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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 914412 times)

e2matrix

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #465 on: June 24, 2011, 09:20:22 PM »
A Non-Disclosure and Proprietary Rights Agreement signed in part by any reputable institution is currently all that is required. Private individuals are not included as it is impossible to determine who they are and what interests they represent.

Doc,  you do know who Jouleseeker is don't you?  BYU physics professor retired IIRC and somewhere here is his web page at BYU.  I'll just say I believe Jouleseeker has nothing but good intentions here for the world as a whole.  I recall he has donated hundreds of devices to third world people so as to help them have ability to cook and have clean water (fuzzy on the details but it's something close to that). 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #466 on: June 24, 2011, 09:35:11 PM »
  Makes some sense, yes.  Does the individual at a reputable institution sign, is that sufficient, or does a representative of the institution need to sign also?

  I'm very interested in seeing that developments such as yours reach the people, as opposed to enriching the elitists/big corporations.  Is that your approach also?  or do you seek to sell to a corporation?

  To me, this is an over-riding consideration.
My Barristers are stern on this point and it all is about responsibility if breached, so no, alumni will not do it, has to be the University.

I have already lost one circuit to another country with no recourse due to the 'Public Domain' aspect of postings. Although I am not holding out for a sale to a major corporation or confiscation under national security, I fully believe the general public can not replicate in kind a device that would benefit them in any meaningful way. You should be aware at your current stage of what is called 'Creative License', where, whatever I have in parts should work just as well in my design as yours????? Over the years less than 10% of followers of my work would do it as I specified (in Toto). The ones that did had replications and the ones that did not failed only to bash me and my circuits. The most predominate of those individuals exist on this forum and are either COINTELPRO or total idiots. Anyway back to the requirements, I am walking a thin line as you will if you find the key to you so called OU. To obtain my data and the third party results will require the request from an institution that has resource to go after if they violate the terms of the agreement.

Oh, the PRA does indeed include a non-compete clause.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #467 on: June 24, 2011, 09:48:06 PM »
Doc,  you do know who Jouleseeker is don't you?  BYU physics professor retired IIRC and somewhere here is his web page at BYU.  I'll just say I believe Jouleseeker has nothing but good intentions here for the world as a whole.  I recall he has donated hundreds of devices to third world people so as to help them have ability to cook and have clean water (fuzzy on the details but it's something close to that).

Of course I do, so what?

Does a title or a long history of anything insure you are correct in everything you do?

I think Dr. Jones would be the first to admit that if he has or will obtain what he is looking for that he indeed must renounce much of his past understanding as regards (conventional Physics) unless as is the natural course, just develop an overlay like Quantum or String Theory has done as the underlying layers could not supply the answers.  Of course we have those that would mold something into convention so as not to rock the boat.

I have the 'Utmost Respect' for Dr. Jones and his background, albeit to say I have a far more comprehensive background in this particular area. Do I, or have I ever obtain respect, NO! and I do not need it, my circuits and speak for themselves regardless of what the pundits and so called 'Alternative News' say.

So flat out I do Respect Dr. Jones, but does that mean what he is doing or what he has is insured to be a gift to humanity, no...

totoalas

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #468 on: June 24, 2011, 10:52:47 PM »
  Hello, totoalas -- nice device, lighting LOTs of LEDs! 
You wrote:  "12 v 1m A Simply the Best"

Most of the devices in the running here are below 12uW, whereas yours is at 12mW...  but if you could scale this down (perhaps by adding resistance to the base resistor), it would be interesting to see!   also, could you provide a schematic drawing for this circuit? 
In any case, thanks -- I like the work you have done.

Thanks  Jouleseeker  / Dr, Stiffler   / Dr Jones / Groundloop/Lidmotor / Gbluer :Slayer}and  Jonny   and Xee2  and all

Thought this is for fun  so hope it stays that way
Practical application  for a self loop  circuit will undoubtly  be the most appropriate

Below is the circuit
http://www.energeticforum.com/134003-post1616.html
Modified  circuit   description
http://www.energeticforum.com/134611-post1634.html
Test method for Verification by Groundloop
http://www.energeticforum.com/134705-post1639.html

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #469 on: June 24, 2011, 11:00:10 PM »
My Barristers are stern on this point and it all is about responsibility if breached, so no, alumni will not do it, has to be the University.

