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JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #510 on: June 28, 2011, 05:48:12 PM »
  I've been reading the Muller/RomeroUK thread, trying to keep up.  Good discussion.  Bolt and a few others continue to assert that an OU device ALREADY exists, even though the OU.com prize remains unclaimed. 

  I'd appreciate comments on the assertion.  Do you think it is true that Konehead (Doug K) or Bedini or Stiffler or Muller company  (or someone else )  has ALREADY a working device?  PlasmERG?  Magnacoaster?

If so, what is needed now?  Better testing / verification?  Publishing the results?  Patents?  Or building devices around the world?  Are we to that point yet?? 

Your comments would be appreciated...  I guess I'm new to so much of the research in this area.
 I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed, not much actually published (in scientific journals) if anything...

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #511 on: June 28, 2011, 06:37:42 PM »
I've seen and talked with people for around 20 years on this including meeting konehead in person many years ago as well as some other inventors.  And some people I've met just by chance who new of someone who had been running an OU device quietly.  I have no doubt some of the big news devices hailed as being OU which then seem to fade into the woodwork have either been paid by certain interests to hold off production or threatened or any number of other things that happen.  Somewhere around here is a document detailing a couple hundred different devices that for many of those reasons and others are not yet available to the public.  Murders, threats, bought out and shelved, legal troubles that suddenly show up, gone into hiding and a myriad of other reasons are what you see.  Some of course are outright scams.   That is why I think it's almost as important to have a plan in place before finding OU as to how you can get it out into the world.  It's a difficult but I believe not impossible problem.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #512 on: June 28, 2011, 07:50:31 PM »
  I've been reading the Muller/RomeroUK thread, trying to keep up.  Good discussion.  Bolt and a few others continue to assert that an OU device ALREADY exists, even though the OU.com prize remains unclaimed. 

  I'd appreciate comments on the assertion.  Do you think it is true that Konehead (Doug K) or Bedini or Stiffler or Muller company  (or someone else )  has ALREADY a working device?  PlasmERG?  Magnacoaster?

If so, what is needed now?  Better testing / verification?  Publishing the results?  Patents?  Or building devices around the world?  Are we to that point yet?? 

Your comments would be appreciated...  I guess I'm new to so much of the research in this area.
 I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed, not much actually published (in scientific journals) if anything...

As far as just existence of an OU device, if it is actually possible, then it would seem the
breadth of work by numerous folks would have produced one and probably more than once.

But as stated by others above, this does not make such a device visible nor necessarily accessible
to the world, for various and sundry reasons, such as holding back details for possible commercial
development, quite a reasonable decision.

Back when I was becoming interested in OU, the Sweet VTA had recently been demonstrated
to Bearden and others, for instance.  Their feedback was that it was for real.  But, even if so,
there was apparently serendipity at work making it hard to replicate and also some details were
kept quiet.  Since then Mr. Sweet has left this world and his knowledge with him.

I personally like JL Naudin's S2Gen as a potential OU candidate, though JL is not clearly claiming
it as such, as I wrote in an earlier reply.

Best,  Jim
« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 10:22:27 PM by JimU »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #513 on: June 28, 2011, 08:40:00 PM »
@Jouleseeker . You ask does an OU device already exist . I personally believe that it does . I believe the Plasmerg engine is real . Heat pumps are obviously real . I would expect it likely that the Military of many nations are using OU machines . What about the 10, 000 patents seized by the American government . You are a learned man in your chosen field , but like the rest of us , there are perhaps things you need to learn about Psychology and Politics . If the Plasmerg engine hits the market place , it will necessitate a complete change in the way we live our lives . An end to pollution , starvation and poverty . But also a change for the Ivy League fat cats . The first sign of change will be Rossi`s Ecat . Mankind may be destined for a Golden Age , but first , a terrible amount of blood will be shed .

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #514 on: June 28, 2011, 11:58:50 PM »
This subject is interesting: Are there OU devices?

I really hope so. It would make the life of humanity much easier and it would be very interesting to see - new developments in physics.

There seems to be a lot of anecdotal evidence of the existence of extraordinary devices, from many countries, for many decades...

But... There is something bothering me a lot! I have a really hard time believing that for over 100 years, so many people have constructed OU devices but there is always a strange reason for it not becoming available, for not being commercially exploited. It defies statistics. I just don't buy the conspiracy theories. Maybe in the US the government is always conspiring in the shadows and sends MIB. But not in the rest of the world where there are also many allegations of OU devices.

