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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 701932 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #180 on: June 04, 2011, 12:50:59 PM »
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 So just to confirm, move the diode in Circuit V5 in Reply #174 to the other side of C3? So the Cap is not affected by the diode?
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Yes,  that is what I thought as a good step but my brain did not work fully last night and did not consider that a forward biased diode (from battery 4V) just conducts continuously and is a few Ohm resistance...  so any small AC coming from the circuit towards the battery will pass unrectified...
sorry for this.
So a series diode even in the negative rail would not catch the AC either...
a different approach like nul-points series coils put in the rails may be a step in the good direction, the series coils increase inner impedance of the battery from AC point of view.  But it seems still difficult to catch the very small AC current or voltage amplitudes...

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #181 on: June 05, 2011, 02:26:16 AM »
Yes,  that is what I thought as a good step but my brain did not work fully last night and did not consider that a forward biased diode (from battery 4V) just conducts continuously and is a few Ohm resistance...  so any small AC coming from the circuit towards the battery will pass unrectified...
sorry for this.
So a series diode even in the negative rail would not catch the AC either...
a different approach like nul-points series coils put in the rails may be a step in the good direction, the series coils increase inner impedance of the battery from AC point of view.  But it seems still difficult to catch the very small AC current or voltage amplitudes...

Gyula

Hi Gyula, and All,

Yes you are right. Early tests show a huge increase in output by simply winding and wiring the coil like a Tesla Series Connected BiFilar Coil.

Voltage goes way up.

4 Volts / 9 Turns = 0.4 reoccurring. This is the voltage between each winding on a single filar coil.

In our case, whats the Math for this?

2 Squared / 0.4 Squared = 4 / 0.16 = 25 times more efficent..... Interestingly a Tri-Filar Coil only makes it 9 times more efficent.

All the best

  Chris

« Last Edit: June 05, 2011, 02:53:13 AM by hyiq »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #182 on: June 05, 2011, 03:20:48 AM »
Hi All,

This is the best Circuit to date. I will get some measurements through soon. But this is considerably better than my last results. Nikola Tesla's Bi-Filar coil makes a huge difference to the output. See last post.

All the Best

  Chris

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #182 on: June 05, 2011, 03:20:48 AM »
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #183 on: June 05, 2011, 05:56:24 AM »

This is the best Circuit to date.


Good research. Do you think the way you wound the coil is better than just doubling the number of turns on L2?


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #184 on: June 05, 2011, 06:30:31 AM »
[...]
Early tests show a huge increase in output by simply winding and wiring the coil like a Tesla Series Connected BiFilar Coil.

Voltage goes way up.
[...]
  Chris

interesting to have confirmation of this, Chris - i wind my coils like this,also

unidirectional wind per layer, with next layer interleaved in same direction -  a part turn to get back to start each time

then repeat for each/any next two 'layers' - etc

thanks
np


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #185 on: June 05, 2011, 07:25:15 AM »
Good research. Do you think the way you wound the coil is better than just doubling the number of turns on L2?

Hi Xee2,

Thanks. I am still trying to get conclusive measurements. The measurements I am getting bounce around from - to +. Very hard to get the right measurements.

I seem to be getting much more oscillations also.

The output does seem much more, but my frequency is much less because of the extra turns/inductance. If anyone can replicate and see if they get better results maybe.

I am fairly sure the big increase is because of the way I have wound and wired the coils. Same as Tesla Patent.

All the best

  Chris

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #186 on: June 05, 2011, 07:28:24 AM »
interesting to have confirmation of this, Chris - i wind my coils like this,also

unidirectional wind per layer, with next layer interleaved in same direction -  a part turn to get back to start each time

then repeat for each/any next two 'layers' - etc

thanks
np


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Hi Nul-Points,

Yes, this seems to be a better way. I will refine my Circuit/Coil and try to update soon.

