to claims of over unity from a magnetic device.

Just my 2 cents worth. Also please visit my science page and read my theory of how a star works:
http://abbarue.com/science/


 

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