I have already lost one circuit to another country with no recourse due to the 'Public Domain' aspect of postings. Although I am not holding out for a sale to a major corporation or confiscation under national security, I fully believe the general public can not replicate in kind a device that would benefit them in any meaningful way. You should be aware at your current stage of what is called 'Creative License', where, whatever I have in parts should work just as well in my design as yours????? Over the years less than 10% of followers of my work would do it as I specified (in Toto). The ones that did had replications and the ones that did not failed only to bash me and my circuits. The most predominate of those individuals exist on this forum and are either COINTELPRO or total idiots. Anyway back to the requirements, I am walking a thin line as you will if you find the key to you so called OU. To obtain my data and the third party results will require the request from an institution that has resource to go after if they violate the terms of the agreement.

Oh, the PRA does indeed include a non-compete clause.

Very interesting -- and thank you for your frankness, Dr. Stiffler.
And thanks, e2matrix.  My website can be found by googling " Dr BYU "

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Dr. Jones has given several hundreds of the aluminized-mylar Solar Funnel Cookers to families in developing countries in Haiti, Bolivia, Kenya, Turkey and Ecuador, with the most recent solar-cookers given to folks in Mali (2006, see photo below) and Mozambique (2007).  More will go to help refugees who have fled from Iraq and/or Kenya.
(Most folks call me Steve, please.)

   I'm not likely to get BYU to sign an NDA to look at your device, Dr. Stiffler.   And I'm personally going open-source with all my alt-energy work now, including the solar cooker/cooler I developed.   I would avoid signing a non-disclosure agreement because it might restrict me from talking about my own research in alt-energy.  I've already turned down getting information on one "magnetic generator" because of they insisted that I sign an NDA first -- and they didn't even have a working prototype.  No thanks, I told them.  An NDA appears to me inconsistent with open-source development of energy for humankind.
 
Frankly, I'm glad I accepted early retirement so that I can invent without having to worry about "my institution" claiming "intellectual property" for anything I might come up with.

I'm not competing with you or with anyone -- well, BigOyl might consider OUR work as competitive... but my goals are to empower the people WITHOUT getting stomped on or bought out by the elitist corporations.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #470 on: June 24, 2011, 11:04:11 PM »
Here are some great stuff   by bluer based on Dr. Stifflers   NILS  circuit
happy experimenting
totoalas

http://www.energeticforum.com/134192-post1622.html

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #471 on: June 24, 2011, 11:07:06 PM »
Thanks  Jouleseeker  / Dr, Stiffler   / Dr Jones / Groundloop/Lidmotor / Gbluer :Slayer}and  Jonny   and Xee2  and all

Thought this is for fun  so hope it stays that way
Practical application  for a self loop  circuit will undoubtly  be the most appropriate

Below is the circuit
http://www.energeticforum.com/134003-post1616.html
Modified  circuit   description
http://www.energeticforum.com/134611-post1634.html
Test method for Verification by Groundloop
http://www.energeticforum.com/134705-post1639.html

Thanks, totoalas -- I wish to look at your work in more detail, and I wish to sincerely congratulate you and Dr. Stiffler and others for years of research in alternate energy.  I consider that we're in this together. 
And yes, it should be fun as you say, totoalas.

Today, working with the circuit design, I have it working without the 2Mohm resistor at all, not needed even for start-up.  Now that's fun!
Basically the attached circuit, without the 2Mohm resistor (totally removed).

Laneal -- can you start with this circuit by Xee2 and tell me how you would get it to "self-charge"?    Thx.
PS -- my DUT (measured with 2Mohm in place) stays lit for about 18 minutes after the battery (2.6V) is removed.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #472 on: June 25, 2011, 12:21:16 AM »
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you do know who Jouleseeker is don't you?
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i think we can all see who JouleSeeker is - he's obviously someone who gives a damn about other people

no idea who Stiffler is though
 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #473 on: June 25, 2011, 01:56:16 AM »

i think we can all see who JouleSeeker is - he's obviously someone who gives a damn about other people

no idea who Stiffler is though

Whoa -- thank you for the vote of confidence, NP but I'd go easy on Dr Stiffler, who I think is on top of some very good research.  I think your last sentence was meant as humor  -- I've certainly heard of his work a long time ago.
  I've seen communities/forums torn apart by stuff, hoping that won't happen here.   
   Adding quickly -- I appreciate your research NP -- very creative!

