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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 742852 times)

Offline kooler

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #315 on: June 17, 2011, 07:49:19 AM »
(I would like to encourage replications (and learning), and so I'm proposing a small "contest" -- to see who can reach the lowest Pin for any JT-type circuit.  (See, e.g., attached)    Pin to be measured by this method, cap + stopwatch for Pin.  LED present, visibly glowing.
Incentive (wish I were richer; this is just to make it fun; I just found $100 tonight I didn't know I had!):  Lowest Pin in one month -- on July 17th,  will receive $100 minus ($microwatts/10). 
THus, my entry today would be $100 - 170/10 = $83.


Just for fun -- and learning!
hey,hey
paypal??
100$ nice
what voltage you want me to use.. with that 0.17 watts..
any jt type circuit or can i use a two transistor circuit..
12.7 seconds on a 1000uf cap.. rgr that..
i don't have to put all those resistors in there do i.. like ur circuit..
can i use more than one led..

let me know buddy..
robbie


psss.. money talks.. haha

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Offline Tudi

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #316 on: June 17, 2011, 01:07:44 PM »
does that include antena type energy captation by some components ? can i use like really long wire ? :D

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #317 on: June 17, 2011, 02:02:59 PM »
My money is on Kooler or possibly Gadgetmall for this prize.

This is a nice idea for this contest, thank you for putting it out there.

Bill

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #317 on: June 17, 2011, 02:02:59 PM »
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Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #318 on: June 17, 2011, 02:33:35 PM »
Thanks, Bill:
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"My money is on Kooler or possibly Gadgetmall for this prize.

This is a nice idea for this contest, thank you for putting it out there.

Bill"


You raise a valid caveat, Tudi: 
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does that include antena type energy captation by some components ? can i use like really long wire ? :D
    OK, I see what you're saying -- and no, this prize would not be for pick-up from the electrical grid or from radio signals.  No poaching off the system (which after all is poaching off of us with bank bail-outs, etc)...  And that "prosaic source of power" may be a little tricky to exclude, but a Faraday-cage test would do it, or operation a long ways up in the mountains (around here), or in a deep cave...


hey,hey
paypal??
100$ nice
what voltage you want me to use.. with that 0.17 watts..
any jt type circuit or can i use a two transistor circuit..
12.7 seconds on a 1000uf cap.. rgr that..
i don't have to put all those resistors in there do i.. like ur circuit..
can i use more than one led..

let me know buddy..
robbie


psss.. money talks.. haha

  Glad money talks, Kooler, ;) ... to get us going and add a little spice to life.
 
More than one LED and/or transistor is fine; eliminate or add resistors and caps as you wish, and other components. Test at no lower than 2.0 volts on average -- note that my example was a test from 2.55V down to 1.5V, so average just over 2 V.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #319 on: June 17, 2011, 04:52:13 PM »

... I'm proposing a small "contest" -- to see who can reach the lowest Pin for any JT-type circuit.  ... LED present, visibly glowing.


This is a circuit I posted some time ago. It is not OU. Input power can be reduced even more by increasing R and C values, but LED will get dimer. I am sure kooler has some circuits with even lower input power.

 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2011, 05:45:46 PM »
Xee2:

Ah, sorry, I forgot your circuits in my previous post.  My money is on you as well.

Bill

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2011, 05:59:15 PM »
This is a circuit I posted some time ago. It is not OU. Input power can be reduced even more by increasing R and C values, but LED will get dimer. I am sure kooler has some circuits with even lower input power.

How did you measure the current (A), Xee2?  Looks like this is running about about 150 uW, right?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Offline NickZ

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #322 on: June 17, 2011, 05:59:43 PM »
 
   Guys
  Yes, Kooler had BwJT circuits running for months, very bright, (not barely visible), so that gives me hope that we can replicate that same effect.   
  So far, I can only get these circuits to light a single led for a day or two and the battery dies, and does not keep the same voltage as when the test started.  If you turn the trim pots resistance up, the battery last longer, but at the cost of what we are trying to develop, a USABLE low draw lighting device.   Dim leds... are boring...
   Even the Doc has not mentioned how long his best working or longest lasting device lasts, when connected to a single AA. Only that his regular Jt only lasted 12 hours.  Is this because there has nothing to tell???  Only did an overnight test, one time, that showed the same battery voltage???  What about all the other days and nights. He and others has been working on this project for months, or years, in Koolers case. But he had something to show...  bright led lights, and a perpetual device, until the non rechargeable battery leaked, and he tore them down to recycle the parts again.
 
