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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 914383 times)

JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #435 on: June 23, 2011, 08:00:18 AM »
I don't think "they" need to back-engineer anything, they already have much better stuff on the shelf. If anything, the fact that the spooks even showed up, probably means it worked, and they needed to silence the guy who figured it out.  He seemed to be compliant by giving up the motor, so I guess deadly force wasn't needed, you know..like how some people get suicided.

You may be right, Freezer. But then why does Romero feel free to develop another roto-device, NOT a "Muller device", he emphasized in his post (yesterday, IIRC).

And will "they" try to silence others who come up with a self-running device of the Muller type?  other similar type?  interesting questions.

Does anyone know this "Baratolougus" (sp?) fellow -- seems he might know more about this "mystery"... 
I'm just curious, I guess.  But beyond that, I would like to see an OU device get out to empower people without being stomped-on or enriching the wealthy elitists...

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #436 on: June 23, 2011, 08:47:48 AM »
Tried another coil-style. Saw this in Teslas U.S. Patent 0,382,282.

Needs only one Transitor. Oscillates with 30-40 Khz on 4.5 Volt.

Unfortunately my equipment is not that professional. Got only  DSO NANO...

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #437 on: June 23, 2011, 09:49:57 AM »
Making the circuit self-charging is another way to reduce input. Attached is my LTSpice simulation of a simple self-charging JT circuit. Very straight to implement if you have already built the traditional one: same components, only different way to wire them. The diode in the circuit could be replaced with a LED.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #438 on: June 23, 2011, 10:05:41 AM »
If you only got a PNP transistor (PNP 3906, for example), the circuit below can be used. Similar modifications can be made to make it self-charging.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #439 on: June 23, 2011, 10:13:50 AM »
If you only got a PNP transistor (PNP 3906, for example), the circuit below can be used. Similar modifications can be made to make it self-charging.

What is the frequency on whcih transistor is opened ? Is that resonant frequency of C and L here or only part of L connected between baze and emitter ?

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #440 on: June 23, 2011, 10:23:25 AM »
You may be right, Freezer. But then why does Romero feel free to develop another roto-device, NOT a "Muller device", he emphasized in his post (yesterday, IIRC).

Well, he obviously has people watching him now, so if he is successful with anything else, he will probably get another visit.

And will "they" try to silence others who come up with a self-running device of the Muller type?  other similar type?  interesting questions.

You can bet the farm on that one.  They have, and will continue to do so, and they have all the legal power behind them.  "Secrecy act of 1971"  Anything they deem as a threat to national security, they can seize and take possession of, anytime.  What does nation security mean in this case, ... anything they feel like.. If you are not in the U.S., it doesn't matter, money will buy suppression in one way or another.

Does anyone know this "Baratolougus" (sp?) fellow -- seems he might know more about this "mystery"... 
I'm just curious, I guess.  But beyond that, I would like to see an OU device get out to empower people without being stomped-on or enriching the wealthy elitists...

The only way to get a invention out in the public is to precisely and clearly draw up the complete schematic, to where anyone can understand it, and release it as soon as you can across multiple boards.  After that they can't touch you because they have nothing to suppress.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #441 on: June 23, 2011, 12:08:25 PM »
What is the frequency on whcih transistor is opened ? Is that resonant frequency of C and L here or only part of L connected between baze and emitter ?

Good question. I would just say: the similar frequency condition with Professor Jones's circuit, since it is an exact mirror (NPN --> PNP) circuit.  It seems to me the frequency is a composition of two: half cycle it is the charging of the small cap via the base resistor (let the frequency be f1 Hz ), and half is the discharging of the cap through one of the two coils (let it be f2 Hz). Then the whole thing is at frequency of f = 2/(1/f1 + 1/f2).

@all: It is easy to get other JT circuits to work in self-charging mode. See below for another example.

forest

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #442 on: June 23, 2011, 12:24:13 PM »
Good question. I would just say: the similar frequency condition with Professor Jones's circuit, since it is an exact mirror (NPN --> PNP) circuit. 

@all: It is easy to get other JT circuits to work in self-charging mode. See below for another example.

Can you post your LTSpiceIV input file ? I downloaded this program and plan to learn how to operate it.

lanenal

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #443 on: June 23, 2011, 12:31:56 PM »
Can you post your LTSpiceIV input file ? I downloaded this program and plan to learn how to operate it.

OK. It is a text file, you need to change the extension to .asc after download.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #444 on: June 23, 2011, 02:31:09 PM »
Sorry folks. This LTSpiceIV simulation must be seriously flawed.I've got COP 26 from slight modification of circuit.Bizzarre....

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #445 on: June 23, 2011, 02:34:31 PM »
Sorry folks. This LTSpiceIV simulation must be seriously flawed.I've got COP 26 from slight modification of circuit.Bizzarre....

What is your mod, and how are you measuring the input and output power?

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #446 on: June 23, 2011, 03:14:20 PM »
Sorry folks. This LTSpiceIV simulation must be seriously flawed.I've got COP 26 from slight modification of circuit.Bizzarre....

Interesting. This is first time I heard somebody saying LTSpice getting OU simulation results. Could you upload your modification and tell us how did you measured cop?

JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #447 on: June 23, 2011, 03:46:05 PM »
Laneal, appreciate your input.  At the same time, please note that Xee2 and Nul-pts and Gibbs and I have previously placed the diode across C-E of the transistor. 

  Below is a circuit diagram from Xee2 (right) compared with your entry today (left).  Note the similarities.  Xee2 does add a small cap which is important.

 He and I both MEASURE around 5-6 microwatts Pinput to light the LED with the circuit on the right... does your SIM allow that?  Same question to .99.  (I am using the cap/time method, L~120 uF.)
Thanks.

PS -- Nul-pts mod is running at around 2 uW, and IIRC Gibbs' at about 5uW.

@forest -- welcome.  I'm trying to understand your sketch, but it looks similar to the bifilar-wound coils in use in devices here.
ps -- false alarm on the grand-child delivery... but we know she will come out!
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 04:35:47 PM by JouleSeeker »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #448 on: June 23, 2011, 04:00:44 PM »
Laneal, appreciate your input.  At the same time, please note that Xee2 and Nul-pts and Gibbs have previously suggested placing the diode across C-E of the transistor. 

  Below is a circuit diagram from Xee2 (right) compared with your entry today (left).  Note the similarities.  Xee2 does add a small cap which is important.

 He and I both MEASURE around 5-6 microwatts Pinput to light the LED... does your SIM allow that?  (I am using the cap/time method.)
Thanks.

ps -- false alarm on the grand-child delivery... but we know she will come out!

Professor, you have got the wrong guy -- the one you compared with Xee's is the traditional JT without looping -- and it is the other in the same post that will loop the device. I used the same understanding to introduce looping into the circuit you have brought our attention to.

P.S.: that's not a false alarm, it is a rehearsal.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #449 on: June 23, 2011, 04:07:56 PM »
Interesting. This is first time I heard somebody saying LTSpice getting OU simulation results. Could you upload your modification and tell us how did you measured cop?

He he Sorry, it hast to be me first time playing with this simulation program. Check your self. What if we step input voltage ? Is there any way to avoid placing high voltage across battery ?