So, why aren't those OU devices developed in the 70s, 80s and 90s producing GWh of free energy right now? Why aren't the inventors rich? I don't know and that bothers me.

Jaime.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #515 on: June 29, 2011, 12:25:30 AM »
98% of OU claims are false. That being said most everyone falls for at least one false claim and gets burned.
Those who persist begin to narrow the search finding commonality among reputable theorists.
If you want to do this right takes a real disciplined study and historical savy of this field along with a humble attitude
about would be scientist that were discredited, ridiculed and murdered. In between this endeavor is relaxation.

Humility to open your mind to people who may not be educated but may have a small piece of the puzzle.
In doing so whole souled may require unbuttoning your shirt and watching Joseph Newman spin
500 pound magnet preaching unorthodox magnetic theory, force your mind not to form any opinion other than it is interesting.
I enjoy your work it takes creativity who knows what part of the puzzle it may someday solve.
An exercise in not forming opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55RN1Pbh93w
step two unbutton the shirt this will convince businessmen with basic knowledge of golf carts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg4_c7InHrI

Everyone has their own way when it comes to exploring uncharted waters.
Are there OU devices, most definitely.
Are there men in black. yes
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 01:26:30 AM by dimbulb »

JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #516 on: June 29, 2011, 02:13:51 AM »
Thanks for the comments; I resonate especially with dimbulb here:

98% of OU claims are false.  [snip]
Humility to open your mind to people who may not be educated but may have a small piece of the puzzle.
...
I enjoy your work it takes creativity who knows what part of the puzzle it may someday solve.
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg4_c7InHrI

Everyone has their own way when it comes to exploring uncharted waters.
Are there OU devices, most definitely.
Are there men in black. yes


  There were interesting corroborative statistics presented -- I recall, but don't know where, this forum is so huge -- in essence said:
   A rich fellow decided to use his money and expertise to explore OU claims.  He visited over 100 "inventors".  Of these:
1.  Half were bogus, but the inventors did not know it -- poor measurement methods etc.
Many of these would not believe him when he showed them wrong...

2.  A large percentage were bogus, scams.

3. TWO actually were OU, by his testing.  He tried to help the inventors get their devices out for use.  One fellow wanted an enormous amount of money UP FRONT from a European royal -- the deal fell through.

  Did any one else see this posting?  I think it was on the Romero/Muller thread... if you find it, pls let me know... I'd like to get the story straight. 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #517 on: June 29, 2011, 02:22:45 AM »
  I found it!  I must say, Nul-Pts always provides intriguing posts, and I found this in a posting of his in May.  (I used "prince" to find it in my search, I recalled that word):

Nul-points post, and if you care to comment further NP, I'm all ears!!
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Here is a small snippet from an email I received a few weeks ago. I have edited out the names. I thought this was very telling.

I know a man xxxxxxxx He made it big in the xxxxx business. He sold out to some international conglomerate and is set for life. As part of his humanitarian contribution to the world he decided to search for a true free energy technology and do what it takes to finance it and develop it into something workable, hoping to do an end run around the MIB.
He doesn’t do all his work on the Internet.

For the last two years he has traveled to the prospective inventors with about $50,000 in Tektronix energy analyzers and other support equipment (including the FET probes). When I talked to him last, about 4 months ago at xxx here in xxxx, he said he had personally interview 118 individuals in 10 different countries. He said:

4% are outright Fraud (I thought that number was low)
48% have instrumentation errors and 80% of those are with current analysis – especially pulsed current.
48% are delusional about their accomplishments and the manner in which they evaluate their results

It’s those last 48% that clog up the forums and discussion groups. You can show them with the latest equipment that their setup is only running at 70% efficiency and they will continue to think they have made a breakthrough and want you to provide them a research grant and buy stock in their company.

 So far he has found two legitimate OU devices one that operated at the 1 watt power level and another at 1000 watts. He attempted to get the second one together with a prince in Europe that was ready to finance a manufacturing effort, but the inventor wanted 60 million Euros up front. So far the people with the working inventions are impossible to do business with. No wonder so many inventors go to the grave with their secret. This is the same problem that Stan myers had.

Thanks again, NP, my good man!  very interesting statistics, and sounds about right to me.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #519 on: June 29, 2011, 06:57:53 AM »
energy calculation for 2 uA Joule thief:

10,000 uF capacitor
start voltage = 1.358
end voltage = 0.599
time = 84 minutes = 84 * 60 seconds = 5040 sec.

