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### Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 851579 times)

#### Bruce_TPU

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #195 on: June 06, 2011, 02:53:38 AM »
Hi hyiq,

Version 3 and version 4, show aprox 19 times COP.  My suggestion would be to go back to them, and instead of trying to increase the COP even more, to use the output to drive say 3 more identical circuits.  Now, you have amplified the COP to 60.

Now for the sake of some fun math, think of the following...  You have COP of 19 and you run the output into 10 identical circuits, as their input, and now you have amplified the COP to 190 times, the output over the input.

And then, anywhere along the line, you tap in, loop it and make it self run.  Then, to scale it up, you shrink it down.  All of the components, except for the toroid are made into a chip.  These can then be added, as many as needed for the power needed.

In the meantime, the good professor and others can begin to figure out the source of the excess power.  Just saying it "comes from the ambient" is simply a way of saying, "we have no idea from where the access is coming from." IMHO  Is it coming from standing waves, harmonics, intermodulation, from?  IF the circuit is truly putting out more output then input, then all of the above is doable.  I for one know that there is an untapped ocean of power via geometric progression harmonics linked to the resonance of the cavity between the ionesphere and the earth, known as the Shumanns resonance.  It would also be interesting to compare the toroid diameter, to a wavelength, and look with a spectrum analyzer at the harmonics being produced.

There has to be a mechanism for gain, in play.  So identifying it, and scaling up as suggested should be the priority, in my humble opinion.

Cheers,

Bruce

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #196 on: June 06, 2011, 03:40:20 AM »
Great work.  Remember that the original JTs were bifilar so I am not too surprised at your measuring difficulties as many of us have been through this.  I have never claimed OU for any of my JT circuits but, I have always thought that there was something there so I wish you, and Dr. Jones the best in proving this out.  This is great stuff.

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks! I can fairly consistantly measure OU on this circuit. It does not mean it is OU though. I am trying to prove either way. This is an interesting Circuit.

@All - I have fixed the scope Probe draning he output problem, I put another diode in place where I had it before as well as the one Xee2 suggested. It has made a difference. Still getting OU Measurements.

All the best

Chris

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #197 on: June 06, 2011, 03:45:09 AM »
Hi hyiq,

Version 3 and version 4, show aprox 19 times COP.  My suggestion would be to go back to them, and instead of trying to increase the COP even more, to use the output to drive say 3 more identical circuits.  Now, you have amplified the COP to 60.

Now for the sake of some fun math, think of the following...  You have COP of 19 and you run the output into 10 identical circuits, as their input, and now you have amplified the COP to 190 times, the output over the input.

And then, anywhere along the line, you tap in, loop it and make it self run.  Then, to scale it up, you shrink it down.  All of the components, except for the toroid are made into a chip.  These can then be added, as many as needed for the power needed.

In the meantime, the good professor and others can begin to figure out the source of the excess power.  Just saying it "comes from the ambient" is simply a way of saying, "we have no idea from where the access is coming from." IMHO  Is it coming from standing waves, harmonics, intermodulation, from?  IF the circuit is truly putting out more output then input, then all of the above is doable.  I for one know that there is an untapped ocean of power via geometric progression harmonics linked to the resonance of the cavity between the ionesphere and the earth, known as the Shumanns resonance.  It would also be interesting to compare the toroid diameter, to a wavelength, and look with a spectrum analyzer at the harmonics being produced.

There has to be a mechanism for gain, in play.  So identifying it, and scaling up as suggested should be the priority, in my humble opinion.

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

Exactly Right! I agree. This latest experiment does give a few small clues. EG: Self Inductance may be playing a role and so on.

I do plan to back track for a bit. I just dont want to pass this over to easy just in case there is something I am missing.

I will come back with some more data soon.

Is anyone else replicating? Would like to see some results other then mine? Just to confirm my measurements are not spirious.