   
   

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #323 on: June 17, 2011, 06:04:55 PM »
Nick:

Even the really basic bifilar JT on a ferrite toroid with a 2n3904 transistor will run for over a month with a regular output led.  That is 24/7 running very bright.  The device I made for my Mom was nothing special and used a 5mm led.  also, mostly on that one I used "dead" batteries and they lasted about 1 month before I had to replace it.  I am sure a new lithium would go a long way.  And, as I said, this circuit was nothing special at all...very basic.  Were you using real ferrite on yours?  Of high permeability?

Bill

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #324 on: June 17, 2011, 07:05:12 PM »

How did you measure the current (A), Xee2?  Looks like this is running about about 150 uW, right?


Measured with RadioShack 22-812 multi-meter. Watts = amps x volts = (1.0 volt) x (0.01 mA) = 10 uW approximately

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #325 on: June 18, 2011, 12:32:09 AM »
i guess the fair winner will be a DC to 15-24 Hz pulse generator circuit peak 1.2 v with minimal R to barely light up the diode ? I guess with a bit math a simple circuit could be designed.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #326 on: June 18, 2011, 02:02:59 AM »
   Bill:
   Yes, you've mentioned that before.  But, who else has a device that runs while lighting 3 leds for 5 months on a button cell battery?  Not even those using the best 15.000 perm cores can beat that. 
  Kooler was not using ferrite, he is using a 3.8 inch crappy yellow iron powder cores on one of them, you can see the yellow color right through the windings.  5 months Bill... so, if it works with the low perm cores, then it's not the just the core.
  I only have access to mostly pc power supply toroids.  But Kooler has made it work even just using inductors.  He's probably laughing...
   If it weren't for him, I'd have given up already.   Thanks Kooler...
  and thank you Bill.  I'll keep trying... 
  The picture below is of my best lighting unit, (a Kooler replication), uses a tiny ferrite core, and does not use iron powder core, like his.
 
                                 

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #327 on: June 18, 2011, 03:23:26 AM »
Nick, as I said, I'm more interested right now in getting the input power down to the lowest value possible -- with a reliable and repeatable capacitor/stop-watch measurement.    Hence the monetary prize incentive.  Yes, I think this will turn up several interesting circuits that will run for a LONG time, and perhaps we'll learn something along the way.

Measured with RadioShack 22-812 multi-meter. Watts = amps x volts = (1.0 volt) x (0.01 mA) = 10 uW approximately

OK -- now, so that we can compare using the SAME METHOD for consistency, please use the cap/time method to evaluate Pinput:

Here are the straightforward equations:
Ecap = 1/2 C V**2
so
Pinput = 1/2 C (Vstart**2 - Vstop**2)/time


My best result (to date):   using a 1000 uF cap for input energy, Cap dropped  from 2.55V to 1.5 V in 12.7seconds --  so
Pinput = 1/2 10mF (2.55**2 - 1.5**2)/12.7s

= 0.17 mW = 170 uW.


Easy. Repeatable by most anyone.

@Xee2 and @NickZ -- can you see how long it takes for a capacitor to go from about 2.5 to 1.5V while powering your device? Then we can calculate Pin from above equation, and we can make a direct comparison. 

I believe this is an accurate and reliable way to measure Pinput, all you need is a DVM and a stop-watch.  Click "stop" when the DVM over the Cap reaches 1.50 volts.  I measure twice usually, and values come out very close (then take an average).

I would really like to see what Pinput is drawn by Lasersaber's JouleRinger device,
especially if he could put the output on just one LED. 

The idea is to measure input Power by an easy, repeatable method --  so we can make direct comparisons of Power usage for various circuits.


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #328 on: June 18, 2011, 03:32:00 AM »
Proffesor,

If I missed this, I apologize;

What is the stated criteria for the meaning of "powering the circuit"?

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #329 on: June 18, 2011, 03:35:59 AM »
OK, I saw that you stated the following:

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...which circuit can draw the LEAST POWER INPUT and still light an LED with reasonable visibility.

Is that in reference to the start or end of the run?

Super-brights!  :o

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