All the best

  Chris


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #186 on: June 05, 2011, 07:28:24 AM »
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #187 on: June 05, 2011, 08:09:23 AM »
Hi All,

After a fair bit of mucking around the result is : "Just Under Unity"

Thats if my measurements are now correct. The Bi-Filar Coil creates a bunch of oscillations and the readings on the scope are fluctating all over the place. The Load LED was a fair bit brighter but the input has gone up a bit also. This circuit with the Bi-Filar Coil is not as good as the previous circuit if my current measurements are correct. 98 - 99 %

Sorry for the false alarm on this one. Back to the V4 Circuit.

All the best

  Chris

P.S. If someone, maybe with a better scope than me can check this though. Just in case I have made a measurement error.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #188 on: June 06, 2011, 12:36:09 AM »

Hi All,

Re-Checking my last measurements, because I was not satisfied they were correct, does show an Over Unity Measurement this morning.

Input : 102.4 milli watts
Output : 182.6 milli watts

This is with the Bi-Filar Coil. It is interesting that this Circuit, with the Bi-Filar Coil is so much harder to measure. The oscillations are quite large and I believe there may have been a Capacitance from Ground (Earth on my scope (Now using my power cord with no Earth Pin)) that may have been causing run off oscillations.

Interested to see others results also still.

So far the result is still better on the other Circuit, V4. Which is still surprising because the output seems much more for only a small increase on the Input. This could have something to do with the self inductance between the windings. The big difference here being the Series Connected Bi-Filar Power Coil vs the Single Filar Power Coils.

Well, interested to hear your thoughts on these results.

All the best

  Chris


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #189 on: June 06, 2011, 12:46:44 AM »

Input : 102.4 milli watts
Output : 182.6 milli watts


Wow. Over unity. Congratulations.


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #190 on: June 06, 2011, 12:52:44 AM »
@ hyiq

You might try moving the rectifying diode to the other side of the output capacitor. The way it is the capacitor can loose charge through VR2 back to the battery.

EDIT - Flipping it when moved.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #191 on: June 06, 2011, 01:16:40 AM »
Wow. Over unity. Congratulations.

Hi Xee2,

19 x is the best I have measured. This was on circuit V3 and V4.

My Measurements are inline with Dr Jones results less 1. Dr Jones got 20x.

All the best

  Chris

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #192 on: June 06, 2011, 01:20:50 AM »
@ hyiq

You might try moving the rectifying diode to the other side of the output capacitor. The way it is the capacitor can loose charge through VR2 back to the battery.

EDIT - Flipping it when moved.

Hi Xee2,

I will do this and come back to you asap.

thanks.

All the best

  Chris

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #193 on: June 06, 2011, 02:12:46 AM »


Hi All,

I have noticed that when I measure the output, in Circuit V5, the LED light does dim some what, up to about 60% or so. So the last measurements I was getting, although OU, are still not correct even though I still believe this is OU. The Bi-Filar Coil has introduced a whole new set of problems.

I have tried my scope with both Earth pin connected and not connected. it helps to get a measurement with no Earth Pin connected but either way the output is reduced no matter what as soon as I connect the scope to the circuit's output.

Any Ideas?

@ Xee2 - I tried the diode on the other side like you suggested. Marginal change to the output. Will keep testing though.

All the best

  Chris

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #194 on: June 06, 2011, 02:16:38 AM »

Hi All,

I have noticed that when I measure the output, in Circuit V5, the LED light does dim some what, up to about 60% or so. So the last measurements I was getting, although OU, are still not correct even though I still believe this is OU. The Bi-Filar Coil has introduced a whole new set of problems.

I have tried my scope with both Earth pin connected and not connected. it helps to get a measurement with no Earth Pin connected but either way the output is reduced no matter what as soon as I connect the scope to the circuit's output.

Any Ideas?

@ Xee2 - I tried the diode on the other side like you suggested. Marginal change to the output. Will keep testing though.

All the best

  Chris

Great work.  Remember that the original JTs were bifilar so I am not too surprised at your measuring difficulties as many of us have been through this.  I have never claimed OU for any of my JT circuits but, I have always thought that there was something there so I wish you, and Dr. Jones the best in proving this out.  This is great stuff.

Bill

 

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