All the best

Chris

#### nul-points

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #198 on: June 06, 2011, 04:39:47 AM »

Steven & all

my apologies - i obviously had my brain in 'Park' last Friday!

the value for 'n' in my looped inverted sj1 circuit should be 1.62

(81uW In; 131uW Out)

i was obviously feeling greedy that day and tried to 'sneak' the DC Power Input in with the value for the total energy converted

Chris
this correction brings the 'n' for my system more in line with the results for your bi-filar system showing 'n' =  182 / 102= 1.78

thanks
np

http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

« Last Edit: June 06, 2011, 07:30:56 AM by nul-points »

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #199 on: June 06, 2011, 07:06:29 AM »
Hi Nul-Points,

Thanks for the update. I was starting to think I was going mad.

Its good to know this is something others are seeing. Before I go back to the single power coil I am going to try one more wind on my toroid. Instead of Tri-Filar, one filar for the feed back oscillator and two filars hooked in series like in the Tesla Patent, I am going to wind Bi-Filar power coil on 0.75 of the Toroid and a single coil on the other 0.25 part.

I will report results asap. If this fails then back to the last circuit.

All the best and thanks for reporting results!

Chris

#### JouleSeeker

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #200 on: June 06, 2011, 07:11:49 AM »

Steven & all
[snip]
this correction brings the 'n' for my system more in line with the results for your bi-filar system showing 'n' =  182 / 102= 1.78
thanks
np

http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

Chris:
Quote
@All - I have fixed the scope Probe draning he output problem, I put another diode in place where I had it before as well as the one Xee2 suggested. It has made a difference. Still getting OU Measurements.

Thank you so much for replications -- GREAT work!  very encouraging, although I realize much work remains to be done.

I'm here in Calif at a conference, where I have broached the topic of "new energy devices" with colleagues.  The research was surprisingly well-received.   Consensus is that we will need to:
1.  get the device to self-run
2.  do experiments to find out where the energy is coming from.

I'd like to contribute as much as I can to these critical steps.  Nul-pts and Chris, there have been variations to the basic circuit, which is great -- but would you re-post your "best" version please?  by Wed pm when I will finally get back to my home lab would be GREAT.  My plan is to replicate your latest versions, with your permission, and then proceed with steps 1 and 2 above, after I re-check the Pin and Pout with the Tek 3032...  I'll use a cap for Pin and measure Pin that way also, as a check.

I would appreciate some further discussion on point 2:   do experiments to find out where the energy is coming from.

A faraday cage will be an obvious start; having a self-running device would make such tests much easier.

I also have a few ideas to add... later, as I'm at a hotel again.  Surrounded right now by colleagues, discussing the problems at Fukushima (sp?) Japan with the leaking reactors -- and the oil spill in the Caribbean.  GREAT support for this energy research!

#### nul-points

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #201 on: June 06, 2011, 07:14:26 AM »
Hi Nul-Points,

Thanks for the update
[...]
I am going to try one more wind on my toroid. Instead of Tri-Filar, one filar for the feed back oscillator and two filars hooked in series like in the Tesla Patent
[...]
Chris

i guess it's a bit more evidence for Steven - i'm not sure if my DVM data is as representative/accurate as your scope data, though

i'm interested to hear how your new wind performs

i'm going to try for another view on the relative i/p to o/p energy - coming up...

thanks
np

http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

« Last Edit: June 06, 2011, 08:04:51 AM by nul-points »

#### nul-points

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #202 on: June 06, 2011, 07:28:39 AM »