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #474 on: June 25, 2011, 03:14:44 AM »
I am sure Ron has given much thought to this.
I would have bought the sec 15 board long ago but I felt certain a new revision would happen soon.
Very good price for what you get. fixed the tuning,  much work and effort for humanity. 

now I see this latest arrangement a good combination.
nobody told Ron this is a milestone.
yes the input being so small, why is this happening.

If there is anyway Jones oscillator can use this that would be
bigger than milestone. Even if it is only a hint of what needs to happen.

We really need any help Ron can give. Those are his terms
and nobody can take what is his anyway. A careful look at
the agreement may settle the issue. BYU would have trouble
explaining all the open source software on that campus if
these type agreements were not allowed.

I am confident BYU could give a letter that would
accomplish what Ron has addressed in principal, that would be sufficient.
Anyway talking it up might arouse interest, without Steve having to go back to work.
win win is all I see with this

thankyou
« Last Edit: June 25, 2011, 05:09:26 AM by dimbulb »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #475 on: June 25, 2011, 09:41:47 AM »
--Note below by my wife, Lezlee.  All is turning out well, but a hard row.
Will be out of touch helping with daughter for a while...

Dear family and friends,
  We wanted you to know that our Becky had her baby this morning about 1:00 am.  It was a hard row.  Her waters broke three days ago and so she has been monitored, however, still at home.  This evening she reached the midwife clinic about 8:00 pm.  She was having hard labor but not making progress.  Finally, the midwife could feel clearly her little behind.  The baby  was breech.

 Becky was quickly brought to UVRMC about 11:00 pm.  She was prepped and went into surgery for a C-Section and left here about 12:45 am.   The nurse and Calvin brought Xandra by about 1:10 am so we could see her.  She is beautiful!   It was a short visit.  They were stitching up Becky so we should see her in a little while.  She will be in here for an hour before they take her to her room.  Thank you all for your support and prayers.
Love,
Lezlee



Thanks to you all.
Steve  -- tired but happy -- now the grand-daughter is here, and both are fine!

6lbs 12 ounces.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #476 on: June 25, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »
--Note below by my wife, Lezlee.  All is turning out well, but a hard row.
Will be out of touch helping with daughter for a while...

Dear family and friends,
  We wanted you to know that our Becky had her baby this morning about 1:00 am.  It was a hard row.  Her waters broke three days ago and so she has been monitored, however, still at home.  This evening she reached the midwife clinic about 8:00 pm.  She was having hard labor but not making progress.  Finally, the midwife could feel clearly her little behind.  The baby  was breech.

 Becky was quickly brought to UVRMC about 11:00 pm.  She was prepped and went into surgery for a C-Section and left here about 12:45 am.   The nurse and Calvin brought Xandra by about 1:10 am so we could see her.  She is beautiful!   It was a short visit.  They were stitching up Becky so we should see her in a little while.  She will be in here for an hour before they take her to her room.  Thank you all for your support and prayers.
Love,
Lezlee



Thanks to you all.
Steve  -- tired but happy -- now the grand-daughter is here, and both are fine!

6lbs 12 ounces.
Very happy 4u. Congratulations! How bout a pic, proud GRANDPA?


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #477 on: June 25, 2011, 10:06:04 AM »
Dr. Jones (Grandpa)

Congratulations on a successful delivery.  If it were me, I would wait at least 3 months before having her try to wind a JT circuit, ha ha.

God bless the miracle of birth.

Bill

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #478 on: June 25, 2011, 10:38:19 AM »
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Laneal -- can you start with this circuit by Xee2 and tell me how you would get it to "self-charge"?    Thx.
PS -- my DUT (measured with 2Mohm in place) stays lit for about 18 minutes after the battery (2.6V) is removed.

Steve, congratulations! Also here is how to loop xee's jt circuit.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #479 on: June 25, 2011, 10:39:36 AM »
 
[...]
  We wanted you to know that our Becky had her baby this morning about 1:00 am.
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tired but happy -- now the grand-daughter is here, and both are fine!

6lbs 12 ounces.

Steven

congratulations to you and your family!!

welcome to the Grandpa Club! - now it's a question of patience, waiting 'til you can share the wonders of science with a developing mind and help inspire a new generation  :)

of course, the waiting's not hard because in the meantime you get to rediscover those same wonders watching a new life unfold

pleased to hear that they picked up on the breech in good time

6lb 12oz - that's a good weight for a future physicist, isn't it?  ;)