Joules = 0.5*C*(V1^2 - V2^2) = 0.5*10000e-6*(1.358^2 - 0.599^2) = 0.0074

watts = Joules / seconds = 0.0074 / 5040 =  1.468 uW

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #520 on: June 29, 2011, 08:58:58 AM »
P.P.S: When tuning the circuit we tested today at Per-Johan´s place, I saw, that it works like a Joule Ringer circuit.
Changing the Base current pot just changes the frequency of the Spikes and the waveforms looks very simular to the waveforms of a JouleRinger.

The 3rd coil on the core is the easiest way to get rid of the different DC level problems when you want to feedback the output to the input.

Regards, Stefan.


@Stefan: I like Per-Johan's idea (the third coil on the toroid). May be Per-Johan is willing to provide more details of his circuit (value of capacitor and resistor at the base of the transistor, which transistor, number of wire turns on the toroid).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #521 on: June 29, 2011, 09:07:10 AM »
2 uA Joule thief. Video at >>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9HQkDnIuU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

@xee2: may be one can combine Per-Johan's idea (third coil on the toroid with full bridge rectifier) and your low power JT circuit in order to feed back power to the 10.000µF capacitor? This should reduce the power consumption even more.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #522 on: June 29, 2011, 01:01:29 PM »
 
  I found it!  I must say, Nul-Pts always provides intriguing posts, and I found this in a posting of his in May
[...]
Nul-points post, and if you care to comment further NP, I'm all ears!!
[...]


thanks for the kind words as always, Steven...

i'll just bask in those words a little longer - before having to point out that your quote about OU statistics must have been posted by someone** other than me!  :)
[EDIT:  ** it was by toranarod]

here is my contribution to the list of reported OU development, hopefully with a reasonably mainstream emphasis:-

rauen
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rauen_Environmental_Heat_Engine

sheenan
http://paradigmcontent.s3.amazonaws.com/paradigm%20magazine%20article.pdf

dragone
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3842.0;attach=52700

turtur
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/turtur1e.pdf

kanarev
http://pesn.com/2010/10/13/9501712_Kanarev_announces_self-running_motor-generator/

rossi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer


these are just a sample, or review, of some of the work which these people have been doing

thanks
np


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #523 on: June 29, 2011, 01:27:39 PM »
 
energy calculation for 2 uA Joule thief:

10,000 uF capacitor
start voltage = 1.358
end voltage = 0.599
time = 84 minutes = 84 * 60 seconds = 5040 sec.

Joules = 0.5*C*(V1^2 - V2^2) = 0.5*10000e-6*(1.358^2 - 0.599^2) = 0.0074

watts = Joules / seconds = 0.0074 / 5040 =  1.468 uW

hi Xee2

this result based on a start voltage of 1.3V and an end voltage of 0.6V, along with the previous test runs we did from 1.5V (?) to 1.1V, really highlights how the power consumption falls with supply voltage

you can see that your initial continuous DC Power in at 1.36V & 2mA is 2.72uW, yet your overall average is 1.47uW

obviously the lower the end voltage, the lower the average DC power value that we'll measure for a particular test

hence Steven's guideline of a voltage range between 2.55V and 1.5V  for reference purposes (also, using 1000uF caps, for direct time comparisons, of course)

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #524 on: June 29, 2011, 01:42:44 PM »
 
@Stefan: I like Per-Johan's idea (the third coil on the toroid). May be Per-Johan is willing to provide more details of his circuit (value of capacitor and resistor at the base of the transistor, which transistor, number of wire turns on the toroid).

Greetings, Conrad

hi Conrad

the tertiary winding approach looks good, but my experiences with it (posted earlier in this thread, post #163, 3rd Jun'11) suggest that it's main benefit is in decoupling the pulse o/p from the DC biasing necessary for the oscillator
(see first schematic below)

the most 'efficient' config i've been able to achieve has been to use a different approach to Looping and DC Decoupling and remove the tertiary winding altogether
(see second schematic below)

utilising both +ve & -ve o/p pulses also gave an increase in input current draw, so having a FWBR on the o/p (with the additional loss in forward voltage drops of 2 diodes, rather than a half-wave rectifier) doesn't appear to be a good way to go (in this circuit)

hope this helps
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