Steven

i've 'unlooped' my inverted SJ1 circuit to try a  'cell-->circuit-->cell' setup

i believe that NiMHs are only about 50% efficient at storing i/p charge energy, so an approx.  value of 'n' = 2 would be required to maintain the charge in this new setup when swapping the two cells between test runs

with my updated value of 'n' = 1.6, we wouldn't expect to maintain charge

anyway, i've started monitoring terminal voltage trend data for the two cells to get another view of the performance for this system

member 'Tudi' has suggested connecting two SJ1 circuits 'back to back' to try for a self-running system

its looking to me like that test is going to be necessary to give a definitive answer to whether these values of 'n' > 1 can translate into clearly 'visible' improvement of performance

hope your trip has gone well

[EDIT:  apologies, Steven, our posts just crossed!  glad your conference is going well!  will be happy to help with more info where i can  - also, please feel free to use anything here of mine which proves useful

i'm using an inverted variant of your circuit at the moment for historical reasons (initially wanted to harvest coil-collapse current back into supply with just the original bi-filar windings) but  tertiary winding now decouples o/p current sense from driving circuit, so the loop-back & charging tests can be applied to your original configuration with an NPN transistor]

thanks
np

http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

« Last Edit: June 06, 2011, 08:03:28 AM by nul-points »

#### Tudi

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #203 on: June 06, 2011, 10:14:56 AM »
@nul-points : the idea about having 3 circuits and not 2 is that in case it operates only in a specific volt/amp range, then you can divide the output of C1 to C2 and C3, then you can sum the output of C2 and C3 to see if it indeed scales.
It is possible that if you chain only 2 circuits in series, output of C2 will be the "same" as C1 ( In case there is a specific range this circuit will function. There is always a physical limit for physical devices )
+ Someone mentioned the output is inverted input. Chaining 2 circuits should eliminate the need of a rectifier.

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #204 on: June 06, 2011, 11:45:57 AM »

Hi All,

Steven, I agree. The most important thing is to get it to self run. Its different Measureing OU and actually having a machine that can self run and provide output power. In my opinion its important to find the best improvements to increase the output so we can step this up a knotch.

Where this power is comming from? I already have an idea but do not yet wish to discuss on the forums.

Nul-Points - Excellent work! I like your Circuit diagrams. Nice and clear.

I have some time on my hands for the next few hours now so will try a few more things out. I need to get some more parts, more high F Toriods and so on.

All the best

Chris

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #205 on: June 06, 2011, 02:27:23 PM »

Hi All,

I did not wind the Bi-Filar with a seperate single filar. But, I did wind another Bi-Filar and tested that.

N = 37

Nice result so far. I also started going through parts to see if I have exactly the same parts to build two circuits to try self looping. I hope tommorrow I will have two circuits running and then try to self loop.

All the best

Chris

#### Bruce_TPU

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #206 on: June 06, 2011, 04:06:34 PM »
Hi All,

I did not wind the Bi-Filar with a seperate single filar. But, I did wind another Bi-Filar and tested that.

N = 37

Nice result so far. I also started going through parts to see if I have exactly the same parts to build two circuits to try self looping. I hope tommorrow I will have two circuits running and then try to self loop.

All the best

Chris

Hi Chris,

So your new winding nearly doubled the output?  A drawing of your bifilar when you have some time, as well as size wire, inductance, etc.  Very impressive results to say the least.  Was that the only thing that you changed from your version 4?

Cheers,

Bruce

#### dimbulb

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #207 on: June 06, 2011, 08:07:58 PM »
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#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #208 on: June 07, 2011, 12:37:28 AM »
Hi Chris,

So your new winding nearly doubled the output?  A drawing of your bifilar when you have some time, as well as size wire, inductance, etc.  Very impressive results to say the least.  Was that the only thing that you changed from your version 4?

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi All, Hi Bruce,

Input = 4.612 mw
Output = 168.32 mw

[EDIT : Wire Gauge is 0.8mm, 9 turns Bi-Filar, Ferrite toroid is 29mm long, 18.5mm OD, and 10mm ID]

Its a little messy but here it is.

All the Best

Chris
« Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 01:03:23 AM by hyiq »

#### hyiq

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##### Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #209 on: June 07, 2011, 12:53:41 AM »

Hi All,

There is a voltage drop accross R3. Here is the updated figure for the input: 5.537 mw

All the best

Chris